Finally! MAJOR M+ Changes in Patch 11.1

[@Maximo-Maximus]

Why does it feel like the tenth time that "WE FINALLY HAVE CHANGES THAT WILL SAVE M+!!!!!!"

[@MattG5050]

lol these changes are good but nowhere near enough. And I don't think I ever heard anyone ask for pacing of combat to be slowed down. People enjoy pulling large packs and blowing them up. This change is kinda dumb.

[@gflexgaming]

Personally I'd like to see them have a "free agents" list you can put yourself in for keys "_ - _". So I dont have to sit and refresh for highish keys all day.

[@alexisonbike3652]

I refuse to play content on a timer period. As long as they don't remove this people will not find m+ fun. I like the difficulty scaling, but please let us play at our own pace

[@gflexgaming]

@@alexisonbike3652 people waiting for lust every pull seems insanely stupid

[@VicenteRaiol]

​@MattG5050 that's exactly what we asked for. Less shit to interrupt. 😂

[@istealthlgaming1859]

After healing through s1 my faith is not restored until i feel it for myself. Blizz lost my trust

[@bruynevoker]

I agree!

[@zpokie123]

I dont rly dont know what your complaining about. This season is the best on in a few expansions. Yes the meta is a bit narrow but under +12 you can play anything and the gameplay and mechanics are good. You should need to use cds for every hit to counter them.

[@lancejohnson3278]

If you’ve played enough you know these are the announcements we need. Casts and busters are killing healers and tanks and ruining the game.

[@istealthlgaming1859]

@ this season is widely regarded as being terrible for m+ idk what rock you’ve been living under

[@mogasstation4549]

This is the first time I have honestly hated tanking. I always feel like I am weak and I am getting crushed by everything.

[@briandeweerdt]

yep i opted into dps as tanking this season is not fun

[@Telados]

I hate what they did to deathstrike, it feels aweful to sit on max runic power because you need the healing some globals later

[@hideotanamachi1977]

Bro as a brewmaster player self sustain feels horrible. Everytime I press a maxed out expel harm it just feels like I farted some chi for a barely noticeable heal

[@theheebs100]

Ive legit not played WoW in a week because playing as a tank just became too unfun. I tokd myself I would take a week off and then see if it was fun again, but now I don't want to start playing again

[@Gaffy05]

This is the same team that laid out what they wanted the tank changes to accomplish and missed on every point. They have not hit the mark on any change to mythic+ in over a year why would that change now?

[@thelastspectre8141]

What are the actual changes? Are they getting rid of the depletion locked behind 2850 io or anything that affects the 7 issues you brought up? If not, is season 2 really going to feel any different?

[@kennethmalafy8012]

Blizz is too lazy to fix M+, these band aid fixes won't work, M+ needs a complete overhaul. These band aid fixes will only have a small impact. It is clear that Blizz does not want to work on the dungeons- they just increase the dmg and hp. That creates those one shots. When the key gets high enough that a normal ability becomes a one shot- blizz needs to go in and change the ability or fix it. They are not doing that and that is the problem. They are setting an equation to increase the hp and dmg with each key level and they just let it go...... Not fixable without actual work, not just playing with numbers.

[@rockurox]

couldnt agree more

[@beebeemw]

It’s scaling content, at some point stuff will one shot you no matter what. If they change that then it doesn’t get more difficult does it, then you just have never ending keys to sign up to. The whole idea was to squish it down so there wasn’t so many different keys levels and that would make it easier to get in a group. The problem is now that not as many people are playing so there’s still not many keys to sign up to. It’s a hard problem to fix with no easy solution.

[@rockurox]

@beebeemw maybe make the one shots only for the hardcore sweats who can do frame perfect decision making. Otherwise the rest of us just want to play the game.

[@Hulkaholic87]

Why fix anything new people barely play (retail) when soooo many flock to 20 year old rehashed content they can re release (classic…. Classic hardcore, next will be classic more hardcore than before).

[@beebeemw]

@@rockurox then just do easier keys, there’s plenty of easy content for you to enjoy.

