Matt Walsh vs Ken Ham & Eric Hovind - Young Earth Creation Debate

[@apackofhoboes]

This must have been a nightmare to edit. You did an excellent job

[@GeneralZod99]

I agree wholeheartedly. I remember thinking how seamless it was when he was jumping back and forth between the shows. While I admittedly did not go and watch every minute of each of the originals (linked in the description above!), I jumped around a bit in all of them and Paulogia did an excellent job of representing their views.

[@ScooBdont]

After watching for a few minutes I thought the same. Lots and lots of time and patience. Thank you Paulogia for your hard work. 👍

The God of Rationality guided and blessed Paul`s work in exposing the ignorance of most christians.

[@toddws2683]

Awesome job, Paul! And it is also funny to watch people argue against each other, when it is not even based on evidential reasoning

[@FakingANerve]

An absolute nightmare to edit - an absolute pleasure to watch. 🤘💙

[@InterestsMayVary2234]

Walsh is completely right about one thing-- creationism is driving young people away from Christianity. My daughter was willing to believe in God(deist) but they lost her when they started denying science. She understands that if you have to lie to make your religion make sense, it's because it doesn't make sense. Good job, Ken. You're still losing.

[@mrpo3496]

Ironically YEC are the false teachers that bible warned. False teachers drive people away from god.

[@stylis666]

@@mrpo3496 False teachers like Jesus you mean. I agree, it is not reconcilable with the rest of the bible. There was no Mozes, no Adam and Eve and no paradise and thus no sacrfice and Jesus also doesn't fit any of the prophecies and none of the prophecies came true like Jesus says multiple times. I don't know if there is a god or if there is a religion that is correct, but we all know that at least christianity is completely wrong regardless of the interpretation of whatever text(s).

[@jwsanders1214]

all science is God's science. when we discover how things work, we are merely thinking his thoughts after him

[@jwsanders1214]

@Timothy Mostad Yes, " It is appointed once for man to die, and then to be judged." Hebrews 9 : 27 , Shalom

[@jwsanders1214]

@Timothy Mostad Can you prove to me you have a brain? Have you ever seen it or touched it ? how can you prove to me that you have a brain. Most likely you are relying on what you have been told , Shalom

[@tvtubeme7605]

Ignorant people arguing about whose ignorance is less ignorant. I just don't know what to say about this situation.

[@DBCisco]

It's like watching kids argue about what color the Easter Bunny's fur is. lol

[@RetroBackslash]

@@DBCisco Pfft, everyone knows the Easter Bunny's fur is light-blue.

[@nemilyk]

@@RetroBackslash HE'S WHITE WITH A PINK BELL YOU HEATHEN!

[@alexanderingraham8255]

It is both depressing and hilarious. I call it deprarious.* *all rights to this joke go to Team Four Star

[@friedtofu4568]

Grab a tub full of popcorn?

[@jamesdondo2689]

"it gives us a sort of petty, pagan god" yup, Matt summed it up perfectly right there...

[@nujumkey]

29:54

[@indisa099]

So close yet so far

[@c.guydubois8270]

"how can you trust the bible?" K. Ham n eggs....

[@IsraelCountryCube]

@@indisa099 feminism is false yes so far

[@berserkley]

This had me rooting for Matt Walsh the whole way. I didn't think that was possible.

[@The_Other_Ghost]

Same, I normally loath him.

[@hippipdip]

Yeah I’m not sure how I feel about that.

[@pete_lind]

@@hippipdip Just means that Matt makes more sense than Ken Ham , who is by the way friend of US speaker of the house. Mike Johnson believes in what Ken Ham tells him to believe in, so half of US congress are as delusional as Ken Ham.

[@joey.99]

As an atheist, I still don't like his interpretation. Genesis should be seen as a creation myth by everyone, and he doesn't view it as a creation myth. He views it as a metaphorical explanation on how God created the world

[@damianthefreak666]

The 7 day creation story makes me think of this joke... Man goes to hevan and asks god some questions. First he asks "how long is one hundred million years to you?" God answers, "it is merely a moment" man then asks, "how much is one hundred million dollars to you?" God answers "it is merely a penny" man lastly asks "may I have a penny?" God answers "of course, just give me a moment..."

[@LetruneInedil]

I never heard this one, thank you. :3

[@helltanner3722]

g1

[@Nilsy1975]

Damian I'll have to remember that one 😀

[@less5406]

ROTFLMAO...I'll have to remember this.

[@aaronvenia6193]

Nice

[@jakehummel5262]

Ken Ham and Matt Walsh came across a set of tracks. KH: Those are bear tracks! MW: Those are deer tracks! They were still arguing when the train hit them.

[@anthonymeyer3735]

Nice analogy !

[@Dragoderian]

To be fair to Matt, he's at least arguing they're train tracks. He just thinks that they were put there by a loving god, so there can't possibly be a train heading for them right now.

[@markklein437]

Laughed so hard my spleen hurts. What’s a spleen?

[@jeremyleeshields9721]

Ha! I'll keep this one for later

[@GregoryRichardstheman]

They both see ferroequine tracks. The difference is one thinks it's literally a mythical horse made of iron, and the other thinks it's a horse with strength compared to iron through metaphor.

