Micro-LED TV: Next Stop, Your Living Room?

[@PietroPizzi]

I'm an electro engineer and my understanding of the biggest production cost problem is the fact, that they have to pick-and-place every single subpixel!? That made ~2.5 million opperations and that, as you said, very very accurate. Lets assume extremely fast 2 OP/s and that they made a TV from 20x10 modules. Then 200 module lines in paralell still need ~17 hours to produce the LED modules for ONE TV. Lets say the 200 lines, plus the rest for the module assembly into a full TV, fit in one factory and they produce 0 faulty modules, then they can produce 500 TVs/Year. If the pick-and-place machine is slower then 2 OP/s, or they make bad modules, or they can't fit 200 lines in a factory... then they can even produce less TVs/Year. If one know how much a TV factory cost per year, then we can calculate how much a TV have to cost at minimum.

[@16burneracc24]

it just prove pick & place method is already out of a question and they should focus on different approach

[@PietroPizzi]

@16burneracc24 There is a laser defusion process, which is faster, but I read it's for small high density displays and I don't know if that works for large TVs?

[@kellymoses8566]

2OP/s second is very slow

[@16burneracc24]

@@PietroPizzi Q-Pixel developed their own fabrication method using Polychromatic MicroLEDs instead using RGB sub pixel they use just 1 polychromatic which increase yields, speeds up the process etc. the technology according to their website is scalable to smaller displays like phones, tablets, monitors.

[@michael-4k4000]

Micro LED is very very far away, from a cost perspective. Also, not sure it will ever be used. The average price for a TV is $1400. So the idea that people are going to spend $50k or more. Thats a huge difference in price, Samsung's Micro LED and Sonys Micro LED are over $100k. So these sets are not going to be popping of the shelves like hotcakes any time soon. Moreover, what's the problem with OLED? What am I missing? Now oled can do over 1k nits in a 10% window. So the brightness (so called problem) is over.

[@supermanifolds]

I used to dream of micro led but honestly they’ve made OLEDs so good now I’m ok waiting however long it takes

[@XeqtrM1]

Micro OLED, will come to tv eventually, so you can wait for that', ATM only 1 product with micro OLED and that's bigscreen beyond that's a vr headset

[@PAPO1990]

@@XeqtrM1micro OLED doesn’t really apply to TV’s. The thing that Micro LED is trying to achieve is just getting to the same size/ pitch as normal OLED. But for advanced VR headsets, you want a 4K panel the size of a postage stamp… THAT is what Micro OLED is aiming to achieve

[@TDamsma]

​@@PAPO1990Are you both not reading his comment? He clearly mentions Micro LED and states that he’ll wait patiently because the current OLED technology is so good that he doesn’t see any reason to upgrade anytime soon.

[@PAPO1990]

@@TDamsma what? I was just replying to someone talking about Micro OLED, like it’s going to kill Micro LED, when they are not at all targeting the same use cases

[@davidbee8178]

HEY there . . .I posted above that I have a Sony Master Series OLED TV that makes quality content look like HDR photographs - do we really NEED Micro-LED ? I don't think so :-)

[@garvinp6331]

I am honestly surprised there hasn't been any theaters with microled display

[@michaeldee3380]

Maybe MicroLEDs aren't suitable for theaters? I am still not convinced they are right for dark room viewing.

[@badpuppy3]

@@michaeldee3380 Isn't the Sphere in Las Vegas basically a giant MIcroLED Screen?

[@Fr3akyFrapz]

there is and it have been for a while now search micro led cinema ez to find on youtube.

[@freshboyfab]

@@michaeldee3380 MicroLED is already a standard in theaters and it’s considered the best theatrical viewing experience. Also, MicroLED cinema is around six times brighter than Dolby Cinema. The name of MicroLED screenings are called “Onyx Cinema”. Samsung created the standard.

[@djnes2k7]

Cost. With ticket sales in the toilet and movies in general regularly performing poorly. It’s hard to make the case for it

[@earthoid]

One advantage of being old with glaucoma is that my old LED backlit TV looks spectacular to my eyes. No upgrades needed!

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

This!!! Ignorance is Bliss honestly. I've been going insane over the past few weeks over TVs. Literally driving myself to insanity. Sometimes I wish I would've just kept my 2019 Walmart BF special TV and not worried about it.

