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@BadMouseProductions
@BadMouseProductions 8 жыл бұрын
Now I know plenty of people might say 'You can't just Automise things and give wealth to people for free! They never earned it' Unless we escape the neurotic notion of debt, go beyond the acts of whether or not someone deserves something, we will never achieve anywhere close to human happiness. We have the cheat code right now, we can give ourselves 15 hour work weeks, feed everyone, all we need to do is bring about that beneficial system.
@stevepittman3770
@stevepittman3770 8 жыл бұрын
+BadMouseProductions That's been bugging me for a while too. I see so many people (especially fellow Americans) so wrapped up in whether or not someone /deserves/ a higher wage, or benefits, or access to education. It seems the most obvious thing in the world to me that everyone deserves to have at least a minimally acceptable standard of living, whether they can afford it or not. Why do people get so hung up on who deserves what, to the point that it's okay if people -- even children -- starve so long as nobody gets a free ride? What kind of twisted universe did I wake up in where that viewpoint is not batshit insane?
@Ansatz66
@Ansatz66 8 жыл бұрын
+BadMouseProductions "We have the cheat code right now, we can give ourselves 15 hour work weeks, feed everyone, all we need to do is bring about that beneficial system." That sounds great, but what cheat code is that? If everyone has a 15 hour work week, then that would mean a dramatic reduction in productivity. We'll have to stop producing some things that we are currently producing, and whatever we lose is going to be a heavy cost for the beneficial system. What things do you think we should sacrifice to achieve this goal?
@stevepittman3770
@stevepittman3770 8 жыл бұрын
+Ansatz66 I dunno if I'd call it a cheat code, because the transition to a sane system that looks to improve the lives of its citizens as a higher priority than corporate profit margins won't be cheap or easy. All I'm personally saying is: it should be done anyway.
@Ansatz66
@Ansatz66 8 жыл бұрын
Steve Pittman "It should be done anyway." It sounds expensive and risky. Those corporations that you want to take profits away from are in the business of providing goods and services that the citizens very much enjoy.. We wouldn't want to lose them. There's a limit to how much we should pay for a sane system. At the moment we're facing some pretty serious troubles like climate change and Islamist extremism. On the other hand we're making rapid progress toward cheaper and cheaper production. If we were to shift to a costly and untested system right now we might drain critical resources from important efforts that we should be focusing on. Of course I don't think we should let people starve. I'm just saying let's keep our priorities straight.
@stevepittman3770
@stevepittman3770 8 жыл бұрын
Ansatz66 I didn't specify how it would be paid for at all because I'm not an economist and I really have no idea. My point is that our priorities are pretty clearly not straight and however expensive it winds up being to fix it, I think it's worth it. I don't think there should necessarily be a limit to what we pay. If we can all agree that life is sacred and special then the quality of that life should become the most important goal in any society. I agree that there are some major problems that still need to be addressed, though I dare say the pursuit of profit, especially in the west, has caused or significantly aided the growth of a lot of them. I agree that corporations are useful tools, but they should be chained to society's priorities and goals, not the other way around.
@JohnSmith-ft4gc
@JohnSmith-ft4gc 7 жыл бұрын
The Information Effect: Fully..Automated..Space..Gay..Communism!!
@diskoyenno1440
@diskoyenno1440 7 жыл бұрын
what is dis joke
@alexv3357
@alexv3357 4 жыл бұрын
@@diskoyenno1440 It's a socialist Facebook meme page
@skyteus
@skyteus 10 ай бұрын
Luxury*
@Eddie151097
@Eddie151097 4 жыл бұрын
"A machine that took no labour to build..." As a software engineer this is an insult to my lack of sleep
@elhamhussainemy5116
@elhamhussainemy5116 3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@brendawilliams8062
@brendawilliams8062 3 жыл бұрын
Unreal. And a waste
@erin1569
@erin1569 3 жыл бұрын
Abby phrased it poorly. Marx would probably say that this machine would be a software that can create software, spreading the work of a programmer over an infinite amount of new programs, resulting in an infinite good by using finite work. P.S. Are you using an add-on that autocompletes code with the use of "AI"? Well, I suspect the company might be training an AI using our code to take our jobs.
@basedcorrectpilled969
@basedcorrectpilled969 2 жыл бұрын
@@erin1569 this
@ffelegal
@ffelegal 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaa I share your thoughts exactly. The abstraction used for information technology was so out of touch with reality that it overwhelmed me.
@LeakyBellows
@LeakyBellows 6 жыл бұрын
Capitalism has never been able to deal with the issue of automation, simply by virtue of Capitalist ideology. As has been repeatedly shown throughout the history of large-scale Capitalism, a Capitalist will always try to maximize profits by paying their workforce as little as possible. Now that automation is booming and actual human labor is more expensive than simply automating production, it only stands to reason that Capitalists will automate anything and everything that they can. The only possible end to that road is enormous unemployment, and with that, Capitalism starves itself.
@yllejord
@yllejord 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, capitalism needs consumers who consume more and more.
@tigerstyle4505
@tigerstyle4505 5 жыл бұрын
The company I work for has gone from almost completely labor oriented to a mix where a grip of the work is done my us and the rest is done with machines, all as they have built new buildings over the years. They have buildings that are mostly manually operated by workers, buildings like the one I'm at that's a mix of automation and workers and a couple years back they built their first fully automated building. Manual buildings employ anywhere from 500-1,000+ people, mixed employs maybe 300-350, automated employs a staff of about 30-35, most of which are mechanics. The strange part is that they don't seem to be making any moves to change any of the buildings over. I can only guess that it's easier for them to pay more to have us there (for now) than to rip down existing buildings and take a hit in quarterly profit? The fully automated joints are mad expensive lol Just 1 piece of equipment that we have in our building was $3.5mil when it was built a decade ago and instead of 2 workers it just requires 1... unless it breaks down then it's back to 2. There's 3 of em and they constantly break down. But as of now it seems that they aren't changing anything. No clue why.
