Marshall Origin vs 1987X 50 Watt Plexi

[@MrPolevaulter]

I finally got around to comparing the Plexi to a 50 watt Origin. Here's that video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ-2YpeIoaeWmcU It gets LOUD :)

[@rafael7867]

Man. Speakers ? V30?

[@tortex3]

An excellent and honest review. You can really hear the difference in quality between the two. The 1987X Plexi Reissue was very full, whereas the Origin sounded thin and weak by comparison. Then again, it is a quarter the price.......what did you expect? This is really the only way to judge amps, side by side, same day, same player, same guitar, same room. The only thing I think you should have done differently, is to play EXACTLY the same guitar phrases on each amp when comparing sound quality. Great playing, by the way!! AAA+++ Thanks for the review.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cheers! :)

[@Ironwolf1776]

I have an Origin 50H playing through a 1960B 4x12. There is no comparison to the 20 H when the volumes are cranked. Should have used the 50H for the comparison.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Ironwolf1776 Would have, if they'd had it in the shop.

[@tru3crewmedia]

the 50 is def a tad louder but can't keep up with the 20s tone.

[@INVERTEDBUKAKI]

don't try to justify your purchase... it's not that good imo I liked the dsl 20 better than the origin 20/50

[@80srs11]

No need to diss the guy for buying/liking the amp. Taste is subjective, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. What he said is true though, it's not fair to test it against the Plexi especially when the Origin is 20 watts it's not even in the same ballpark as the legendary Plexi. Price does play a factor though..not everyone can buy a $2000 amp.

[@JimBob-oy9bs]

@@tru3crewmedia bullshit.. do you play a squire?

[@elitecombatfitnesscentral6170]

The proper comparison will be at 50 watt Plexi against the 50 watt origin

[@heyjarrod]

Yes, I don’t know how he got that origin sounding so terrible. Maybe he wasn’t adjusting any of the EQ, contour, or presence to get them to sound closer?

[@dcaudio1]

The Marshall Origin is an excellent base for a head. At $599 at Sweetwater its just a great amp. If you run a tube screamer in front and a Strymon riverside or sunset you will not be disappointed. Its a great amp outright but adding a little flavor for variety is well worth it. I solved all these amp problems with a Kemper. Done!!!! i have them all.

[@DS-nw4eq]

The tones coming from the Plexi I’m able to get from an Origin 50. Fact is there is a lot of room to dial in an amp with an effective eq.

[@christophernuzzolo5977]

I had a 1987x. I will attest to the fact it was louder then anything I have every encounter. That being said I could not use it anywhere. It was a thing of beauty to play. Feedback on command, Clean to rip your head off distortion.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Brilliant amp :) Was it one of the original ones, or a reissue?

[@revelationtune]

Why most of the amp bloggers they are not considering the cabinet speaker (max watts) they are using for every head amp they are introducing in their blog. FYI amp head + cabinet matched up are very important to us, so we know exactly the proper cabinet speaker max wattage we're going to use for every model of amp head.

[@hkguitar1984]

Good Video, Thank You. You only get what you pay for, and that is if you're lucky! As an owner of a 1987x I couldn't be happier. Spending my money on an older/used Marshall 1987x was the best amplifier purchase I ever made.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cheers :)

[@hkguitar1984]

It's true though about the more expensive amplifiers. And to be honest the amplifier has more to do with a Guitarists tone than does any type of guitar/pickup combination. Many say the Marshall 1987x is a "One Trick Pony", and that may be true. However it does a trick no other Pony can do!

[@MrPolevaulter]

@@hkguitar1984 It does indeed.

[@nezabarom1]

Thank you for explaining everything in plain English. No fancy and confusing terms that no one gets.

[@donharrold1375]

I don't agree that Vietnam = poor quality. Providing Marshall manage quality effectively (you can be pretty sure they will) it should sound great. It sounded like you had the tilt in the middle (12 O’clock) on the Origin whereas you were playing through the high treble on the plexi? No wonder they sound different?

[@cgavin1]

I pulled my origin to bits on day 1 to make sure it was safe and was very impressed with the quality. I have a Vox AC30 also made in Vietnam in the early 2000's and its just as good. Nice thick PCB, solid tracers, good quality caps, clearly labelled board etc. I don't like tube sockets mounted directly on PCB but thats just the standard now. I couldn't see anything in there that looked shoddy or cheap. It was made to a good standard, as good as any consumer devices I own (all made in Asia). The cheapness is from the labour costs; the elctronics are all the same stock stuff that goes in to literally everything you own. All made in Asia.

