Menendez Brothers: Did Netflix's 'Monsters' Trigger New Investigation?

Did the #Netlfix "Monsters" series spark a new investigation into the conviction of #ErikMenendez and #LyleMenendez? CourtTV's #VinniePolitan and guests discuss the L.A. District Attorney's press conference about the #MenendezBrothers.
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[@katie4aday511]

the bias of the reporter is clear. Lets also not forget that they are jailed for 30 years and the molestation defense was tossed out as arguement by the judge in the second trial. So was that fair. I think its good enough for habeas. The menudo victim is very very credible.

[@christinelivebird]

These kids were severely abused. Enough is enough. Let them go

[@IndianOutlaw1870]

I was abused, but I didn't take a shotgun to my abusers.

[@lisalappe]

@@christinelivebird agreed all this info on other kids the father abused as come out so apparently it's true that father was abusing them. If they were going threw the process of court they would be found not guilty

[@glee_again2594]

And feared for their lives.

[@ultramagahoosierhermit2767]

Democrats will always believe the criminals

[@jennifertaylor2893]

Were you in the house?

[@jessiet8706]

It wasn't just SA, José controlled every aspect of their lives. Their parents never raised them to be independent, self-reliant adults--which is a form of abuse in itself. They reached adulthood and realized they were never going to be free. There are parallels here with the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case. And yes, 35 years is enough.

[@AmieAbel-y5x]

Kitty was complicit . As a mother she did not protect her children . The boys couldnt trust her to stop her abusive husband and she never left.

[@ninetimesaday]

@@AmieAbel-y5x she use to penis check Eric. She was awful too.

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

Yeah, this guy is trying to act like he has some special point of view, dismissing her abuse. Geez, did he even do any research?

[@TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie]

Anyone can be a victim of sexual abuse. Any gender, any race, any age, anyone.

[@u812notme]

Mom is just as guilty for not helping the boys vinnie

[@itic3]

@@u812notme yes 👍🏼 and according to reports she had sometimes joined in , in the molestation

[@bearerofvictory]

“Monsters” perfect title for their parents.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

Exactly thats what I thought when I saw title that the parents would be the monsters

[@Fatatua]

​@@phillipmartinez9232Great point!! Mom was definitely missing the nurturing and protecting gene, not normal. Even if dad threatened and ordered mom to look away or else, she should have called the police. Perhaps she was afraid to lose her house and bank account ??

[@christinag3069]

@@Fatatuashe was a POS egg donor.

[@michelleseveney9113]

It’s time. 35 years is enough and based on the life they’ve led in prison they have paid their debt. IMO

[@lovehandles2464]

I’m a man,, I was a victim of molestation as a child decades ago by a woman and everyone laughed at me. This case really touches my soul. I hope they are released

[@gmimi2]

I'm so sorry, no child should ever go thru that. I hope you have found peace and healing as much as you can 🙏.

[@TT_09]

Thank You! As the brothers have never claimed innocence. What I would like to see is empathy.

[@Carolanne1926]

Child sexual abuse is not ok I'm a victim myself from 5 years old till I was 13 I ran away to foster care these two brothers have done there time they have been punished enough they should not be published for being sexually abused they should be released from prison from Queensland Australia ❤

[@wildpalestinianf1addict590]

@@lovehandles2464 im so sorry to hear this💔

[@christinag3069]

So sorry for what you went thru. I hope you are in a good place now. I also believe they should be released.

[@teresaididntknowthat]

You don't want to leave facts out Vinnie, well someone should have to the judge at the time to let the SA evidence into the second trial. They never would have been in this long.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

The 2nd trialwas rigged, limited the abuse testimony, took away manslaughter and no cameras.

[@kellygadd6582]

Let them out!

[@Lilbird29]

Kitty was a monster too

[@melisamccarron7887]

@@Lilbird29 right! She was an enabler!

[@Bryan-lt9cn]

It never should have been 1st degree murder. Time for a new reevaluation.

[@ultramagahoosierhermit2767]

You have a sick mind

[@Bryan-lt9cn]

@@ultramagahoosierhermit2767 Considering Trump is your icon image I’m sure you have little capacity for rationality.