[@THEKMT6]

@@earthoid Right? The more technology we get, the more spoiled we become. Last year I upgraded my 12 year 720p sony Bravia with a random 1080p Samsung LCD panel I saw in the store, and the difference was night and day. But then I realized mini LED 4K TVs are the norm now, and knowing just that made me feel less satisfied with my new TV 😆

[@madcrabber1113]

Still rocking tv's that are from 2008-2010 and as old as 1995 lol.

[@phoenix4193]

@@NBWDOUGHBOYcheck out the tcl c855k or the LG c3 theyre both great, the tcl isnt as good but is cheaper and still drop dead gorgeous and its stupid bright

[@nickzickYT]

An advantage of being today in my 20s is that I can't afford anything anyways and I will die in a few years in WW3, so I'm just watching tech videos to pass the time. Cheers!

[@michaelkaiser5994]

Thank you Caleb for your Sansui unboxing video. It was on sale at Walmart for $599 on Black Friday and I jumped on it. Don’t know how it compares to the other brands but I couldn’t be more pleased with the picture quality.

[@pieflies]

I’m amazed at the micro LED stuff we already have, even if it’s not scalable. It’s crazy how small and close together those LEDs are.

[@pieflies]

@@Euclidean3141 just because there are smaller transistors it doesn’t mean the smallest LED in the world is less impressive. They’re not directly comparable in that way. That’s like saying the tallest human being 8’2” is not crazy because there are giraffes that are taller.

[@pieflies]

@@Euclidean3141 also, micro processor node size names have not aligned with the physical size for a long time, they are just marketing to indicate improvements over the previous nodes. For example 3nm is not actually 3nm. It has a gate pitch of 48nm and a metal pitch of 24nm. Still extremely impressive but a long way off being 3nm.

[@Supperconductor]

I got my LG C3 77" OLED earlier this year for a great price (thanks to your recommendations). In our fully light controlled media room, I want for nothing.

[@ArmadilloGodzilla]

Maybe a lack of burn in?

[@MrFissure13]

On to my third panel replacement LG. Watch out for the burn in

[@JaneDane5385]

c1 user here. its on at least 8-10 hours a day. at times left on for days at a time. no burn in what so ever. guess I'm just lucky.

[@curtisbme]

@@JaneDane5385 These people are either just trolls or folks who play the same game, with static elements, or watch "news" programs with solid bars for hours on end every day. Most of them are just trolls who bought LCD and seem to associate their purchase choice with their self worth.

[@elnericoo]

I have a C7 65” for some years now and no burn in, and even a 48” C1 as my gaming monitor and no burn in yet and love playing paradox games on it, HOI4, stellaris, EU4, crusader kings 3 etc

[@NoWay1969]

Sharp used to make some phenomenal entry-level CRTs back in the day.

[@Jza-GZa40k]

Panasonic and Sharp are absolute sleeper brands,Create and invent some amazing tech and have the best quality/detailed sets you can own…Yet people are here buying bloody Tcls and Hisense because they are cost cutting garbage.

[@MikeinAustin]

I have a Sharp Quattron that’s 65” and only 1080p but looks fantastic.

[@lucasrem]

Sharp TV = entry level, need a fancy CRT ?

[@pnketia]

Honestly I would be perfectly happy with a 100 inch Sony Bravia 9 in my home!

[@shanew7361]

I agree, I love my Sony Bravia B9 75 inch.

[@shadowbotz4293]

💯

[@lucasrem]

Why you need old Bravia ? 60 FPS max ?

[@Iliketo420]

New bravia 9 ​@@lucasrem

[@rahulvx2]

I was just researching Micro - LEDs last night haha. The timing of this video could not have been more perfect! I really do hope Micro - LEDs become a viable option for the average consumer. It really is the best display technology.

[@anthobee]

15:07 can’t wait for micro led TVs in 2015

[@michaelwyckoff8121]

2025 to 2035

[@ArmadilloGodzilla]

1:11

[@tfratello]

i think you may have transposed numbers and meant to type 2051 ;-)

[@richtheobald4390]

I'm betting on it 😂

[@Chance-ry1hq]

I’m still watching a 15 year old 56 inch Panasonic plasma TV, and I still think it is awesome.

[@user-hf8ie8mf3n]

We did that too until last year when I replaced our Pioneer Plasma with an LG Oled. If you upgrade, you won’t regret it. But I did love that plasma. 😝

[@jivebunny3765]

@@user-hf8ie8mf3n Pioneer Kuro? Mine finally gave up at the start of this year after 18 years.

[@gozoogle]

Just upgraded our 14 year 50” plasma… I have some moments when I miss the motion, but 4K HDR on a 75” Sony is much better in all other aspects.