[@js-sp9bz]

That must have been a lot of work. Thanks for putting this together.

[@Paulogia]

thanks, j s... yeah, more than I'd care to admit.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@Paulogia it's really effective though, watching a believer maul an atheist is feeding the troll, watching two believers try to discredit each other - well "good christians" aren't going to be too happy about people like ken and eric. and the atheist being the voice of reason in between - this way you can do no wrong.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

@@HarryNicNicholas indeed. He becomes the neutral observer.

[@bthearen]

"Noah took young animals on the ark." I just have one question for you, Georgia. Were you there?

[@stephenberry8658]

God killed off all his Creations except 8 people and selected animals...??? Australian Aboriginals are not descended from Noah. Neither are the Chinese or Japanese... No Aussie kangaroos or koalas on a non existent Ark in the Middle East. Pure fantasy.

[@andrewmueller9986]

How did the Australian animals get onto it?

[@mrdrone4253]

This back and forth sounds like a group of children discussing Santa and the different ways Santa can come in your house

[@DBCisco]

I feel bad for the Hovind Kind. It really sucks when other lunatics are saner than you are.

[@keithscott1957]

They shall have their reward in Heaven. Well … unless there is no Heaven, in which case, hee hee.

[@justsomeguy2825]

YEC is a whole new sort of insanity, because we can demonstrate that every claim they make is false.

[@blindtruth4614]

@@keithscott1957 Look at how much money they are making selling the Je$u$ and you will realize they are very much getting their reward right now.

[@BigHeretic]

*DB Cisco* "The Hovind Kind" - I like it.

[@ellesontlabete2669]

Just some Guy What I want to know, will it be a YEC, a flat earther, or a trump supporter who decides crops need "electrolytes".😁

[@aaronnelson7702]

Nice! BUT... your toon should have been eating a bag of popcorn listening to them go back and forth. Thanks for all you've done and will do next year.

[@the22ndday]

Aaron Nelson Oh I so agree. Showing the back of his toon head going back and forth eating popcorn! Bwahahaha! But this is a great vid. Good job Paul, thank you💕

[@TimKing1]

Maybe also include some humorous commentary, ala MST3K.

[@Raiders1917]

@Inmate #06452017 OFFICIAL I see what you did there. You should start posting in Hovind's videos, Asuming he hasn't already banned you.

[@Raiders1917]

@Inmate #06452017 OFFICIAL That sucks. Well I guess Kent is one step closer to getting the echo chamber he, and his followers so desperly want.

[@AJROtheWriter]

I second the popcorn opinion. And a soda, have him sip soda before speaking each time he makes a additional comment!

[@shanen8031]

“The bible wasn’t written for people on Pluto, people on Saturn, people on Mars. It’s focused on Earth, in fact the Earth was created before the other planets”. This comment came from a grown man... god help us!

[@somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704]

The Bible isn't really written for Earth even, apparently, the world being sinful implies that rocks, oceans trees, plate tectonics are all somehow sinful?

[@cafeeineaddicted8123]

And in the next moment: "We have evening and morning, and that means a rotating earth. It doesn't matter that there's no sun yet" No. Sun. Yet. *facepalm*

[@shanen8031]

@@thatguyguy3777 sorry, ThatDeludedGuy guy

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@thatguyguy3777 You can't recontextualize nonsense to make it not ignorant.

[@mrdrone4253]

Which god?

[@Dustquake]

I'm late to this party. I particularly was amused with how Matt brought up the pionts of many aetheists and just wanted coherent answers given, but got the same treatment.

[@StevenBerg69]

I'm an old earth creationist and totally agree with Matt. I live seeing Ken Ham being put in his place. William Lane Craig says that young earth creationism is an embarrassment to Christianity.

[@bigcountrymountainman9740]

How is Young Earth creationism embarrassing to christians? Considering that the Bible clearly states in Genesis chapter 1 that the first morning and the first evening was " first day. And then it says that it was the second day the third day the fourth day? The key word there is " the ". Newer versions of the Bible says a day. It doesn't say the day. If you look in the Hebrew, from the original manuscripts, it says the first day the second day the Third day. Not only that, if the Earth is older than about 6,000 years old, then all of the timelines and all of the genealogies in the Bible are absolutely wrong. What about the fact that the prophets talk about the Earth being created in 6 days? They don't say that the Earth was created in six days, but they talk about specific days when things were created.

[@bigcountrymountainman9740]

Did you know that William Craig outright denies the trinity? He believes in a trinity, but not the trinity. He doesn't believe in God the Father God the son and God the holy spirit.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

​@@bigcountrymountainman9740does that make you want to kill William Lane Craig like Calvin killed Michael Servitus?

[@HangrySaturn]

@@bigcountrymountainman9740 What slander

[@bigcountrymountainman9740]

@@HangrySaturn what slander are you taking about?

[@yabutmaybenot.6433]

I'm shocked to discover that Ken Ham and Eric Hovind would misrepresent someone and blatantly lie about them. This is so out of character for them! ;)

[@thomascarroll9556]

😂😂😂😂

[@c.guydubois8270]

I'm shocked, yes shocked 2KVDC, shocked I tell ya.. That professional grifters would lie and distort a rival's cherished interpretation of the unholy narrative that is contrary to their own....

