LRT Jabodebek - is it any better one year later?

[@eddy671]

you are very honest, you will speak what you see..you don't hide it..i like it

[@virtual30]

I love your channel! HONEST and TRANSPARANT! Is what we need! Keep going with the report!

[@spekterum]

The difference between Japanese management and Javanese management. Even though just the letter V.

[@vrimps]

the blaming is crazy bro😭🙏

[@Javasurfer1970]

Very beautiful and clean trains and stations. Good they changed the cushions. Better maintained than in Berlin.

[@virtual30]

I prefer BERLIN metro than this! TOO SLOW and TOO LOW

[@H12-k3u]

what do you expect, that's the first one indonesia completely built themselves, only room for improvement, i hope

[@MuhammadakbarAK47]

@@H12-k3u he have Colonial mindset. He think native made trains or car were so bad so they should have given up early on . And must remain dependent on technology & Product from the West.

[@MuhammadakbarAK47]

@@H12-k3uhe have coronial mindset . he think native made trains or car were so bad so they should have given up early on . And must remain dependent on technology & Product from the West.

[@cobain165]

​@@MuhammadakbarAK47.. kalau mau maju harus siap menerima kritik...jangan baper......😂

[@MuhammadakbarAK47]

@@cobain165 no for the dutch

[@virtual30]

They hate CRITICS! It's in their genes!

[@ThatDruidDude]

Only rode it a few times. But as a person who was a regular KRL user, I can feel the significantly slower speed of the LRT. WHat do you think of the speed ? is it a normal LRT operating speed comparable to same system on other cities you've visited ?

[@johanstravel]

The LRT is slower indeed, even with large distances in between some stations. Any curve is taken much slower than average, which absolutely not the case on light rail in Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok for example. (to keep it in the region). I guess that's caused by the design fault of some of the long span bridges being too narrow, so that problem will never be fixed. Also, KRL trains pull up and stop much better than these LRT trains it seems. Maybe that's because they have a driver?

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

​@@johanstravelWhat do you want here? Do you want to keep Indonesia trapped and not develop and have to continue using western technology?

[@MuhammadakbarAK47]

​@@johanstravelSee China copying Japan and Germany's high-speed trains. Only 3 years in 2011 and already an accident . And hundreds died But that doesn't stop the Chinese government from developing technology instead of buying trains from Japan. Until the end they beat Japan in train technology both in terms of comfort and safety.

[@ThatDruidDude]

​@@johanstravel There is a similar problem with the narrow section in Canada's LRT made by Alstrom. They still cant fix the issue for years now. I dont think driver-less is an issue for LRT, KRL probably just have better brakes for the much heavier system. And this LRT is new so they probably need to operate conscientiously while evaluating and can update the autonomous sytem in the future.

[@audeanroderick8019]

⁠​⁠@@johanstravelmy personal opinion about the speed is because of the length of the train relative to the curvy and tight tracks. Compared to lrt jabodebek, Lrt jakarta is much shorter and use jacobs bogie (together with it’s short length makes curve handling a piece of cake). As for the errors, i observe that it is much more common in cawang to jatimulya section of the tracks. I use the cibubur line 4 times a week (still trying to transition from my car) and have never experienced any trouble with the train journey these past few months.

[@darthazua]

It seems like the ridership still low even after 1 year launched in the high density zone in metro Jakarta. The train doesn't look well maintained. I mean the interior looks dirty especially the sits, quite bad for 1 year old train. Thanks for sharing video about train in Southeast Asia. I'm looking forward you new video maybe from other countries like Philippines, Cambodia, Malaysia.

[@johanstravel]

The number of passengers is still increasing rapidly if we look at the first three quarters of 2024 (below). Ridership on weekdays is about twice as much as during weekdays/holidays. I think the numbers are pretty decent, also taking into account trains operate about 2 hours shorter than commuterline trains. Q1 2024 3.841.552 ~ 42.200/day Q2 2024 4.844.096 ~ 53.200/day Q3 2024 5.968.184 ~ 65.500/day

[@adibudi1]

When the time this video was taken/recorded? I am wondering if anything has changed since then.