[@GetStuffed1]

Yes you cannot beat plasma for motion.

[@flenser55]

We finally replaced our 15-year-old 58" Panasonic plasma with a 77" Sony A95L QD-OLED earlier this year. Man, the difference was stark. Size, contrast, blacks, color saturation and, of course, resolution completely outclassed our beloved plasma, but, admittedly, the Sony doesn't keep us nearly as warm in the winter. We gave the plasma to friends, who are more than happy with it.

[@logicwins3492]

I'm happy we have WHVA tech coming to LED TVs soon. Viewing angles will no longer be an issue for LED TVs. Plenty of great innovations coming to Mini-LED TVs to get excited about!

[@earthzero7]

Tabun...

[@TheCactuar124]

@@earthzero7 No serious Japanese learner uses romaji. Best to stop relying on it.

[@eiksman]

careful man it will not be that great

[@michaelbeckerman7532]

All that's really going to do is help widen out the acceptable viewing angle on those TV. Since most people will never sit way off to the side to watch TV anyways, that's not going to move the needle very much from where we are today on display tech. For example, even though it gets talked about a lot, I've yet to meet a person that looked at the Bravia 7 that had ANY problem at all with its wide viewing angle. Sure, OLED's like the Bravia 8 are far better at that, no question about it, but we are largely down to solving problems here that don't really even exist.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

I honestly believe all Mini LED needs is to triple, quadruple or Even 5X the Dimming Zones and increase the processing. That way we get close to OLED Inky Blacks, Little to no Blooming, Better upscaling, Faster Response times. They already have Quatum Dots enhancing the colors. Mini LED is relevant for some ppl, especially ppl who really fear the risk of Burn in and Want to use their TV in any way they see fit.

[@ez_ridah]

What about tandem OLED like in the m4 iPads? Could that be scaled up to TVs?

[@loudryka]

For double the price

[@Marco-cz7rb]

@@loudryka would be pretty sick

[@Mindgamehagi]

@@loudryka Probably more than double since that would require very special machinery to pull at the scale of a TV

[@nicolasdujarrier]

I think that the 1st step will be to get large size RGB OLED TV which may start to happen somwhere between 2026 - 2030 as many OLED manufacturer (Samsung, BOE, LG,…) are either building or planning gen 8.5 manufacturing fabs. As it may add additional cost, then as a 2nd step, I would think that LTPO, tandem-stack, polarizer-less,… technologies may gradually be added for differentiation but my guess would be more likely 2028 - 2035 timeframe… Just a hunch based on news on oled-info website…

[@StuartQuinn]

​@@loudryka still cheaper than micro LED.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

Mr. Dennison hinted at tariffs at the end of this video. This will jack up the prices on foreign imports.

[@nubix42]

Yup. It's why I went ahead and bought an LG G4 last month instead of waiting till 2025 to replace my old LG B6

[@PowellCat745]

Let's call it what it is -- Trumpflation.

[@ChrisJohannsen]

Only for one country

[@PAPO1990]

@@ChrisJohannsenmaybe not, global economics are exceedingly complex, we may get lucky, and it only effects one country, or there may be ripple effects for many other countries as well

[@ChrisJohannsen]

@@PAPO1990 true, those of us tied to the US empire will be taken down with you unfortunately.

[@keithzastrow]

I just got the Samsung QN90D in 85" last week. It's already amazing and I forgot until 2 days ago that I don't have a 4K DVR/cable box hooked up to it yet lol. That comes today along with 4K HDMI cable. Cannot wait to see even how much better it's going to be after I hook that up.

[@rm1825114]

Maybe rather than reinventing the display tech, we modernize TV cooling so we can get an OLED TV capable of sustaining a full screen brightness of 1000 nits, just like an iPad Pro, a smaller device that somehow doesn’t explode when sustaining that high a brightness.

[@troy5568]

Cooling will just help prevent burn-in, but the inevitable degradation of organic materials would still not be stopped. If anything, because you now have the ability to sustain its full-field maximum brightness for longer periods of time, the degradation will also be faster on the materials, essentially rendering the TV heavily worn out in terms of picture quality in just under 5 years, then you'll want to replace it again soon.

[@l3v1ckUK]

QDEL sounds like the holy grail of TV tech.

[@Stoddardian]

Is it still sample-and-hold?

[@darlokt51]

The best part about QDEL is that there has been work in the last years to be able to literally print the display on a substrate, like a polymer foil, using a “common” inkjet printer. Thereby drastically decreasing the cost of a display and basically making them a commodity.