@MegaBrokenstar
@MegaBrokenstar 4 жыл бұрын
Capitalism in its modern form is a product of social Darwinist ideas. Namely, that a person must prove their value to justify their right to exist. It’s a load of bullshit.
@wearealreadydeadfam8214
@wearealreadydeadfam8214 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a Marxist. But capitalism doesn’t cares if it collapses. Capitalism only exists to keep the bourgeoisie in power. They’ll probably build a state run economy that they will still call capitalist. To justify exploitation.
@GordonMcWilliams
@GordonMcWilliams 4 жыл бұрын
This is a really strange phenomenon that we're in a year later. Where unemployment in the US Empire has skyrocketed due to COVID-19, yet stocks and wealth of large investors continues to rise and rise. Truly a scary time, where the ultra rich may not even need laborers to continue collecting wealth, as long as there are still expensive clothes/cars etc, they may be able to starve most laborers out, while retaining power.
@RealCoolCowboy
@RealCoolCowboy 8 жыл бұрын
Bullshit Jobs...the perfect phrase, I love it.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 8 жыл бұрын
+RealCoolCowboy Yes, now I understand something that dumbfounded me in the US: people getting paid to hold signs, a job that could literally be done by a wooden stick. Or _four_ people at _one_ trolley station getting paid for explaining the public transport system to me that was clearly marked on the huge plans and maps there.
@polyvinylfilmz
@polyvinylfilmz 8 жыл бұрын
Or people like me, who do a half hour of paperwork when they get in in the morning, then spend the rest of the day watching videos like this at their desks...
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 8 жыл бұрын
Polyvinyl Films Well, _that_ sounds like a job I want to get paid for ;)
@Ausdb
@Ausdb 8 жыл бұрын
I don't understand bullshit jobs. This comes up when people critique Capitalism. "Bullshit jobs is a way to control the masses" but it defeats the who point of the market. Why would a company hire someone to do a bullshit job when they can fire them, save money, and provide a cheaper product then their competitor?
@kylewarne1265
@kylewarne1265 8 жыл бұрын
+Dean Leggo Because the system needs those people employed so they can afford to then buy those products. Without Bullshit Jobs, there is no capital in the hands of workers to then be spent, the whole system would crash and collapse.
@seanmeehan5955
@seanmeehan5955 8 жыл бұрын
This series on Marx was an absolute pleasure! Insightful, well-organized and beautifully delivered, my virtual friend. Thank you.
@ceoofantifa6245
@ceoofantifa6245 4 жыл бұрын
Virtual comrade
@rajadhirajmaharaj
@rajadhirajmaharaj 4 жыл бұрын
7:09 *"Capitalism is trying to hang on. It's using state to uphold patent laws on softwares that you can otherwise copy and distribute for free. It's using "planned obsolescence", it's using price monopolies on things which otherwise have no distribution cost. It's taking things that are normally wouldn't be valuable, like, browsing history and turning them into opportunities to generate revenue through targeted advertising. It's creating " bullshit jobs" - jobs that don't really do any good and can easily be automated; they just exists so that people will be working. Like with the industrial revolution, the potential of new technology to liberate people from working is being held back in the name of profit."*
@sandozpop6017
@sandozpop6017 3 жыл бұрын
S.M. ---------------------- Excellent! Remains hundred million deaths in Russia, Eastern Europe, China and Southeast Asia.
@seanmeehan5955
@seanmeehan5955 3 жыл бұрын
@@sandozpop6017 Something like blaming Christ for the Crusades.
@sandozpop6017
@sandozpop6017 3 жыл бұрын
@@seanmeehan5955 ------------------ I do not think. However, Jesus is blamed by the Jews, no matter how many reasons and for what reasons.
@arthurhill8185
@arthurhill8185 8 жыл бұрын
Am I the only person who seems to be slowly becoming a marxist over the course of these videos.
@pbeeby
@pbeeby 8 жыл бұрын
Same. Marx was a genius
@BadMouseProductions
@BadMouseProductions 8 жыл бұрын
+Arthur Hill just don't become a Tankie.
@iananderson12796
@iananderson12796 8 жыл бұрын
We are all Marxists at heart ❤️
@RestInPieces777
@RestInPieces777 8 жыл бұрын
+BadMouseProductions "tankie" doesn't have a well-established meaning. It's like "SJW".
@BadMouseProductions
@BadMouseProductions 8 жыл бұрын
RestInPieces777 Marxist Leninist.
@shraka
@shraka 7 жыл бұрын
It would be lovely if we had fewer bullshit jobs, and more people had research jobs. Especially medical research. I'd really like debilitating sickness and injury to be a thing of the past.
@caenieve
@caenieve 5 жыл бұрын
You can probably automate that, if you can make an artificial brain.
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 4 жыл бұрын
This has diminishing returns, as a lot of sickness comes from micro-organisms adapting to any counter-measures we throw at them.
@RisenSlash
@RisenSlash 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlueTemplar15 technology outpaces evolution
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 4 жыл бұрын
@@RisenSlash Not anymore...
@arctic_line
@arctic_line 4 жыл бұрын
@@RisenSlash Technology outpaces *human* evolution, but evolution of microorganisms is very fast. If you're going to co-opt a transhumanist/luddite phrase then at least understand what it's applying to.
@mylesjeffers6148
@mylesjeffers6148 4 жыл бұрын
Damn. Watching this in the midst of the Covid-19 global pandemic, prior to the huge recession we're about to enter. Capitalism has responded so badly to this I hope it doesn't recover and we can all finally be freed. Feel like I'm right in the middle of an event that's going to be philosophised about for years, can't wait for that sweet sweet content!
