Marvel's Spider Man 2 - One Year Later

[@GameOverloadMO]

What did you think of Spider-Man 2? Let me know! Also remember to join the Discord here discord.gg/5xFsFjZR and Instagram here! instagram.com/ozzyovld/

[@marcusclark1339]

3:20 nah its cause its apparent why she was shoved in so much in the game even with replaying missions u have to go through it so its in no way avoidable, same reason they butchered her characterization to force her in the plot token strong female character for ESG money, same to silver sable last game to a wine aunt look and even black cat to a lesser degree, its all deliberate

[@SplendidSuperman122]

Hard to believe this game’s already been out a year. I think the first game had a better story but I loved the Symbiote powers and refined gameplay of 2 and the boss fights were all pretty epic. The Evolved Suit they make Miles wear for the finale is hot trash though-

[@Steel-101]

Oh the toothpaste suit? Lol 😂. Yeah I always change it. I can’t take it seriously when Peter & Miles are beating the daylights out of Venom in the Sky lol 😂

[@Milothemighty10]

@@Steel-101 that suit really did look like toothpaste…

[@SplendidSuperman122]

@@Steel-101At least you can change it in New Game +

[@Steel-101]

@@Milothemighty10 I think the suit would be fine if it was mainly black & red, with a nice black hood. No twizzler hair. The vanilla suit feels like a mix of a Colgate and Twizzler ad. Which would be a hilarious mix, now that I think about it lol 😂

[@Steel-101]

@@SplendidSuperman122 Oh yeah, major win in that department 👍🏼

[@ravenbeast8639]

The thing is: Eddie Brock is a big dude in the comics and that's why Venom looks like a huge monster. Harry on the other hand is a scrawny little sick kid and his version of Venom should look a bit different at least in terms of his appearance!!

[@Ed_Crane]

Brian Intihar said in a recent interview that they were pressed directly by people from Marvel (not Sony) to release the game for October although it was not finished and so he admitted they had to cut a lot of unfinished stuff, particularly regarding Venom and the 3rd act overall, and he said he was very frustrated by how the game ended up being story wise after all these cuts So at least we know it wasn’t just bad writing EDIT : Look for a video called “Insomniac fumbled Spiderman 2”, the podcast/interview is in it 👍

[@PattyPrince-gr3gz]

Where did he say this?

[@Ed_Crane]

@@PattyPrince-gr3gz Look for a video that’s called “Insomniac fumbled Spiderman 2”, and within it (about 3 minutes in), there’s the interview

[@Ed_Crane]

@@PattyPrince-gr3gz Look for a video called Insomniac fumbled Spiderman 2, there’s the podcast/interview init

[@Paulo-i9h]

Where and when did he say this?

[@asafakiva1619]

Good to know I don’t think the story was outright trash and it actually had solid moments here and there, but insomniac indeed needed a bit more time to cook for it to gain it’s full potential I’m playing the game for the 2nd time now for better understanding and retrospective

[@Solo13508]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you can only encounter Miles while playing as Peter. I've personally never seen Peter in the wild while playing as Miles.

[@Steel-101]

@@Solo13508 you do see Peter while you’re playing as Miles. However for some odd reason the city map wants you to constantly meet wraith. Plus another rare encounter is Harry/agent venom. I’ve met him a couple of times with Peter & Miles.

[@TheOnlyTaps]

You can meet Peter but I think it depends on which sections of the story you are in coz sometimes they'll lean you into more of the other encounters for the side missions

[@jedtheblerd]

Post game Miles never runs into Peter because he’s supposed to be taking a break. But you can run into Peter during the main story.

[@Gamesnvibes]

I feel like when you’re playing as miles at the endgame it’s locked to the default ending as in the part where Peter is taking a break and stuff like that.. doesn’t matter if you played as Peter and then switch to miles. cuz true in endgame playing as miles I don’t even see Peter at all only wraith even if I switch between them

[@shamarmcpherson1222]

Skill issue

[@anthonybarnes706]

I don’t care, the original will always be the greatest in my opinion. The most organic, authentic, traditional spider man interactive experience.

[@SonnySantana2099]

Ehh. There r pros n cons of both

[@Truekingr6]

It's a REAL Spider-Man experience, it praises spiderman and all his History. Spider-Man 2 does its best to sht on spider-man and and not in a good way like sam raimis Spiderman 2

[@MrAjking808]

@@Truekingr6nostalgia lol stop it

[@DJSkywalker716]

Gameplay wise, this game was far superior where I can't enjoy the first as much. Story wise, it's heavily disappointing. I enjoyed when I was playing it but looking back it was so much promise with little actual pay off.

[@SonnySantana2099]

Facts man. Too true

[@EternalNightingale]

Gameplay wise I much prefer the first cause of the all the gadgets you can mix and match throughout combat kinda like Batman Arkham , other than swinging being much faster, combat is far superior in the first game and suit abilities are not in 2 in favor of spider arms and symbiotic abilities, what a downgrade imo

[@garyjones7721]

At first glance, this game is quite entertaining. However, upon closer examination of certain aspects of the story or taking the time to explore the map thoroughly instead of rushing through it, the entire game appears to unravel.

[@MrSpartan993]

Exactly.

[@frostycane5134]

Yep it feels…. Empty . I recently replied ultimate Spider-Man ( fuck you jonny storm) and that game felt more alive to me than Spider-Man 2 after the story ends

[@TheRealBillix]

First game was the same.... Insomniac should shame their eyes out... Established in 1994, pulling roughly 500mill a year, multiple beloved franchises and they had to copy an 8 year old game and implement sub-college level dumb AI.