[@sjr3124]

The 50H probably would have been a better comparison. More head room, clarity and thump. Anyway thanks for the comparison. IMO... I believe a Origin 50H would get the job done, especially for 1/4 of the price. Everything in life is a trade off.

[@MrPolevaulter]

SJR You're probably right. They didn't have one in the shop though, so had to settle for the 20. Still don't think the difference should be that massive. Maybe I'm wrong though. I do think I'll compare the 50's later.

[@TucsonBillD]

@@MrPolevaulter The Origin 50 is a completely different beast than the 20... Maybe Marshall should have stuck with EL84 tubes/valves in the 20.

[@MrPolevaulter]

@@TucsonBillD Maybe.

[@hernandezmathias2784]

Really unfair comparison and sound recording. We all know the Plexi is another Beast. But there is no more venue where you can gig it. My 20head with a 212 loaded wit EVM12L really does the job.

[@adamr8878]

I really wanted to rag on you for talking too much. But, you're such a great player that I will just say, great demo..

[@MrPolevaulter]

Thanks :)

[@fabiogramani3849]

...that would be great hearing the Origin 50 head vs 1987.....not only the wattage, but different power tubes as well.... Great review, though....Great channel! Cheers from Brazil!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Thanks Fabio :)

[@acesandeightsmusic1]

I have the 20 watt Origin and I run it through G12t-75 speakers in my cab, and it opens the top end up and gives it much more rounded and fuller sound.. It sounds to me like you should do a comparison of the two also with a guitar with Humbuckers in it, maybe EQ the Origin a little more... your right the two don’t sound a lot alike and the Plexi sounds good but it sounds like the highs are pearcingly loud and the Origin sounds like the tone knob is rolled off on your strat (I’m not saying that it is) it just sounds like something in the EQ of it is off... Normally I play a Les Paul with active pickups and I push the front of the amp with a tube screamer or my Fulltone Fulldrive 2 mosfet and with that set even with a Strat it still sounds totally different

[@fredfunf3456]

Something going on with that cab. It seemed to make the plexi sound worse on the first one, then made the Origin sound bad on the swap. The Origin was competing well up until the swap. Hmm

[@jorgiewtf]

I have recently really realized that the difference in wattage between a 20W and a 50W is massive and it kinda makes this comparison not so fair. I do appreciate your vids man and its not an attack on you I just think a more apples to apples would have been the 50W origin vs your 50W plexi.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Fair enough. I actually have one of those as well, comparing the Plexi to a 50 watt Origin.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Actually, the link is the pinned comment of this video.

[@jorgiewtf]

Elmo Karjalainen I’ll watch now. Thanks for the reply man, you freaking rock! 🤘🏽

[@jjcevallos12]

I’d appreciate a demo/shootout between amps only no pedals

[@rickhill6277]

Nice review! Should have reviewed the Origin 50 Head to be more far though! I know they're a lot more money but I guess it would've been a better comparison. Keep up the good work!!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Rick Hill Thanks man! Would have reviewed it but they didn't have it in the shop.

[@jessetate9701]

Played the 20h yesterday sounded amazing

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cool :)

[@colinjwilliams6149]

Really honest decent review. Thank you brother. So many youtubers are too scared to be honest

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cheers!

[@drkaplin98]

Great review. Great sense of humor and personality. Very entertaining and informative.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Glad you enjoyed it Dan!

[@mctwishvonnoodles9793]

I can definitely hear a difference, but I'm not quite sure how to describe it. But in my opinion the Origin is definitely a good contender for the "Marshall Sound". I'm much more likely to be able to get my hands on the Origin, as much as I'd want a real 59SLP

[@MrPolevaulter]

If you're on a budget, it's not bad.

[@pitaorj]

Please do the same A/B with the origin 50w

[@MrPolevaulter]

Filipe Soares Probably will, once the shop gets one of them, and I manage to get rid of the 20 😀

[@hoboroadie]

Watching this I am pretty convinced I should get an Origin 50. Rock on!

[@MrPolevaulter]

hoboroadie Cheers 😊

[@peterschaefer1665]

Exactly!

[@pitaorj]

Peter Schaefer I've tried the 50w. It is very clean, sounds much more Like a jtm45 than a plexi

[@chrisv5205]

If you're a pro musician or even just a "serious" enthusiast, if you have a Marshall Plexi, you're using the Marshall Plexi. The Origin would be a good practice amp or something. Maybe an end table?