[@johanstravel]

Just a few days before publication, this is the follow up on the video I made one year earlier.

[@mentau1905]

is it me or when both of the LRT lines branch of from cawang, theres is a really noticable change in station spacing? I feel like putting stations 3-5kms apart while still in dense jakarta and dense bekasi city is just missing big opportunity to increase ridership.. cant blame the system itself since the planners built it next to a highway

[@afl6786]

Ya digoogle maps pun begitu

[@johanstravel]

The distances between stations don't make sense at all indeed. Between Cawang and Ciliwung it's a few hundred meters, but others are several kilometers apart. This is due to the fact that the construction company for this LRT is also a land bank. They built stations where they own land so they can develop TOD later. Not the worst idea, but they should have been demanded to build stations elsewhere as well. I hope there will be infill-stations added now the system is getting just below 100k passengers a day (and growing).

[@mentau1905]

@@johanstravel 👍👍Something ive definetly noticed on KRL and LRT KAI lines.. lack of infill stations in high-desnity areas.. im 100% sure a handfull of infill stations will be built since KAI regularly caters to demand by private developers/local pop./pemda.. there should be 3 new stations on rangkas line and 1 new station on red line

[@georgievalexander4747]

Is the connection to MRT station efficient and easy?

[@johanstravel]

The connection is there, but it's not convenient, although entirely walkable by pedestrian paths now. From LRT Dukuh Atas you can exit to the right, taking the skywalk over the canal, tap in at Sudirman station, tap out again a minute later (1 rupiah fare only) and then walk along the Kendal Tunnel to enter Dukuh Atas MRT station. Given this, the tunnel alone used to be a permanent traffic jam years ago, so there has been much improvement already. Most likely more to come in coming years.

[@ramlyabdrahim5002]

Train built by local. Don't expect too much.

[@Lilboy-q9s]

The chair should be replaced with plastic...so it doesn't get dirty easily.

[@johanstravel]

The fabric seat covers are being replaced with fake leather (?) ones. It will take some time, but I'm sure they will all be replaced soon.

[@afl6786]

Bro satu ini sangat berjuang biar transportasi umum di Indonesia bs maju Ya baru maju 10 tahun terakhir,not much expected I have and idea, buslane for jakarta urban tollroad like in seoul?

[@FBAagent]

g lebih demen sih trem2 gitu di jalan2 atau lajur2 busway. naik trem itu enak ngak kaya naik bis. nyaman. kalo trem bukan bis, mungkin pengguna mobil yang penyebab macet bisa mau naik transportasi umum

[@johanstravel]

Urban toll is the worst you can build tbh. That's never a solution and can see that by a number of cities that have since removed large highways in their city cores. Even some in the USA are talking about doing something about those freeways cutting up cities. More lightrail is needed, it's relatively quick to built and above ground so no danger to other traffic.

[@mariasaad198]

They should have not put cushions for the seats, not practical for maintenance.

[@daviano_R.T.]

From what i hear, Jatimulya TOD still waiting for investment, the railway operator didn't want to start the project yet because the funding still not completely secure yet, that's why it transformed into mini park with parking area for the moment.

[@johanstravel]

That's what I understood as well. it's not that the govt owned construction companies have loads of cash money waiting to be spent on new projects like this, so hopefully it will be developed in the years to come.

[@daviano_R.T.]

@@johanstravel although they are multiple TOD development now constructed rapidly, mainly on Bogor line such as Pondok Cina Station, as for LRT they are multiple new high rise apartments being build near many station on Dukuh atas - Jatimulya line, although they are not part of the TOD program, but they are the results of the LRT line and now many pedestrian project are being proposed to connect those area to the LRT station to make up the delay of TOD development because is actually pretty near to the LRT station and it just need redevelopment and it also pressure the city to redevelop the area 2-3 km radius from the train station.

[@zazhalibahrom9682]

Poorly maintained. The sits were dirty

[@Lilboy-q9s]

Malaysians can only insult, while in their country there are many things that need to be corrected.