[@johnnguyen9136]

The fact Sony rushed Insomniac to finish this game to the 2023 makes me glad they didn't win any awards for this game. And the fact that the game isn't getting any DLC continues to disappoint me to this day. Here's hoping they make up for it with the Venom spin off and Spider-Man 3

[@morris01]

Sony didn’t rush them. Brian Intihar himself said that he went to Sony saying they weren’t gonna meet the deadline, and the reason they didn’t meet the deadline is because insomniac put missions in the game nobody wanted. Sony gave them 5 years and 315 million dollars and this is what they gave us: MJ missions AGAIN A mission where you ride bikes and go through a high school flashback A mission where you walk through a science lab A mission where you play carnival games A mission where you do nothing but spray paint on walls Meanwhile they give us a shitty story, poor characterization, and the gameplay was fun sure but they didn’t innovate much. I mean for fuck’s sake Intihar admitted he was willing to cut out content to make space for MJ missions and he didn’t care if she was OP, yet y’all still blame Sony??? I like shitting on Sony when deserved but y’all gotta start holding them accountable. This game was underwhelming in almost every area of the game, and THAT is why it won nothing at the game awards

[@smartestcat04]

​@@morris01no the game had 3 years first of all, the mj missions were pretty dull I understand but the harry and peter sequences actually help us build some type of bond with harry, just like the first game with otto, same thing with the carnival games in Coney Island. The side mission with the spray paint u are pretty right there. Overall the story imo is great, its not as good as the first game but it definitely isnt shit as there are some great elements about it. Combine that with the much improved gameplay and traversal, bigger open world and for me this game was better than the original

[@QuintenTerrell]

​@@morris01dude I was so mad they didn't give us ENOUGH action in a ACTION video game like Miles could've had a whole arc to himself as a carnage miles

[@QuintenTerrell]

​@@smartestcat04I wish they brung back suit powers tho😭

[@saltycomet]

💯

[@foggy9624]

I still think Venom should have actually been Kraven, I thought all the stuff about Venom looking for the strongest host and all the stuff about healing sickness was setting this up perfectly. Would've also made the final act of the game be a culmination of all parts of the story and make Venom seem like a genuinely unbeatable opponent

[@joahm1297]

Yeah, I had that same thought, too! That way, Kraven could've been the same threat, but the symbiote saw him as a stronger host compared to Peter! It would've worked perfectly, and they have Harry staying sick and Osborn looking for a cure for him for the next game. I also wish they would've had Carnage as the secret ending so that way it could've pushed for the next game as well or made it a DLC? Either way, they could've hinted at the Osborn or Harry being the green goblin or hobgoblin but also added his symbiote form the Red Goblin.

[@MrAjking808]

That would make no sense

[@foggy9624]

@@MrAjking808 ok mate 👍

[@buckylarson339]

The issue is just an overall lack of content. We don’t need a 100 hour game (i’d love that tho), but only 31 missions and some of them are basically just cutscenes? Hear me out, more main story missions = more developed plot lines. More side quests = more sub plots/boss battles.

[@koushash9765]

I think Harry dying would've ruined Peter's arc. Him dying would've been the same ending as the first game. The whole game and story was about balance and greater, together. This also showed Peter that he can take time away from Spider-Man to heal and focus on himself. What would be the point of the story and Peter's arc and everything that happened to him if he just keeps on losing no matter what? We saw how much he was struggling and grieving and blaming himself mainly because of May. Harry dying would've erased all that and he would've been in the same place that he was at the beginning of the game. It looks like Insomniac's Peter is going to be the first actual adaptation of him outside of comics that will actually have a happy ending that he deserves. After 10 years of being Spider-Man and all the sacrifices and losses he endured Miles showing him that with him around things can be better if they are together. Also a side note, EMF job was so massive that it was actually a choice between that and being Spider-Man. They could've done all kinds of miracles like curing cancer for humanity. I also think that this whole thing should tie into "With great power comes great responsibility". Peter has the power to change the world and make millions of lives better because of his brain and the stuff he can do with EMF, therefore he should have the responsibility to take on it as well especially when Miles can save NYC while Peter can save people worldwide. Great video overall. Always enjoy your content!

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Its spiderman friends or family dying come with the story

[@chrisville004]

They put more time in effort into Mary Jane then making venom a good villain

[@trevorleming8734]

The way I see it, even though I don't really care for the MJ missions, I feel like they were needed to carry the story along. I would have loved more Venom in the game but I think Insomniac is using that part of the story to get us ready for the standalone game.

[@sortacoolmaybe]

Mary Jane is objectively a more important character to Spider-Man than venom

[@chrisville004]

@@sortacoolmaybe that would be true but in this game venom is Harry his best friend and we don’t get to explore that dynamic enough

[@chrisville004]

@@trevorleming8734 hopefully but there’s 2 spider-men and 2 major spidey villains in this game that don’t get the time they need to flesh out their stories making Mary Jane the focus is insane to me we literally play as her so much in the first game she could’ve taken a back seat

[@trevorleming8734]

@@chrisville004 I totally agree. I think we will get more venom soon but I do wish we got more Kraven because I really dig that villain.

[@loopylinguini5910]

I realized the other day that kraven is played by the same actor as boozer in Days Gone and now I just see boozer when I look at him

[@DAYMAND3R3552]

I knew I had heard that voice before plus he looks like him but I just couldn’t put my finger on it. Also Days Gone is fantastic I loved it.

[@jeremythomaswebb1485]

Fun fact: Both Peter and Harry's voice actors have played different iterations of Ben Tennyson from Ben 10. Peter's Voice Actor Yuri as many people will know by now played the teen version of Ben from Alien Force onwards. While Harry's Voice Actor Graham played the live action version of 10 year old Ben in the Race Against Time film.

[@Kwayjie]

i really wish there was rescue missions like saving people from buildings that are falling or new variations of crimes. spiderman is so much more than just clobbering thugs.

[@Mikedaboss123]

The same problems you explained towards the end of this video is exactly why Spiderman 2 was under whelming. It got nothing to do with the look of Mary Jane face . We got a rushed 20 hour game with no dlc .

[@MrIrdatlan]

There ARE some visual bugs, atleast one place on the map that just slows you down for no reason, when you gotta save someone its always the same ugly dude. But the game itself is Just better than the ones before, They DIDNT have to do us dirty, and announce this late that there wont be a DLC for the game and that they already stopped caring about it.