[@madsboandersen5316]

The tank/healer to DPS ratio is still gonna be a major issue, and will continue to be, as long as raids and dungeons are so enormously imbalanced in ratios. There's just too damn many DPSers out there, and even if dungeons were 10mans with 1 tank and 1 healer and 8 DPS, there'd probs still be too many DPS in Q!!! So either tank/heal has to become SO OBSCENELY lucrative compared to DPS in M+ that people willingly switch, or the tank and healer role has to reworked entirely into something that is less demanding on players.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

part of this issue is community driven no one wants to play tank/healer because man-children DPS screaming at them is just not fun I know I sure as hell don't want to put up with that. especially while I'm learning the roles. If the community was actually open to helping people learn, I'd probably be learning to tank/heal myself. but they aren't. they want you to know exactly what you're doing going in or get lost and this is an issue that starts at normal dungeons. an expectation to know what you're doing in high keys is one thing an expectation for someone fresh off of tutorial island to know how to tank/heal in a normal dungeon is asinine, but that is the expectation set by most and it needs to stop or this issue will only get worse

[@Proletarios69]

@@dragonriderabens9761 Exactly, its not only that Tanking/Healing as roles are more demanding and have more responsibilities, they also have idiotic dps that will scream and flame people after a minor mistake or inconvenience.

[@VargThorsolf1114]

Pull rip cord and revert back to Legion style M+. Pushers will push but it's a lot easier for everyone to be able to enjoy.

[@DarkMichael9]

Ion hates rip cords.

[@felipehwow]

I started playing tank in this expansion, it seems like I chose the worst time to start, but even with all the problems, I still had some fun playing tank. let's see what it will be like in season 2

[@Ronin3run]

Same. Got all 10s done in 3 weeks, didn't feel as bad as I thought it'd be. Still, tanking in legion was way more fun

[@philmehrart]

Give Arms/Fury Warrs a BL!!

[@codycurtin2295]

It would have to be something that affects only other players or give them a limiting factor because pvp would be too op

[@warphwarph6084]

Give warrior a melee ranged battle res. 😅

[@gamertd4093]

Just bring back scrolls

[@codycurtin2295]

@@philmehrart give warriors an I win the game button, where they press a button and win the world of Warcraft. PLZ Blizz thy need it 🥺🥺

[@chrisx291]

@@codycurtin2295 nobody cares about the 5 people left in pvp tho. youre a mini game. move on.

[@SurpriseCake]

I think we also need a better rating system in m+. The current scoring system isn't closely correlated enough with skill level. And also you can't tell the difference between solo queue and groups in terms of rating. Secondly we need to close the gap on gear from raid and m+.

[@patrickstar1164]

The keys infinitely get harder. What's the point of making dungeons and m+ so hard if it's getting hard anyways? I really don't understand.

[@theheebs100]

I agree that scaling is fucked this season

[@Impuracle]

Wake me up for Season 3.

[@MiIlaheavy]

As a tank i hate the amount of casts that target my dps… does my aggro mean nothing??? Curses fine but i cant big pull cause trash snipes my dps even with 100% aggro

[@chrishopson5362]

Give warriors banner back, make M+ drop 3-4 pieces based on timer and make other classes that have low representation some abilities they use to have back in the day

[@AllanBDGaming]

I was talking to a friend last night that quit quickly into tww and in our discussion my issue with tanks outside of pally you have no or little group utility to help. And that’s why pally is so meta

[@killertek78]

100% with you on tanking just not being fun. I do NOT feel powerful, so I stopped tanking halfway into the season. I really enjoyed tanking end of SL and all through DF. I want to get back tanking again, but it needs to feel fun and impactful.

[@truli91]

What are u talking about? Ppalas do more dmg than pure dps, BDK heal more than healers, never had a healer outheal me on BDK. Tanking had never been more broken. Only casuals complain.

[@jigsaw6954]

I just do 1 10 now a week on my main i just dont have the energy for it anymore

[@TheGoldenAngel82]

This is the first expansion since TBC that I am not playing a healer. I do want to play healer and I DO miss it a lot - the exhaustion, stress and lack of fun is way bigger though, than me missing to heal. This also means that I am loosing some thrill for the game. It is also the first expansion where I am not raiding or M+ing, in fact I only do Delves and world content and I have started to favor other games over WoW lately. So it is not only the roles they are loosing, it is also the players in general when things are as messy as they are now.