[@johanstravel]

I think it's not the maintenance, but the choice of materials in the first place. I'm sure the seats in KRL are also dirty, but because of the fabric patterns, doesn't really show, like everywhere in the world though. haha.

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

​@@johanstravelBecause the KRL is imported from Japan

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

​@@johanstravelWhat do you want here? Do you want to keep Indonesia trapped and not develop and have to continue using western technology?

[@datutanang3769]

why didn't u compare this transport mode with US or UK (existing) ? especially cleanliness and security

[@boodeehaha1751]

Saya org indonesia. Buat apa membandingkan dengan US atau UK? Kalau mereka kotor dan tidak aman, bukan berarti logikal kalau MRT dan LRT kita standarnya cuma lebih baik bukan lebih maksimal. Kebersihan dan pemeliharaan transportasi umum itu sudah seharusnya menjadi standard moral dan hakiki, pemerintah dan juga pengguna. Biarkan US atau UK tidak terjaga. Tidak perlu membandingkan dgn yg negative, tapi bandingkan dengan yg positive seperti Jepang atau Singapura. Soal tempat duduk, memang tidak tepat menggunakan kursi seperti ini dengan banyaknya debu dan polusinya jakarta. Seharusnya menggunakan plastik atau fiberglass biar pemeliharaan lebih mudah dan tidak cepat kotor.

[@datutanang3769]

@@boodeehaha1751 sy ga akan komentar kek gini kalo yg me-review orang Jepang atau Singapura seperti yg anda bilang bang. Sudah beberapa kali sy nonton, rata2 KZbinr/traveler UK dengan pongahnya dengan air muka atau bahasa tubuhnya merasa seperti lebih superior, mereka lebih dahulu melakukan .... ya tidak semuanya begitu sih ... beberapa saja. yaaa itu bebas sih suka2 dia hahahaahaha btw sy ga tahu kebangsaan WN vloger/channel ini

[@boodeehaha1751]

@@datutanang3769 Itulah Vlogger...WN manapun hampir semuanya akan membandingkan dengan idealisme sendiri karena lebih gampang beropini, walaupun dinegara sendiri belum layak atau sempurna. Kita orang Asia, yg mengutamakan krama, tidak mau lancang dlm mengkritik dan egois. Sikap pongah orang Eropa bisa ditiru dengan percaya diri terhadap keunggulan Indonesia. Mudah2an pembangunan yg lebih baik terus berlanjut sehingga keunggulan kita lebih banyak lagi...mulai dari kita sendiri tidak mendewa-dewakan ...PD kita harus lebih besar dari mereka dengan bukti nyata

[@clankclutchy]

@@datutanang3769 lo gampang ketrigger aja orangnya. Dengan logika yang sama, Itu sama aja kaya vlogger indonesia kritik kebersihan makanan atau slum orang india. Yg mana beberapa masyarakat kita 11:12 soal kebersihan makanan dan lingkungan mirip dengan beberapa tempat di india. Jadi itu youtuber indo yg review india mereka mesti jadi orang jepang dlu buat ngevlog soal india?😂😂😂 Oiya, soal sifat mayoritas orang kita yang anti kritik juga 11:12 sama kaya orang india. 🙏

[@MuhammadMuslih-eb6zw]

Selamat mencoba pelayanan kereta api di Indonesia ❤

[@keangwooichoo6138]

The network there is bad. I guess people prefer the buses.

[@ervsoulfull]

Really?

[@keangwooichoo6138]

@@ervsoulfull even locals said that.

[@johanstravel]

the rail based network is inadequate for sure, but hopefully the NS line extension of the MRT and later the EW line will solve part of that. Also, more new lines needed. Absolutely. I also use buses regularly as that network is pretty good nowadays, even if only using TransJakarta and not the smaller ones.

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

​@@johanstravelWhy do you criticize developing countries when you want to develop your own technology? You want Africa to stay behind and import cars and trains from the Netherlands/Germany ? With reason this free market. But when developing countries beat your technology (Chinese cars and solar panel ) You put tariffs in place to prevent other countries from become rich.