[@nickb6425]

23:37 overlook the raft? Don't you mean.. oversea the raft? 😏

[@Jwigley06]

1 year ago is insane I remember preordering it like it was yesterday

[@kisnyirati]

I absolutely loved this game and I managed to platinum it on the first playthrough...and this made me think back in the day. When I played the first game it took me two playthroughs for 100% with all the DLCs and the highest difficulty and EVEN after that, I have finished and 100%-ed the game for the third time before the sequel with all the ingame achievements and side tasks and every single thing it had to offer... I was obsessed.. But with Spidey 2, I only played it and finished it once. And it was spectacular, It was amazing, It was ultimate, It was superior....but still not as captivating for some reason. It is still has a very special place in my heart, but I might prefer 1 over 2, ever so slightly. One personal negativity about he new game is that Peter doesn't have the OG face that I have got attuned and used to for the first one or two months. I am the dude who refuses to play the next gen version of the first game because of the faceswap...but I digress. Despite the face, the game is still awesome... I know the explanation behind the choice, but I still don't understand the real reason, because it doesn't make sense. But it happened with Max Payne or Chris Redfield and such characters... but here, it feels different...

[@TheSteedMuffin]

They should have never changed the face

[@Sus_Bak]

I still get jumpscared by Mary to this Day 😰

[@dani3po]

As with any other woman, since you don't see them very often.

[@HorseJoint]

Even though this game didn’t get ANY DLC whatsoever. Probably because of ALL the Leaks, it had to be. I still found it to be a Great & really fun game. 8/10

[@Nightlizard1564]

Probably one of the most fair assessments I’ve seen for the game soo far. I still liked it but it definitely has a lot of problems they could’ve fixed. The game officially has less content than the first game, story gets dragged down by its third act, and there’s a lot of things that was cut during it’s development which arguably would’ve made the game better

[@cubertzero]

I wholeheartedly love all three games and have no complaints on Spider-Man 2. Any shortcomings are small enough in my mind to pay them no attention. All three games are ones I’ll continue to play every year or every other year.

[@vallnezz]

You can not say you lobe the Game with youre heart and than play it once a year

[@cubertzero]

@@vallnezz absolutely I can. Most games I play once and then never again, there are too many games out there for me to replay every game I love over and over.

[@r1chl_ezz]

@@vallnezzjust because you love a game doesn’t mean you don’t have play it every day

[@purefoldnz3070]

3:29 this guy does have a similar Jaw line to Mary Jane

[@dani3po]

Jaw-line Incel detected.

[@maad2]

3:40 I don’t think people really mad about how “mj looks. it’s her mission followed by miles gf mission, then walking missing just to get a 8 minute cutscene then walk some more. the house clean up mission the school mission, the bike missions. The fact mj character got weird/girl boss and was about to shoot peter. Should’ve added different ways to web swing should’ve added a DLC

[@marcusclark1339]

they're not but he can't admit that or else be labeled "deviant" for not towing the line the more one knows on insomniac leaks the more apparent why MJ was butchered in this game in both design, face, gameplay and her entire characterization

[@dustinvicary3715]

I never understood the hate for this game. I can understand and even get behind some of the criticisms thrown around, but I thought this game was freaking AWESOME. I think about how much I like it quite often. It's upsetting that there are no DLCs, and I understand peoples frustration with that, but I think that just shows how much people truly enjoyed this game. So much so that they are downright pissed there isn't more content in the form of DLC.

[@differeut]

this is very true. i feel like collective hate online is definitely forced. and it's only apparent in social media.

[@OmarO_721]

I feel like the toxicity of this game got even worse, when Baldur’s Gate 3 won GOTY, and fans of both games started to riot. Like these two are great games, and of completely different genres. I really hated watching people tear down turn based combat, or critique Spider Man 2’s story. They are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES! And the comparisons made no sense to me

[@eli2210]

Not that I agree with them as I really enjoy this game but you have to understand not everything with akin to everyone and critique is not the same as criticism as many many people get the two confused. An example could be like why Harry has the symbiote suit instead of Eddie where Eddie has always been the one to have it. He even played a huge role in becoming more of an anti hero to full hero taking down Knull, becoming stronger with venom over all and such. For the game it makes sense as it’s this story’s world version of what is happening. But overall it’s always been Eddie and he’s never even mentioned. He could appear in the 3rd game so who knows. Scorpion and Vulture dying also kind of sucked but it makes Kraven more fearsome. Another criticism is the face swaps which honestly are understandable. We grew with the original Mary and Peter faces and not everyone will play the remake of spider man ps4. So to see different faces on characters they loved and got to know is also a b it of a “who are these people I don’t know them”. It’s unfair to say the faces are perfect or better than the original because growth wise the first appearances of Mary and Peter are what people collectively know and again, not everyone will replay the first game. Peter’s face is also changed for Miles game. These are valid critique arguments but people take them as criticism

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

My issue is that it shouldn’t have been a debate. This should have been the best, EASILY THE BEST! Venom-Harry has so much potential and baggage to be a hard villain for Peter. Spiderman 3 is heavily influential on modern culture and everyone wanted to see “Bully Peter”. And we only got 1 scene. Venom got 80%+ of his lines cut! This game is full of wasted potential!

[@AJ_Jingco]

My Rankings for both the Arkham & Spider-Man Games; 7. Batman: Arkham Asylum (2009) 6. Spider-Man: Miles Morales (2020) 5. Batman: Arkham Origins (2013) 4. Marvel's Spider-Man (2018) 3. Batman: Arkham City (2011) 2. Marvel's Spider-Man 2 (2023) 1. Batman: Arkham Knight (2015)

[@jordanwillis7316]

Ok

[@konarkaron7139]

7. Miles Morales 6. Asylum 5. Spider-Man 2 4. Origins 3. Knight 2. Spider-Man 1. City

[@jinsungyuu8365]

7. Asylum 6. Miles Morales 5. Origins 4. City 3. Knight 2/1. SM1/SM2

[@matthew721199]

No way in hell sm2 is better than asylum 😂

[@joyfulgamer10]

Honestly I feel like venom really hurts this story for me, it feels weaker for it. I still love this game but as for some parts of the story (all venom stuff) I just didn't feel it.

[@QuintenTerrell]

A KZbinr felt the same, he said that venom should've been for sm3 and have this game build up the hate that Harry gets for peter

[@SCF721]

The game tried to tell 3 stories that each could have used their own game and crammed them into one.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Its the same for me I was already sick of Venom in general and outside of harry becoming Venom they didnt really do anything different with venom

[@just1randomguy658]

Such a shame too. They got the voice and design spot on. Unfortunately those were the only things they got spot on. If this was just a Black Suit story instead of rushing the arc to get to Venom, they could've been able to do *both* a lot better.

