Mirage F1 vs Mig-21 vs AJS37 Viggen: Fun Dogfight | DCS

[@greylensman2834]

Came in expecting a Knife fight in a phone booth, found two drug addicts in the throws of withdrawal fighting with plastic spoons. loved it!

[@grimreapers]

lol welcome to GR

[@Mobius118]

Perhaps the Mirage F1 would have done better if the Fox 1’s were actually removed? Perhaps it’s a bug but when Cap was dogfighting you could see them on his wings… I’m curious to see if it would make enough of a difference

[@hemendraravi4787]

well atleast , in theory/raw performances the mirage f1 is way worse than mig21/viggen . f1 has wway less twr, low climb rate , high wing load

[@grimreapers]

Ah, thanks, I must have forgotten to save game. My bad, that makes a lot of sense now...

[@PotatoeJoe69]

Surely it would've helped, but the F1 is still a poor performing plane. It's slow, it's radar and missiles suck, and it handles like a dump truck. The Mirage does have two things going for it. It's name is cool and it's a sexy looking plane. Neither of those help in combat. Lol

[@madaxe606]

I tested out the AI Mirage F1 when it was released and I got absolutely clobbered by the 530's. Ace-level AI, 50km air start, and it would launch at around 10-12km. Too far for an R3R shot to try and force him defensive, so it was all notching and cranking. Dodging them in a MiG-21 was insanely difficult - waaaaay harder than the AIM-7, which the AI tends to launch much further back.

[@rogerpennel1798]

Mirage F-1 vs Lockheed F-104 would be interesting. Two mach 2 point defense interceptor/ground attack aircraft.

[@christophero55]

For those interested: OAP is British slang that stands for "Old Age Pensioner." I had to look that up and thought I'd share.

[@zh.t_0517]

Hello from Taipei,Taiwan!

[@terryboyer1342]

The REAL China!

[@bobbym8458]

cap: "this is like flying a friggin bus." Well now your an airbus pilot

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@turnerdan53]

Compressor stalls are so fun. I am sure DCS can't reproduce the loud boom of one. I got to test one engine into a low pressure stall and people came running from the next building to see what we blew up. Got to see a grown man almost pass out after running up 3 flights of stairs before he remembered what the testing of the day was.

[@rubiconnn]

The viggen does have sounds for a compressor stall but I don't think any other planes do. It sounds like someone banging on metal trashcan with a hammer. It sounds pretty close to a real life compressor stall. You can hear it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoW8qadrf72Gfpo

[@g3arjammer837]

Yay new GR Video! Have a good day Cap (and the rest of GR).

[@tonyroberts4807]

Seeing the Argentinian skin on the mig gave me an idea for a wargame. What if the Argentinians had soviet equipment in1982...mig-21s, mig-23s, and su-22s. BMPs, T-72s, soviet SAMs and AA from the era. Would it have made a difference?

[@rogerpennel1798]

The Mig-21 was in the colors of the airforce of Afghanistan.

[@passantNL]

@@rogerpennel1798 Argentinians don't usually live in Afghanistan.

[@passantNL]

It wouldn't have made any difference where their aircraft came from. It wasn't the quality of their equipment that caused their defeat. It was the failure to properly plan for war. Also, one of the Argentinian problems was British subs stopping Argentinian ships from bringing supplies to the islands, and the fact that large transport aircraft and fast jets couldn't operate from the Port Stanley airfield. So they had no way to transport heavy equipment to the islands.

[@rogerpennel1798]

@@passantNL - The Argentinians invaded the Falklands in an effort to stir up nationalistic fervor and redirect the anger of the Argentines from the ruling military junta to the British. The military junta had been fighting a clandestine war against its own people for decades and in the short term, this distraction worked, and Argentine nationalism helped prop up the government. However, just like Saddam, the ruling junta calculated its land grab would be against an enemy who lacked the will or ability to take back its territory.