[@BlindEmperor25]

Red and green OLED subpixels are already phosphorescent, it is only the blue ones that are still fluorescent, because the blue wavelength requires the most light intensity and purity.

[@Shooter1812]

Thanks for this video. I bought my 85 inch Sony in 2018. At the time, the micro-LEDs were in the news, and I thought my new Sony would survive until they hit the market. Now, I’m thinking the latest Sony 98 inch tech will be my next TV.

[@torbjrnbogenstor2847]

Great video as always! As of my understanding, the way you describe the "QD-OLED like approach to micro LED" is how QD-OLED works now, but with a different LED as source, which could give increased efficiency and/or more resilience towards burn-in. Blue will still be used as the "specific color", because of the three colors, blue has the highest energy, and quantum dots can (in this case) only convert light to lower energies. However, my understanding is that the term micro LED does not refer to the specific technology of the LED, but rather "three (small) LEDs of blue, green and red combine to make a pixel"? I have seen the term being used in different ways, and I wish the technology terms were split between LED technology( OLED, Nanotube etc.) and panel technology(i.e. emissive or transmissive) Nevertheless, If micro LED is limited by the pitch, I think this problem would be the same even if you dropped the green and red LEDs (replaced by blue LEDs). An alternative is to fabricate the blue LEDs directly on the panel since all three LEDs now are made the same way.

[@Jeroenneman]

I used to be really enthusiastic about micro-LED. But I've been using an OLED from 2018 onwards, and it's still rock solid. For me, OLED has matured enough, to remove the need for microLED.

[@joanie5812]

Caleb my husband worked for a major US semiconductor company that was part of a consortium that included Sharp which was attempting to manufacture micro-led chips. It was an extremely difficult and costly production process. His company pulled out of the effort because it did not make business sense.

[@flipwarrior]

I remember when that Rene Ritchie or something was claiming Micro LED would be in Apple products soon. I corrected him and told him that it would not be anytime soon, because of the difficulty and expense. He just brushes me off. HDTV Test, an expert on displays, is one of the best places on KZbin for display/TV information.

[@prashank]

Oled will get more expensive?!? It needs to get cheaper not expensive 😢

[@kenhbeach]

Not with Trump in the White House.

[@TheHOOfan1]

I've already seen another TV related website say LG will make them cheaper

[@markh351]

Yeah still $3800 plus tax for the 77" LG C4 here in Canada. 😔

[@ZNKK1]

​@@markh351Dang that is expensive. Just snagged a 77" LG C4 for 2200€ in Finland.

[@Kahless00]

Blue is always the worst. The blue led was a nightmare to get right.

[@FloatingWeeds2]

Watched a really cool documentary on that. Dude who invented it was completely shafted by his employer

[@Kahless00]

@FloatingWeeds2 I saw it too. Didn't know it was a thing before that show.

[@DMthefutureme]

Let's hope 2015 is the year we finally get MicroLED TVs

[@marcse7en]

2015? ... Almost 10 years ago?

[@MILLZMAN90]

2025

[@snaplash]

Also, there are two electrical connections (Solder?) for each LED. I can imagine these connections failing due to handling / thermal stresses.

[@robertt9342]

MicroLED is the future of display tech, the particular implementation that exists now may not be the commercially viable, but the MicroLED concept will be what is adopted long term..

[@PAPO1990]

QDEL has the potential to leave everything else in the dust. MicroLED is really just OLED without having to worry about the degradation of the Organic materials that make up the O in OLED

[@connormcnicol-day3128]

It's literally the TV equivalent of a concept car. Just shows what TV makers can do, but unfortunately unable to produce to the masses.

[@chumaj001]

Well, I am watching this on a Samsung The Wall 146! :) Hello from Prague. And I like the hifi gear in the background. I am coolector of vintage high end as well :)

[@mostafabalboul3966]

I was tempted to bring up QDEL and Sharp's display from last year -- glad to see it's on your mind too!

[@kevin-e5h5t]

I should imagine that Micro LED TV's will have their own console stand for cooling, with an integrated sound bar at least. Channeling air over the back of the Display will be a feature and not a bug.

[@whophd]

I’m actually pleased to hear that these even EXIST for the price of a luxury car. I wasn’t actually aware of that.

[@bushgreen260]

What about plasmonic OLED?

[@NextNate03]

Why are tvs (and everything else) going to get a price increase next year? 25+ percent Tariffs.