[@STT1998]

Agree to almost all your points. BUT the MJ thing is more than weird her chin and kung fu is so strong, it breaks any emersion and is such a clear "modern" culture war influence it only breaks that said emersion to the game and the world it has built. Forcing the player ask why is it even there. That kinda "weird" stuff is always so odd that it really messes with the long term memories of the game, replacing all the good things that SHOULD be the core memories you have of the game. That said that "weird" crap does not make the game bad it just hurts it for no reason and undercuts all the other stuff it does so well. There are several examples of this in the game feeling like the force agenda stuff was from a whole different team than the ones who made the other 80% of the game.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

It ruins the stealth mechanics and while we all hated them in the first game. I liked the sense of fear I had as Mj because she is a nomal person in a dangerous situation. That and she is doing her job.

[@Solo13508]

While I think the story (particularly the third act) could've used some more time in the oven I think this was a very worthy sequel nonetheless. Blows the prior two entries away from a gameplay perspective. And even with the way too quick pacing of the third act the story was still compelling in my opinion with the highlights being Peter's struggle with the Symbiote and Miles's inner conflict on how to deal with the trauma caused by Martin Li.

[@Steel-101]

@@Solo13508 I think one of the best things in the story is how Venom is pretty much a consequence of the flaws of 4 characters: Peter, Harry, Kraven, & Norman. The suit itself is evil but it wasn’t that strong. These 4 characters gave it more strength. Norman used it without considering the consequences, Peter’s personal frustrations in life gave it fuel, Harry’s anger towards Peter & his fear of death(not being able to fulfill his mothers dream. Not caring about the negative effects of the alien), and Kravens obsession with the “final hunt”(which leads to so much death in NYC, the destruction of EMF, & the near death of Peter). All of this madness created this beast. It feels a bit similar to the fib alien in Veggie Tales(I know weird comparison but it’s all I can think of right now lol 😂).

[@Oznerol1234]

The game would have benefited so much from having a longer playtime (main story). Everything felt short and almost impactless. Miles arc with Lee, all of Peter acts were ruined. Some dialogues were bland. Mj missions completely killing the pace.

[@SonnySantana2099]

U never miss solo

[@bmvthemoviefanatic7282]

Personally, while the game obviously isn't perfect, I still can't process how anyone can say it even, or even mid. As someone who played both Spider-Man 2, and then went into Suicide Squad KTJL...The two don't even compare.

[@Milothemighty10]

Internet discourse is getting stranger but channels like this are beacons of Hope of course not everyone acts like a five-year-old but still it’s hard to avoid…

[@aidna042]

9:07 actually if you're playing as miles, peter won't assist you in fights, it only happens if you're playing as peter

[@kuro5041]

Saying the criticism is mainly about MJ is such an insane cherry pick lmao. Forced politics aside most complaints come from the god awful story, terrible dialogue, no repeatable content, empty end game, atrocious side quests-aside from 2, cut content in favour of MJ missions, Peter’s incompetence, drastically dumbed down gameplay, repeated suits-matter of fact miles has a more vast selection of symbiotes than Peter does, WHY? Furthermore the villains are ruined in this game, Kraven has his goons hunt more than he does, they could’ve gone with Kravens last hunt comic and have him in the symbiote rather than Harry because at least venom would have a reason to want to hunt Pete. Instead he offscreens the rogues and then dies himself leaving us with a terrible version of venom who doesn’t even know what it wants. Then to top it off Harry doesn’t even die so Norman being as mad as he is doesn’t even make sense since Connor’s already told them he had no chance to survive-SO PETER DID WHAT NORMAN ASKED. If it was Kraven and by getting rid of the venom suit he caused kraven to die there would’ve been something there because instead of being alone his friends and family were there to help him move past it.

[@frostycane5134]

This, this right here is true fan. Only someone who wants the best for the game will notice these problems

[@addaboyshankle]

…you do realize he didn’t suggest that the main criticism of the game was just because of MJ’s face change, right? His initial point at the start of the video was targeting those that specifically denounce the game purely because of the face change. Towards the latter half of the video, he’s actually pretty critical overall, and goes over a lot of the points you brought up here in this comment. Just because he says positive things about the game doesn’t mean his opinions are invalid.

[@talhaiqbal6798]

@@frostycane5134 This is just a list of complaints from someone who's never content.

[@talhaiqbal6798]

God awful take.

[@JASONCULE-j3u]

Idk if you’ve been living under a rock but the face model for this game literally got harassed, so yeah it was a major complaint and it was pathetic. Also there is no forced politics if you actually step outside in the real world. It’s not like they made Peter gay. As for Peter’s incompetence, the game couldn’t make it more clear how much May’s death still had an impact on him. The symbiote literally elevates his guilt about losing her and moulds it into him not being a good enough Spider-Man. As for the main villain, Harry could have still worked if they simply just made his motivation about killing Peter Parker. If they adapted Kraven’s Last Hunt ppl would just call it uninspiring

[@danieljuries9473]

Even though people say the third act is rushed and everything,I dont really feel that whenever i watch the story. Looking at it from an actual time perspective,It may not have been as long as i thought it would be but the actual contents of the story is what makes me like it anyway. Peter only has the Symbiote for 8 or so missions but what they do with the Symbiote in that time saves the shortness of it for me. Same with Harry becoming venom and the Symbiote invasion.

[@QuintenTerrell]

MJ beats the symbiote just like that, miles never gets a symbiote, peter gets the symbiote off early in the game, venom doesn't hate peter, not enough time to even build up any interactions to even know Harry as a character

[@NewOverlord]

Spider-Man 2 is a overhated game in my opinion.

[@Jaffyhigh]

That's what I've been saying like people are making it seem like it's the end of the world and are already giving up on insomniac, like yes the second had some flaws just like the first in its own way was the story better in spiderman 1 than 2 yes, like no game is a masterpiece but it was still great nonetheless

[@LittleGoblinJR]

​@@Jaffyhigh Except RDR2.

[@Klef_Takis]

It was a good game, but it couldve been much better, first one is still the best I agree its overhated though

[@firedragonmcqueen]

You can also get commentary from both miles and Peter if you go in to the menu and tell it to play for the photos

[@shomgerry]

I'm 2 months away from playing this on my PC finally. Modders will have a filed day!

