Milli Vanilli the Original "Puppet Artist" | Joe Budden Reacts

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[@allenh7835]

The surviving member was on Vladtv. Highly intelligent, 1st class guy. A lot more to that story.

[@DamienWayne530]

Joe always fucking up a story 😂

[@TharsanJeyachandran]

How is Vlad a Surviving member he stole black culture and got all the views

[@cvkev617]

Amazing interview

[@user-hu2vr4jk7y]

​@@DamienWayne530😊😊😊😊😊

[@MrCbwTV]

Classic interview ✊

[@PostStop]

They took two guys who they knew were poor and had nothing and used them. This was and still is sad to this day how they were left to deal with the negative outcome.

[@doyadirty3804]

This is what the rap game is based on. Get poor kids with nothing and leas em down a path they dont even know they goin

[@mikediddyTV]

@@doyadirty3804EXACTLY!!

[@william58295]

@@doyadirty3804BLACK kids not just kids specifically black

[@jarl-caysen]

And it's set up that way for sure. What type of person signs a 360 deal? Someone desperate or without the knowledge

[@cnsmooth]

Used them? They changed their lives, based on nothing but how they looked. If it wasnt for dude snitching they would have never been found out. They arent victims.

[@montanaprime]

If millie vanilli came out today, they’d have a great career no lie.

[@cnsmooth]

But they didnt. The guys who where singing in the background shouldve been making the money. That's how people saw it back in the day.

[@TheDundeal]

Girl you know it's Girl you know it's Girl you know it's Girl you know it's..

[@itsmeViki_]

" FALSE "

[@Rugby-xp1wh]

Great point by Parks there. Milli Vanilli would have been fine in the autotune era. They would have had their own vocals

[@funsizedazzy6708]

Lol

[@talentbender]

The producer of Milli Vanilli, Frank Farian, actually stole "Girl You Know It's True" from a group called Numarx- young guys from Baltimore, Maryland that included Kevin Liles (a songwriter and singer on the song) who is now a major music executive and co-founder of 300 Entertainment. In an interview on the Breakfast Club, Liles explained how he fought to get their rights on the Milli Vanilli version. In a different interview, Liles said he was inspired by LL Cool J's "I Need Love"

[@kimberjack]

Facts 💯💯💯 I watched NuMarx perform the song live in a Bmore club before Milli Vanilli came out. I knew that was bull when I heard them.

[@talentbender]

@@kimberjack Amazing that you saw them perform. It's always very interesting to find out the truth behind a lot of these hits. The original version is really good.

[@kimberjack]

@talentbender Yeah, I loved the original version. There was a music store in Mondawmin Mall where I bought the 12 in single & the cover was signed by the group.

[@GucciP777]

You know your stuff, Kevin is from Woodlawn md and Woodlawn high named their stadium after him, he also signed creek boyz and Tate kobang out of Baltimore to 300 ent to little success but respect to him for going back to the town and giving folks a chance

[@talentbender]

@@GucciP777 That's great to hear. Yeah, sometimes we hear these music executives talking and we wonder if they really for the artists like they say they are, but after seeing quite a few interviews with Liles, then later finding out that someone straight up took his song and how hard he had to fight to get his ownership, it just lets me know that he does understand what artists go through. Now I can see why they named a street after him in Baltimore.

[@Somong]

This single episode encapsulates three decades of wisdom, honed by the passage of time and melded in the crucible of camaraderie and dialogue, with the power to resonate deeply within the hearts of its observers. Those attuned will experience an awakening that reverberates through the essence of their being. This installment stands apart from the typical fare, showcasing a collective endeavor to draw out the pinnacle of excellence from every engaged artist. Our imperative is to act for the sake of the young and for what lies ahead-conviction is not a prerequisite, for such is the essence of faith.

[@rocstarskinnyjeans]

I have a deep appreciation for the Joe Budden podcast, and the team is truly outstanding. The Milli Vanilli incident was disheartening and unfortunate. It underscores the importance of art and emphasizes the significance of respecting the craft.