[@ultramagahoosierhermit2767]

@@Bryan-lt9cn oh contrair mon idiot. You are the one with a reality problem

[@lovehandles2464]

There is ample evidence they were victims of extreme abuse. What they did was wrong, but they were unjustly sentenced.

[@Bryan-lt9cn]

@@lovehandles2464 They never had to prove their abuse. It is basic fact of American judicial procedure!!! The state must prove your guilt of 1st degree murder. They didn’t the first time which is why they had a hung jury. The second trial the defense was not allowed to bring in materials relating to the abuse for defense by the judges decree.

[@TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie]

It's an area of huge interest INTERNATIONALLY .. I'm in Australia and have followed these brothers for years. My daughter especially is incredibly passionate as well regarding their innocence and release. This needs to be reviewed NOW!

[@kathrynaracsy3332]

Hey fellow Aussie 😊 i fully agree it should be reviewed big time...these 2 were young boys who were SA'd by their parents for god knows how long i fully believe that their've both done their time.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

Innocence is a little different. Manslaughter should have been the conviction which was 11 tears each so 22 total and they would have been put 22 years ago.

[@angiec9650]

Are you me?! Lol . Could have written this myself 🇦🇺

[@Brookë-x1s1m]

In light of new evidence, Lyle and Erik's case is being reviewed. They have a hearing scheduled for late November. Hopefully they will be released within the next year. 🤞

[@leiakiki3525]

@@TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie they are not innocent, that isn’t to be disputed. But it is looking good for a review of their sentence. It will be interesting to see what happens at the upcoming hearing.

[@Fluffylabellchatlane]

If there is new evidence the case needs to be reviewed.Period.

[@beepboop4016]

Don’t you worry. November 29th they get a retrial

[@phuck8627]

They didn't allow all the evidence they had at the time at the second trial anyway so that was already a problem

[@miriaoliveira4862]

@@beepboop4016 🙏

[@dreamcottie6836]

I feel 35 years is a long enough time to say that they’ve paid their debt to society. They did unalive their parents but yet were also victims of abuse! Let them men out!!

[@maxinekennedy1152]

I hope they are freed.

[@Jleigha]

Why? They were adults.

[@Cierrabuttercupbb24]

Amazing to see justice beginning…😮😢🧿😣😖

[@Jleigha]

For adults who murdered their parents for money and tried to hide it? Cool

[@andrewgouveia6889]

Host needs to do his research and get his facts straight. Both boys were not living away from home at the time of the murder. It was just Lyle who was away at school, and they had just bought him a new condo for school. Erik was about to go to UCLA and his father said he could not live on campus, and that he was to stay home to be closer to him, likely so he could keep abusing/molesting/raping him. That’s why the brothers did what they in August, before Lyle was supposed to back (away) to school. Erik had gone to Lyle with this news that the abuse was still happening after his father told him he couldn’t leave and was terrified. They were both terrified for what Erik was going to continue to endure. By saying both boys were living out of the home, the host is saying there was no additional threat to them, which is not true and has been widely explained by both brothers. It had everything to do with the father keeping Erik at home and not letting him leave.

[@lorraineokun8795]

The host is a loud-mouthed tv guy. Big on talk, short on facts.

[@MJA-st2yi]

If the host is going to be the judge and the jury and try and sway the audience then at least know the facts and do spread misinformation.

[@maddy131]

It’s so interesting how so much abuse of power by wealthy people is coming to light. It takes a certain kind of self centered was to build high levels of wealth. It takes narcissism.

[@stormiecherie]

SET THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS FREE

[@JusTice_42075]

@Vinnie Politan The enabler of any type of abuse is just an extension of the abuser. There is still a threat in a way. It could be emotionally the way they were thinking, because the mother knew and she did not stick up for them. She took the father's side every time .

[@lorraineokun8795]

She was more than an enabler - she abused Lyle herself. So many facts available if you really want to know and spout out an opinion.