[@annemargrethe3626]

It is NOT!

[@RicanNavy0415]

And the Irony award goes to...…. Ken Ham and AIG for complaining and objecting multiple times on this video of how their position is being mischaracterized and misrepresented.

[@BigHeretic]

...whilst all the time misrepresenting their critics.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

That’s because all forms of creationism contain some measure of dishonesty.

[@zo7vette]

The schadenfreude it burns, it burns so hard. I love watching Christians battling over their bible. Both think they are right, but we all know they can't both be right, but we all know they can both be wrong.

[@brettvv7475]

@Marilyn Newman Bloodshed? Who said anything about bloodshed?

[@joe86johnson]

@map 529 yep cause we're just about to set a theocracy for sure!! Um, America is as ungodly and non Christian as it's been in it's entire history and it's never been even close to a theocracy. One day there will be a true theocracy with Jesus Himself as the King and all unrighteousness and wickedness will be cast out. That's bad news for sinners like you and me except that God is so loving, He made a way for our cleansing. Its more wonderful than I can comprehend! "Kiss the Son lest you perish in the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little"

[@bokononbokomaru8156]

@@joe86johnson god is so loving that, should you not accept him/ it, you will burn in a lake of fire for all eternity. I guess that's tough love

[@joe86johnson]

@@bokononbokomaru8156 that is correct, although I certainly detect this sarcasm. it is a combination of God's love and his hatred that motivates him to put people in hell forever. I love children, and part of loving children is that I hate the abuse of children. My love for children makes me want to put child abusers away for a very long time. Same thing goes for people in general. Because I love people I have to hate murder and murderers. If I'm okay with murderers going unpunished it means I don't love people. God is himself the greatest glory and beauty inside and outside of this universe. Everything he does is wonderful And he deserves to be praised and adored. It is the greatest injustice in this universe the humans, who are uniquely able to perceive and appreciate his glory often are the ones who withhold praise and glory from him. God loves his glory and especially his son and those that hate his glory and hate and reject his son, He hates. In the presence of God is the sum of all joy and happiness. In the complete and total absence of the presence of God, is the sum of all misery and sorrow. Got himself has called out to you and desires that you choose life instead of death and choose blessing instead of a curse. Which one will you choose?

[@bokononbokomaru8156]

@@joe86johnson have you stoned any unruly children lately, beaten a slave only so much that he doesn't die within a couple days, or killed Canaanites (except for young females that you keep for your own uses)? What? New covenant? I say not one jot or tittle shall be changed until Yeshua ben Yosef says otherwise. So, I suspect you mean well, but that God is a murderous thug and should be filed away with all the other barbaric myhologies. You dont need a magical, invisible being to live a good life and be nice to people. Bon chance

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

What a pity the all-knowing god of the Universe couldn't harmonize the world with his perfect revelation; avoiding so much confusion.

[@nathanmiller9918]

He created everything, except a book that could be taken literally.

[@Pow_FIsh]

@@nathanmiller9918 try to find curvature using surveying equipment. The book is literally right.

[@nathanmiller9918]

@@Pow_FIsh It's definitely not.

[@Pow_FIsh]

@@nathanmiller9918 imagine some test for curvature, it doesn't matter which, just that for you it would prove curvature, there's many ways to imagine such a test, based on globe math make concrete predictions, again doesn't matter what you predict. Test your predictions versus what you observe. I promise you, the globe math never works. You can always see further than you're supposed to be able to.

[@nathanmiller9918]

@@Pow_FIsh Hilarious. I've some experience with orbital mechanics. It's definitely a globe. You guys can't properly describe a sunset.

[@Kholdaimon]

Matt Walsh about Genesis: "You can't take that shit literally man, the science just doesn't back it up!" Matt Walsh about gay people: "The bible literally says it is wrong man, I don't care what the science says!" Consistency is key...

[@emreakkaya6400]

He said that about Genesis, not the whole Bible you illiterate peon

[@lila5844]

As an atheist, I respectfully disagree. Science cannot say whether homosexuality is morally wrong or right, else the naturalistic fallacy would be committed. What science can do, however, is show that certain scientific claims that Matt Walsh makes to prove that homosexuality/transgenderism is wrong are either false or unsupported. For example, Matt Walsh often denies the distinction between gender and sex, which has been proven false by science. Also, the Bible clearly does condemn homosexuality.

[@Kholdaimon]

@@lila5844 Obviously science can't say whether something is morally wrong, but we can say that homosexuality is perfectly natural and is exhibited in many different species. To say it is immoral when the science proves it is a natural part of the spectrum of sexuality is just bizarre...