[@OmarScruggs]

Milli Vanilli or whoever made it was dope. I was 10/11 when they came out. Loved it then and still bump it

[@dmanx3391]

The Monkees (70s) just one off the top industry plants are as old as the industry

[@henryhudson4965]

Jermaine dupri did this with kriss kross 4:28

[@phetogoketshabile7091]

Boney M. was the Milli Vanilli before Milli Vanilli

[@melvinbarnett1910]

indeed. But that producer shady as eff, even if they could actually sing he was going to find a way to ensure he made all the money.

[@phetogoketshabile7091]

@@melvinbarnett1910 greedy mf... that's why he paid the Milli Vanilli actual singers peanuts so that he keeps the rest to himself! Real 😈

[@ballsdeep6548]

"GIRL U know it's, girl U know it's, girl U know it's...." 😂

[@humphreyurban90]

I didn’t know that doc was out!! 😲 thanks!!

[@biggmonie]

This document was so good

[@blackmcbain3145]

"frank ferryin'" thats what i heard 😂😂😂 🌭 🚢

[@TheMindlessIntellectual89.]

I’ve always said that they would have thrived in this era

[@DualityUnlimited]

There isn’t too much difference between them and Cardi B. I like Cardi B but she’s just an Executioner she doesn’t participate in the Creative Process but she always delivers on her part. The AI era will make Milli Vanilla look like Prince level talent and it’s coming in the next 5 years!

[@eminosose]

I still cannot settle on the TV VOLUMMMeeee level when listening to Joe and his ilk.

[@Princess-yr2tj]

It’s sad situation in regards to one of the members that endured substance abuse and passed away. Because today a lot of singers don’t perform live they use the vocals and lip sync

[@cnsmooth]

They werent singing the song full stop. IT wasnt their voices on the record, it was two other dudes.

[@Osideous]

They are grossly misrepresenting the documentary. Frank Farian did the same thing with the disco group Boney M. Except he was the one singing. He was using black people.

[@kingstonstreet3726]

Sounds like nothing as change except the faces😂😂😂

[@mariepacheco9324]

Rob and Fab were a duo they had a group called Empire Bizarre. They both can sing you need to listen to the Rob and Fab album.

[@ocleadinlady]

Damn that’s deep and y’all right AF !

[@bedazzlinbeauty]

Documentary was great!!

[@larrellhill1386]

Got damn Happy Mealers 😂

[@davidgreene644]

That doc was real good

[@Chequerunnerztv]

That doc was the truth no kizzy💪

[@blackmcbain3145]

These guys look like the villain off the new Castlevania show 😂

[@Ramel34]

Milli Vanilli wasn't the first ones to do stuff like this. They use to do stuff like that all the time based on what the original artist looked like. Example, look at the C&C Music factory and Marsha Walsh.

[@leebutz4727]

Milli Vanilli 1988 C&C Music Factory 1989

[@Ramel34]

@@leebutz4727 That was just an example of how the idea isn't new. Martha Walsh had many songs where they removed her from the album cover because she wasn't some little skinny girl in a miniskirt. If you want an example prior to 88 look at the 50s and 60s when they would put white people on the album cover to trick people into buying the album. When these artists would go on tour people would be confused because the cover had a white person but a black person was performing.They did it to Dion Warwick and Miles Davis just to name a couple examples.

[@mrspgrew]

That same exact producer did the same thing with another group before milli vanilli. That was his bag. Scamming.

[@oaktree1626]

Black Box used her vocals, too

[@mikediddyTV]

@@Ramel34the difference in the 50s and 60s was that there people on the cover didn’t shoot videos and perform other places. But I hear what you’re saying. I’m thinking you had some good examples prior to MV and doing what they exactly did.

[@allgelliebeaneverything1247]

Talk your ish, Parks❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@asterik917]

Oh but I get called a hater when I said half of the niggas putting out music right now don’t care about the quality of the product they putting out. They care about being rich. They care about being fashion models, they care about everything else besides being a musical artist, and that’s why hip hop is in the state that it’s been in the last 2-3 years. Glad to see folks are starting to say it out loud now.