[@MrPolevaulter]

Haha :D

[@MrPolevaulter]

Paperweight? :D

[@dazd8306]

Love your channel Elmo

[@MrPolevaulter]

Thanks!

[@pdskep]

The Origin sounded much better with the first cab than it did with the second to me. It really thinned out and maybe lost some mids and got twangy. Maybe it's much more particular to the cab it's being run into as it has much less headroom. I truer test would have been to compare it to a Origin 50 and also run them both into the same cab when A/B'ing. Also what else would be useful is if you could mark the locations for each section so it's would be easier to find to jump back and forth and compare. Anyway nice playing and thanks for comparison.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cheers!

[@whoisthenext1]

Origin seems "tubescreamish" comparing to 1987, that has to me that tridimesional sound I remember about a Marshall. A BIG "hi" to you, Elmo.

[@MrPolevaulter]

A big hi to you too Nuccio :)

[@peterschaefer1665]

The Origin has a much smoother top end. Maybe more compression goin on due to lower wattage. Honestly though if you are going to run an overdrive into it who cares which one you use. It will mostly take on the character of the pedal. Not worth the extra money in my opinion.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Fair enough. Still haven't had a chance to try the Origin 50. For me the Plexi is better. But that's what's great. It's all subjective 😊

[@danielakerman8241]

Peter Schaefer if you think it doesn’t matter what amp you use with a pedal, or that any amp will simply take on the character of the pedal, go watch That Pedal Show and get schooled. Amp-pedal interaction is KEY and different pedal/amp combinations will work better than others. Amp headroom and eq profile will have a profound effect.

[@image30p]

The Plexi seems to have more depth/ complexity.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Yep.

[@MarkAnthony5150]

More 3D yup

[@Stereostupid]

It's also twice as loud dude he even said that whoops

[@image30p]

@@Stereostupid LOL!

[@StuartKReilly]

I'm gonna make the unpopular vote here. For a "Poor Man's Plexi" sound the Origin is about as close as the working man is gonna get if they want that marshall badge. And imagine the modding possibilities.However I agree with another commentor that the Bugera 1960 would be another good Plexi clone for cheap. All that said, I sold all my Marshalls but a 2204 JMP and a Lead 12 and don't feel I need any more for that sound. Plus I'm more brand loyal to old school Peaveys. But new Marshalls are ok for what they are imo. The original DSL 40 I found to be fun when I owned one.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Thanks for the comment Stuart.

[@rokinrandy]

Yea I also Wonder how a 50’watt will do in a loud band. I know the plexi is good for that. Not to mention what about if it takes a beating. What if it’s dropped. Plexi has been tested. No doubt. But so cheap I’m probably just going to get it.

[@gavihacohen]

The origin with the overdrive sounded like late 60s psychadelic blues tone. Really compressed, like molten.

[@LifeProducersofNewJerseyLLC]

Great review. I got a really good feel for the amps. The Origin is really meant as a pedal amp. The distortion on the Origin is terrible. But for the price, I would buy it over the 1987X any day. If you regularly gig, then price means even more in shopping. These amps don't last forever.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cheers David :)

[@castleanthrax1833]

It's not distortion, it's overdrive, and it's not terrible. It sounds great, it's just not high gain, but it's certainly can't be called terrible.

[@aarona.7422]

I have a Mesa Boogie Express 50 combo. Going to sell it and buy the the Origin 20 and a vox ac 10

[@Nightingale1887]

What you said about ballpark couldn't be much closer to the truth. I've had a Origin 20H and a JCM800 212 combo (single channel one) side to side (using the combo's G12-65s) and when you plug into the 800 you're like there's that aggression and perfectly balanced sound and the origin just sounds limited spectrum wise. Returned it to the shop and got a refund.

[@clemsontigz1]

Another fail at yet another attempt to mimick the amps of the 70s and 80s

[@repetitivemotion]

Both amps kick ass! Marshall kick ass!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Marshalls rule :)

[@organictimbre8232]

Wow I'm surprised. I don't believe in hyperbole, but the plexi definitely has something more 3D to its sound.

[@bobdillon1138]

The Origin is running the EL 34s around 300 volts the plexi around 400 volts the output transformer in the plexi is probably twice the size of the origin so you are going to get much bigger thump and bass from it.

[@robd754]

if you stick your fingers in your ears for the plexi, it sounds like the origin.. i guess thats the $1500 difference.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Rob D 😂😂😂

[@johngerson7335]

Good analogy. What occurred to me was "if you threw a thin blanket over the 4X12 with the Plexi, the Origin sounds like that.." Sorta the same lol. Cheers!