@juanorellana8945
@juanorellana8945 4 жыл бұрын
Same! I've introduced myself into the history political philosophy in this quarantine, and wow! Reading about Marxism has been surely eye-opening, especially its arguments pointing at the flaws of modern capitalism. I've complemented my learning with these videos. Considering how economies have reacted (and will continue) to the current pandemic, could this be the time there's no turning back, and turn into a new system? Debt and credit are reaching unsustanaible levels now. As you say, sweet philosophy and analysis for the following years.
@zumacraig
@zumacraig 4 жыл бұрын
@@juanorellana8945 I hope so. Recent unrest seems to be helping.
@hulugulu7899
@hulugulu7899 4 жыл бұрын
"Modern natural science has proved that the so-called “poor districts” in which the workers are crowded together are the breeding places of all those epidemics which from time to time afflict our towns. Cholera, typhus, typhoid fever, small-pox and other ravaging diseases spread their germs in the pestilential air and the poisoned water of these working-class quarters. In these districts, the germs hardly ever die out completely, and as soon as circumstances permit it they develop into epidemics and then spread beyond their breeding places also into the more airy and healthy parts of the town inhabited by the capitalists. Capitalist rule cannot allow itself the pleasure of creating epidemic diseases among the working class with impunity; the consequences fall back on it and the angel of death rages in its ranks as ruthlessly as in the ranks of the workers. As soon as this fact had been scientifically established the philanthropic bourgeois began to compete with one another in noble efforts on behalf of the health of their workers. Societies were founded, books were written, proposals drawn up, laws debated and passed, in order to close the sources of the ever-recurring epidemics." ------------written by Friedrich Engels about 150 years ago.
@alynames7171
@alynames7171 4 жыл бұрын
Optimistic...
@jayfeather6749
@jayfeather6749 4 жыл бұрын
This is so true... three months later and the situation for capitalism has gotten even worse. This is a historic moment, I have a feeling...
@FakeSchrodingersCat
@FakeSchrodingersCat 2 жыл бұрын
Looking back at this not a single costume, no dramatic readings, barely any jokes. How far you have come.
@theredcebuano996
@theredcebuano996 8 жыл бұрын
no, Bukharin wasn't the only one who proposed state monopoly capitalism, even Lenin proposed it and saw it as the beginning of imperialism
@Ganondorf525
@Ganondorf525 8 жыл бұрын
It's not just information. There are other tech advancements come up like additive manufacturing. That will decrease the material and labor needed to make things greatly. Scientists are also working on ways to manufacture meat and milk in the lab. That would effectively destroy the ranching and dairy industries. That is just one example. I don't see how capitalism is going to survive mass automation.
@TaylorjAdams
@TaylorjAdams 8 жыл бұрын
+Name Here Now that argument makes sense to me. The IT industry employs a whole lot of people, and that number isn't going down. Sure there's a lot of stuff out there but, at least right now, that only means there's a lot of competition in producing it. I have a hard time picturing how sending out a bunch of free copies of a piece of software because you can make more money on the advertisement, then using that money to hire on more programmers so you can make even bigger and fancier free stuff distributes the labour cost worse than building a robot that can manufacture a car 10x faster so you can lay off a bunch of workers to increase your profits. ***Edit: Sorry this next paragraph is a bit tangential and doesn't really address your comment but the next one does if you don't feel like reading*** I understand how the idea that the user isn't paying for it makes it seem like the value of each individual copy of the information goes down, but I don't think it takes into account that for the majority of free software out there the user isn't actually the customer, they are the product. We may not pay for it, but someone does. Companies that follow the free-to-use model do very well. Some charge for premium services and the fact that a ton of people use the free service just means they reach enough people who are willing to pay so the total outweighs what they would have made if they charged everybody. But the most widespread companies make their money from things like advertisements and data mining. We work for the company by using their service and in return they don't charge us for doing so. May seem like a rip off but they do spend a lot of money and a lot of people work hard making sure they pay us well so that we don't quit and go work somewhere else. That was a bit long and rambly but I think what I was trying to say is that capitalism seems to be coping well with having an abundance of information (which may be "free" to the user but actually costs quite a lot to produce and leads to more jobs, not fewer). But I agree with what you said about mass automation being a potential issue, I think it wouldn't cope quite as well with an abundance of physical manufacturing.
@Ganondorf525
@Ganondorf525 8 жыл бұрын
Taylor Adams IT positions will grow somewhat however they will only be open to the well educated and skilled. They will also never replace enough jobs to deal with automation. I don't see how capitalism will deal with mass unemployment on the scale automation brings. A single industry can not hold up capitalism alone. It needs a lot of state help to deal with 5-8% permanent unemployment now. Plus the reliance on copy right and permanent government IP monopolies (many of these companies could not function with out it) shows that the free market (if it ever existed) has already been replaced by state corporatism. Something most pro-capitalists would decry as a perversion of capitalism. If you agree that capitalism won't likely be able to cope with mass automation then we agree a new economic model will be needed. If we switch to something like basic income with the funds coming from the productivity of machines large amounts of the IT industry would switch to the Free (as in free speech) software sphere. Which would take even that from capitalism in the long term.