[@DaLumpy1]

I am SO glad you said MIMS. I used to always say jokingly but kind of serious that if I had a “This Is Why I’m Hot” I’d be set for life. Heineken commercials and all that. But it is a great and complex discussion: to get the bag even if it means somewhat disrespecting the culture and genre of music that you love

[@wharris123184]

They went all the way in on Mims then said salute to Mims in like 2.5 LOL

[@OmarScruggs]

Mims worth $96 million now off his tech businesses. Oh Mims dont care

[@differentflavorsofdance]

They had a performance when the the playback messed up

[@jarl-caysen]

Write which podcast episode the clips come from

[@bigbro7298]

Homie in the all grey living in reality

[@OmarScruggs]

Mims may be richer than Nas and Wu and 50. Man went into tech business and made a networth of $96 million now

[@cnsmooth]

Nas invested in the Ring doorbell technology and made 250 million of that alone

[@Breezybaby9]

They never let Melissa Ford 😂

[@chazbrown5800]

The industry now and then are different.

[@disla__]

They should be called “Dollar Menu musicians”

[@middlegroundwithjlel.l.c.8648]

As a Musician be about your Music your time will come

[@mackinshizzaveli4202]

Joe fronting like Kevin Liles didn’t write and produce for Milli Vanilli

[@brandoni241]

Kevin Liles didn't directly write the song for them. The song was already out. Farrian just did the song over. He did that for Boney M too. That was his formula. Take songs and supe them up...

[@Hooperd2023]

Mims caught strays.

[@Kody-hf6eh]

Auto tune and Milli Vanilli weren't the same that some people try to make out to be. But some of these so-called artists don't care about art.

[@DualityUnlimited]

It’s not an Exact Parallel but it’s worth a Comprehensive Compare & Contrast Discussion.

[@k2datrack]

The name of the group you're looking for is "Boney M"

[@BigChrisENT]

Ice was right at the end but you know how that goes...

[@Louievphildajux]

I think it’s funny max b said this in 06

[@careymoore1573]

Parka was wrong about the motown comparison to the music business today yes they had the greatest in house band great producers and great artists yet they recorded in a HOUSE a house my nigga not a major studio a house on W Grand Blvd in Detroit is not the best studio but what they had is a desire to make great music for each artist group and band that signed there

[@OurAncestors94]

Man I never understood why ppl stopped fucking with them dudes....I'm 29 all my life rappers / singers have writers, and did the exact same thing mily and Vanille did.....

[@cnsmooth]

You cant even spell their name right lol.. They didnt just have ghost writers, it wasnt them on the record, I'm shocked people dont know this. All Milli Vanilli was were some pretty boys who got on stage and danced and lip synched to some other brothers song.

[@OurAncestors94]

@cnsmooth I knew that already...have you not seen ppl using ai, auto tune etc 🙄 point is there's always someone just as important behind the scenes

[@cnsmooth]

Thats a given? I dont think anyone in the history of modern music just thought the singers where there purely because of their talent. Its obvious a record company is pulling strings to get them to those places. However Milli Vanilli existed in a time where Whitney Houston, George Michael Freddie Mercury Michael Jackson and others where their peers and the technology you talked about didnt exist. They deserved the backlashed they received, this is revisionist as hell.@@OurAncestors94

[@OurAncestors94]

@@cnsmooth so u agree with me ......ITS A ERA THING

[@OurAncestors94]

@@cnsmooth Whitney n Michael are on another level....lower the bar a A Whole lot....there have been plenty of singers WHO COULDNT ACTUALLY SING HOW THEY SOUNDED ON TRACKS OR LIP SING ON STAGE....WHITNEY WOULD NEVER LIP SING

[@310percentage]

Diane Warren made classics for Aerosmith, Celine Diane, etc. Legendary love & songs to get married to. THEY HAD HER???? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@COBO2]

happy mealers lol

[@marsea2]

They get into music to ultimately become influencers. Influencers use their platform to sell products. But the cream always rises. The artists will keep making art regardless.

[@THEKLEVER187]

I wonder if artist can use Ai to recorded their music to make it sound as close to the original as possible?

[@ChandaOnly1]

Fab and Rob.