[@nick_4972]

One year later and I'm still massively disappointed by this game. Still love the first game.

[@biagiofittipaldi9053]

They kept Harry alive because he’s coming back as Venom for the spin-off. Somehow part of the symbiote is still in his system and is gonna bring him back!

[@pitiedlobster6504]

As someone who didn't really like the gadgets in the first game (mainly because most of them were either one press buttons or made the combat less engaging because of how many enemies you could wipe out with them) I like that this game focuses more on the actual combat and skill tree kind of thing. Revisiting the first game after playing this game kinda made the combat feel empty in comparison, same with the traversal. I may not have liked this story as much as the first game but overall id consider it a better experience for the technical improvements. That being said, hopefully the third game can hit all the eight notes if Insomniac is given the right amount of time.

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

The only one bad thing this sequel has against the previous games is the story, but it is a transitio of how spicy is going to be spiderman 3

[@doorsfan173]

The first game's story was, to me, just better constructed. What happens with Aunt May was such a shock and a pretty bold move. In the comics, something like that has never stuck, so I loved that they really did it. They also really succeeded with Otto's turn to a villain. That was a plot we knew would happen, but man were you still disappointed FOR Peter when he had to go up against this mentor whose work and mission he believed in. The integration of Miles was great too, and it left me excited for his future in the franchise. The integration of the game's version of the Sinister Six was also really well done. The plot for part 2 felt easier to call, and something about it just didn't land as strongly, in large part due to the pacing (for me) and lack of a real "Aunt May" moment. The game had to do a lot of work to build the relationship with Harry (the flashbacks and inability to skip them kinda dampen the replay a bit for me as well tbh). And the path from Harry going from friend to a villain is just too rushed. Kraven also doesn't get enough time in the game. Pete's descent in the black suit also felt quite fast. Everything just moves a bit too quickly in the game for me. I still liked the story overall, but it felt like it had these big moments that lacked the excellent buildup & character work that made it successfully land for me on an emotional level in the first game. It was missing some connective tissue, so to speak. I also feel like there was just something more memorable about the experience of playing the first one, and something about part 2 that just felt more forgettable by contrast.

[@LTJfan]

For me, it's still a good game....storywise and character wise, it's hit-and-miss, but gameplaywise, it's still amazing

[@Motherofdragons4780]

The first game is still my favorite, but I LOVE Spider-Man 2!!!! It's been a little over a year and I'm still not tired of it! Act two is my favorite part in the story, but I do agree that something feels offf about act 3. I wouldn't say Venom was wasted, I enjoyed what we got with him and Tony Todd did a phenominal job as the voice of Venom. R.I.P. Tony! Kraven was definitely NOT wasted!!!! I think he went out exactly how he wanted to! It was awesome and honestly blew my mind! The Kraven boss fight with Venom was actually a little hard for me, but I loved it! The Symbiote built up so much anger towards Kraven during its time with both Harry and Peter that it was just awesome to beat the shit out of him as Venom as well! My favorite boss fight is actually Peter with the Symbiote vs Kraven! I felt Peter's anger during his monologue while you're heading to the mantion to "kill... Kraven"!!! That's my favorite Venom line, and when I first played there was no stopping me after Venom said that! The Symbiote was there throughout the entire game, even when you first see Harry. The Symbiote is learning about Peter and Harry's past, and it first experiences anger when Kraven stabs Peter with that poison blade. Venom himself could've lasted longer in my opinion, but I like that the game focuses more on the fact that we need to get the Symbiote off of Harry. Same with Peter when he thought the suit would cure Harry, and instead it felt betrayed by Peter and so did Harry, so that made Harry become Venom when he got the suit back. I will say I did NOT like miles fighting Venom. He's the one who chose not to stay at Coney Island to spend time with Pete, MJ, and Ganke and get to know Harry a little better. That's what I thought was going to happen. One phone call between them isn't enough to convince me that Miles should fight Venom. There was no emotional connection like their was when Peter fights Venom because Miles and Harry didn't become friends or hardly get to know each other. Miles did admit to his jealousy of Harry which was good I guess, but that wasn't necessary. It was fun, but I didn't like the emotional disconnect. I was personally relieved that Miles revived Harry. I didn't want to see Peter go through that again when he's still dealing with the loss of Aunt May and thinking it's his fault. Of course Norman is still going to be upset with Peter. He told Peter to "save my boy", and in Norman's eyes Peter didn't do that. Yes the Symbiote is off, but Norman just sees his son barely alive and afraid to lose him just like he lost Emily. Maybe Harry will recover somehow and finally get to be a Spider Pal! Miles isn't just gonna sit there and watch Peter cry when he can actually do something about it now. I'm not entirely sure about this because I'm blind and the first game doesn't have audio described cut scenes, but I've heard Miles is around when Aunt May died so I'm sure he didn't want to watch his best friend go through that again. I'm excited to see Green Goblin and Doc Ock because they're my two favorite Spider-Man villains! I don't think they're gonna be a team though. Otto HATES Norman, so I don't think he's just gonna give Peter up. I think he would try to warn Peter, but then see that he's running the EMF and think Peter betrayed him too. Norman actually talked about the EMF in front of Otto in the first game when he pulled their funding.

[@brmawe]

I found Spider-Man 2 to be quite mid, especially compared to the first game. The gameplay improved but I just didn't get that same ah that Spider-Man 1 did so well.

[@firedragonmcqueen]

30:58 his cloths color didn’t change they where like that for a few missions before the symbiote I believe

[@brandogents6624]

The story wasnt very good but i loved the gameplay, i 100% agree that Kraven should have been the only antagonist

[@elih.3093]

While its been a year since the game has been out....im still a fan. Am i upset that theres no Story DLC? A little...however....its not going to surprise me if the devs do what Santa Monica did with GOWR Vallaha in December of last year.... Even though they said they have nothing planned...they haven't said no to adding in more suits.... Heres what im hopeful for in November(PS5 Pro update) A Legacy Suit Pack of all the remaining suits from the first two games with Spider-Cop themed outfits for Peter and Miles A Spiderverse Suit Pack: the rest of the suits that were in Across the Spiderverse 1 Yr Anniversary Suit Pack: a hoodie version of the evolved suit with new suit styles for miles, human spider suit/vigilante suit from the movies for peter, ben reily's sensational suit for peter, vampire hunter suit for Miles, a Prowler/Mysterio themed outfits for Peter Ultimate Spider-Man(1610 and 6160) Identity Crisis Suit Pack Do i think the devs will add these? Id honestly pay actual money for them all.... As always, keep up the delightful work! 😊👍

[@dominicwillis5685]

one year.......... AND IT'S FINNALY COMING TO PC 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@dagon7259]

Seeing your son beaten up and in a coma where youre not even sure will ever wake up so you dont know if you should continue holding hope over a long period of time compared to seeing a corpse where you know theyre gone is very different. For an average person iust the hospital and treatment fees would be astronomical but for norman whats more painful is the amount of effort and time it takes not only to find doctors but to find any possible cure or way to make harry wake up.