[@Shadowxjen]

Same, delves rewards are so good, that it pushes you to a relveant itemlevel, with which you can still do medium to high myth keys or hc raids if you choose too. I do maybe 1-2 myth per month as a healer. Raiding in general is a waste of time, if you dont do it in organized group and if you do the rewards are not good enough. People dont do that content over and over for fun, they do it for rewards.

[@GMToaster]

Slowing down combat for more coordination means we have to cc 2 mobs in a group of 4 and can only fight 2 mobs at a time like we used to do in Burning Crusade

[@ICantPauseItMom]

I don't understand this community. Fun is subjective and I understand that; people are going to find fun in different ways, so finding a one size fits all in that aspect is a challenge for designers. That being said, it sounds like people are complaining just to complain. It's infinitely scaling content, of course it's going to get hard - people are just upset and their egos are bruised because 'NUMBER GO DOWN' since keys are getting hard at 10-12 for most, rather than 20-22, the wall is going to be there either way. In terms of pack-by-pack difficulty, we've had seasons where a lot of raw interrupts were needed, and people complained, we've had seasons where hard CC was more impactful, and people didn't like that either. We've also had expansions that were focused on spikey one-shot mechanics, people whined how unfun that was, while also bitching about and seasons with consistent outgoing RoT damage. Now it's being proposed of big, long casts that need to be stopped, but in order for those to feel impactful, they need to also need to do punishing damage if not interrupted, which takes us back into the 1 shot, spikey territory. If we have big, long casts that aren't scary or impactful, what's the point at all? People just want to breeze through M+ and not have it be a challenge. Steamroll meaningless keys so IO GO UP, ME HAPPY

[@Mepheezi]

What's the quest log addon that Flame is using?

[@alimoaveni2465]

The thing I said about arcane mage , they bucutre our rotation times and times cuz they wanna fix the problem they are making , so I'd rather be left alone

[@marydanielle7183]

I haven’t played M+ since BFA. I’m not a hardcore end gamer, never have been. These changes aren’t going to bring in a player like myself but I hope it will help those who do like M+. Keep gaming everyone!

[@avalectra1]

so keys still deplete.... there is no reason for this at all

[@TJR123]

Faith restored is under the premise that S1 TWW was not one of the best seasons we have had in awhile. 100% things I would like to have seen changed, but S1 was insanely good by comparison.

[@crhoch16]

Playing POE 2 has made me realize that blizzard doesn’t care about their community or what they want in the game. If everyone is fully against something grinding gear games fixes/changes it. Blizzard on the other hand cooks up some bullshit change that no one asked for and that people dislike more than the original thing.

[@RandoCDN87]

0:15 I was waiting for the DPS player dude dancing & singing in the background as a ret pally no lie afterwards the priest sweating hard.

[@Avardus]

Funny the opposite has happened with me where I've taken up Tanking higher keys this season and put down healing as i've not enjoyed healing this season

[@aka_the_dude]

Same! I stopped healing and went tank

[@Anonymous-sq6eo]

Same, I only enjoy tanking for some reason. Dpsing is kinda boring for me.

[@Maztaimm]

Ya I picked up tanking for the first time this season and learning how to deal with the packs that really hurt is really fun and rewarding.

[@SingingGir]

Prot Warrior is my favorite class. I don't know what it's like to search for tank players because tank is all I play. So I figure looking for tanks can't be that big of a concern when they feel the need to pulverize Prot Warrior and leave Brewmaster in the ditch for no reason

[@S3Ri0usOG]

No one has his faith restored. Aug nerf is doing nothing. S2 dungeons are not designed for M+ at all. Millions of swirlies every 0.5 seconds, random one shots from overtuned casts, healing and tanking feeling like a struggle that no one wants to have "for fun". Class balance is nowhere to be found with most of melees being useless unless you have the benefit of having range skills like ret or enh. Same specs being meta again and again every season, leading the mindset of the community to just invite these specs IF that little cursed io number that destroys M+ is equal to the 0.1% of the player base. Gold making is at it's worse state and practically undoable if you are not boosting. There is no faith to be restored. The only thing left is the chance of having a fun raid which ofc will be overtuned as hell and probably have fights like Mythic Broodtwister that you have to set 7 weakauras to do it.