[@TokelauInTech]

This is old knowledge

[@dominiquebatty0990]

😂😂😂 2:06 I can't take it anymore 😂😂😂😂

[@galliano100]

“ Four-four four albums in, pull a milli' for a show While these bitches is servin' Milli Vanilli on the low “ Nicki Minaj in her Transformers 2018 verse. Now I know she was talking about Cardi.

[@StraptownTrayD]

Girl you know its trueeeee

[@wavydavybeats]

great documentary, I was surprised about Boney M. the producer Frank Farian did the same exact thing he did with Boney M with Milli Vanilli and made a fortune, crazy

[@loutee6690]

Woah...those were not Boney M vocals?

[@wavydavybeats]

@@loutee6690 no, it was the producer’s Frank Farian vocals and he just put that group together to perform it and do live shows

[@loutee6690]

The dude is in his 80s...smh... Seems he did "mix and match" with Boney M.... He definitely ate off of black art ... " He recruited a line-up which included vocalists Liz Mitchell and Marcia Barrett along with a male, Bobby Farrell, and female dancer, Maizie Williams, and his own additional vocals. Under the name Boney M, he achieved his biggest success in Europe as well as across the whole world with well-known songs, like "Daddy Cool", "Rivers of Babylon", "Rasputin" and a remake of "Mary's Boy Child".

[@TheDredpuppy]

Motown was a symbiance

[@bcranford714]

Girl u know is girl u know is girl u know is

[@OurAncestors94]

Ig because there was no auto tune they were wrong 😂😂😂😂

[@biggmonie]

Yeah Milli Vanilli got dogged out! SMH "It's a whole bunch of Milli Vanillis"

[@emperor1470]

Cardinal Beatrice is the new age version

[@Shachaawar]

Dang let the girl talk 😂😂😂… I enjoy this but damn 😂

[@BrooklynDaDon1]

They are not the original puppet artist they are just the first anyone cared about/called out

[@AllsparkSupremacy]

HIP-HOP ICONS < HAPPY MEALERS 🍔🍟🍏

[@mrspgrew]

They tried to extort that producer. They said they weren't going to do something if he didn't give them like $150,000 or something. and they threatened to expose the secret. So he grabbed the real singers, held a press conference, and exposed them. He left out the part where it was all his idea in the first place. So everybody vilanized them. He was an evil troll.

[@WestCoastCultured]

Extort my a$$, its called the money they were rightfully owed.

[@mrspgrew]

@@WestCoastCultured EXTORTION IS: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats. THEY threatened to expose the secret, IF he didn't pay them. That's LITERALLY what they did. That's what lead to the press conference. Doesn't make the producer any less of a demonic troll. But that's what happened. WATCH the doc.

[@Tigrey44]

I'm just upset that after all these years still no one is talking about the blatantly racist producer. His actions and way of thinking in my opinion are indicative of a Anglosaxon culture from Europe that honestly thinks of anyone with darker skin as a commodity, tool, or mainly something less than. It's sad that no one is calling his punk ass out for all the BS he has done to minorities.

[@anthonymcken6050]

So true and they never accept responsibility for anything.

[@joysdad6787]

Black eyed peas tried to tell us.

[@chazbrown5800]

Them real singers made bangers yo.

[@deucedaprodeuca]

Actors or acts? Entertainment? There's words already for them. It's just select other that group them in with artists.

[@oyindew55]

They stay aggressively loud talking over each other to be heard. The egos ,I don't know how Meylssa sits through it.

[@williamk6605]

It’s all for content, you bozo. It’s not that serious.

[@galliano100]

10:37 so y’all talking about Cardi? Lmfao.

[@darrenjohnson5001]

@ 3:45 Joe describes ice spice perfectly! @7:50 ish doesn't realize that Artist development no longer exist within record labels. Music industry today is a money game. Dj Akademics did a good breakdown about how record labelsss are signing artists for these one off single deals for $2500 and the flip on that for the record label is like $50K-$60K

[@iseerashonal821]

It's the fans fault too. Ya'll call Drake the "greatest of all time" knowing he has had several songs ghost written by several different ghost writers. I used to think hiphop was about integrity and authenticity, until I realized no one calls him out for it; probably because they all do the same. Why strive to be a great artist when the Milli Vanillis are considered the best by the consumers?

[@Kody-hf6eh]

People call him out all the time.