[@JedNadin]

Tbh the Origin still does that Marshall sound. For the price, it’s a great “stay-at-home” amp for the guy with a Plexi in the band room/tour van. Love the video, as always. I’m making it a real endeavour to support the cause ASAP.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Jed Nadin Thanks Jed. Yeah, the Origin does do that 😊

[@joeylarimore2448]

Jed Nadin wrong you have more Guitarist turning to Solid State/Modeling Amps for the simple fact they do everything a Tube Amp does and much more and much more reliable i haven't used a Tube Amp since 2009 and wont..love my 2009 Marshall MG 100FX almost ten years old and not one issue you can not say that about any Tube Amp..

[@MrPolevaulter]

Joey Larimore Well you could say that about my Plexis. Besides, I went back from Axe-FX to tube amps. They're better. Modelling stuff does more, but I'd rather have one great sound rather than 100 good ones. But whatever floats everyone's proverbial boat. Yngwie uses Plexis, Dimebag used Randall solid states.

[@joeylarimore2448]

Elmo Karjalainen i started playing Guitar in the 1970's so my influences are different mine are Eddie van halen and Jeff Beck so i wasn't much into dimebag or Malmsteen ..i was a Tube Amp user from the time i started playing in 1973 to 2009 it was then i was introduced to the Marshall MG 100FX and to this day i still use it and other Solid State/Modeling Amps like i said their much more reliable and they do everything a Tube Amp does and a lot more i do have 2 1982 JCM 800 both haven't been used in Almost 10 years no need too..i will eventually pull them out but they will never be my go too Amps ..

[@JedNadin]

Joey Larimore Dude, what do you mean I’m wrong? Is it because I said it was a great, cheap home/bedroom option? Because it is. If you’re saying I’m wrong because of that, then saying the only option is solid state and modellers... well, hate to break it to you. I wasn’t even stating fact, just personal opinion and observation.

[@JohnMasino]

The Origin 50 sounds incredible on stage. Adjust the "Tilt" control to make it sound more like the Plexi. As far as keeping up with loud drums etc... it does it easily. Just send me your Origin :) * I have other older Marshall amps as well to compare with. I just don't think you dialed in the Origin!

[@MrPolevaulter]

This was the Origin 20. And I sold it ages ago. Just ordered the 50.

[@eusebiocastro61]

I like your video what type of delay you using

[@joserdiazalmodovar1898]

Great info i do have a 1987 head from 1994 without the fx loop youre an awesome guitar player and a funny cool guy way cool dude keep the testing of gear it helps a lot

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cheers!

[@paulkielt9301]

As the wattage differs from one amp to another, you cannot get the same sound with a different type of tubes and nowadays components, in any case! Even transformers make a huge difference in tone. Moreover, I guess the Origin doesn't have any choke as well.

[@davidledford6482]

the speaker in origin 20 is wonderful, i had one,an wish i had it back, years ago i had 2.... 1987x,an they were harsh an too loud an piercing, an i sold or traded both of them away, the origin is warmer an fuller for what it is, plexi is still harsh but not bad as 1990,s when they were everywhere.......i had them...............

[@vikingbluesbreaker729]

Idk if the cost of the plexi over the origin is justifiable. At least not in my flimsy financial condition. I guess if you got money to spare, get the plexi. But the origin sounds pretty close, I actually kind of prefer the origin with the pedals.

[@peterschaefer1665]

Great chops Elmo!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cheers Peter :)

[@funckingsaoule2621]

Hi Elmo, hi folks. i am a very poor guitar player, but I have good ears ! I have an old Marshall TSL 100 +4x12 JCM 2000 at home ? Great sound but weighs a ton and no way to transport the cab each time . To play outside of home, I bought a cheap Origin Cabinet 2x12. It was acceptable but still not very practical. I decided to invest in a combo and I made my final decision based on the comparison between the DSL 40 and the Origin 50. The difference was not as big as in your test, but I came roughly to same conclusions as you did: while the DSL 50 has a "full" sound as you said, the origin is rather flat, and there is always a good bit of frustration when you compare it. You will be looking at pumping up the volume to compensate the "empty ' sound.

[@samboggs3499]

They both sounded great, but the Plexi had a more open and bigger sound.

[@peterschaefer1665]

Great vid though the wattage difference negates any comments you make. Not comparable. Do we know if the boost in the origins is a tube gain stage or other?