@TaylorjAdams
@TaylorjAdams 8 жыл бұрын
Name Here I agree with you mostly. I wasn't trying to say the software industry could save capitalism by itself or anything like that, more just explaining why I don't buy the argument that the replicability of software in any way hinders the industry. Also, it's true that the industry only hires skilled and educated people but really it's only a 2 year diploma for most of the jobs and up here in Canada our schools aren't quite free but they're drastically cheaper and the student loans are pretty reasonable so I don't really see that as being much of an issue. Plus the companies working on all that automation are also working on AI that can perform white collar jobs as well so it's not just the one class in danger of losing employment. What I don't quite agree with I think is mostly semantic. I don't think stuff like basic income is itself really a separate economic system. It's certainly not the libertarian ideal, but it already exists in one form or another (from what I understand you got welfare down in the states and up here we got income support) and all it really needs are a small amount of extra funding (they do give you enough money to live off of up here at least, but they do try their darndest to make sure it's as close to that bare minimum as possible) and maybe some slightly looser application requirements (though it's probably the employment insurance system - or unemployment insurance if you call it that - which would really benefit most from that). I don't think it would really cost much more than either of our countries could gain from some reasonable cuts to military spending, but apparently some people consider even suggesting that sacrilege (though I wouldn't consider any of those people actual libertarians so they're not the ones you're currently trying to convince). The important thing that I think I disagree on, though, is that this should happen because machines. Even if employment rates are at their highest, some people just aren't capable of showing up to work every day for 5 days a week. Some of the most brilliant minds are also troubled minds, and you never know how many of those fall down the drain without a sufficiently supported safety net. I do think that mass automation will be a problem eventually, but it's not going to happen over night. The change will be gradual and I think it's a mistake to think of things in terms of replacing our system rather than slowly adapting. It's true that we can see the effects of it already, but so far we've adapted enough to invent new industries to support the population. With the time it'll take our food science to get to the point where it's preferable to farmed food I think one of the most effective ways we can currently combat it is by having fewer babies. But that's another issue entirely :p
@RealBenda
@RealBenda 5 жыл бұрын
I'm from Czechia and as former members of the Soviet Union, we have societal PTSD from communism. We do have healthcare, solid unemployment/maternity/elderly support, and free universities to a certain age, but it is very difficult to talk about anything left-wing out loud. We understand and appreciate these things, but the names of Marx and his comrades and followers (or, perhaps, corrupters) make our hairs stand up. Could you suggest a way of talking about Marx without actually talking about Marx?
@TealWolf26
@TealWolf26 4 жыл бұрын
Do what every great creator does: steal it. I'm not Marxist, I just say things that we independently came to the same conclusion of. *innocent shrug*
@KarolKaru
@KarolKaru 4 жыл бұрын
I'm from Estonia and this is exactly how it is here too. I had no that it's called societal PTSD, i am now informed :D. Whenever I see anything about Marx and Communism the alarm bells go off in my head bc! Communism was the bad thing that wrecked my country and deported people!!! This can't be good or true or beneficial in any way!! And yet. I agree with everything in this series, it's very informative and useful, if post-communist country people get past the immediate disgust reaction to anything containing a hint of communism i feel like we will agree with a lot of this since we basically seem to have like, a mix of socialism-capitalism already. And like Furiosa said below, i should introduce myself more to the modern theories and applications of this, rather than blame this one dude for every asshole who tried to be a capitalist by pretending to be a marxist.
@DragonNexus
@DragonNexus 4 жыл бұрын
"When the next financial crash happens, there will be nothing left to cut". The next few years post Coronavirus are going to be very interesting to watch play out as capitalists continue to try to force the square peg into the round hole.
@chinpokimon9173
@chinpokimon9173 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously lmao 😂, it’s flawed from the beginning the foundation is shakey.
@thomaskole9881
@thomaskole9881 3 жыл бұрын
And when neoliberals are no longer able to keep the system from rotting away, we step in✊
@basedcorrectpilled969
@basedcorrectpilled969 2 жыл бұрын
It’s still survived.
@bug688
@bug688 Жыл бұрын
@@basedcorrectpilled969 but I don’t know about you but there has been more unrest now than I’ve ever seen before
@willemvandebeek
@willemvandebeek 8 жыл бұрын
This is a very well done 4 part video; I love it! Good job! Could you make a seperate playlist of just those 4 videos please? I would like to share it that way...
@PhilosophyTube
@PhilosophyTube 8 жыл бұрын
+Willem van de Beek Yeah OK :)
@willemvandebeek
@willemvandebeek 8 жыл бұрын
+Philosophy Tube Thank you, Olly. :)
@thebaultmichael1399
@thebaultmichael1399 8 жыл бұрын
+Willem van de Beek Was about to ask the exact same question :P This series blew my mind
@SohamSinha
@SohamSinha 8 жыл бұрын
What a series!! I really appreciate the time you took out to make this series. And thanks for ending with an optimistic note. I'll read Mason's book. Thank you!
@reesesapphire267
@reesesapphire267 6 жыл бұрын
This is particularly why I like being a programmer and a musician. I make things that, while requiring labor, are entirely owned by me and can be distributed on my own terms through any channels that I like (GitHub and Soundcloud aren't the only places for it). That was an awesome series, even though I'm 2.5 years late!!
@vanman118
@vanman118 7 жыл бұрын
Dude your video series was part of my online class and is by far the best phil lesson I've heard.
@Shakespeare563
@Shakespeare563 8 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, I'm always impressed by how much information you can cram into these relatively short videos. I guess it's not quite comprehensive, but for an introduction to a really complicated set of theories, these Marx videos have been pretty great! well done sir!
@AdityanNair
@AdityanNair 4 жыл бұрын
I am here watching this bizarrely prophetic video during coronavirus, contemplating on how so many social systems failed because of capitalism - healthcare, finance, jobs Will this be the end of capitalism ? Please god say yes
@handsomejas105
@handsomejas105 4 жыл бұрын
It probably wont sadly, though climate change could be
@AdityanNair
@AdityanNair 4 жыл бұрын
@@handsomejas105 yes..wishful thinking. Capitalists only managed to increase their wealth during this time. If anything it has emboldened them further.