[@agronas9565]

They should stop putting a kick on cooldown if it does not stop something - if they are sticking with this minimal utility from AoE stuns paradigm. If you don't run the risk of a party with no comms putting half or more of their CC on cooldown because they try and stop a cast, it would massively improve gameplay. Then people can actually be irritated if CC doesn't go off, rather than not knowing whether you tried and got cancelled by another party member's CC. This would be a reasonable change. Currently I don't see any changes in M+ that will bring it back to the point where it is fun again.

[@danielgreen8085]

Tanks need to be almost immortal threat monsters that do half their current DPS. That will almost single-handedly fix M+. More Tanks = More Dungeons, period.

[@user-jt1bi6id6n]

Totally disagree. Tanking was it's most fun in Mist of Pandaria with Vengeance because the better you played, the more you were rewarded. A Rank 1 world Tank should 100% be able to beat a 50% parse of a DPS. When I tank, it's to help and play with my friends: e.g. my community. That often means raising a low ilvl alt someone wants to play, a returning player with no ilvl or IO; or someone that is fun to hang with in discord, but will never get CE (the general populace). I enjoyed tanking when I could carry those players (my friends and community). Back then, when we needed to fill a spot we could just pick a class or buff and go; now, tank DPS, especially in single target is abysmal. You can't carry your friends, you don't do numbers, and you can't hold threat because some class will tunnel and rip. BTW, I get 3k io just to get into pug groups so I know how to play. So, what does this mean? When there are only 4 of us, we have to wait for the right class/buff/brez/lust, then we have to wait for someone with a super high IO that is typically 500+ higher than you need to actual complete the key at the level we are runnig; why? just because we don't want to wipe over and over and make a 20min key into 60min+ because of wipes. It's simply not fun. I know three of my old friends quit because they played tanks, but the massive nerfs to tank dps and self-sustain made it totally unfun because they could no longer carry weaker players. Hence, vengeance... or twilight devastation procs, etc. A tank should be able to actually contribute. There is ZERO reason to nerf tanks into the ground for DPS. Why? Because at the level needed to fill vaults ie FUN should mean 1 really good tank with a decent healer or dps should be enough to do a 10. Having a tank do zero dps per your comment means you need 2 really good players plus a really good tank.

[@danielgreen8085]

@@user-jt1bi6id6n You wrote a lot, so I'm unsure where to start. I have finished with the key, where Tanks are clearing +900k dps overall, and DPS themselves are clearing 1.1mil overall. This is without the vengeance buff from MoP. A tank's job is to keep a threat (which is just a modifier) and live through hits that no one else can. That is their prime directive. I remember when DK's could Icy Touch spam in WotLK and rip threat because Icy Touch's tool tip literally said "High Threat" on it. Healers are meant to heal people. Tanks should not be doing DPS numbers, nor should healers. DPS should be doing DPS. As for carrying, no one is meant to "carry" the dungeon. It is a team sport/effort. As for the "fun" part, fun is subjective. Pulling the world and letting my DPS go ham and living through it is as fun as it gets. But me worrying about white melee swings killing me as I run through to grab the mobs or a DPS's passive cleave ripping threat and dying is not. Hopefully, in the end, you and I can agree that stronger (DPS or not) Tanks will fix the M+.

[@luftim]

enhancement is hyper god tier and they buff it even more XD

[@truli91]

They need to nerf shamans into oblivion.

[@carlosalmodovar3637]

I don’t think those changes are going to be enough. M+ is a rated gameplay it should be a queue by rank.

[@Shadowxjen]

Mythic + issue for me is the rewardsystem. If i dont like to do myth + above 7-8 then i am better of with delves. Which was never my intention but is a better time/reward investment.