[@maskim7132]

That was a good debate. It's hard to believe that they toss around that they have PHDs but are completely ignorant to real scientific evidence. This video did a good job exposing that

[@alisaurus4224]

Georgia has said that she lied to get her degree. She doesn’t believe mainstream science (because it contradicts the AiG reading of the Bible) and just regurgitated what she studied so she could have the authority of the credentials to spread anti-science BS with

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

Have you ever considered the thousands of PhD scientists who are creationists are actually NOT ignorant to real scientific evidence? Nobody has ever observed any of the following processes requires for Evolution to qualify as science: 1. Information being added to the genome 2. Increasing genetic complexity 3. Primary definition of Macro-evolution 4. Evolution Theory also presupposes an unobserved process for life coming from non-life. Note I am not saying Evolution Theory directly include this, I'm saying it presupposes and I only include it because Creationism has been excluded from peer-review for 180 years for presupposing an unobserved process for life coming from non-life

[@billjohnson9472]

@@lightbeforethetunnel first of all, you don't get to specifiy "you must observe x for evolution to qualify as a science" then provide silly things. I doubt you have any training in science. Science is about theories that fit *observed* facts. The theory of evolution fits all of the observed facts very well. There is no concept in science about things that must be observed.

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@billjohnson9472 You're talking with a flat earther hardcore fundamentalist YEC. There's almost no chance of having a meaningful conversation about science or evidence with a normal flat earther. All you're going to get as replies are ignorant assertions.

[@captainobvious2435]

​@@billjohnson9472 yeah alot of Christians believe in evolution.

[@catnerdadrian7601]

It's like watching two people arguing over the colour of the sky. One says its neon green The other says its pink And theres Paul who actually looked outside and was willing to take the evidence that it is blue

[@norelfarjun3554]

My book clearly states that the sky is dark brown These are all the facts I need

[@Nilsy1975]

Catnerd David ah, but on Vulcan It's orange 😜

[@catnerdadrian7601]

@@Nilsy1975 Vulcan is full of heathans

[@Nilsy1975]

Catnerd David and a ripoff of Venusians 😑

[@ErikHare]

The sky is Black Watch Plaid, you monochromatic apologists! Obviously you're paid by someone to deny this.

[@justsomeguy2825]

Ken Ham and Eric Hovind in one video? Hopefully my brain doesn't melt.

[@cartmanrlsusall]

It won't melt but you may develop diharia.

[@tfive24]

Jake and Paul did a video with Ray comfort and kent ham in the same video.

[@morgothfromangband6082]

And now only Kent is missing.

[@tonydarcy1606]

Reminds me of that old rhyme: One fine day in the middle of the night, Two dead men got up to fight, One blind man to see fair play, Two dumb men to shout "Hooray" !

[@iluvtacos1231]

Oh! My grandma told me this version: One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight. Back to back, they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other. A deaf policeman heard the noise and came a-runnin, And shot those two dead boys. Now if you don't believe this lie is true, Ask that blind man over there, he saw it too.

[@AJ-kw3vk]

"True science will always line up with the right interpretation of scripture" AAUGH -rips hair out- So now you can reject anything you don't agree with, because it's either not true science or not the right interpretation. Brilliant!

[@mordec1016]

Taylor White they're not wrong. They're correct, since they assume the Bible cannot be wrong. The problem is they are way more confident that their interpretation of the Bible is correct, than they are about scientific claims. This is the central problem with YECs.

[@Pow_FIsh]

and yet, no proof of curvature, no proof of space, no proof of evolution,

[@anotherskeleton]

Debate summary... Christian 1: “My superstitious magic is true!” Christian 2: “Nuh uh, my slightly less superstitious magic is true.... maybe.” 🤣 Great video, Paul! Killing it as usual.

[@Paulogia]

thanks, another skeleton!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@Paulogia please do more of these, this is by far the best way to point out the fallacies of religion - set them against each other, atheists are the good guys, but we always get made out to be the work of satan, when it's people like ken and hovind, set them against each other.

[@CT-5555-7]

@@HarryNicNicholas “atheists are the good guys”. Tell that to the 100 million victims of atheist communism who used atheism to justify their genocide. I don’t know if you realize this, but people like you have become somewhat of a joke. Your intellectual laziness gives way to the stereotypical clueless, miserable atheist, which isn’t really a stereotype, more of an observation. Have some self awareness. “The fallacies of religion” you ripped that straight out of the communist manifesto lmfao. It’s baffling how every atheist seems to know absolutely nothing about the religion they criticize, instead attacking a version they made up in their heads. Atheists are a laughing stock and it’s not hard to see why.

[@CT-5555-7]

Typical atheist fashion lmao. Mock and attack a completely made up version of Christianity, and claim victory. Your ignorance is actually painful

[@PeaceArt1]

Keep doing these videos. It really helps shows the craziness of AiG even to Christians.

[@jtveg]

This is the problem with theology. Arguing over how many angels fit on the head of a pin and eventually going to war over it. 🅸🅳🅸🅾🆃🆂 🤦‍♂️

[@phileas007]

I agree, the REAL question is how many pins fit on the head of an angel...

[@jtveg]

@@phileas007 I can help you there. The answer is 0 because angels don't exist.

[@tabbyheraclitus7835]

An amazing waste of intellectual energy. The Hovind camp is saying the answer is infinity because God has no limits, while Walsh is saying the answer is 0 because angels are in your heart not on pins...

[@myoneblackfriend3151]

The writer of Genesis wasn’t there either.

[@c.guydubois8270]

"I had a black friend once " USAF race relations class example of a trigger words.. Dog whistle?