@handsomejas105
@handsomejas105 4 жыл бұрын
@@AdityanNair Yeah although in a lot of cases it has been with government support, similar to other previous crashes. It's an unstable system, it will eventually crash for once and I think we're not far from it.
@handsomejas105
@handsomejas105 4 жыл бұрын
@@AdityanNair Wishful thinking is valuable in these times. I hope you're going through this in the best way possible. Stay strong comrade!
@shnorglebop1798
@shnorglebop1798 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully!
@TwentySeventhLetter
@TwentySeventhLetter 8 жыл бұрын
I'm very pleased with the conclusions drawn here; it's nice to know that capitalism seems to be on a downward spiral toward a new system. Thanks Olly!
@rhyswilliams6384
@rhyswilliams6384 8 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that the anarcho-capitalists criticise the same things mason did: state monopoly, bailouts, copyright... Marx frogot the possibility of increasing demand, both naturally and artificially. And the artificial ones used to keep the current system working are exactly the keynesian economics used by socialist parties because they justifie goverment spending. Postcapitalism may be even more capitalist than the corporateism we have now.
@drednaught608
@drednaught608 8 жыл бұрын
+Nick TheGreek Isn't the statement, "Capitalism will forever exist." a conclusion? If there truly was no conclusion here, it would not automatically default to capitalism forever existing, the answer would instead default to, "I don't know" which is a more honest approach.
@udbhavseth799
@udbhavseth799 4 жыл бұрын
The moment ollie said "or was it?", I so expected a vsauce style intro music to kick in
@famsu5654
@famsu5654 8 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I'm subscribed to this channel.
@PhilosophyTube
@PhilosophyTube 8 жыл бұрын
+Ferman Sensei Aw, thanks! Welcome to the little community!
@appleslover
@appleslover 3 жыл бұрын
@@PhilosophyTube not so little 5 years later..
@sandozpop6017
@sandozpop6017 3 жыл бұрын
I'm also glad. Violent strategies for capturing power and establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat (Das Kapital) may also be discussed. As a result, we have a total of 100 million dead today.
@somecuriosities
@somecuriosities 3 жыл бұрын
04:47 Anyone else watching this part in 2020 and suddenly feel their spidey senses tingling?
@nectarshrub
@nectarshrub 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@ashlinggodfrey1271
@ashlinggodfrey1271 8 жыл бұрын
Studying for my university exams on Marx and you are making a lot more sense than my lecturer
@maldito_sudaka
@maldito_sudaka 5 жыл бұрын
that ending on the (maybe eventual) end of patriarchy... wow, thanks for that comparison
@bertrandlecerf2565
@bertrandlecerf2565 8 жыл бұрын
I would really love it if you made a serie like this one, but on Anarchism. It's a way of thinking I find fascinating, and I'd love to hear your opinion about it. Keep up the good work, you make life not suck :)
@kat5796
@kat5796 5 жыл бұрын
Olly, I've just started watching your videos and really enjoying them. I'm a librarian and it was really interesting for me to hear you talk about the supposed "information effect" As librarians we are obviously very concerned with information and information science/technology, being sort of information disseminators ourselves. I've always thought of librarianship as inherently sort of marxist/socialist by nature but this connection was really interesting to me, and at the very least I was happy to hear my field of study(or there abouts) mentioned. Anyway, love your videos!
@metalaarsix
@metalaarsix 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent series on Marx.
@sandozpop6017
@sandozpop6017 3 жыл бұрын
---------------------- Excellent! Remains hundred million deaths in Russia, Eastern Europe, China and Southeast Asia.
@evo1ov3
@evo1ov3 4 жыл бұрын
Watched a lot of his videos. He seems deadly passionate about this subject the most. Way more than others. Seems I finally found the antecedent of what makes Olly's philosophy tick.
@bella-bond
@bella-bond Жыл бұрын
Your Marx #3 and #4 videos are my favorite videos on your channel thus far :)
@garretttedeman
@garretttedeman 8 жыл бұрын
Another great one! Bonus points for citing Paul Mason, David Graeber and other timely figures too.
@SteveLamberts
@SteveLamberts 8 жыл бұрын
Love the rational and factual approach, showing through deduction the shortfalls of today's capitalism.
@jasminaliysa111
@jasminaliysa111 8 жыл бұрын
😂😂 where we're you when I was writing my essay on Marx
@DieQwietscheente
@DieQwietscheente 8 жыл бұрын
*were
@jasminaliysa111
@jasminaliysa111 8 жыл бұрын
Nope it's definitely where. As in why were you there and not here helping me write that mother.
@jasminaliysa111
@jasminaliysa111 8 жыл бұрын
Haha just seen the auto correct putting on an apostrophe. Well played Internet
@noddy3007
@noddy3007 8 жыл бұрын
+Jasmin Aliysa you shouldn't even have to correct it, it's a youtube comment! lol
@DaxB055King
@DaxB055King 5 жыл бұрын
Busy writing these video essays
@redtedart
@redtedart 8 жыл бұрын
Great series!
@hankonfire
@hankonfire 8 жыл бұрын
You got your mojo back here in part 4 Olly. Nice work.
@sayanmajumdar9492
@sayanmajumdar9492 5 жыл бұрын
All the 4 videos helped me understand Marxism better. Thank you very much. Red Salute from India 🇮🇳
@Mandragara
@Mandragara 8 жыл бұрын
Slavoj ŽiŽek?
@mrrickygee.
@mrrickygee. 8 жыл бұрын
+Mandragara YESSssss. I second this
@gustavojohannessautter9484
@gustavojohannessautter9484 8 жыл бұрын
+Mandragara _Sniff_ _Sniff_ PURE IDEOLOGY _pulls shirt_ _Sniff_
@benjaminhennessy8050
@benjaminhennessy8050 8 жыл бұрын
Žižek is entry level fluff. You should look up Noam Chomsky's criticism of his work.