[@neo4102]

if from china -

[@GenX_in_the_wild]

TVs are actually super cheap.. In comparison to normal living costs exploding the last years..

[@alanschmitt9865]

@@neo4102Trump has said there will be a universal tariff, though supposedly at a lower rate than what he wants to place on China, Mexico, and Canada.

[@NextNate03]

@@neo4102 Almost everything is made in China. @GenX_in_the_wild Reason that they are super cheap is because they are made in china and have very low build quilty when comparing to Sony, LG, and/or SamSung. You get what you pay for and they won't last that long either.

[@ChrisJohannsen]

Don't elect idiots. This only affects the US

[@DwAboutItManFr]

What if the pixel position of all pixels was randomly offset? As to create no break of pattern.

[@jamescaldwell5]

I would think that the modular aspect would counter balance the other expenses. I heard that the limit in size for some other high end tv tech is making a perfect piece of glass that large gets considerably more expensive. Also transportation of very large and delicate TVs must have serious additional costs. Perfecting the pixel placement on a small module that could be used for multiple sizes of tv could also be cost efficient. Although a tv that is easily repaired by replacing a module, might not be beneficial to a manufacturer who would rather sell you a new TV.

[@nassifsamuel55]

I paid $1800 for sony 65 x900e in 2017, and still am satisfied with it. Im more into vr now, so dont see myself buying another tv anytime soon, but if thez ever make micro led affordable, would love to get one

[@kyleh6671]

This is why I went with oled again this year…I figured by the time (hopefully) I need to replace my current TV, the more permanent replacement (from the burnin perspective) will be available…

[@GenX_in_the_wild]

What will happen earlier? a) affordable Micro-LED b) clean WOLED panels from LG display?

[@SyanvCian]

What about the new oled max maskless technology from applied materials for manufacturing oled that will revolutionize the oled display enabling more brightness and lower power consumption while the expenditure for manufacturing will also be lesser (Sorry if my english is bad)

[@thaKingRocka]

What about a lower resolution? Any chance we could see micro LED on FHD or QHD monitors?

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Makes no sense to make cheap tvs with advanced tech

[@thaKingRocka]

@ I’m not talking about cheap TVs; I’m talking about good monitors for PC gaming. Most competitive eSports use 24” 1080p monitors with high refresh rates. They hit the sweet spot for that use. I’m wondering if a lower resolution might improve the situation for pixel pitch and a standard of 27 or 32” might be the sweet spot for this tech.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

@thaKingRocka 1080p... Competitive hangers care only for max fps and low lag. Microleds don't have value there. People ready to dish out significant sums for a monitor will not pay for a measly 1080p panel.

[@jean-louphall6897]

I just purchased the LG G4 on Nov 17 2024 and I am thinking of returning it to Costco with in the 90 day return period for the new LG G5. My question is with the information that you have on the new G5 do you think its worth the hassle and additional cost to return the G4 for the new G5? I respect your opinion and realize that the decision is mine but am really interested with the limited information that you have what you think. Thank You

[@MarsorryIckuatuna]

I’m on a basic 65” Samsung tele that was supposed to be an interim device, which has now become the main TV for years. I need a change pronto!

[@mnomadvfx]

You missed nanorod LEDs. These are the tech which was originally set to be called QNED before LG pulled a fast one on Samsung and used that branding for their mini LED TVs. Basically you have something between a nanotube and a quantum dot called a nanorod that only emits blue light. This becomes the emissive layer of the display, which a filter/conversion layer of green and red quantum dots to fill out the rest of the color spectrum, just like QD-OLED does it. These are supposedly a promising near term solution before pure QDEL displays are ready whenever they manage to solve the blue quantum dot lifetimes.

[@alxking1901]

I have a 42in C2 in my truck and I have to say even uncalibrated that I do love gaming and movies on it. Also using a $200 Walmart ONN Blast 5.1.2 virtual surround and atmos and it ALSO sounds great in this truck. I don’t see myself going back to LED anytime soon! I’d love to see tech evolve and it’s been incredible what’s happened in the last 25 years or so that I’ve been an active participant in it. Have a great time next month at CES and I look forward to seeing the new tvs and such at my nearest Best Buy or home theater gear store sometime in the future.

[@AaronMunro77]

What about a PHO-QDEL. Maybe a Blue PPOLED can help the lack of brightness of the blue QDEL, plus increase the overall Dynamic Range.