[@MrPolevaulter]

Don't know. Someone else might.

[@arosalesmusic]

Great playing Elmo! What are your thoughts on the JVM 410 h?

[@AlexAnder-or3kq]

I have exactly both of these amps. Although the 87x under the Christmas tree

[@PieIX]

When you did the volume thing it sounded like you had left the Origin in the inferior sounding cabinet.

[@arissp4950]

the tone @8:00 is the tone of true heavy metal

[@jvanb231]

origin sounds like a plexi I can afford.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cool :)

[@GTX1123]

Here's a third option; find a good amp builder to build you 50 watt Marshall clone. If you're a shredder purist, go for a plexi circuit but if you want versatility go for a Marshall bass circuit w an effects loop. Dimed with no effects it won't grind quite as much as a plexi but pushed with a good dist pedal in front and it will grind like any plexi. The magic of a Marshall bass circuit is its extended freq range. Roll your guitar volume back, add delay via an effects loop, and its pure ecstasy.

[@Foghornish]

Please compare the Origin 50 to the plexi. If so please also change the power valves in the Origin to decent ones as the stock ones will likely be shite. Cheers for the vid though. Very entertaining as always!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Foghornish Planning on doing it once they get one in the shop and I manage to sell the 20. Oh, and thanks 😊

[@MrTwangstaable]

Elmo, what are your favourite speakers in your 4x12 for YJM tones?

[@MrPolevaulter]

25 watt Greenbacks are what I use.

[@justinbradfield6499]

Man I own the the Origin 50 watt and I can tell u the the difference between the 20 and 50 watt version is huge..... Just wondering why u didnt use the Origin 50 watt version in the comparison ?????? I mean 50 vs 50 ????

[@MrPolevaulter]

Simply because they didn't have it in the shop. I did that comparison later.

[@aarona.7422]

For the price. The origin is a better deal. I’m not in a band, I just record for fun. I also don’t need that much volume

[@MrPolevaulter]

Absolutely. If you don't need the volume, go for a smaller one :)

[@adamf.3829]

The Origin does sound duller, less crisp - perhaps it might be helped by turning up the mids and/or highs and/or tilt? Did you try doing that? But still, it doesn't sound bad. Just different. Perhaps because it's NOT a plexi...? ;)

[@MrPolevaulter]

I did mess with the controls a bit, but I can't remember what I did anymore, or how it changed the sound. It was a while back.

[@WatchfulHunter]

My tube amp modeler, tube screamer and super fuzz pedals along with my wah and delay in the right sequence and levels make my 50W Origin scream and shake. I prefer using pedals to change it up.

[@robritoboy]

I've watched the video a few times, and I agree when you say that when you swapped cabinets the Origin got worse. I know the cabs are supposed to be identical, but the Origin seemed to get lost in the second cab. The cab on wheels seems more jangly, or less solid in the bass. Weird. But it didn't suit the Origin, and the Plexi was okay through it. Maybe the Origin is voiced more for smaller cabinets, and the 4x12 being on casters just takes away whatever it needs at at frequency. I tried the Origin 20 in the shop with a number of different cabs, and the 1960AX with the 25W Greenbacks was the best to my ears, and very acceptable. I know it won't beat a real Plexi, but it wasn't far off.

[@MrPolevaulter]

robritoboy Yeah, it was a bit odd.

[@Guitarsdetectors]

Friend, there’s more than “a bit of a difference” in wattage between them, like more than twice! I wouldn’t expect the plexi to be twice as loud, but with that much of a difference in wattage you’d expect it to be louder, have more headroom and exploit the harmonic nuances of the instrument better than the Origin. For the money, it’s a great amp and would make a worthy backup. In the context of a mix on a gig, I bet the audience wouldn’t know the difference and would love it!

[@bobr1066]

Origin 50h I have has super headroom, much more than the 20. Glad you are going to do a 50 to 50 comparison

[@MrPolevaulter]

I have no idea when that will be. They still haven't got the 50 watt head at the shop...

[@marcusl.9634]

I Just play The Origin 50 Combo and this sounds great. I think you are testing the 20 Watt Origin, isnt it? The 20 Watt Origin is not good.

[@MrPolevaulter]

I tried the 50 as well later, and there's not a big difference. They do a good job for the price I'd say.

[@marcusl.9634]

@@MrPolevaulter i Play it with a Gibson SG and i Think with a Humbucker Guitar the Origin sounds mutch. Better. And i use a Marshall Govonor OD Pedal, this compare perfekt to this amp .