[@Leanah30]

I think if people actually knew the details and the extent of the horrific abuse these guys endured since the age of 6, they wouldn't be opposed to them getting out. The father was a sadistic pedoph*le who not only terrorized his own sons but also abused other children. The brothers have suffered enough. They saved other children from being abused and they should not be locked up forever.

[@zyajones9360]

Oh please ....well why did they stay with their father still in their 20s....they're both were conniving monsters....keep them prison 4ever...

[@Leanah30]

@@zyajones9360 One of them did have his own place. Erik was about to go to college but the dad told him he'd have be home on the weekends. Erik knew the abuse would continue and was devastated. So he told Lyle and he confronted the dad and said he'd tell police about the abuse if he didn't stop and the dad threatened him because he would never let them expose him as an abuser. The dad had threatened them before if they told anyone so obvs they were afraid and thought they were gonna be killed. It's easy to say "just leave" when you don't understand their desperate situation

[@jgray690]

@@Leanah30 But the question is would the jury still convict. It's hard to predict but if we use the Gypsy Rose case. SHE was still convicted. Even with an abuse defense, the jury said you can't murder your mom.... And one could argue that the only reason she didn't get life in prison, was because it was her boyfriend, not her, that pulled the trigger. And HE did get life sentence. He is still sitting in prison, while she is free for that murder. So even if there is abuse, a jury still has to follow the law, which is that it's illegal to murder people. So since the fact they did murder them is not in dispute, I don't think the jury would have found them "not guilty." They admit they did it. That said, 30 year to life or 25 years to life, would still bring the chance for parole at this point. Which seems a reasonable outcome at this point. They did their time.

[@videoettaceo8900]

They sure weren't acting like victims on their little celebratory post murder spending spree

[@Leanah30]

@@jgray690 Gypsy's boyfriend didn't murder his abuser, the brothers did, there is a difference. The only reason the brothers got first degree was because the jury couldn't vote for manslaughter on the second trial. It was either first degree (resulting in life sentence or death) or not guilty, that's it. If the judge hadn't excluded the abuse evidence, that would've served as a mitigating factor to reduce it to voluntary manslaughter which means murder committed in the heat of passion or high emotion due to some provocation. No one is saying that murder is ok, of course it's illegal to murder people, but there is a difference between manslaughter and first degree murder. This was a manslaughter case because of extenuating circumstances. If they had gotten manslaughter which carries a prison sentence of 10 - 15 years max, they would have completed their sentence already and be out by now.

[@kilocharlie-tango8823]

I love when attorney Neama Rahmani is on a guest panel! I respect his input due to his varied experience in legal matters. He’s super smart, always nice, and never haughty or condescending.🙂

[@anacurci3643]

This reporter knows nothing about the case. He doesn't know the difference between Erik and Lyle?

[@itic3]

Exactly! Everyone who had any interest . Lyle was obsessed with his toupee , dead give away. Clearly he has not done his research. Poor reporting

[@laurie5804]

Release is the only acceptable decision. Move that hearing date up.

[@phillipmartinez9232]

Only 1 more month so they waited this long. Hopefully last few weeks

[@leiakiki3525]

They need time to prepare.

[@christinejones1721]

I hope if they get out, they do something good for the world!

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

Like what? lol That's a lot to have to worry about after being released from a life sentence.

[@clam371384]

I think the brothers deserved to be free. FYI, I didn’t watch the Netflix and will not. And in my opinion, we have enough evidence to set them free.

[@leiakiki3525]

Probably not a good idea to watch it, it’s highly dramatised and embellished. But the actors are amazing.

[@adib.72]

Yes! Let them freaking go! They didn't deserve it, jail or being abused!

[@lisalappe]

Enough is enough now these men were severely abused by their father. Its been out there now that the father abused other children. Let them out now!!

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

And that whacko of a mother.

[@RhaenyraGrace]

Psychologist here: Vinnie, Kitty wasn’t just complicit, she molested Llyle as he very credibly recanted at trial. There was not one perpetrator, but two abusing these boys. Regarding complacency, Llyle and Erik found out whenever Llyle confronted his mother on behalf of his brother that indeed she knew they were both being sexually molested and tortured by Jose and not only did she fail to protect them, but she saw them as sexual rivals! Childhood sexual trauma changes the wiring in the brain of its victims, making the 22 & 18 year old brothers more like 12 & 16 in emotional functioning. I could go on and on, but at the end of the day these two deserve to be freed!