[@jimliedeka3978]

Whatever happened to QNED, quantum nanorod technology? Is that still a thing anyone is working on?

[@hectorj.romanp.]

Do you mean tariffs?

[@kenhbeach]

Obviously. I'm very much hoping Caleb will ask manufacturers at CES how quickly prices will go up when Trump moves forward with tariffs. And will tariffs apply to 2024 models?

[@MrSparkefrostie]

Why not go 1080p or 1440p on smaller screens at the normal pitch sizes? Maybe sell them as 960x540 modules, it allows you to then scale to the size you want

[@9crv]

Is an lg g3 still worth over a c4?

[@AndrewSmith7]

Why have you ignored the sonos arc ultra

[@thedankwizardcovpepe9123]

I wonder how it will scale for desktop gaming

[@flenser55]

In late 2021, Samsung Display finished developing a first-generation display powered by inkjet-printed indium gallium nitride blue nanorod LED pixels, with red and green quantum dots printed over them as appropriate. This is analogous to their QD-OLED displays, with nanorod LEDs replacing the fluorescent blue OLEDs in those displays. According to a report in The Elec in May 2022, Samsung Display had actually begun constructing a pilot line for these "QNED" displays but postponed it and reassigned the staff-I presume because QD-OLED was ready and "QNED" could be further refined to replace QD-OLED if and when deemed appropriate. I don't know how bright these displays are/would be, but I'd imagine pretty bright (each pixel consists of multiple nanorod LEDs), and with no chance of burn-in.

[@Usenowgamer]

Review of the 97" LG G4 when? Would LOVE to see a video on this TV!

[@kipling1957]

Given that “micro” LED pixel pitch is anywhere between about 0.5-0.8 mm (500-800 microns) that’s one hell of a misnomer!

[@ChrisJohannsen]

I just got a qd oled, we can't have another big leap

[@flamesword300]

I’m excited about PHOLED displays in future flagship smartphones. Anything that can help reduce the time you can’t use the device because it needs to charge is always appreciated.

[@DeelishDotCom]

Yea i can’t imagine MLED being affordable anytime soon. I always heard the process of making them was complicated but the only thing that confuses me is it’s more complicated than creating OLED displays? Aren’t OLED’s the same size as micro LEDs?

[@allesdurchprobiert]

@@DeelishDotCom The production process is very different and thus comes with vastly different costs, different failure rates which also influence the price. OLEDs can even be printed nowadays, and that's usually the cheapest method as long as the yield is good enough. That's why the pixel size doesn't matter much here. At least that's roughly the status quo AFAIK.

[@3d1e00]

My 2 cents. Either they figure out direct led creation on large panels, maybe no longer motherglass cut down method. Or they go child glass model like Samsung the wall. I reckon the 2nd model with everything built up not cut down. The cost savings would be found in the pick and place if they don't figure out the direct led creation method. Not sure how much in that space seems very mature.

[@Ghost_moto_WPN]

I think micro LED will be the replacement for projectors in commercial and home cinemas once the cost come down. Those environments will also allow for custom cooling systems based on the size and environment. Imagine oled level blacks at 30’ in a commercial cinema lol

[@mozhmike]

Why not implement the current lithography process for microLEDs, given that it's already well-established and suitable for sub-millimeter scales? Any suggestions?

[@Calwinn]

Me with a cheap 75” TCL R646 with microled and being very confused about this video

[@zxcool4410]

Thank you! I'm so confused

[@jeffreydurham2566]

I'm surprised Samsung hasn't done more with QDEL since they have worked so closely with the company that holds the quantum dot IP.

[@Burn_In_Oled_On_Purpose]

I wish there was a curve micro led 4k tv as an option for being immersed when viewing the content in native 4k with hdr when watching 4k content from the 4k blu ray movies from the 4k discs on the 4k player. The samsung 55 inch odyssey ark is a 4k gaming monitor with a curve display but it's only 1,000 nits when there are movies mastered with 4,000 nits so having 4,000 nits for a tv and gaming monitor and for playing video games and watching movies should be another option to fully utilize the movies that are mastered with high brightness such as 4,000 nits. You can always turn down the display brightness when the display gets very bright. I use the 65 inch samsung 2017 samsung 4k qled tv and ever since I started using a curve display it made me not want to go back to using a flat display. I watch tv and play video games as close as possible when viewing the content with the manual max brightness, max back light, autobrightness always off, hdr with the dynamic settings for the brightest and most color saturation that ways color pop as much as possible while being as bright as possible. I'm used to using very bright displays since it already has become second nature.