@Gabriel-mf7wh
@Gabriel-mf7wh 8 жыл бұрын
+Hipster Stalin Dude, I laughed so hard at this hahaha
@dsettleascii
@dsettleascii 8 жыл бұрын
+Benjamin Hennessy whenever an analytic guy criticizes a continental dude it normally centers around a critique of the obscurity of their writing which I think is sorta cheap. It may be difficult to read but once you understand it I don't think there's much difference between Anglo- American philosophy and Continental philosophy in terms of substance.
@ethanmcbride6811
@ethanmcbride6811 4 жыл бұрын
“The longer it hangs on, the worse the crises are going to get” posted 4 years ago
@JoseGarcia-xu8un
@JoseGarcia-xu8un 5 жыл бұрын
So good! I will tell my professor in Ethics about these videos and perhaps he can tell others in his classes. They not only makes sense from an economic discipline but to me they scream of being Christian Biblical principles. Unfortunately, many are too conservative in regards to these theories so they never accept nor understand them in that light/context. Great videos and may God bless your spreading of this "good news."
@theblackpeark
@theblackpeark 8 жыл бұрын
DAMN this is a good video :DDD i really love this series... :DDD thanks for being a great person :DD plzz do continue :DD
@yafietabraha2716
@yafietabraha2716 8 жыл бұрын
On to one of my favorite topics to analyze, economics! Yes, capitalism adapted rather than collapsed due to the inevitable principle of communal responsibility. Capitalism is founded on the belief that humans require freedom for happiness and the concept of competition and its possible benefits resulted thereafter. However, this theory disregards human nature. As communism's bout showed, humans only follow capitalism as it guarantees constant results, at least seemingly. It places people into a state of security. This security is Hobbesan in nature. However, happiness lies in control of one's environment and that results in the restless need for centralization of pertinent knowledge within an individual. Due to other external forces such as others and natural forces, you would be hard pressed to get that point. Any system that can guarantee security is logically the best. However, as external events comprising all crimes done by others or even simple disagreements compels one to think in the sense of one of Aesop's old sayings "If you want it done right, do it yourself." They lose trust in the safety of the system and then support any further system emphasizing individual freedom and support, which would leverage one, seemingly, all the resources their society can individually allocate in return for supporting this system helping them. However, as freedom isn't something people intrinsically need from people(they only need the security that they will do their part to elevate the society which maximizes individual resources), any system founded on that would collapse, which is why capitalism and feudalism fell and will fall, reverse respectively. People are seeing state-backed capitalism, but that's simply setting stage for socialism and eventually communism. Blackening events like the 1905 Bolshevik Revolution has only stalled the process, causing a double bind for people seeing the trap of libertarian ideas or collectivist safety. Of course, syndicalism(trade unions escalating in power) will be a vital step, thus showing why successful modern governments, meaning from the late 19th century, like Bismarck's empire, to current day developed countries. Due to big business supporting the government, they of course would support them back, which dismembers the people/workers as the economy, therefore, is dependent on lending money, as evidenced in this video, and not the growing labor class. As exploiting the workers consistently provided ample opportunity for wealth growth, it seems insecure to stop and fighting back against the people is seemingly sensible. However, the more privatization of public services occurs, the less advantaged the people are. Eventually, the people's need for security will tear the ability to control public services away from the corporations. Due to the corporations' need for freedom, supposedly, they will milk all of the labor they have until they realize it is ultimately unsuccessful. As for the advent of information technology, it provides the ultimate security, therefore the need for freedom collapses and blindly, corporations fight back, trying to get things back in "traditional measures." They are scared, however, once they understand their capitalization value in monopolizing these machines and they destroy the need for people, the corporations will be lulled into security and everything becomes cheaper and we have more and more socialist measures being instituted. While technology is probably going to supply this objective security, this could be found in ancient egalitarian tribes, where the people don't have corporations, obviously and the people, when fully given security, act as a perfect workforce, therefore providing security forever, perpetually providing happiness unilaterally. We can only achieve this state by perpetuating knowledge and doubtless enough, this perfect state with no state or need for acquisition, nor lies by capitalism lack of depending on people's security is a communist utopia. People typically complain that communism is parallel to human nature, however if you can dissolve some sociological barriers, you'll find that it can work on any level, even in a megacountry that potentially holds the entirety of the Earth's 7.4 billion people. Please support security, happiness, and freedom by becoming a communist. Also, the Soviet Union's anthem is the most inspiring thong you've ever heard and don't even lie, 'cause you know it's true. HAIL, WORKINGMEN OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!!!!
@charlieprice8372
@charlieprice8372 4 жыл бұрын
Holy shit... You should write a book.
@ohnoes423
@ohnoes423 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this writing comrade
@mikhielbluemon4213
@mikhielbluemon4213 3 жыл бұрын
You're inspiring.
@McCbobbish
@McCbobbish 7 жыл бұрын
Mad Marx: Beyond Capitaldome
@LeBonkJordan
@LeBonkJordan Ай бұрын
Hopefully we'll get a newer, updated video on information, "intellectual property", the free software and right-to-repair movements, and Marxist economics. This is one of the most interesting topics to me
@LeninMcDonalds
@LeninMcDonalds 4 жыл бұрын
Mic drop end to an epic series. Great job brother 👊!
@emmanuelkwakye4763
@emmanuelkwakye4763 8 жыл бұрын
loved this series- thanks bro
@seanlarose3927
@seanlarose3927 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the series. Thanks!!
@hamzabukhari6051
@hamzabukhari6051 8 жыл бұрын
Well done, you did a really good job on this series specially this video.