[@syxqid3818]

For us the hardest thing is to find healers. Tanks are enough there. I also stopped heal it just to crazy how many oneshots dps takes or how often they stay in fire and think he will heal it... and if you dont you get flamed till you just want to leave 😢

[@Lauscus]

Did this season as all three roles. Tanking was miserable and required a lot of Vers to make playable. DPS was fun if you had a lot of interrupts/CC. If you were like… warrior? Not enough CC in the kit for not having brez/lust so queue times were too long. For healer keys are night and day depending on whether the rest of the group knew what was going on and did all the mechanics. So either fun or nightmareish.

[@lorenzonuzzaci2430]

I have a request from blizzard, i am a new player playing resto shaman, downloaded the game and created my first character in half past november. Currently i'm 2859 rio with almost all +12 completed. It has not been an easy little learning journey (i have to say i understand that 12s are made to put up a big challenge so it's ok), but it has been and it still is a very frustrating one. The speed in wich the hp bars go down and the speed in wich you can refull them is brutal as a healer. It is overwhelming, mentally stressing and the risk of fkin up a mechanic or an interrupt/stun/things of the floor are at the highest. That is so damaging for mythics, so the request is to not make them even harder because rn it is at the limit of what is humanly possible imo. Thank you blizzard because overall you created a good expansion with crazy enjoyable to play character. But please address a bit this issue. If anyone wants to give me tips just hop in the comment

[@bradscoble7078]

I find it odd that low keys where most players live right now have the dungeon mechanics plus the affixes. Less skilled players, lower coordination, and more mechanics to think about. Also those affixes use portions of your cc kit or require some planning or outside the game guides and knowledge, doesn’t that sound like it should be on the higher end of keys. They removed it because the high players didn’t want to deal with it either. The game devs are making an easy fun social game into a try hard Esport toxic dumping ground.

[@Olejowy89]

They are making m+ and mythinc raiding so hard that it's not even fun anymore ans when you finally kill the last boss of the raid you are more like "Thank god it's over" than excited. I understand that they want us to have to play the game as long as possible but I really live this time when the mythic raid is cleared, I don't have to run m+ for gear and I can enjoy the game however I want farming some achievements/mounts/pets, playing pvp etc.

[@zekonja90]

Faith restored, until you bitch about next thing. And failth is not restored, because these changes ain't shit...

[@xalex4ever]

why are you guys refering to big changes when its kinda the bare minimum that had to happen to even make the S2 playable. I think every bigger M+ player is kinda on the same lvl that the next season is gonna be a quick fail if it stays like it is

[@TheLisknisi]

I play demo lock. Avoiding m+ totally, overall done ~11 dungeons in first weeks of this whole season (mostly +4-7, once +10 with guildies), 1,7k io... sitting at 638 il as raider. Feeling disgust just by thinking about joining m+. And most probably in S2 nothing will change.

[@iapetes1]

Interesting, this is my first season ever doing m+ cus I'm basically new to wow... but i actually find the trash packs kinda fun, not sure if I'll still feel that way when they're heavily simplified But that's me as a dps, if we can make the dungeons more fun for healers or tanks that is gonna have the biggest overall impact cus the worst part of m+ is forming groups

[@Ferociousmeow]

Why does m+ need to get fixed tho? One of the few seasons where I enjoyed m+. I can agree on the part with lacking rewards and some packs have too many mechanics. But yall will just complain if we get less mechanics, which means one shot mechanics. Then youll cry cause of that

[@truli91]

I agree. Casuals do delves get into dgs of 6 or 7, fail mechanins then come here to complain about how hard it is when they dont even bother to know tactics. Key of 12 and 13 are easier than 6s because you get a groups of people that know what to do. Rewards from vault do give bis items. The only issue I have with M+ is that they give worse rewards than delves which should not happen.

[@arshaadc4215]

its always the same story with blizzard, they always claim to learn, but the m+ situation is super similar to S1 of Dragonflight. the community is giving them feedback during PTR and they never listen. at this point i think Blizzard does this on purpose, just to get some good PR when they "listen" to the community fix the mistakes the community points out well in advance. sidenote they should also get rid of mythic raiding lockout to one group of ppl.