[@giulionightfall]

Hi I often watch the videos on your channel. However I don't understand much English, I only understood 30% of what you said. I want to buy this amplifier. I understand English only if written, I wanted to ask you what do you think about the amplifier? Does it have a warm vintage sound? You can give me a summary of your opinion. I have the option to buy a laney vh 100 r or bugera T50, can it be better than marshall origin 50? i look for a malmsteen sound.

[@MrPolevaulter]

The Origin 50 is OK. You can get close to the Malmsteen sound with it. I think it's much better than the T50. Haven't tried the Laney.

[@merkn247]

I see you get groovier with the overdrive brotha much love

[@MrPolevaulter]

Thanks :)

[@garykcarpenter]

IMO..Origin sounds more like A JTM45 than a plexi...still sounds better than spending the extra $1550, unless of course you have the moolah!

[@MrPolevaulter]

I know what you mean.

[@motorrebell]

Origin 20 is perfect for a Clubgig - much more portablitiy - Far more Value for less money too .

[@josefmangele]

and yes it's perfect, i practice in home and play with the band and live shows, a great pedal platform

[@bbbro34]

Huge difference. One can hear the Origin, but one FEELS a Plexi. Good demo.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Absolutely. And thanks :)

[@hoosierdaddy2308]

Catching up on your older videos. Wow, that 50 watt plexi and Fender overdrive just sounded so much better to me. Although the Origin sounded ok, except much harsher and noisey to me. Your playing was great.. The Yngwie stuff sounded killer, and I usually don't like the tone of single coils, or stacked singles. I'm a huge humbucker guy. Just personal preference from growing up and listening to Thin Lizzy, Aerosmith, Gary moore, John Sykes, Ted Nugent, etc. 😛 More is more. 😛😉

[@MrPolevaulter]

Haha :D Cheers :)

[@peterschaefer1665]

When cranked the 50 watter sounds like all top end. Sorry I like the the Origin better.

[@MrPolevaulter]

No need to apologize 😊

[@massimozirilli3282]

I dream about a world where guitarists put demo without any 250bpm circus lick.

[@hipsterblackmetal124]

I'm getting the Origin 50 Watt Head.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Cool! Just did a review of it.

[@hrzayas]

I like much more the sound of the Origin in the video, more creamy sounding, plexi is harsh sounding

[@charlesramosjr.1904]

I love getting these videos first thing in the morning, Elmo. It's always good to hear from you and your reviews are always great bro and very enjoyable. Who needs science? This is rock and roll so just grab it and growl like you do. I wish I could help on Patron but I'm a broke ass Ironworker what can't work iron but if you ever need a roadie brother I work for peanuts. Just ask my editor he'll tell you. LOL

[@MrPolevaulter]

Mmm...peanuts :D

[@nathansealey6270]

I disagree on the statement on quality control, the only difference between the uk made Marshalls & the Vietnam made Marshall is literally geographical, (they’re cheaper models do use mdf over ply but in the past even their cheaper uk made models used mdf). Marshall do not sublet there designs to other factories they own they own factories both in China (where the parts for both the uk & Vietnam made Marshall are made such as transformers pcbs etc) & again in Vietnam its literally their own factory. Try not to listen to negatively biased hear say as they have only moved their production to Vietnam to keep their prices competitive, Marshall is simply losing out on sales with their mid range amplifiers hence the move, it has nothing to do with quality but with price point marketing, if they were uk made you would expect to pay much higher prices then current retail. Great channel by the way & sorry for the post.

[@MrPolevaulter]

No worries :)

[@aquilarossa5191]

1987X has more headroom. The 6V6s in the Origin are saturating more to my ear. They have a different character to EL-34s and that shows when they are clipping. it reminds me of a Fender Champ pushed hard. My guess is that the 50 watt origin would be more like the 1987x Not sure about made in Vietnam being an issue for quality. Marshall DSL amps made in England had non stop issues, but the new DSL amps made in Vietnam seem to be holding up well. I also had a Marshall 1959RR that only lasted one day before it blew up. I replaced it with a 1980s JCM 800 that was rock solid. My Laney is made in Asia and so far so good.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Aquila Rossa Not sure about the whole Vietnam thing either, but it's a common view. The 50 would have been a better comparison, but they didn't have it in the shop.

[@toreknutsen7251]

Origin has EL-34.....

[@MrPolevaulter]

Tore Knutsen Just Googled it. You're right.