[@prayogade]

Pakai Traksi CAF jelek banget, masih bagusan Bombardier atau CRRC

[@prayogade]

Beruntung pengadaan Commuterline pakai Toyodenki

[@aimanfadhil9052]

just 12 stations???are u kidding me?🤣🤣

[@johanstravel]

There is a grand total of 18 stations, but some of them are on the line that splits at Cawang going to Cibubur. That makes the average km distance per station much worse though. But I'm still confident with the growth of demand, there will be infill stations added later.

[@audeanroderick8019]

@@johanstraveladding infill station wont be easy. The structure of the tracks relies on both side walls for main structural support (thus making it impossible to remove without changing the structure of the tracks completely). Any infill station will have ramps like halim station (which is an infill station). I hope when building the 2nd phase to bogor they change the structural design (to be like lrt jakarta for example) to allow better infill stations, they also plan to have super wide station distance in that section 😂.

[@AlfarrisiMuammar]

Why always the Dutch. Want to brag about the bike that entered the canal?

[@MuhammadakbarAK47]

Colonial mindset 101: "we know better"

[@mentau1905]

elaborate on colonial mindset? what do you mean?

[@MuhammadakbarAK47]

@@mentau1905 The native made trains or car were so bad so they should have given up early on . And must remain dependent on technology & Product from the West.

[@mrizaldi7199]

jangan gitu bro dia kasih kritik supaya LRT bisa semakin lebih baik. LRT kita kan emang bermasalah juga desain rel nya karena terlalu lengkung lintasan nya makanya jalan nya lebih lambat

[@mentau1905]

@@MuhammadakbarAK47nguaranggg…. klw emang jelek kenapa? Buktinya dengan di kritik2 terus akhirnya PT KAI bisa membenahi,,, the difference is he’s white so you decide to bring up race and history..

[@MuhammadakbarAK47]

@@mentau1905 dia ingin kita tetap beli teknologi dari jepang ( MRT Jakarta) , Korea Selatan ( LRT jakarta) , kereta cepat (cina) & bus dari Jerman , tank dari Jerman , pesawat dari Perancis. Biar Negara kita miskin terus . Coba aja besok LRT bandung , LRT Surabaya & LRT Denpasar. Dibangun ada yang bermasalah bukan ya dikritik yang baik , tapi dihina biar kita beli buatan asing terus.

[@juanmiguel-557]

People here are busy in fighting in the name of religion. Development is a matter of later for them. 😂🤣😝

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

What do you want here? Do you want to keep Indonesia trapped and not develop and have to continue using western technology?

[@johanstravel]

You clearly haven't watched the video. Don't worry, you don't have to but I'll let you know that you make a fool out of yourself right now. 🥰

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

@@johanstravel Why do you criticize developing countries when you want to develop your own technology? You want Africa to stay behind and import cars and trains from the Netherlands/Germany ? With reason this free market. But when developing countries beat your technology (Chinese cars and solar panel ) You put tariffs in place to prevent other countries from developing.

[@wirawanc83]

​@@IndustrisasiIndonesia why this human is so sensitive? You should keep critisizing to improve. But typical Indonesian (government) they always want to hear positive news. Damn stupid

[@D-wings]

Kenapa yang komen kebanyakan orang indonesia coba sekali kali orang luarnegri

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

Why do you criticize developing countries when you want to develop your own technology? You want Africa to stay behind and import cars and trains from the Netherlands/Germany ? With reason this free market. But when developing countries beat your technology (Chinese cars and solar panel ) You put tariffs in place to prevent other countries from developing.

[@paktam4108]

2 km mau ke mana dong ...

[@virtual30]

TOO slow and the trains are TOO low in heights!

[@IndustrisasiIndonesia]

Why do you criticize developing countries when you want to develop your own technology? You want Africa to stay behind and import cars and trains from the Netherlands/Germany ? With reason this free market. But when developing countries beat your technology (Chinese cars and solar panel ) You put tariffs in place to prevent other countries from become rich.

[@johanstravel]

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've never talked about Africa, haven't even been there all my life. I think you're reacting under the wrong video mate. 🤷