[@tonyroberts4807]

I meant in the thumbnail which as far as I can tell is not any of the colors Afghanistan flew...

[@PierreBez1]

Just goes to show the skills of the actual real SAAF pilots flying F1

[@tuskegee87]

Thanks for this video Cap! Painful data collection....for science! This answered all of my questions about them. I've been looking at doing more cold war flying so this is great data gather for the best rolls.

[@rileymatheson1029]

GS would murder all of you in every one of those. This isnt disrespect but an observation. Pilot skill trumps performance, especially in quirky or underperforming aircraft. still love the channel Mon Capitain

[@grimreapers]

Yup hands up, we are pretty bad in these old jets.

[@markuskoivisto]

Before watching the video, I’m placing my bets on the Mirage F1

[@markuskoivisto]

Hah

[@hemendraravi4787]

oof

[@lazyman556]

Time period wise, shouldn't the A-4 also have been included? Still, great video guys

[@Anarchy_420]

F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk!👍

[@catfood_03_4stray]

You fly the Mirage-F1 in a dogfight carrying 2 unnesessary R-530F that only add drag and they make the aircraft a bit heavier too.

[@grimreapers]

Yup my mistake.

[@mrlodwick]

Capt, chicken wings chilli sauce , CHIPS and roasted peppers- BEER! And you always down play your skill btw!

[@Floki255]

Mig-21 is my favourite module in DCS so my bet is on her.

[@tqkudzal]

Same here, idk what it is about that plane but it's my favorite too.

[@rubiconnn]

The sound of the engine while inside the cockpit is so meaty and grumbly. If only the radar was more useful and less of a pain to use.

[@madaxe606]

Same. Absolutely LOVE that plane. Amazingly capable even against 4th fighters set at Ace level.... if you can survive to the merge.

[@madaxe606]

@@rubiconnn CHeck out Nin's sound mod if you haven't already. VAST improvement over the base sound. The afterburner pop is phenomenal.

[@tqkudzal]

@@rubiconnn Wish they made a mod for the modern model of the Mig-21

[@Anarchy_420]

Mirage F-1 VS Panavia Tornado Mosquito VS Pucara F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk MIG-28 VS MIG-29 F-16I Sufa VS F-15STOL/MTD Fox2 Dogfight! MB-339 Aerimacchi VS AJS37 Viggen MIG-19 VS MIG-21 J-10 VS SU-27 Please fly Planes on the left!👍👍

[@hemendraravi4787]

Mig29 beats the mig28 easily , the Russians actually got a f5e , they tested it against mig23,mig21 , u can say that the f5e contributed a bit to the development of mig29 , it would simply outrate and perform wayy better in a 1 circle against the f5 . Su27 also beats j10 , mig19 would outrate the mig21 but mig21 can beat the mig19 in a 1 circle fight.

[@Anarchy_420]

@@hemendraravi4787 lol for the millionth time we've seen GR* do more with less I kno it will be a challenge however I believe IN A Dogfight guns only GR* can beat The MIG-29 flying in The MIG-28/F-5 from Top Gun! I like the idea of Old Fictional VS Newer Real each flying their Soviet/Russian colors of their time...

[@Anarchy_420]

@@hemendraravi4787 We can sit here and say this one is better so it will win all day lol I'd rather see the fight and it's not supposed to be easy however once again it's the pilot not the plane GR can most certainly win in each of these and I believe it will be entertaining😆✌

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@Anarchy_420 I feel like the mig29s mig28 fight will literally be like mirage f1 vs mig21 fight

[@Anarchy_420]

@@hemendraravi4787 The fight they only did one of lol well I feel that your literally wrong👌 The F-5 is entirely different and better in every way than F-1 Mirage it's not even a good comparison The F-5/MIG-28 is agile while The MIG-29 maybe more so once again I expect it to be a challenge but not a complete washout and believe it would be entertaining! Don't really kno what else I can tell you if you really don't like the idea then say so and with all due respect leave me alone 👍

[@mcelravys]

Every time I see the Viggen I think of Gerry Anderson and UFO. It just seems that aircraft would have fit nicely as a SHADO interceptor.