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

The comparison is a joke! Comparing a 20 watt to a 50 watt!! Secondly the Plexi has had the upper mids pumped up. I owned a late 60's 50 watt for years I now have the Origin 50 which is voiced like original I used to own. Is there a difference. Yes ...but if the original gets a score of 10 for the sound of the Origin should get a 9!!!! Go for it buy the )Origin 50 H you will not regret it!

[@geetarbube]

Paul Ewing The Origin isn't supposed to sound like the 1987x. It's more late 60s based, like you said, while the 87x is based o. 70s Marshalls.

[@AndyK.23]

Cool demo! The Origin sounds like a decent Marshall to me. At volume, I'm sure the 1987x will blow a 20 watt Origin out the window! Nice "I'll See The Light Tonight" action!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Andy K Thanks 😊

[@MrTyphoontyphoon]

hi buddy ! i have a question please, is the 1987 X 50 watts is loud enough for rehearsal and gig ? sounds big ballsed, but never tried . what are your thoughts please ? thank you !

[@MrPolevaulter]

It's very loud indeed. Definitely loud enough :D

[@MrTyphoontyphoon]

@@MrPolevaulter cool :) thank you friend !

[@acerob7173]

Hi. And the Origin 20 ?

[@koalasoup332]

Dude you crack me up! I love your videos!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Thanks :)

[@RandyFricke]

The first thing one must do with the 1987X is to clip that bright cap on the bright volume pot. Second is to jumper the channels. That's the trick to getting the most out of the plexis. i'd buy a Bugera 1960 before I would buy an Origin.

[@MrPolevaulter]

I tried jumpering the channels, but I like it more with just the bright channel.

[@KM-tg5km]

I owned the first 50w head origin to hit UK stores and was the first to eBay mine. I had such anticipation for it but although not a bad amp, it was bland even through my beloved 70's greenbacks. I was disappointed. Same with the dsl40cr. Shocking harsh amp. I love Marshalls but these latest offerings aren't getting close to the quality of tone of the reissues let alone the originals. A shame and I know price counts for a lot but I expected more.

[@MrPolevaulter]

I've yet to try the 50, but I must admit I am a bit sceptical. I remember the old TSL and DSL lines, and I really disliked them. I don't know if the new DSL is better.

[@philhood4604]

My 50 Watt combo has a faulty speaker output. It is going back to be repaired

[@MrPolevaulter]

Phil Hood Sorry to hear. Hope it comes back in working order.

[@etienne1062]

Hi ! Thank you for that comparison, i waited for that kind of video to appear eaggerly and i'm surprised that so few were done so far... I think something went wrong though. The Origin sound different than your first video on it (in a really bad way). My hypothesis is that you let the boost turned on the whole time without noticing it. That boost just clashes with your OD. To anyone reading, please compare those samples: OD on first video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGO8fH2Bp72DppI OD in this video 8:42 ( 7:48 for plexi). Clean boosted in first video (adds mud and lot of bass): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGO8fH2Bp72DppI Clean in this video : 10:20 (looks like it's boosted) Clean vs boosted clean in first video : kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGO8fH2Bp72DppI That's too bad because comparing these amps was a great idea, but it seems that it is biased. You did not touch the setting on the origin to try and match the sound, maybe something was wrong there as well... Anyway, i'm curious to know if people think the same by listening to the bits i mentionned... I feel like this amp might not be that far off from the plexi.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Hi Etienne! One thing that was different was mic placement. I placed the mic quite far back to pick up both cabs equally. That will affect the sound dramatically. The only control I'd touched was the tilt, and that was to match it as closely as I could to the Plexi. The boost was the same if I remember correctly. I just did try dialing in a better sound, because I really wanted it to work (I'd bought it after all to serve a purpose, not just to review). I still think it's not a bad amp, but that it doesn't really compare to the Plexi.

[@etienne1062]

@@MrPolevaulter Thanks for giving these infos ;) The jury is still out for this amp... I guess I'll have to try it myself at some point ! Have you tried the new DSL series? Some people are saying it can sound plexi-ish. In the end, I think I'd be better off saving money for an actual Plexi reissue. As close as any amp will sound, it will never be THE sound that the Plexi delivers...

[@MrPolevaulter]

I haven't tried it, so I wouldn't know. I've heard good things about it though.

[@davedynamite77]

Elmore I don't care what anyone thinks, but a 20watt amp will compress more because it has less headroom, the plexi is 50watts...that a serious amount of volume. Gor avtube akp.Those 50 watters were made for the stage because too many people were gong deaf with the 100watt plexi...unless it's in a arena...is there anyway to demo the 50 watt...there should a better volume comparison. .nice video...peace my friend...from NYC!!