[@kokushibo1014]

Of course the first sequence with harry is a nightmare. The way norman acts robotic when he says "im never going to loose you" plus why would he have venom on him before giving it to harry with venom in the tank at the same time ?😂 And to be fair in Norman's perspective it's probably worse to see his son in a coma on the brink of death without the possibility to do much rather than him being dead

[@Steel-101]

Hey it’s a bit of an anniversary for this game and your channel(this game being your first review)! Your channel is awesome man! Also after one year, I still love the story for SM2. All 3 games are great but I still prefer the second story. What stole the show was Peter & Harry’s friendship(with the EMF) and Kravens obsession with his final hunt(leading to a brutal boss fight with Venom). It still bums me out that some parts are rushed but still I can’t stop playing it! Main story(8/10). Overall game(9/10). Same rating I give the first game.

[@smartestcat04]

The game is pretty good i agree

[@jinsungyuu8365]

Both games are 10/10, one isn’t better than the other imo, even without dlc

[@f7or1n]

If the game included most of the side story in the actual story it wouldve been way better

[@jordanwillis7316]

So glad you mentioned that suit they force miles into at the end. It’s so bad it kept me from enjoying a lot of the cutscenes

[@archie156]

I think Spider Man 2 bit off more than it could chew. I felt myself getting overwhelmed with all the constant side missions that by the end of the game I was confused because I hadn’t finished all of them. I felt like maybe they should have made some of the side missions more of the main story and not allow you to progress through the game until they were done.

[@TheSteedMuffin]

It didn’t bite off more than it could chew it was throttled by identity politics

[@BetarayBillLover]

I really love this game alot but I hope Sony learned their lesson about rushing insomniac instead of giving the time they need I hope they let them cook with venom spin off and 3

[@TheClassof_1992]

The story for me was terrible. After having completed the first two games multiple times (sm about 6-7 and miles about 3-4 times) I thought this one was very underwhelming. I know the game was rushed but they really dropped the ball often. I’m sure if the MJ missions were skippable, at least 90% of players would skip them. The Venom arc was bad. Peter turns evil for no other reason than the suit. While normally when Venom comes into Peters life, things are already going bad for him making him feel bad about a lot of things, Venom is there to make him own up those feelings and then go bad. The absence of police never made sense, I know why they did it but still, they’re a major part in spidey’s life. Miles is basically Thor in this game. Other than the traversal, the game is arguably worst than its predecessors.

[@adamdavis1737]

I feel like it's better just as a Spider-Man game when you boil it down to gameplay. And I don't even hate the story, but I do feel like it has a lot of missed potential and was just nowhere near as impactful for me as the first game It is undeniably far more enjoyable to just play though. I wish it had a bit more to do post game other than just run new game plus but either way. The combat is better and the traversal is better. That much alone elevates just about everything else. But they definitely did have some good boss fights too I just think both Kraven and venom are both underutilized in different ways and make the whole thing feel a bit rushed and underwhelming. Both of them are cool and have great screen presents but aren't flushed out enough to make them all that much more interesting beyond that

[@karvatonlurku9810]

While i do think the story has it's pacing issues i still really like this game's story

[@MasterJulz16798]

This game was to rushed in my opinion everything like new Game plus should have been there since launch but don’t get me wrong the gameplay was fun but the collectibles were not the best other than spider bots and the grandpa and Howard mission were memorable but the rest of the game has flaws like venom being rushed right after you fight pete as miles but the kraven story was not to bad but I feel like spider man 3 needs to improve on this game in every way but I ain’t gonna explain all that or I be here forever but yeah the story was all over the place but I really liked the first part with sand man but I don’t think the game is trash but there isn’t nothing to do after the story is done but new game plus was good although all we got were gold items and styles and new suit tech but if I had to rate the game its a 8/10 I just hope spider man 3 will be a better game and improve on everything from this game

[@thefallofranny]

This game was a lot of fun, took me 2 weeks to 100% but after that I haven't touched it since

[@ILIKEV1D3OGAM3S]

I know the dlc got cut from the game, but I feel like they wanted to structure the release of dlc with Beyond the Spiderverse, but with the writers strike and the delay of the movie, they couldn’t do 1/3 of their dlc so they didn’t see a point of pursuing it, so they might push it for a 3rd game

[@ChaosBoi590]

I just think the story would be better if they didn't like make u do the ending like 2 missions after the city got corrupted. So like they could've expanded on the fact that venom was now the main antagonist after Kraven was killed. But instead it just went "ALRIGHT EVERYONE GAMEPLAN" ThIs Is Ur LaSt ChAnCe To UpGrAde BeFoRe tHe EnD of tHe StOrY

[@RiddhenduBiswas]

Is the graphics worse than the first part? Cuz I played the first part on PC, which was the remastered version. Don't know why I feel like the graphics degraded.

[@axdawg334]

Why does time pass by so fast I remember watching DanTDM's gameplay twice and didnt even notice when it was released

[@MutatedGuy]

I like the spider verse interpretation of Miles. Just a kid learning how to use his powers: clumsy, awkward, funny but unsure of himself. I absolutely hated the story and struggled to finish. Spiderman 1 way better. The majority of the suits sucked and nobody bought that terrible dlc skin set.

[@eyoo-qs8xd]

Imagine they would do an multiplayer of this.

[@zachboozer6616]

I agree so much about the third act. I was genuinely loving the story for the first two acts but then the third act just kinda felt like busywork and then the final boss. Still love the game though.