@linkindude68
@linkindude68 8 жыл бұрын
Loved the series but putting all hope in technology to look beyond capitalism is not practical and unnecessary. Workers ownership instead of corporations, community councils and workers councils and other forms of organization (syndaclism in a wider sense) is still important. A vision of a world beyond capitalism, i believe, should be animated by anarchism, anarcho-syndaclism of Noam Chomsky and the likes.
@timcuencaaarum2690
@timcuencaaarum2690 8 жыл бұрын
Forward comrades!
@guitarmann3001
@guitarmann3001 8 жыл бұрын
This is the best of the four videos. Great job and thanks!
@Ravi-xf8dw
@Ravi-xf8dw 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this series. Learned so much about marx and his ideas.
@jerrywhite9585
@jerrywhite9585 8 жыл бұрын
idk. Marx has issues but in its truest form Communism does surpass Capitalism in what matters. But what do i know
@muald9811
@muald9811 8 жыл бұрын
I saw your 4 videos on Marx and it was clear and intresting although my mother tong is french you did a great job: working my english and learning cool things at the same time is great!
@Blackfyre741
@Blackfyre741 6 жыл бұрын
What a brilliant series, gave me more information and more of a insight into how human should progress, Rally comrades
@aironbaron
@aironbaron 8 жыл бұрын
So. Well. Done.
@PhilosophyTube
@PhilosophyTube 8 жыл бұрын
+aironbaron Aw, thank you!
@ubgodinez
@ubgodinez Жыл бұрын
Your channel is amazing. Regards from Mexico City.
@averagefsherman
@averagefsherman 4 жыл бұрын
I have decided to buy Das Kapital because of Olly's videos.
@ziggystardust3432
@ziggystardust3432 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing this in America during the pandemic is a trip.
@thewingedcroc
@thewingedcroc 8 жыл бұрын
What Fukuyuma and Mason said definitely sound like what I've noticed in my layperson way. But I'm following the shift in how careers are made, especially the transformation to artist-direct business for consumers. WIth crowdfunding, especially media like webcomics, there's a shift to the product being free and investors (patrons) getting bonus in the form of CONTENT , not money like stock shareholders. Social capital will become more important than actual capital.
@poojabhanushali5026
@poojabhanushali5026 8 жыл бұрын
Olly you are Awesome! You just made me understand Marx so much better
@1spitfirepilot
@1spitfirepilot 5 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent series. Well done.
@liamwarnock5960
@liamwarnock5960 8 жыл бұрын
With regards to the postcapitalism book. I've been having similar thoughts as to the future of capitalism myself. Must get that book!
@LatifoMudallali
@LatifoMudallali Жыл бұрын
Good Work... The economy is like taking magic lessons...
@SuperSpamcan
@SuperSpamcan 8 жыл бұрын
What's next? Hobbes v. Locke: Dawn of Society?
@iananderson12796
@iananderson12796 8 жыл бұрын
SPOILER ALERT. Hobbes was right...
@benjaminhennessy8050
@benjaminhennessy8050 8 жыл бұрын
For a quick read check out "The Soul of Man Under Socialism" by Oscar Wilde.
@kadran3263
@kadran3263 3 жыл бұрын
Software: now you know the incredible markup on Windows. 'To reduce to a minimum the hours it takes to produce what humanity needs.' Isn't this otherwise known as 'sustainability'?
@1MinutoFatos
@1MinutoFatos 8 жыл бұрын
Ollyyyy plsss do something about anarchism and social anarchism!!!
@jesscawang7306
@jesscawang7306 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this series it's super helpful for my essay, thank god I found your vid!!!! lifesaver :)))))
@willrowell6647
@willrowell6647 2 жыл бұрын
Rewatching this series and this episode is super relevant to today. We are so close to a recession, another crash and with zero left to cut. But somehow we will see capitalism limp on I'm sure...
@tommyz3779
@tommyz3779 8 жыл бұрын
Very well done Olly, I really enjoyed this (even though I don't completely buy into Marx's ideas). Question: will you talk about Hegel and his influence on Marx? Once I learned about Hegel, understanding Marx became a LOT easier.
@whatshisname2497
@whatshisname2497 6 жыл бұрын
No one completely "buys into" Marx's ideas, and if they do, they don't understand Marx himself. Not everyone reads Marx in the exact same way. Note: Marx believed in individuality, and the freedom and liberty needed to express it.
@cynthiam6487
@cynthiam6487 4 жыл бұрын
... I have to point out my favorite band at 7:20. I love Architects ...
@coralinekozun7325
@coralinekozun7325 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if you’ve had any plans to do anything like this in the future (i mean it’s 2018 now so maybe you have?) but you should do a video on anarchism :) there are so many misconceptions about it that just get perpetuated over and over and it’d be rad to see your take on the topic ^__^
@kimpeccable
@kimpeccable 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic series. I'd love to see your curated list of books for those interested in philosophy, Marxism, history, etc.--books that foster a cultured, higher consciousness.
@jayantpriyadarshi9266
@jayantpriyadarshi9266 3 жыл бұрын
Communism is the complete return of man from religion, state etc. to humanism. Communism is the riddle of history solved and it knows itself to be the solution. ~ Karl Marx (1844 manuscript)
@paulgerlach2625
@paulgerlach2625 5 жыл бұрын
Great, really comprehensive explanation! Wish Marx could've expressed himself that clearly...
@emmathestonedspider8676
@emmathestonedspider8676 6 жыл бұрын
4:25 almost had me crying
@LuksxBf3
@LuksxBf3 8 жыл бұрын
I really liked the series but i missed somethings that are important to understand Marx: Marx vs Bakunin, historical materialism and scientific socialism, social democracy and state communism. It would also be interesting to hear about anarchism and the rest of the labor movement.