[@mikedavis979]

Thanks for doing all the work in selecting and editing all the clips from all those videos! Great episode!

[@brettbrewer6091]

Young-Earth creationism portrays the bible in the most ridiculous way, Ken Ham has championed the most ridiculous interpretation his whole life. It's gotten so absurd, that he's now in the position of arguing against a flat earth, yet a flat earth belief is the obvious consequence for arguing for a literal biblical interpretation.

[@j.graham8068]

I can't imagine the amount of work it took to make this video. It's so well done. Thanks for having the patience to do it, Paul.

[@Paulogia]

It was more than I expected... thanks, J.

[@jessephillips8319]

What do you mean, Paul is just sitting in the corner blinking. Seems like he put no work into this. 😜

[@paulwettstein7071]

watching Christians disagree with each other just makes their case worse. I think we should get Westboro Baptist Church involved in this debate.

[@PCBEaR65]

While funny to consider, you KNOW they'd just keep it down to Ad Hominem attacks with stock placards.

[@kightsun]

or maybe at least 1 representative of the oldest and the majority denominations. Prots are Prots

[@paulwettstein7071]

@@PCBEaR65 true

[@chaldeang7687]

Atheists don't ever disagree with each other?

[@coffeeandbytes9854]

@@chaldeang7687 you're missing the point.

[@SawtoothWaves]

Matt is less wrong lol

[@takeovermars]

I am super impressed with the amount of work you had to put in to make this work! Amazing job

[@alexwilli]

If KZbin advertisement AI was smart, it would insert Pop Corn ads in this video.

[@ttyler01]

Thank you for posting lectures from Christine Hayes - thats new information for me. I'm honestly not sure I can listen to the entire "debate" or not, but if nothing else was accomplished for me than these linked lectures then I consider it a home run...

[@davidwatson8118]

Junkies arguing over their Drug induced delusions.

[@robertnett9793]

Now I wish Hunter S. Thompson had made a reportage about this debate...

[@HarryNicNicholas]

nice one.

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Coke vs meth😂

[@maximum_dakka]

It's interesting to see that Matt is capable of scientific thinking. I mostly know him from his ravings on depression, which are so far removed from anything we actually know on the topic that even the words "scientifically inaccurate" would lend them too much legitimacy.

[@mikepublic111]

I love it when theists argue among themselves. How can they possibly have the gall to criticize nonbelievers?

[@c.guydubois8270]

👍

[@IsraelCountryCube]

youre literally worse THAN THEM! youre an IDIOT! how could you possibly BE STUPID to wish them HELL! THATS WHAT YOURE DOING!! HOW COULD AN ATHEIST BE MORE MORALLY CORRUPT ALREADY THAN YOU!!! YOU JUST ACCUSED THEM OF FIGHTING AMONG THEMSELVES YOU ASSHOLE!

[@Coramelimane]

I've noticed when creationists start spinning a yarn, they start speeding up, like they're trying to push past the topic at hand.

[@Coramelimane]

The fact PHD. Giggles says that about science, as a scientist makes me wish she would remove the Dr. from her name.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

I don't think it's when they lie, that is whenever they open their mouths, but it's when they go from improvised speech to words learned by heart. Kent Hovind had the same "tell"

[@ChristopherCudworth]

Good point. Frantic fear exposed

[@Nilsy1975]

Watching Christians fight is like watching Star Wars & Star Trek fans fighting. It's just hilarious 🤣

[@TheVeryHungrySingularity]

Yeah, Star Wars fans actually think they stand a chance. It's so funny!

[@catnerdadrian7601]

It's over William. I have the high ground!

[@Nilsy1975]

William actually, I didn't mean Star Wars vs Star Trek fans. I mean when they infight over who is better, like Kirk vs Picard fans or Darth Vader vs Darth Maul fans.

[@catnerdadrian7601]

@@Nilsy1975 yea but at least in those stories we got some sweet memes

[@Nilsy1975]

Catnerd David agreed and I happen to enjoy both ☺ my girlfriend thinks Jar Jar Binks is a good character 😧

[@K.Marie119]

*"Must we take this literally and believe that the Earth does not move?"* (in reference to psalm 104.) Clearly Matt has not discovered the insanity of Flat Earthers.

[@jhmejia]

Or anyone in the Catholic Church before Galileo since it’s heresy to have a heliocentric view

[@Tzimiskes3506]

@@jhmejia have you even read history?

[@Tzimiskes3506]

yeah that's because the bible doesn't teach a flat earth...

[@jhmejia]

@@Tzimiskes3506 hard to define but like I guess so I mean he was sentenced to life in prison (changed to house arrest for life) by the Catholic Church for saying that the sun was at the center of the solar system, so… yeah that was a clearly mainstream view of people back in the day

[@Tzimiskes3506]

@@jhmejia yeah but that's because it wasn't heresy but that there was just not enough evidence to support that theory... Its like charging Charles darwin for not knowing about genetics... And that's such a strawman considering Galileo was a devout Christian and so was every other scientiftist including the fact that atheism played no role in the scientific method... Its a sad appeal at best...