[@MegaRadarlove]

That is strange as I watched video on the SKY missions from UFO (all the same shot :( ) but a fav and today watched Cpt. Scarlet and the Mysterons -- " Seek & Destroy " Destiny Angels scene -- Ed Bishop voiced Cpt. Blue and played Ed Straker in UFO.

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

I believe they got more inspiration from Drakken astonishing design looking at the time schedule and by the way J35 was really a different plane in some way made Viggen as I expect it would be. Bye Freedom everyone

[@TheNecromancer6666]

The JA Viggen, so the interceptor version, actually does have a bow mounted Oerlicon 30mm.

[@jamison884]

Damp is such a great dude. You can just tell he's the type who would genuinely appreciate all of the man-meat thrown his way regardless of the official FDA grade; a man who will gladly accept both the Grade-A Prime cuts and the lowly cuts destined for the pet-food cannery. Daddy makes room for all the meat at the end of the night. And even when the local meat supply eventually runs dry, that appetite will never be subdued, that thirst will never be quenched, so you know you can still find him in the candy aisle, ensuring every piece finds a warm mouth. ...too far?

[@hemendraravi4787]

What ?

[@jamison884]

@@hemendraravi4787 You don't know damp well enough. He's always referring to daddies (9:50) and talking about candy.

[@yahnump]

Cap, at 19:26, Damp had dorpped a piece of candy on his cockpit floor and was busy trying to find it. Probably a watermelon jawbreaker.

[@grimreapers]

ooof

[@martinjh999]

14:30 What is that AF colours the Mig has on it?? THinking it's somewhere in the Middle East...

[@passantNL]

Afghanistan.

[@1966babysnakes]

Combat Flaps! Pwaahaahaa! Don't tell my misses!

[@grimreapers]

oof

[@acebubbles5023]

are the other variants of the F1 going to be flyable? I’d love to multicrew the two seaters

[@questofknowledge8788]

Yes, the 2 seater and M will be flyable. When in doubt chk the controls options, you can see what all is going on there.

[@Tetemovies4]

@@questofknowledge8788 The F1EE as well.

[@snow1-2pinkkush46]

pulling the combat flap in the mirage f1 right of the bat is really a bad idea ahaha

[@shawdawg3675]

How would the F-5 performed in this situation? I know its not designed for dogfighting, but I do feel it can turn pretty well. Ive seen some of your guys pull some pretty impressive maneuvers with them

[@TheNecromancer6666]

The F5 is underpowered but very manouverable, especially low down. Easily able to beat the Mig 21 in a dogfight. No clue how it works with the F1 and Viggen.

[@timblack6422]

It’s a great day!

[@monkeyeagle1921]

In reality F1 seemed to have the measure of the 21 over Angola?

[@grimreapers]

Fair point.

[@rodrigonunez9451]

why no F-5? would i love see this dogfight again with A-4s and F-5s too

[@rogerpennel1798]

Mirage F-1 vs Lockheed F-104 would be interesting. Two mach 2 point defense interceptor/ground attack aircraft.

[@bertrandbarbe245]

mm lots of nose high, heavy load and drag. Mirage F1 is not a dogfighter design but it can still hold his ground pretty good. Corner speed are 295 with combat flaps and 450 clean. slightly nose down attitude and aoa between blue and green you can sustain turn between 450 and 510 all day long with pretty good rate for that generation. When almost there cash in the energy, free of insane aoa induced crazyness, and light it! f-5 ,mig 21, 23 su 22 mig 19 no problem.

[@101ranger98]

Cap just love the Wiggins...lol

[@MegaRadarlove]

ummmm -- My bets are on the pilots -- Sok # 1 Damp # 2 Cap # 3 -- Mig - 21 best plane.