@foreverwantingpie
@foreverwantingpie 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff. The bit on information has me imagining a future where tangible goods are 3D printed. The information cost goes to zero, the cost of the printer doesn't go to zero but it's optimized over time, and what's left to account for is the raw material. Therefore once again value is derived less from labor and more from resources. Resources which logically can be exchanged for capital. Hmm
@SpoopySquid
@SpoopySquid 8 жыл бұрын
Am studying Marxism at the moment and your series has helped me so much! Keep up the great work
@sanewitch8036
@sanewitch8036 6 жыл бұрын
It is also perhaps worth mentioning that we can deduce the necessity of basic income at some point even within purely capitalistic economic theory. In particular Milton Friedman wrote about this.
@AndrosCCP
@AndrosCCP 8 жыл бұрын
Very enlightening.
@egbert6108
@egbert6108 8 жыл бұрын
nice, sympathetic exposition!
@timhanson3678
@timhanson3678 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff. I’d love to hear your thoughts on Schumpeter and his thesis in Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy.
@JimFaindel
@JimFaindel 8 жыл бұрын
I love these videos and the subject they take on is fascinating, specially because it is clear you are taking the marxist view from a very objective, respectful position. But that aside, the line about the invisible middle finger was the funniest thing I've heard in quite a while. As an economics student, I'll be using that one a lot.
@homowolf678
@homowolf678 6 жыл бұрын
The ending note was rather inspiring. I’m not a leader but I’ll vote!
@TheOneSpam
@TheOneSpam 11 ай бұрын
I wonder how the capabilities of modern AI (and even more so their potential) would be interpreted within Marxist theory.
@Hecatonicosachoron
@Hecatonicosachoron 8 жыл бұрын
I do wonder if there exists a cross-disciplinary (and theoretically broad) economic history of Europe, between Rome and the modern era, reviewing all pertinent results of recent historical analysis, in light of which the Marx's (150-year-old) description of the transition between feudalism and capitalism can be evaluated. I did enjoy this series, well done. It would be interesting to see more on unorthodox economic theories, or perhaps even a more extensive look on different theories of economic value.
@angel4everable
@angel4everable 8 жыл бұрын
+Jason93609 Re "if there exists a cross-disciplinary (and theoretically broad) economic history of Europe, between Rome and the modern era." Yes, try Perry Anderson's PASSAGES FROM ANTIQUITY and LINEAGES OF THE ABSOLUTIST STATE.
@ryanm9566
@ryanm9566 Жыл бұрын
I'm rather disappointed that you never touched upon dialectical materialism in this series, considering how foundational it is to Marxist philosophy and how difficult it is to understand. I'd love to know whether you think it's a valid method of analysis, and what you think the next big contradiction would be, should the contradiction between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie be resolved. Or if it can be predicted at all.
@lola1987fudgeyouu
@lola1987fudgeyouu 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing this was posted 5 years ago, and seeing how is everything is collapsing around us now. Capitalism continues to fail.
@summertime69
@summertime69 5 жыл бұрын
Your series is great and I love it (been watching all your videos slowly after the last 3 months). Heres my question, we talk about the labor it takes to make a widget, but if your work isnt widget-based, like for example a psychologist, how does one "control those means" without just owning your own business? And also, I struggle with the idea of surplus value not because I want workers to be ripped off, but that managers are also doing work that is important, and that labor need also be paid, certianly. But as a manager, you dont make a widget, your work must be paid from the surplus value of the widget, right?
@Zee-pi3io
@Zee-pi3io 7 жыл бұрын
Inspiring ending.
@sgnMark
@sgnMark 8 жыл бұрын
Even as a teenager I gravitated to Marx. Now I relate it to the-thing-in-itself which many philosphers have there explanations for the base of all reason. Marx is the closest when describing ttit to value which is trancendental in its own being.
@theamici
@theamici 5 жыл бұрын
People who think capitalism won know sorely little of how much of a fight socialism put up. You people would be amazed at how utterly transformative the social policies of the last 100 years have been. Public education, public healthcare, public transport, safety laws, environmental laws, successes in reducing discrimination and bullying... the strides we have made are amazing, while the degree depends upon the country you live in, every country has had its share of policies that have taken us step-by-step closer to a Marxist utopia. In my eyes, Marxism has constantly been winning the war, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the capitalist-making of China are just aborted failed experiments along the way. They're battles in which Marxism performed poorly, meanwhile real lasting changed has occurred all over in all kinds of other ways.
@brunocardozo3243
@brunocardozo3243 4 жыл бұрын
watching this while watching a revolution will be / is the best feeling in the world
@pmakiie262
@pmakiie262 4 жыл бұрын
I don't see a revolution unfortunately
@EwMatias
@EwMatias 7 жыл бұрын
I think there's a fundamental problem with the Postcapitalism bit, and it's that software is nowhere the perfect machine it is presented as. Software requires a lot of very skilled labour to produce, and DOES need a lot of maintenance and support. There are bugs, problems with escalation, need for new features... Maybe someday will have software that can upgrade and debug itself, it's not entirely impossible, but it is very far away in the future.
@joshgoodloe4830
@joshgoodloe4830 3 жыл бұрын
Great series
@lastquark9
@lastquark9 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, you've got a new subscriber. It was great work but possibly it could be longer, if you please make longer and more comprehensive version of this. Moreover, in my opinion the third part was not as good as other three. You didn't actually explained what is cultural Marxism, rather you mentioned how people reacted on it in US. In addition to the Frankfurt School I would love to hear about Antonio Gramsci in any discussion about cultural Marxism.
@s66fer
@s66fer 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the information!
@drink__more__water
@drink__more__water 8 жыл бұрын
I always wait for the end of a series to watch it, and I was pretty pumped when this final video showed up in my sub box :) Did not disappoint.
@AzaleaJane
@AzaleaJane 5 жыл бұрын
That face at 9:53 is priceless
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