[@vydkeryx5660]

In this time of looking back on the last year, I want to thank you for your hard work and clear thinking. The video about father's day was world class! What started as a fun twist on breakfast billboard click bait, has become my most respected YT creator. Thanks Paul. "Rock On".

[@Paulogia]

Thanks, Vyd! Means much.

[@katieoberst490]

I. Love. This. Video!!!! Thank you!!! You put a ton of work into this and so many of us appreciate it!!! Edit: Also, thank you Matt Walsh for those of us who hope a god like the one he believes in exists, even when many of us tend to doubt it.

[@DeconvertedMan]

Mark has science on his side for the age of earth/universe. Everyone else has nothing on there side.

[@DeconvertedMan]

@Hector Defendi no.

[@BluePhoenix_]

@@DeconvertedMan there really was a guy called "Defendi" here? That's an awesome name, if you want to defend something.

[@MartinMcDarren]

it's a fact that the word "truth" is meaningless when in use by these people.

[@victorbergman9169]

yes, Matt should just acknowledge religion is fake he doesn't even believe in his Bible

[@BluePhoenix_]

@@victorbergman9169 both sides, i think Matt is much more reasonable, he seems to accept science, for the most part.

[@randywhitney4882]

Con artists debating scammers...vying for the cash kingdom crown.

[@cartmanrlsusall]

You summed it up well

[@sandakureva]

If I'm honest, Matt Walsh is SOOO close. Somewhere in the back of his head, lights are blinking; registering the contradictions he's hearing. Perhaps we'll score a second Seth Andrews type in the future.

[@jtbesquire]

Man, they're all sooooo close! (31:40ish) What kind of horrible God would let death and suffering and disease go on for millions of years? Exactly. They're almost there.

[@fieldrequired283]

That whole exchange was excruciating. "It doesn't make sense, why would God create a world with death and disease and suffering for millions of years" "oh yeah? Well why would god punish all animals for the sins of mankind" Meanwhile I'm here shouting "why the fuck would god punish _me_ for _Adam's_ sins?". Is that just? Is that fair? The fact laid painfully bare in the bible itself is that the god of the bible _is not just or kind,_ and they have to constantly blame humans for being made ""wrong"" in order to excuse the flagrant cruelty of the petty, spiteful, genocidal tyrant who they claim made them that way.

[@AaronLeeNewman]

I felt sorry for Eric for a long time. He suffered a form of narcissistic abuse from his father. I feel sorry for that and then he starts talking. I can't feel sorry for a person who was abused then makes the conscious decision to continue that abuse onto others. It's sad. That is all.

[@DBCisco]

According to one of my favorite Rabbis: "The entire (Jewish) Bible is allegorical poetry and prose."

[@robertnett9793]

Don't worry - the Christian addendum isn't better in any way :D

[@LetruneInedil]

@@robertnett9793 What sequel was better than what was before? :3

[@robertnett9793]

@@LetruneInedil : Hmm. Depending on how you ask, some people like Guardians of the Galaxy II over the first part... (I stay agnostic in this particular question for I like both parts). And - not truly a sequel but a remake: I like the Limp Bizkit version of Behind blue eyes over the The Who version...

[@LetruneInedil]

@@robertnett9793 Hmmm, I could allow so. I mean, comparatively, Christianity improved over Jewish tradition, and Islam improved over Middle Ages Christian tradition. And then these all were sweeped off, and these remained in place. Not adapting enough. But on the main topic - I had not seen the movies yet. I wished to but... I confess, things got up in the way. I heard good things about Guardians of the Galaxy. Would you suggest it for scifi, or is it more like a comedy-ish thing?

[@jwickerszh]

@@LetruneInedil both movies are pretty good, definitely worth watching.

[@jaysonedson]

It's funny when you see AIG holding up books of theirs you can buy while talking about Matt yet he just gives his points when responding to them.

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

I would think that if a book were factually accurate, there wouldn’t be any discussion over the contextual meaning of “yom” I think this entire disagreement over how this book is interpreted should point to it being a load of fables.

[@kightsun]

or how Gen 1 clearly mimics Memphite and Babylonian theology as a polemical poem, following a 7 day temple consecration motif.

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

GottaGetMe6 and your qualifications are...what exactly? Im pretty certain snakes don’t talk...

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

GottaGetMe6 I’m sorry, I asked for your qualifications. Not a reading list. I said it’s a sign that points to it being mythical, another sign is LITERALLY ALL THE MYTHOLOGICAL SHIT THAT HAPPENS IN IT.

[@dannyd1098]

wow, an apologist (Matt Walsh) who says rational things for once. That was refreshing

[@moodyrick8503]

The ONLY question to be asked is, "How do you CONFIRM which bible parts to follow Vs which parts to ignore"? *Nowhere does the bible say, "Parts Of This Are Just Made Up Stories", or "Some Of This Should Be Ignored"* *What "mechanism" are they using to tell bible fact from bible fiction???* _(faith)_ Contradictory beliefs held by thousands of denominations is *clear evidence of the confusion caused by the bible*

[@nemilyk]

This... this is the most beautiful, amazing thing I've ever watched...

[@friedtofu4568]

What about the kazoo kid?