[@urmyfuture1945]

❤️

[@christinelivebird]

From my understanding of what they claimed, kitty knew and was complicit in the abuse. Not sure if it’s true but that is what was alleged

[@glee_again2594]

Also in testimony I believe it was Erik who said he thought it was mutual about his Mom like he was confused (as he would be if SA) about what was not normal. And I trust it if not just for all of the relatives who believe the brothers and support them.

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

She was also an abuser in every possible way.

[@user-wi3mq1jw6h]

Investigate obviously the dads background.Theres women that really don't react fully knowing 😠not right😥

[@darrellhicks360]

Wow! THIS is big.

[@francesfitzgerald62]

It's about time.

[@bettypulsifer686]

Court tv needs to interview Cheri Woods , a madam who set up Jose with prostitutes and her telling what Jose did to her “girls”. Also Lyle did Indicate his mother’s sexual conduct towards him.

[@SergioTheOne]

Vinnie came off so biased and dismissive on this one. First, Lyle was *living in the pool house* while he was out of college and Erik was about to enter college but Jose had told him he would be *living in the family home* while he attended UCLA. So they were very much not out of the house. I also didn't appreciate how he came after the prosecutor as "someone known for setting criminals free". *That's an insane take.* I'm glad the guests, even former prosecutors got him all the way together.

[@KeepGoing225]

Agree on all counts here. I almost left the video. Clearly he knows nothing about the case at all.

[@janedoor4870]

Let them out!! There is a lot of substantial proof that they were abused. This should have been allowed at trial.

[@HeatherMarieDriscoll]

Yes! Erik and Lyle deserve to be free - from both prisons . The prison in which they reside STILL , and the prison that they lived in due to their parents'abuse and control . Supporting these two ALWAYS!!

[@RetrnRetrn]

Long overdue…….we want them free

[@videoettaceo8900]

No WE don't.

[@DarylDixon-zb4vw]

Eric and Lyle YES!!!!!!! FREEDOM

[@KimberlyThomas-q3w]

They were definitely sexual and physically abused. Members of their family testified in court that they witnessed abuse. They did their time for killing their parents but the parents are the real monsters

[@rosalindbaccello9658]

SET THEM FREE!!!!

[@abdulqayoomnawabi-xt8gm]

Justice for Menendez brothers🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ThereziaEmmanuellove]

Justice for Menendez brothers

[@bostonlove77]

I’m glad that they are having a chance…. And it was their father that has started this horrible thing! They have over did their sentences

[@verael9359]

LET THEM FREE!!!! THEY WERE ABUSED LIKE MANY OTHER KIDS. THERE EXIST MONSTER -ADULTS AND MONSTER-PARENTS.

[@jessice293]

I think in regard to the trial they should maybe get a new one because the abuse should’ve been allowed. But in regard to sentencing.. it wasn’t self defense, in the heat of the moment, it was PREMEDITATED! They made sure they had an alibi… they were adults and could’ve left, they weren’t children still reliant on their parents.

[@bluesun2001]

I'm glad these brothers have each other. They can spend hours, years to talk their trauma through and support each other and use their pain to help others. I hope they choose a positive path. There are lots of kids to be saved from monster parents.

[@durgasunil5438]

Vinnie? Seriously? Why kitty? Becuz she enabled the abuse and didnt do anything and SA ed lyle! Reasearch first!

[@leiakiki3525]

But that’s not what Lyle claimed in court, he said that she wasn’t strong enough to k!ll herself and they were doing her a favour so that she could also be free. In another video Lyle said that they loved their mother and that she was also tortured by Josè and had her life ruined. The whole situation is utterly devastating.

[@bluesun2001]

Just few years ago there was a case in Russia, where three sisters murdered their sexually abusive father with no guns - stabbing. Girls are in prison I belive, but all evidence shows they did it in self defense and should be freed. Point is - you don't need guns to stop the pain. Guns are wrong in my opinion, but in Menendez case, they would do it anyway to stop their emotional, physical, mental torture.