[@AllsparkSupremacy]

He's called out by hip-hop... Yet people shrug shoulders, put on top 10 list anyways because of success SMH

[@cnsmooth]

He is a pop star

[@dorothywinn9979]

A lot of people think Neil Diamond wrote Red Wine performed by UB40 but he actually just bought the rights...

[@cnsmooth]

I thought that was bob marley

[@Chrisakalegend915]

Artist vs entertainer

[@brucewaynedk83]

I care about the art!

[@walterclark3198]

It's sad because both of them were super talented. They didn't need to do the lip syncing. Ruined their careers.

[@cnsmooth]

You do know it wasnt their voices on the record full stop? They didnt get killed cos they were lip synching they got killed cos it wasnt them. In the day and age of Whitney Houston, George Michael, Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury, this was seen as a scam to the pop listeners of the day.

[@walterclark3198]

@@cnsmooth I know that but what I'm saying is they could have learned how to sing and they would of been star's. They were both very talented and they didn't have to cheat.

[@cnel0301]

What are yall talking about even the young influencers if they are talented they pivot to all types of things, if they aren't all that talented they stagnate

[@akingwithwords2144]

They were literally before their time. EVERYBODY is doin’ now what they did then… Ish is wild sad…

[@cnsmooth]

No body is doing what they do. The only person who actually told the truth on the Milli Vanilli Scandal was parks.

[@MizzFabulous1000]

Roger Troutman used auto tune. It was around then.

[@NotEnuff8]

Talkbox... not the same thing at all. Look it up its a cool tool amd its not solely electronic. You have to build it or have someone build it

[@lachance9847]

They say theres milli vinillis out than who. Puts some names on it. Lets make the podcast fun again damn. Bring rory and mal back or sum.

[@romeod7549]

It don’t matter who it is niggas ain’t gonna care anyways

[@charlesshannon119]

Damn joe why you yelling

[@thinkinginexcess738]

Martha wash

[@THEKLEVER187]

I wonder if artist can use Ai to recorded their music ?

[@joelawuku3157]

Damn let Mel talk

[@shanecalvin9067]

If rapper’s could do Five hundred twenty million with mili vanili affect better take it cause rappers are here today gone tomorrow

[@TharsanJeyachandran]

Lit ep joe is right f all thse new school mumble rappers

[@trillaviziontv5112]

Drake is the Milly Vanilli , let’s be Real

[@christopherbrock8913]

Dude doesn't know what he is talking about because he probably was too young anyway - Joe was right about the Grammys (that was the night that the shit hit the fan) at that performance

[@NalaMahal]

People are performers not artists

[@pettyandfunny9474]

I understand why Beyonce buys her Grammys .....MARKETING!!!! It's quite genius if u think about it

[@sHaHPoP6547]

Guys, Enrico Iglesias did put out songs. There are concert videos that are embarrassing. He was much worse than Milli Vanilli. They killed these guys for nothing. They were entertainers and put a lot of work into their shows.

[@bigish843]

Same reason Joe did pump it up! Stop acting like this isn't about the money !!

[@SoulitaireRecordsOfficiel]

yo Joe stop fuckin around with your safety dawg damnnn most got love for you but them haters never too far away HIRE SECURITY CMON

[@dariuslovel1300]

Then in the same breath y’all praise Cardi B… lmfao. Stop acting like y’all all of a sudden care about the art. Smh.

[@friendswitdadealer]

I hate when old dudes talk like this, they always try to romanticize the past in order to condemn the present. Some of our favorite songs are basically just cookie cutter versions of other songs. For some reason we got this notion that artists from the 70s and 80s were just so pure and real when that’s not the case at all. The music business is a capitalistic industry and has always been that way. Ain’t no morals in capitalism, bring the hits or you out. It ain’t no more prevalent today than it was 50 years ago.

[@DjMbezzle]

Joe's so outta touch talkin bout "enjoy the short career that comes with it WuTangs still touring" bruh these kids aren't tryna be on stage with a mic in 30 years. These kids want a single to go viral so they can get their name on a happy meal and put out an energy drink . WuTangs touring but post malone's making more money than the whole group streaming a video game