[@JF-0052]

Cap make a video with a split screen showing the DCS aircraft your flying on one and the other showing you using your controls.😁👍🇨🇦

[@grimreapers]

Yeh have been thinking about that.

[@lumbergh100]

Cap - corner speed is easy calc, its sqrt(G limit)xStall Speed. usually 6G so about 2.5x stall speed. Stall speed is easy to find - pull the tightest turn radius you can maintain in a flat turn, thats your stall speed :)

[@lucky_luke4785]

Is that structural g limit or maximum sustained turn g? Because the technical number max g of the frame doesn‘t make a lot of sense to me?

[@lumbergh100]

@@lucky_luke4785 I should have said, G is whatever your blackout limit is. I dont know where its set in DCS but use whatever its set to for SQRT(G). in a fighter the sustained limit should be the pilot, not the airframe.

[@lumbergh100]

ofc if the airframe is pants and will fail before the pilot blacks out, use that :D

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@TheJimtanker]

Next exciting match, combat blimps.

[@grimreapers]

Seriously, I'll do it.

[@MikeHarrison3266]

I hate deliberate animal violence and I was not going to watch but when I saw NO dogs were involved I thought, ok then, I'm in.

[@perkristoffersson4153]

Too bad there's no JA37 available as an option to the AJ37.

[@christophero55]

Seems to me that it should be added since the AJ37 is in there. Maybe a mod of the AJ.

[@jontay8321]

Then Cap would have had a KCA cannon and six sidewinders.

[@trevorday7923]

Is my memory wrong or did the MiG-21 have serious stability issues as its fuel load burned off?

[@aragracian]

The real Mirage F1 can carry 3 30mm gun pods in the central station and wings, is that modeled in DCS?

[@TheMightyBren]

Can you do Mirage F1 vs Mirage 2000C

[@TomaszStochmal]

why not using flares in dogfight?

[@ben2741]

Ok, I know Fox 1, 2, and 3… but what is Fox 4? Kamikazie?

[@Seventeeenth]

Let me fight yall

[@grimreapers]

These sessions are actually open to all. Record them 1200BST in GR discord. Join in.

[@gillcallaghan2698]

Why no F5 or Mig 19? Mig 21 performs better using a max of 60Ms and the 2nd afterburner.

[@efraimk1673]

Three SEXY old girls duking it out. Love this stuff! Viggen jag håller på dig!

[@captain_kirkyt2481]

Viggen should have had one gun pod and one flare probally

[@zainredding3476]

I'm not a fan of the Mirage. Good vid guys thanx.

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

Yeah, but Mirage 2000 is a sexy beast, the only one who looks better as single seat along F-16 and EF-2000 that are pretty both single and double seats, all the others I prefer them in double seats variants F-15, F-18, Su-27/J-16, Raphale, Mig-29, J-10 obviously F-14 or I don't like them at all. Bye Freedom everyone

[@kristiankruse3964]

How about a raid to destroy the 3 gorges dam?

[@grimreapers]

Love it

[@kristiankruse3964]

@@grimreapers other than it would probably border a war crime, it would stop China in its tracks. 400.000.000 people would be effected and most of the PLA reserves would be gone. Forget about the Crimea bridge

[@TheHitbear]

Cap BORED him to death.....heck. a kill is a kill.

[@grimreapers]

My secret skill.

[@rmp5s]

Nearly a fox-4...roooooofl

[@iseriver3982]

It's funny how physics has been the same since the 1950's, and yet the high performance billion pound life and death country defending fighter jets have ended up being super diverse.

[@efraimk1673]

Surely one of the beauties of aircraft, that's what makes it so much fun :)

[@TheAmbex]

OAP? Old pensioners? Lol

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@Themissleknowswhereyouare]

Whooo

[@peribe438]

Go Sweden, Viggen!🚀

[@samueljanderson]

You guys certainly do NOT know how to fly combat. You decide to turn with the planes rather than use maneuvers to gain the advantage when you can't turn.

[@rustyshackleford3316]

Farst