[@janetshapiro5020]

A: shouldn’t the judge’s decision to exclude SA evidence been appealed at the time? or perhaps it was?

[@leiakiki3525]

I believe it was however there was still no “evidence” that could prove the SA beyond hearsay as cause for motive, and therefore precluded as a defence. There was a defence for batter women allowed in California at that time but not for battered men.. isn’t that astounding?

[@carolbelyeu8748]

I hope the are released! They have done their time. No one missed those monster parents!

[@anacurci3643]

I hope they will be out this year. ❤❤❤❤

[@ashleymas6397]

The trial from the 1900s were SO biased, they not only disliked the menendez brothers but they also disliked Leslie (Erik’s lawyer) PERSONALLY which in no way is relevant.

[@leiakiki3525]

Well not liking Leslie is absolutely relevant if the jury felt like she was dishonest/insincere and had coached the men through their whole defence.

[@candaceflores1528]

I know from experience when siblings start talking about their SA emotions run higher and higher. His mother told him she knew. Eric thought if she knew she would protect him. She crushed that thought by knowingly doing nothing...

[@Jleigha]

Do not talk for dead people, Lyle. You don’t carry out suicide, you carry out murder.

[@leiakiki3525]

That clip was wild.

[@4MAGA]

Young boys have been violated for hundreds of years! Let those boys out now.

[@ultramagahoosierhermit2767]

The LA prosecutor is a ridiculous excuse for a prosecutor

[@phillipmartinez9232]

Yeah he's a joke like 1 in ny. But in this case though this is right decision if it gos that way which seems likely

[@darlenedutt5045]

I think they spent enough time and I do feel they were sexually assaulted by father and a drunk mother. We didn’t have to live their life.

[@bonniegropper]

I watched the trial and believed that they were s/a and there were family members who knew that they were being abused and not one of them came toward to do a damn thing to help them even their mom was complicit!Let them out!

[@kellydavis6821]

I think that they spent enough time in prison already after what they went through. Release them. Like it's been said, if it was the Menendez sister's, they NEVER would have served this much time!

[@Sam_M9119]

Yup, if it was Lisa and Erika, they would have been freed long ago.

[@RozyRoPink150]

I pray these brothers get released. I cannot even imagine that happening to me in the hands of my parents who are supposed to be my protectors…. Very tragic….. free the Menendez brothers

[@PBX2690]

Please free the Menendez Brothers 🙏💯❤️🆓🔜🇿🇦📣

[@ashleymas6397]

There was so much evidence AND THEY STILL GOT LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE. The system failed the brothers SO much.

[@Elkablues]

Jezz this guy doesn't even know which one is which. .how about YOU do your research lol.. Free these brothers ASAP 💯

[@reynareyjohnson3860]

They need to be free!!!!

[@lilybun13]

so insensitive.. 1:36

[@PrisonJunky]

CEARBEARS UP IN HERE you really believe the movie is truthful? Fools...

[@leiakiki3525]

The Netflix series? No, it’s a dramatisation not a documentary.

[@KarenD2023]

They paid their dues. It's time for the boys to come out

[@monicasanfillipo3313]

Let these men go free!!

[@sarakatharina2928]

Mrs. Menendez let it all happen, for over a decade. She was just as guilty as her husband for not protecting her six year old children.

[@Viviana1caraveo]

Kitty also sexually abused Lyle. On the trial, Lyle opened up about his mother’s abuse. She was no victim of Jose.. she was doing it to her own son too. Both parents significantly damaged and abused their sons.

[@ashleymas6397]

kitty was just as much of a monster as Jose was, she knew ALL along that Jose had been sexually abusing Erik AND lyle. She was NEVER a mother to them. They deserved to be freed.

[@fitehtegegn8096]

Erik and Lyle Menendez I'm rooting for you guys ❤❤!!!!!

[@waarsports]

Why are you telling people that DA Gascón is going to release these murderers when he did not say that?