[@SonnySantana2099]

Facts bro. Like everything after playing as venom was such a drop to me. Still enjoyed it but, i literally thought to myself like yo happened

[@zachboozer6616]

@@SonnySantana2099 yeah I wanted to like it so bad but after I beat the game I didn’t have the same satisfaction I had with beating something like GOWR which imo was just masterful all the way through.

[@kuro5041]

Imagine they went with Kraven as venom. Hear me out, Miles helps pete take off the suit and instead while Peter is recovering it goes to Kraven who is dying and reaches out to it since he hasn’t had his wish of dying a warriors death. That’s when we see venom and instead of the kraven boss fight we fight the 2 weakened spidermen and absolutely demolish them. But before venom kills them Kraven stops it because they aren’t at full strength and he doesn’t want that. From there the symbiote preys on Kravens desire to find an equal and uses that to infect the city in guise of recreating Pete, someone strong enough to face him. Kraven would still be obsessed with his idea of a symbiote infected Peter and the symbiote would still be infatuated with Peter, thus having an understandable obsession or we could say that Knull ordered the symbiote to cause an invasion and the symbiote under those orders manipulates Kraven(tho I don’t prefer that really). From there let’s get to the end of the game where pete has to let kraven die to kill venom, that way we get a parallel to the first game where his choice leads to the loss of life but instead it could be that he wanted to redeem himself for may by saving Kraven but was unable to however this time he had his friends to help him heal. At the end of the game we see Harry who basically has been left abandoned same way he was in the original but he actually becomes hateful towards Pete and miles so on his dying breath he tells his dad who the Spidermen. That way Norman will have a good reason to hate them because he knows Peter took the symbiote from Harry and left him to die even though he saw Pete as a son.

[@THE247KOMBATKING]

I just brought marvel spider man 2 and spider man 1 on playstation 5 i cant wait dive into it

[@CinematicSeriesGaming]

I was looking forward to this

[@LittleGoblinJR]

I'm just really surprised about Insomniac's decision to not include DLC in this game, especially after all the plot holes that were left open (Carnage, Chameleon, Spider-Verse, Silk, etc). I guess they must be saving all of this for the third game. Wonder how they're going to pull all of this off at the same time without it feeling kinda forced.

[@seanmars5391]

The one thing that stop this game from perfection is the doubling down by Intihar of the MJ stealth missions and the unnecessary addition of the Hailey side mission. The Venom mission made up for this misfire, though.

[@orionium8]

In my opinion, the biggest problem with the game is that the game tries to promote Miles as the best spider with its plot, which personally pisses me off. The story of the spider symbiote got the wrong ending in that the spider didn't understand that it was necessary to get rid of the symbiote, Miles somehow managed to defeat it and beat all the nonsense out of it. Also this ending where Miles became defibrillator-man and was able to save Harry, while Peter worthlessly cries over him, Peter couldn't even carry him to the ambulance, and in principle Peter can't do anything without Miles, if you remember the moment with the pier and the ship or the moment in the amusement park with his signature "I'm sorry" and then finishes off his refrigerator. And have you noticed how even in the final battle with Venom, it is easier to win for Miles than for Peter. Miles himself is not an interesting character in these games, unlike into/across the spiderverse. The funniest thing is that Miles himself can't say anything about himself except that he is Spider-Man. Even his powers are just a given, starting with his game. Has anyone ever wondered where Miles got his negative energy from, even though he just looked at Martin Li. And the problem with Harry Venom is that he has no real motive to kill the spider, instead he decided to scatter his healing seed around the city and replicate Donny Cates' Venom. Eddie Brock's Venom arc worked because both Venom and Eddie wanted to kill Parker.

[@KFXG]

There are definitely bigger issues with the game as you'e laid out, but I would argue that all the face changing of the characters definitely does affect the game. We bacome attached to the appearance of characters because that is what/who we saw go through things and overcome them, and their personalities are tied to that. When you look at them, you remember all of that. These new faces are different people, so when they come on screen, it takes you out of it. It's an unnecessary change as well, which is a reason why I think people are so up in arms over it. It's blown out of proportion, for sure, but it indeed does affect the gameplay and experience. Most of the flaws were only really apparent to me on a second playthrough, and it felt almost like a let down the second time around, despite finishing my first playthrough basically thinking "Holy shit this game blows the last one out of the water." A lot of sections of the game felt like a slog to get through the second time, when they didn't the first time around. This, however, has not been an issue with me for the first game, even after playing through it literally 10 times. I agree when you said "It has higher highs, and lower lows." This game gets shit on too harshly. In the end, the game as a whole is great and worth the time, but I think the first game is simply more of a consistent and solid experience, which makes this one literally have more ups and downs in the perception of it.

[@SonnySantana2099]

Bro 😭😭🫵🏽 u did not become attached to mjs face in sm1. If u did u need to get a grip. The face is not that different n doesn’t look bad

[@KFXG]

​​@@SonnySantana2099I never said any of the new faces look bad. I'm talking about the inconsistency. Not sure why you singled out MJ when Peter is also different, but you can't put an image of both MJ faces side by side and tell me they are the same haha.

[@ErnestineWhite]

I love the first and second game. The third game, my ps5 keep shutting down.

[@TheSteedMuffin]

The dlc being canceled because of leaks is pathetic and shameful. It’s a lazy excuse, the whole game is half assed in the big picture and will not stand the test of time like the first game. The first game will stay standing like the sphinx of Egypt. the second game would get washed away during the flood because of the culture war propaganda

[@eli2210]

Alright I gotta be honest it’s kinda like switching Peter’s face model. We had the original Peter face and grew up with it so having a new face is like getting cat fished because we didn’t watch this character or know the character. It was completely different character. At least Peter has a remake, pointless one too, but MJ gets a face swap that makes her look older which is the opposite of Harry and Peter where they both look much younger. We grew with the other MJ this is just like “who is this” kind of this. But no technically it doesn’t impact the game

[@talhaiqbal6798]

If people are complaining about this game, lord help them with others. People complain about everything.

[@jibbersdelight1616]

I prefer the first story to be honest

[@KingKraxy]

I can't belive its already been a year man

[@featherguardian6023]

7 out of 10, the Gameplay is Great, Each Spider-Men brings something Unique, the Villains look Good, and the Graphics look Amazing, I just think that if they delay the Game for Another Year and Fix the Story and the 3rd Half, it could have been Better but if Feels Underrated because something felt missing and now a Year Later and no DLC Expansion, I guess we’ll never Know.