[@jimv1983]

QDEL is definitely what I'm looking forward to. I bought a Sony A80J OLED in 2021. My hope is that by the time it needs to be replaced QDEL will have been on the market for a couple of years so the prices will have come down somewhat.

[@PAPO1990]

QDEL really seems like it could be the LAST flat display tech but it’s a matter of brightness like you said, but also iirc they still have degradation/ burn in problems as well (though look how far OLED has come, I’m sure we’ll get there eventually) As for PhOLED and Micro LED, it’s just a matter of who gets their problems solved first, and if they can do it BEFORE the QDEL problems are solved

[@amitavraja3385]

Thanks Caleb putting this video out, would like to know what’s the next future TV technology. Everyone thought that micro LED is the next one but it seems to be taking ages to be a mass market product, despite having a head start of seven years. PHOLED is the next evolution in OLED technology as you mentioned but what about Tandem OLED tech?

[@TheCgOrion]

I would 100% consider a 1080p micro LED tv for gaming on PC at 32". With no concern for burn-in, and such beautiful pixels, AAA games would be great, and easier to run. I would just boost the super sampling.

[@ForeverAloneJojo]

Hi. Any video coming up on the Hisense A85N OLED? I want to buy a G4 in the next 4 months but now i have seen the A85N on the market and am curious

[@koomar341]

What we need is something other than sample and hold displays! Remember SED tv, Caleb? Or 1000hz 100" Oleds cheaply!!

[@ScrappyDoodad]

To change the subject for DIY peeps If you want a led indicator for a project, say like adding a led to your cars dashboard but really don't want a huge led do this instead Drill a tiny hole in the top of the led, glue a length of fishing line in the hole, cover the led with some light blocking material then you can use the fishing line as a small indicator that is not seen unless it is illuminated

[@jegog.]

I am more than satisfied with my five year old 4K QLED TV. Considering how cheap they are, any new technology would have to significantly better and priced competitively. I don't even have my TV set at maximum brightness, because we watch at night in a darkened room, so I don't need a brighter TV. To get to a competitive price it has to wow a significant portion of the TV buying public, not just fanatics.

[@imyellow5173]

May I ask you the best picture settings for Hisense U7N 55'? The TV doesn't look any special and the darks look blurry.

[@Jza-GZa40k]

Hisense isn’t the quality of Panasonic/Sony/Lg or Samsungs for that matter,They are cost cutting and a cheaper chinese brand.If you want quality you go for the japanese brands.

[@johnnyrebellion8672]

Things on my 2022 Samsung S95B already look better(vivid) than real life. My eyes aren't getting any younger.

[@JayDpwnz]

The issue with the big format microled displays is that incredibly expensive to buy and maintain. Smalls panels are stitched together to create a bigger display. However these panels degrade at different rates and you often need to pay to store "extra panels" from the same manufacturing run. So your replacement panels are consistent with the rest of your display. Big issue with current gen microled.

[@beyondu77]

Great video! I really enjoy these and want to thank Caleb and his team for putting out such great content.

[@Swecan76]

How can Pholed reduce burn in risk when it has problems with longevity? Burn in is actually "uneven aging" of the organic compounds for each color. So if the blue is aging much faster, it would just die out and cause burn in way faster than even now.

[@jerrycurls88]

This video came out when I was thinking "whats going on with microled". Just finished FOMO's latest vid. Great timing Caleb.

[@puerulus]

I'm still waiting for the industry to take another look at surface-conduction electron-emitter displays (SEDs).

[@konga382]

The future of TVs are either Quantum Nanorod or QDEL, in my opinion. Micro LED just isn't getting cheap and easy enough to manufacture fast enough, and the pixel pitch problem seems insurmountable in the short term. I still don't know what advantages Micro LED is even supposed to offer over those other two technologies either. It really seems like one of those is going to make it to the market before Micro LED, at which point there will be no reason to ever think about Micro LED again.

[@ciprianungureanu3013]

It will take a lot of time to bring the prices down because other tv technologies will become worthless.

[@mbaxter22]

How do you mean?

[@sleepii15]

I’m just confused why we can’t purchase that top top of the line OLED TV from 1-3 years ago at a steeeeep discount? I hope I am making sense..