[@jimhresco1728]

And on the seventh day God rested... and has been laughing ever since

[@Darth12000]

I loved how you were "eating popcorns" in the middle of the screen, Paul, while Matt was rebuting effectively both Ken and Eric. :D

[@rev68]

When my email alert went off this morning, I knew it would be a new Paulogia video. Clearly evidence god exists.

[@snorribjorn5074]

Thank you so very much for linking to Dr. Hayes' lecture series. It is amazing! (You're work is very good as well, so thank you for your work as well!)

[@jaywhite3655]

As a fellow Canadian and Athiest, I find your videos enlightening and watch every chance I can. Keep up the good work. I truly feel bad for young earth creationists. I couldn't live in a world with debilitating tunnel vision.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Atheism is false because you literally stupidly foolishly insulted christians nice job atheist!

[@lawrencerobinson9979]

Nope,too much money with this grifter

[@pdxcorgidad]

This is freaking great. Hear that pause when he was saying, "These are...the only writings about Jesus..."? FABULOUS.

[@chunkycornbread4773]

He also said they were "first hand accounts" something we know to be false.

[@pdxcorgidad]

@@chunkycornbread4773 Yeah. Hell, the author of Luke even says he wasn't an eye witness.

[@lebojay]

When God publishes his second edition, I hope he includes a foreword with some interpretation tips, because the first edition of his perfect instructions to mankind are so ambiguous that even like-minded faithful Christians can’t agree among themselves what they mean.

[@mathscience9033]

I find it amazing that there are all of these interpretations of a book that is supposed to speak the truth. Seems to me like people are just using it the way they want

[@bobidstein450]

"For those of you who aren't aware of who Matt Walsh is....." Consider yourself very fortunate.

[@danieldomen2057]

Paulagia, you Sir deserve some praise for your patience and editing skills.

[@Paulogia]

thank you so much, Daniel

[@irrsinnig2349]

That was like watching 2 children arguing whose sandcake tastes the best.

[@mrdrone4253]

It's like debating which Batman is best

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Or Star Wars fans vs Star Trek fans.

[@gyllkrans]

54:50 "If sin and death has no connection... then the gospels make no sense" Oh, he was so close to the truth and he didn't even realise it!

[@rbtmdl]

The bible is meant to be taken literally except when it's not.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

I attended a conservative, Christian school. If Ken Ham had walked into our science class and said that the world was 6000 years old and people walked with the dinosaurs... the teacher and the entire class would have laughed him out of there.

[@billyskyline570]

Excellent composure Paul. I was tearing my hair out watching this. Matt is a perfect example of how religion has given so much ground over the years and will eventually dissipate as time goes by and the age of intelligence and reason take a stronger foothold on humanity.

[@misanthropicmusings4596]

I imagine that Paul takes about an hour so he can get all the laughing out and get himself together before editing this stuff -- no way he couldn't.

[@stephenallman1044]

They earth is clearly middle aged.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

it does have a bit of a bulge around it's middle.

[@TheVeryHungrySingularity]

How do you have a day without a sun?

[@fred_derf]

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. So the earth had day time light and night time darkness for two days before the sun existed and we are supposed to take the bible literally. I really don't understand how young earth creationists can believe the crap that they believe.

[@Grim_Beard]

Grow lights?

[@gaynomadic]

At one point the bald Christian says when god made the earth the fruit trees were created with fruit already hanging on them. Was the fruit season--appropriate? Summer fruits only on the trees that happened to find themselves in the middle of a summer season? And what part of summer? Early or middle or late? So were there some early fruits already rotting on the ground? And what about the fact that many fruit trees need the bees to cross pollinate them etc in order to bear fruit? These and other questions need answering.

[@mrpo3496]

@@fred_derf The story continues with the magic tree and snake talking to a woman and later angels summon a flaming sword. What do you really expect from people that really believe the story as historical account?

[@gaynomadic]

@Instrumentally Godless Thanks instrumentally. You are right, there are literally thousands of inconsistencies and absurdities, most of which are never actually even addressed by theists. Why anyone with a developed brain bothers giving the religious accounts any credence at all just astounds me.

[@MrGabou77]

The research and editing work that must have gone into this... Great work!

[@Roedygr]

We have thousands of ways of dating things. Just because you have refused to learn about them does not mean they don't exist.

[@radordekeche947]

around 35:00 - Matt was probably asking, essentially, "what happened to the fossils of the dinosaurs on the ark?" If they didn't survive long enough to repopulate, why bring them? And if they did, where are their fossils?

[@phill633vgs]

I’ll debate young earth creationism for ten grand...

[@DBCisco]

One of my studies at uni was population studies under Dr. Woods (PSU) who developed the 'Malthus/Bosrup Ratchet' theory. These clowns have no clue about anthropology.

[@mtbee9641]

It always amazes me how creationists have to ignore so much evidence to believe in unsupported mythology! Thank you for the videos. I don't know how you can stand editing this and having to listen to them all the time a you edit. Once is more than enough for me, especially as they are both arguing over unsupported mythology!

[@Puffalupagus360]

Forget what Matt Walsh says about yec. What needs to be highlighed is his extremely dangerous rhetoric/views on LGBTQ rights and acceptance.