[@bukdrix]

Another plot hole is the symbiote suit which saves Peter from the stab wound. When Harry loses the suit his illness returns. So surely when Peter loses the symbiote suit he should die from the fatal stab wound as it would return… Go figure 🤔

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I think people were too quick to call it a masterpiece. Its a good game with a story that isnt fully fleshed out and add in the ugly suits anf that being all we got post launch people arent willing to be nice anymore

[@TheRealBillix]

Every boss fight be like: *punch dodge swing* Every fight be like: *web punch dodge swing* Groundbreaking..... Luckily Insomniac isn't a 30 year old company that pulls 500 million dollars a year...👀

[@SM1-1048]

I think the main thing is that not only did Bryan already admit they couldn’t reach the quality bar for the final act but everyone noticed it. It gave off the amazing Spider-Man 2 vibes. A lot of character development needed but not enough time. I still find the gameplay extremely fun but there def small details that have been changed and I don’t understand the decision behind them. Like for example crimes in miles morales/spm PS4 are significantly better better than Spider-Man 2. Also if you’re a Spider-Man fan there’s a good chance you know venoms story and it was pretty predictable unlike SPM ps4 story, especially if you watched 0 gameplay footage. But ya gameplay is fun and is what keeps bringing me back but I genuinely enjoy spm ps4 over Spider-Man 2.

[@TheRealTrueDizzy]

i enjoy the first in almost every way besides traversally, i know they added more to the combat but it honestly feels more mindless and has rhythm to it like the first game did. The enemy and level design also doesnt help because the encounters in this game feel so much more basic than before

[@eli2210]

Alright I gotta be honest it’s kinda like switching Peter’s face model. We had the original Peter face and grew up with it so having a new face is like getting cat fished because we didn’t watch this character or know the character. It was completely different character. At least Peter has a remake, pointless one too, but MJ gets a face swap that makes her look older which is the opposite of Harry and Peter where they both look much younger. We grew with the other MJ this is just like “who is this” kind of this. But no technically it doesn’t impact the game Also Harry is still hob goblin sooo it makes sense for him to be a live. In Norman’s eyes Spider-Man crippled his son

[@Oznerol1234]

They really need to stepup their gameplay for the next installement. And not rush the story, take the time to establish everything and everyone.

[@kokushibo1014]

Wym stepup the gameplay ? It's already WAYYYY better than 2018

[@Oznerol1234]

Not really, we lost so many gadgets for a few reskined super powers. And the only improvements are on the traversal which is the best part . Gameplay is really boring other than that. No depth, Bad stealth.

[@morris01]

@@kokushibo1014combat is still generally the same, same with web swinging the only thing we got were web wings. I’m not counting abilities cause we had that in Miles. This game had the worst stealth in the series and they gave us less gadgets. Outside of abilities, Peter and Miles basically fight the same way.

[@smartestcat04]

​@@Oznerol1234i used to think the same thing but when i went back to the first game i realized that u could spam every gadget and they would do the job for u. Plus the stealth in the sequel aint that bed since we can double takedown and we also have the web line

[@michaelsemien9814]

@@Oznerol1234we also lost a lot of skill tree abilities including Miles’s camouflage skill tree and more from the past 2 games

[@harangalbraith4608]

God, when i finished the game, i wished it was released in 2025.

[@MrSpartan993]

A videogame sequel that’s has LESS quality than first and isn’t as good. Like wtf Sony?!

[@nebula9061]

1 year later and I’ve 100% the game 3 times, halfway on my 4th😂

[@andm9766]

Idk if it was your last video or somewhere else but I feel like the second game should’ve been kraven then led into the green goblin as a bigger overarching one. Then ending with Norman dying. Could’ve done a whole Peter symbiote arc in that game then he gets rid of it and Harry coming back in the third as venom when he gets it back

[@HardHatDagu]

Compared to the first game you can tell this game is rushed and the story feels alot less impactful for it.

[@Palipride107]

Can’t wait to play this game I don’t have a ps so I’m waiting for the pc release in Jan 30

[@szymciupol]

good assesment. it is better combat and traversal, i agree stealth is mixed bag (mj is still bad but much better cos at least its not annoying, but spidey stealth is way worse). the biggest gripe i had with the game and still do is just its shorter than 1. i platinumed both, one is like 40h. when i popped plat on 2nd, after 22h i was thinking - "thats it?". and that is a problem, it would be fine if story was as strong as one but well ... ye story has very big issues. some also comes to how short it is imo. when you summarize it like you did, a lot has happened. but the pace is so breakneck, especially once venom comes into play that you dont even notice that. its just setpiece into setpiece and by the end you feel like venom barely was in it and both him and Harry are underdeveloped. generally - having Harry, who in 1 is basically not a character, be a huge part of story is simply very hard to make work imo. if you have to spend like 2 hours out of like 12h main story (including walking missions that are chore) to make us care about him, he simply shouldnt have his introduction and his finale in the same game imo. just make is so Kraven is main villain here and save Venom for his own game or at least have venom and kraven actually have more screentime - ergo make longer campaign. cos again, venom simply shows up too late and is heavily underdeveloped especially "symbiote parts". and im pretty sure that isssue didnt arise in 1, which also had a pretty clear main villain switch midway through (Mr Negative first into Doc Oc, with other members of sinister six being secondary antagonists) because those guys were much better developed with longer story. but biggest issue is imo how crazy pace Venom part of story has, you have absolutely no downtime in that part (also doesn't help you have to play it with probably worst suit in the game on miles)

[@Coreisus]

Insomniac just flubbed the faces in this series. Peter alone has 3 faces. The original, the new, and the high-school flashback face which looks like it's straight outta the comics but also bares no similarities to the old or new face. MJ got a new ugly face for some reason. And Harry too has 3 faces. The one from the first game(its just a picture but its enough to see what he looks like). Then his adult face which looks nothing like his teenage face or SM1 face. It's also weird too cuz seeing how Harry n Peter look, you could see the old Peter getting along with the new Harry, or new Peter getting along with old Harry but you can't really see the current faces being friends.