[@IXISSV]

TCL also had a 163" micro LED display at IFA, I was there too 😁🥳

[@michael-4k4000]

Caleb, what about Tandem OLED, like the Apple iPad Pro uses in the 11” and 13” iPads. Have the 11” iPad Pro, and it is the brightest most color accurate display I’ve ever used. It’s able to do 1,000 nits full screen peak brightness and 1,600 nits in HDR. It’s more efficient, and has less chance for burn in. OLED is the future, we dont need micro led for the home, let it stay in the commercial market….. a tandem OLED TV would be an end game product. Have an a95L and i would say the color is a bit more bright on the sony, but this is extreme nitpicking. Overall the IPad Pro’s screen is better, heck u can use it in the sunlight.

[@dylankirkpatrick9522]

Which would be the best technology for motion resolution? CRT and plasma were great in this regard, hoping one of these technologies can be better than what we have now for motion resolution

[@mexdrago3009]

They keep forgetting about motion. Lgc1 had 120hz rolling scan bfi, and no other lg oled have it.

[@joos3D]

Micro LED. There was a TV refreshing at around 7000 Hz or so, I believe they have around a tenth of the pixel persistence as OLED, even though they’re way brighter. So all the more reason to wish that we’ll get them for consumers.

[@wino99999]

Personally, i think it much more likely for local dimming to be ever smaller to the point of per pixel (not sub pixel), with an lcd panel and micro dot's. You end up with a third of the leds per panel, with all the advantages of a micro-led display with 1/3 density of a fully microled display. Yes it'll be expensive, but probably more reliable and less heat than a full sub pixel microled display.

[@dirkbester9050]

My dreams are of a large but affordable micro LED wall in my home theater. Not even the whole wall, just from seated eye level up.

[@Sabundy]

If money was no object I would definitely buy one of those SONY Crystal LED screens that are now being used to make movies. Those things are absolutely stunning

[@ckhomphzxspaul8455]

How bout the burn in issues?

[@biggityboggityboo8775]

The irony is that where microled really makes the biggest difference are in mobile devices. The much higher efficiency would be a significant step towards greater battery life. It's just a shame this is the area that's the hardest to produce. At least in one way it is. There are very small, monochromatic, microled displays that are essentially wafer scale fabrications. This way you don't need to pick and place any individual LEDs they are simply etched. This isn't feasible either as wafer scale anything is expensive. But in theory you could probably make a wafer scale, monochromatic, blue microled display. Then place a quantum dot layer on top of it to produce the other colours. You'd get to make tiny, high resolution, high efficiency, high brightness, perfect black, and exceptional colour reproduction displays. But probably not very cost effectively. What we need is the ink-jet printer style method of fabrication, that we can use for oled, for some new tech to make economical sense. It's a crying shame that electroluminescent blue quantum dots are the ones presenting with the problem. If they were easy then we wouldn't even need the red and green. We'd simply need to use a panel of blue electroluminescent dots and then convert their light into red and green with conventional quantum dots. For that matter any modifications of current oled tech, towards blue only panels, is all that we need. Along with a step change in the materials used to yield much higher efficiency and therefore longer lifetimes. Obviously the big researchers know all this.

[@0xszander0]

What about EL-QD displays? Or as some call it nanoled. TCL has displayed one earlier this year. This goes a step beyond. Lighting up the quantum dots themselves.

[@SyanvCian]

Nanoled and qdel are same

[@0xszander0]

@@SyanvCian Yeah I just found out. Looks like they're not entirely clear what they want to call it. I see it being called EL-QD, QDEL and nanoled.

[@PepperK-n]

​@@SyanvCiannot too be confused with Nanocell (thanks, LG!) yeah, I'm easily confused... Nano this, nano that 😋

[@chriss2295]

The best part about about micro led is it will drive OLED prices down. I just got LG B4 OLED for $599

[@sabishiihito]

Well, it's doing better than SED did, at least

[@LeezahB]

This was a great opinion piece! I throughly enjoyed Caleb’s take on future TV technologies: MicroLED, QD microLED, PHOLED, Blue PHOLED, QDEL! Which one of these, if any, might become the next great technology that could actually be feasible and affordable to mass produce!? Will prohibitive tariffs only succeed in making these potentially great innovative technologies an impossibility in the near future?

[@PasigTV]

Nice your talking about micro LED TV. I’m watching on one. We bought a 85U7k awesome TV i’d say and everyone lives it!

[@aborum75]

Great summary of the current state of display technology, can't wait for QDEL and agree it appears as the more viable technology going forward. Also, let's get QDEL going for desktop monitors.

[@tim.prasad03]

Samsung is also working on GaN TVs, to emit blue light, which is also a technology to look out for