[@kellydavis6821]

It was their first violent crime, NOT their first crime.

[@Sam_M9119]

Oh man, I am tearing up while watching this. While I was a toddler when the murders happened in 1989 and grew up believing the media spin, that is, until Roy Rosello came forward, thus leading me to look up everything about the trials etc. With a brand new set of eyes - and a background in behavioral science - I am 110% convinced Lyle and Erik Menendez were physically, emotionally and sexually abused by Jose and Kitty throughout their lives. Also, as the daughter of a narcissistic mother, the brothers' testimony - esp. Lyle's - about Kitty's emotional abuse, in particular, really struck a chord with me. These guys have done more time than they ever deserved and need to be set free!!!.

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

Bro is forgetting mother was an abuser as well. She had a big hand in destroying their lives!

[@DDMauriac]

Bonjour

[@CourtTV]

Bonjour

[@JLO868]

Really Vinny??? Why Kitie?? She let it happen she was complicit!! She did NOTTT protect her children that’s why!!!!

[@Animalfarm6cats]

Yes, I heard you. It is time they came home. It was their parents who were the MONSTERS. Did they do the right things NO?

[@max-be9ou]

I hope they get released they deserve it. After what they endured as children. I pray the menendez brothers go free

[@darlenecampbell8818]

Thank you Jesus set them free I always believed them😊

[@ASHANATORno2]

Kitty also SA’d those children and made them touch her. To say she an innocent person in this scenario is beyond untrue

[@Drae_Dirt]

No trial time served

[@komalmushtaq1136]

I truly hope and pray they are set free. They have suffered their entire lives.

[@debradestefano4429]

The mother, it was said, sexualized them too, but worst of all, to have had the traumas these two had from the father most of their entire lives, and the mother doesn’t do anything, in fact, emotionally makes it worse with physical and emotional abandonment and abuse, providing 0 protection, should be considered in the whole picture of their mentality.

[@Natalie72-m6v]

This is not new evidence - the boys had spoken of this letter which was sent to their cousin (if I remember correctly) and the cousin verified it - and there were sexual abuse allegations made by other family members - why did they imprison them in the first place 💔

[@brunovarela9848]

Parents both was guilty for child abuse physically and mental . I don't think they both would lie about they father sexual abuse and they mums consenting this abuse

[@clarefarrell1821]

The mother was not just complicit she also sexually abused her sons too.

[@nedwright3257]

No proof they were ever abused.

[@jenovapear9629]

The mother was abusing them. I think you're great Vinnie, but it sounds like you didn't watch the full court questions of the boys. The mother is a SA offender!

[@debradestefano4429]

PS….the mother had a gun and bragged how she intended to “ kill” something. As she openly made them hear they were not loved or wanted in lieu of giving up a career. Wow, how do you not see how deep this goes with her and how they could get to the point they did?

[@KeepGoing225]

I rarely disagree with you. But this time I have to. Kitty was also a threat. When children are raised in an environment where they are being sexually abused, physically abused, mentally abused, emotionally abused, and just abused in every way, by both parents they are both a threat. Kitty being a woman makes no difference. She sex trafficked those boys to their Dad. Prevented visitors etc from going near the the rooms where they were enclosed with their “Dad” taking showers and being rped. She apparently touched them and had them stand naked and exposed herself in front of them as well as the serious threats of harm, and extreme mental/emotional abuse. To a victim there are no lines there, they are one unit of abuse. There is no way out. There is nothing you can do. The logic is irrational because sure it’s impossible to raise children that way and they be capable of normal function. If I get a puppy and abuse and torture that puppy its whole life, as adult it mauls me one day. That’s a logical result of my own actions.

[@thehillmillers]

Let them go.

[@MJA-st2yi]

You are wrong, Erik still lived at home. You should know the facts better sir.

[@kellydavis6821]

Obviously, Lyle is the one without hair, Vinny😂

[@littlekicks5911]

Release the Menendez brothers!

[@superchick3556]

They should sue all of that court that put them in jail

[@katherinebransgrove2197]

Kitty was more than complicit. Lyle has stated that she sexually abused him as well.