[@jessicaforrister]

I'm a frost dk started wow in December only play a couple hours a day I have 619 ilvl and a 2100 m+ rating, so far I have never had a drop from m+ not one, I geared through a few lucky delves and the weekly chest and quest 😅

[@MatejjSlackermaster]

To be fair, if you need 3 + defensives up to survive tank buster its weird (100% spell block on prot pala), and as a reward for you hard work some dps complain about you not being good enough while they need to press 3 - 4 buttons. I wonder why tanks stopped pugging / doing M+ :D

[@theheebs100]

right now as a tank it legit feels like you have to have a defensive up 100% of the time, or you die instantly. it's ridiculous.

[@johnMa7869]

Either they just revert the tank changes and take the L or really move some sh*t around with m+ in the next few weeks or ill leave. M+ is most of the content i play in wow and if thats not fun, then im out. easy as that.

[@TheMainCal]

Yep I stopped tanking and switched to dps so I can do higher keys than an 8 or 9

[@gflexgaming]

"People are willing to put up with a lot of sh"t as long as they are getting paid for it." Ain't that the truth

[@Netherstrasz]

Uhhhh this one is slated to be the absolute worst. The dungeon pool is atrocious-keeping Darkflame Cleft with the mining cart and candles is just one example

[@xqtkei]

Diablo: players quit cause POE 2. Overwatch: players quit cause Marvel Rivals. WOW: hold my beer.

[@anymouse59]

The dungeon team literally created a problem with interrupts that was so low on the complaint queue now it is top 3 for most people. They shouldn't tweak it they should revert the CC changes. Meta, tank, heals is always going to be there because they can't balance but the ridiculousness of 11.0.7 patch. I don't know why it takes 9 months for them to revert bad changes. Who wants slower combat? If it is the casuals then make mythic (-) give 1/2 the rewards and let the people that want to do slow there.

[@kevinvegerud205]

M+ is very exhausting hehe..

[@Achilliez]

This make me a very worried as a blood DK… 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TheMagicBeaner]

M+ is the complete reason I stopped tanking. I did not want to deal with % for the dungeons. Its silly but its just not me lol. I barely have done any dungeons in S1 because I hate pretty much 90% of the dungeon pool we have. S2 looks like some bad dungeons (imo) too so I'm not looking forward to it.

[@ExTRoumi]

for me I think M+ are fun and don't need changes, I see it as classes problem and accessibility obviously there are classes that perform better than others, just fix the classes that are bad either by changing specs or buffing or both and for accessibility I don't know how to fix it, its when as a dps u don't get invited to groups and its only reserved for the Overgaard, maybe fix it by increasing the reward the lower average group ilvl is?

[@BulkersRuleZ]

Never ending m+ saga. Now they will make it easier and in MDI groups will pull all grps between bosses and Blizzard will buff dungeons and crazy casts that if go off will wipe the group. Then they will nerf it again and cycle will continue

[@andrewthomas817]

At least brewmaster got major changes in the last 7 years..... o wait nvm

[@ericshun3331]

i stopped tanking too, created my first dps char ever

[@nicolasvictormartinez3499]

Until they dont remove the 15 segs penalty for death the mytics plus will be shit

[@Gimpo925]

I've been a main tank for 20 years and I stopped playing as well.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

an Aug nerf has been a long time coming. as someone who loves playing dev evoker, why should I be forced to swap specs just to be able to get into a group? that said, IDK if this is the right way to go about it. a nerf has been needed for a LONG time, but I think this is the wrong way to to do it. it feels like they are having a core part of what makes them unique taken away. I can think of 2 solutions, both of which would be long and involved on Bliz's part: 1. redo aug evoker into a tank spect. give us a fresh tank to play with, and just give up on the support thing 2. completely revamp the game on multiple levels to allow for a support role in queues, including revamping multiple other class specs to be support instead of one of the holy trinity (disc priest comes to mind on this one). I really like the latter option a LOT more. there's a ton to do on there, but I think this one would open up an entirely new world of possibilities for Bliz in class, spec, and encounter designs. it's gonna take a ton of work, but I think the effort would really pay off as long as bliz doesn't cut corners. the biggest thing is that more support specs and a dedicated support role would lead to Aug no longer being mandatory, because other specs can fulfill a similar role just as well. which is exactly why I feel like if bliz was going to go with either, it would be the former. the latter is just too involved. it would take too long and cost too much. of course bliz is gonna go for the cheaper and quicker solution. but even that I fight HIGHLY unlikely.