[@MrPolevaulter]

Thanks :)

[@lmtsonic6117]

The 50w plexiglass wasn't developed as a smaller sibling of the 100w to prevent people from going deaf. That much you should care about...

[@TheTimRamone]

Tosi hyvä video ja vertailu! Origin kuulosti tässä jotenkin siltä, kuin koira yrittäisi haukkua sukka suussa. 87 taasen oli kirkas leikkaava ja mahtava kuten aina. Jatka samaan malliin!

[@MrPolevaulter]

TheTimRamone Kiitos 😊

[@vintagetone22]

its not a fair comparison at all. the origin is 20 watts and the plexi is a monster.also you didnt set the tilt control on the origin.and i think you used the boost channel on the origin ,so no its not a fair comparison.

[@MagisterTuomo]

I could go with the Origin purely because of the option to have a clean sound. Other than that it clearly loses in all aspects to the Plexi. Would be great to see a similar comparison with the 50w. My guess is it would get closer to that mean Plexi-sound. But for a homesetup connecting to maybe a 1x12 in the bedroom, that would be kinda awesome.

[@MagisterTuomo]

I meant the 20w to a 1x12.

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

It does ...I owned a REAL 50 watt late 60's Plexi and the difference to the Origin 50 is minimal!

[@angelspeak13]

It’ll take a few years, but they’ll get better because the builders in Vietnam will get better. Just like how PRS and their SE line of guitars got steadily better.

[@MrPolevaulter]

Joseth Radiant You're probabaly right.

[@peterschaefer1665]

Buy two and run in stereo...then you will have a spare if one goes down. Still only spending a fraction of the cost.

[@OgamiItto70]

Interesting, isn't it? That 50W Plexi sounds huge compared to the Origin to me. I wonder if a 1959 would sound as much bigger than the 1987 as the 1987 sounds bigger than the Origin? I kind of doubt it. Louder, maybe, but I think the comparable quality of the 1959 and 1987 is closer than the quality of the Origin.

[@OgamiItto70]

I think anyone who wants a 50-watt Plexi but can't afford the $2,000 bucks or so should look into Ceriatone Amps. They're reasonably priced and are well-made from great components and have a great reputation.

[@justmehere6094]

I've watched vids from you where BOTH amps sounded better, particularly your review of the Origin. Not sure what you did, mic, mic placement, speaker cab used, something.

[@castleanthrax1833]

I don't really think it's fair to compare a 20 watt amp, to a 50 watt amp that costs 4 times the price. When you do that, you're always going to be disappointed. Take the Origin 20 for what it is, which is a more affordable amplifier which is quite good, considering you're not forking out 2k.

[@rikiwakwak]

50 pounds of rings, necklaces and chest hair, and you'll be ready to "unleash the fury" ; ) rock on

[@MrPolevaulter]

:D

[@johnnorth9355]

Okay switching cabs definitely made a difference - the plexi cab much darker than the origin one (different speakers ?). The origin is definitely not as refined as the plexi but has a more modern type of 'brittle' sound. That's what my ancient ears could make out but that's from someone who has sat beneath many a PA stack at concerts large and small when noise outputs were not regulated :-) . Just a thought but perhaps you should keep the facials the same for a proper comparison (he he :-) ).

[@MrPolevaulter]

Hi John, The cabs were actually identical, although one has been played more than the other. Also, one was on wheels, and the other one wasn't, which will make mic placement different for the cabs (as it was only one mic).

[@johnnorth9355]

My wife tells me I better start sounding different when I end up with wheels :-) . Sadly not long now as heart disease and diabetes take their toll but until then it's only rock and roll all the way !

[@MrPolevaulter]

John North Sorry to hear about your health issues. But yeah, rock on to the end 😊

[@raibard8886]

Fun to watch video! Thank you

[@MrPolevaulter]

And thank you :)

[@MichaelMoore-od4jz]

love your videos great job

[@imunchienandalusia]

good player! thanks for the vid. I'm debating an Origin 50 or a Friedman Runt. The Marshall is so much cheaper and has power scaling. btw that plexi sounds killer. And they look cool too.

[@MrPolevaulter]

And thank you for the kind words. How much is the Friedman? The Plexi is great :)

[@imunchienandalusia]

it's about $1700 USD - little steep for my level of playing but all the Nashville guys love it. Your Plexi sounds killer tho!