[@turboguppy3748]

Nicely done Paul. Your hard work has generated one of my favorite Christian debate videos. Edit: you know, for huge portions of the material you can barely tell Matt is even a Christian. Never thought I'd cheer for him. What have you done, Paul? You bastard...

[@jhmejia]

Never thought I’d be rooting for Matt Walsh, but here we are

[@blairhitchings5218]

Lets watch a bunch of people who are demonstrably wrong debate over who is demonstrably wronger.

[@Paulogia]

Yup. Happy new year!

[@blairhitchings5218]

@@Paulogia Happy New year Paul.

[@lardonirdesco]

So its a debate to see who can polish a turd the most then..

[@0x777]

It's more like a debate between two little boys claiming to know better than the other one what their imaginary buddy likes best for dinner. Just without the hair pulling and name calling.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@Trump Means ... well one at least has downloaded the Mythbusters experiment and bought polishing paste and feltwheels and what not, while the other claims "all you need is spit and your jacket-sleeve... while sittin there in a shortsleeved shirt with no jacket in sight.

[@lardonirdesco]

@Kevin McDougall Well one thing is for sure... They have taken the chrome off it..

[@germanvisitor2]

Bruce Campbell. He can polish any turd.

[@gecko-saurus]

Finally Young Earth Creationism is put in its place and not shown as the standard belief of any Christian as proponents of it claim. Since Morris and Price several decades ago, it has seemed that way, but in reality, Christianity is not based on the unscientific interpretations of _humans_ like young Earth creationists. I am a Christian myself, but I opt to appreciate science and the incredible world it explains not twist it around to support a "biblical" theory I desperately cling to.

[@thomabow8949]

It's a little funny how well Matt Walsh is doing at poking holes against scripture dogmatism, and well, the scripture itself, which to practically everyone of your audience base is a rather blatant issue and motivator for one's lack of belief, and yet he *still* managed to come out of this with a firmly held theology

[@HConstantine]

WLC and John Lennox are important theologians?

[@godlessrecovery8880]

Relatively... it's a very, very low bar.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

I'd call them mediocre philosophers with amateurish understanding of theology. But then even if they were worldclass theologians, being the best Harry Potter Trivia-Quizzer still means you only rely on faulty source material to get your knowledge.

[@Dee-Eddy]

I need more of these fan fiction battles

[@friedtofu4568]

Should've used the mortal combat theme song for the intro

[@juozapasjurksa1400]

Theistic evolutionist here. Really enjoyed this video!

[@joehinojosa8314]

What did the " Talking serpent" SAY about How long the Yom WAS?

[@bibulousape]

The scary thing about watching this in 2022 is realising Matt Walsh is capable of intellectual honesty...

[@FourKnown]

My Christian apologetics group met this morning and watched this. We all got a lot from it. I think it was a good way to contrast the two opposing views. It was easier to see the exchange this way as opposed to watching each one separately. I do quite a bit of videography and video editing, so I can appreciate the time it takes you to put these things together. Thanks for doing it :)

[@FourKnown]

@The Dude That's real helpful.

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

I take the position that there's no evidence whatsoever that the earth is young, and all arguments for a young earth have been debunked. Can anyone provide evidence that proves me wrong?

[@simongiles9749]

Muh HoLy BuUk!

[@gecko-saurus]

Why do Eric, Ken, and other other young Earth creationists here look so much more troubled or distressed than normal. I thank Matt Walsh for managing to finally show them off their high horses. I don't agree entirely with Matt's religious position, but i can agree than many of his points here are valid and effective.

[@obiwankenobi2520]

I’m late, very. But heres something Ken Ham has posted on KZbin. “If the history in the Bible concerning our origins were not true, then we would have no reason to trust the gospel message, which is based in that history.”

[@iluvtacos1231]

It's really funny to me know that he'll accept the vast opinion of scientists who say the earth is 4.5 billion years old and evolution is a thing but when it comes to trans and gay folks, he ignores ALLLLLL the science and doctors.

[@memyselfandi4173]

I know this is an older video, but I've been watching/re-watching them because I'm in a mood to be amused by creationists lately. Plus, watching Christians argue with each other is always hilarious, so here we are. This one is particularly hilarious because the two "camps" are both trying to save their hemorrhaging religion. Walsh fears that creationist nonsense will turn off potential believers and/or cause current believers to abandon the faith -- which is true, of course! -- while Ham & Co.'s mission has never been about converting nonbelievers to Christianity, but rather about convincing saner Christians to accept creationist nonsense. They seem to think that if they offer an alternative to...well, reality that sounds plausible enough to people who aren't particularly literate when it comes to science, then they might prevent the faith from bleeding out as fast as it is. With the bonus of lining their pockets, of course. So both sides here recognize on some level that their religion is dying, but one side thinks that pushing creationism is the cure while the other side thinks that pushing creationism is the problem. Hilarious!

[@TheJoshissaxy]

I never thought I'd ever side with Matt Walsh on anything

[@jksfghy]

Thanks so much for putting this together!

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

You could've left Ham out of the video after 8:38, where he straight-up admits his entire point rests on protecting the bible from being critically examined.