[@DrakeanLaPlante]

I remember at DF I done 2,7k rio at holy priest and have a lot of fun. Then came TWW and my holy priest became a lame as fuck. At +2 have much more problems to heal then +15 at DF. Hope my holy priest be more playable in next season.

[@davidw.5984]

Give Warlocks M+ utility!!

[@dennislutkefedder6636]

When does the major Changes for PvP comes ? :D

[@lens_hunter]

I don't know why I watched these videos even though I haven't played Wow in like 4 years

[@rockurox]

We pay a monthly subscription AND posts countless blogs, forum posts, discord server posts, comments, forum threads; there is NO reason blizzard cant get it right by now, its laziness.

[@alythgg1828]

Ppl who likes the game doesnt complain on forum

[@ShadyStranger]

Wait, Marcelian's romanian?

[@LoyedLion]

I Q as Dk tank in +14 or +15 and they just w8 HOURS for Paladin tank ;) Community does it by itself

[@alythgg1828]

Yup. Everyone complains yet majority of the time it is the playerbase caosing the problem. “Google: what is the meta - thanks google”

[@truli91]

I think BDk is stronger than Ppala but people don't seem to notice that. Never got outhealed by a healer on BDK which is broken.

[@MrLobrau]

Dope, MH Wilds is gonna be lit

[@slicknick4140]

So.... what were the major changes? I skipped most of it cuz it just seemed like endless rambling lol

[@Traximmus]

Hope dies last, we also have it in bulgaria, cheers neighbours😃

[@staei7457]

They don’t even touch PvP, how can pve be sucking too?

[@Dopeamiine]

Grim Batol 7 and up is almost un-puggable as a healer made me stop playing wow for a month and a half i didn't even get my murlloc fit because i just didn't want to play the game because of the amount of sht that dungeon gave me

[@truli91]

Keys of 6s and 7s are the hardest because you find pugs that just finished gearing from delves and have no idea what to so. They are just casuals being toxic. Once you start doing highed keys like 11 or 12s you will find it easier because you will get a group of people that know what to do. Each time I lvl and gear an alt I hate having to do lower keys because they are significantly more difficult than higher ones due to people not the game itself.

[@dylanstafforini9861]

It’s a crime to play holy in keys when disc is soooooo good right now.

[@Shooter8111]

The players make M+ not fun. I can deal with tuning. Toxic people that make up M+ is the problem. I stopped pushing past the achievement thresholds because of it. I haven't played since I got what I wanted and now on a 2mo break from the game. I will renew my sub when the patch comes.

[@Ermacmike]

god im weird i love my blood dk, maining this class since effin 2009

[@Scott-r8f]

They better make it fun for every spec in the game or there basically back to square 1 and again ppl will just stop playing them..I highly doubt blizzard will learn from this and season 2 will be shit.

[@blacksunaccounts]

How is it that heroic dungeons are a joke and myth plus us too hard? Heroic dungeons should be as hard as t8 delvs

[@truli91]

Ffs all this comments. No, mythic plus is not that hard. 11s and 12 are easier than 6 and 7s because people know what to do.

[@metalmach1ne748]

This is bs, no changes announced dude

[@comandotug]

In all honesty there are some issues but i have tanked for years and love it this season. The reason prot pally is "meta" isnt just that they have a million interupts. Yes they are strong and yes this helps but half of the time it is because other players want a prot pally as they dont want to use their interupts. Not just that i have noticed players dont want to play the mechanics they rely on others doing it. Further to this you never know how people have geared. Alot of people come out of delves wifh good gesr and then get angry when they are told they arent performing well in dungeons. Whilst i agree there are problems with in the game i would say 80% of the problems i have faced are people within the community being toxic and just expecting to get gear and end game content easily.

[@johnwayne2103]

The grind just to get mythic 10's out of the way and to see your vault give you some B.S piece of gear that is worthless, yeah I am done.

[@christmasham4312]

Mage changes not looking to hot 😢

[@Shadovvwithoutbody]

Tanking is zero fun. Every ddealer has multiple passive 1 button doing 3-4 things that just steal agro on first move. It so annoying. And ofc this being almost dead on every pull. I have to chose between a button that saves me or does agro or builds resources. Meanwhile the game wants me to do all at once. Aaaand when you invite someone with gear then they think that they are the tank and keep pulling.... On low level key ddealers don't interrupt. So healing is a pain and agony. They all keep leeching on healers ! I won't touch these roles until these changes are not addressed and cured. Though as ddealer I had not really have any problem. : / - 4h talent spec for everyone, I want to tank as a warlock like I did in MoP and in SoD rn.

[@Claw94]

Thats a cool sweather

[@theheebs100]

Ion needs to be fired. no debate. He has failed horribly at running this ship

[@ArcticSoul1989]

Timers make M+ players toxic therefore i refuse to take part, im ok with a but of toxic but i really hate wasting time and there is nothing worse than a toxic tank leaving during a M+

[@alythgg1828]

If there are no timers m+ would be the most lame vanilla CC, wait for cds each pack bullshit haha. It would have to be reworked entirely and I dont see how without them reforming the entire Dungeons really

[@Husky1378x]

M+ should be removed from WoW entirely. PvP can take its place on the vault. M+ is a mini-game with nothing to do with the Lore and is responsible for turning group content into the worst experience World of Warcraft has to offer. Take it out of Azeroth and make it a mobile game. M+ is not fun, Dungeons are not fun. Raids are not fun when tanks overpull trash like they are on a clock and wipe. The poison spread throughout all group content due to the timer and IO scoring is immeasurable.

[@SillyOne90]

KZbinrs can continue to post these "Major changes" and "Mythic + is saved" but it means jack Sh*t. No one likes to play it...tanks and healers hate it the most...and Mythic + needs to be its only separate feature or disappear all together. Passing on everything WoW until Raiding and mythic + no longer effect each other...and that means in ANYWAY.

[@Maztaimm]

Im a tank and I really enjoy m+. Wouldn't mind a system that kept me from having to get my bus trink from raid (some seasons I like raiding but sometimes id rather not) though so while I disagree with your premise I don't mind your conclusion.

[@myv112]

Hello brewmasters :)

[@alpakapucuf3394]

shhh... we dont exist dont tell them!

[@obellicious6452]

Tanks saved = shaman tank 🤪

[@travisshannon9040]

Wait.. You're Romanian? I thought you were Mexican. I only say that because I'm Native and I look Mexican lol.

[@dreamcaster012]

M+ is still dogshit in its current state. Needs to be more fun, better rewards, and balance is still ass.

[@misskill33]

Good but nowhere near enough ... so will remain "META OR NOT JOIN" :)) still sleep until season 3 i guess for M runs , nu stiam ca sunte-ti romani :))

[@mynameisandycook1]

When you talked about how you most of the time end up tanking in keys, and this being the first time in 20 years that you just don't like it... it was as if you were speaking for me. This has been the least fun experience I've ever had in World of Warcraft. EVERY SINGLE PERSON I have played with over the last few years are gone. They have left because this expansion is trash for enjoyment, when your primary mode has been M+. I hope its fixed. I have no hope that my friends will come back to this. But I hope Ion takes a step back and lets someone who actually enjoys the game call some shots.

[@alythgg1828]

Try tanking in SL mate - u werent, u were kiting whilst holding aggro xD

[@masonw6558]

Long time watcher, also long time paladin. Any spec of paladin can cleanse bleed, Aug isn't the only spec and I keep hearing it on repeat that Aug is the only one.

[@johnMa7869]

Well paladins can make you immune to phys dmg on a 6min cooldown and cannot use it on the tank because of aggro, sooooooo. yeah only evoker can *really* dispell bleeds