[MLP] The Sad Truth About Princess Celestia and Luna

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Princess Celestia and Luna's past has been shrouded in mystery for a very long time, but today let's peal back part of the curtain so we can see the truth about luna, celestia adn perhaps something even more in MLP!
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[@mattlatorre9084]

Cadance didn't announce her pregnancy until the middle of Season 5, after the Mane 6 had already unlocked the chest of the Tree of Harmony. Perhaps Flurry Heart was conceived by the power of the tree in response to this, sort of a real-world mythological parallel to the concept of a virgin birth, as a sort of gift to Equestria. But nobody saw the connection.

[@heatherstouffer6167]

Matthew LaTorre 🧠💥

[@meiru2453]

If that was the case Shining Armor would be at least concerned that he might not be the father

[@christiantwist3360]

Only Jesus was conceived of a virgin

[@Юрий-я1ю6б]

In this case feel sad about Shining armor.

[@Jamie_Cherry]

maybe Celestia and luna ment there hasn't been a naturally born alicorn in thousands of years

[@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376]

@@Elenamoon6688 And Season 9 never even gave us an actual dark origin story for Princess Celestia and Princess Luna at ALL such a wasted missed opportunity for Season 9.

[@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376]

@@Elenamoon6688 Yeah they should've given us one.

[@xxlivi_theunicornxxxx2733]

Yes I agree!!

[@xxlivi_theunicornxxxx2733]

Omg- Queen Galaxias and Ling Cosmos were maybe born as alicorns!! Oh yeah, those are their parents!!

[@xxlivi_theunicornxxxx2733]

Soooo Princess cadence and Twilight sparkle are ARTIFICIAL ALICORNS?!? Hmmm does that mean cadence is like 22 or something..

[@FUSHICHOorKURAYAMI]

She says Equestria "HAS NEVER SEEN THE BIRTH OF AN ALICORN." That Means They Have Been Around Since BEFORE Equestria Existed. BEFORE The Ponies United. BEFORE The Ponies Started Worshipping Them. The tree of Harmony is just a vessel that gives out magic thats meant to go to its perspective user. Its not some sentient being making Alicorns and controling Equestria. By the Two Sisters own words we know know they were Alicorns already. And there are no other Alicorns. In Twilights battle with Tyrek Celestia makes it clear that their magic CANT just disappear. It CANT just Go Away. They HAVE TO PUT IT IN SOMETHING. Now we come to the Tree of Harmony. Equestria was clearly not always this Happy Sunshine Peaceful Place. So logically if there are beings that have immense power to change things they will use it. BUT they obviously realized they needed something for Long Term. In the world of Magic, the Sun, Moon, Stars and Earth are the four Major bodies that you draw power from. And the tree of Harmony represents All of them. The sun that is Celestias cutie mark, the moon that is Lunas cutie mark, the star that is Twilights cutie mark and the Tree that connects these Celestial forces to the Earth and thus Represents the Earth. The Alicorns of old are gone because they GAVE UP THEIR POWER. Just like when Celestia, Luna and Cadence gave up their power to Twilight and became Mortal. They became basically glorified Horses at that point. Now Imagine the Alicorns of old Giving their powers of harmony and balance to Equestria. Theyd need something that was bound to the entire planet. Enter a Crystal Tree. In magic Crystals are used to AMPLIFY Power. Kinda Ironic that the Tree of Harmony is CLEARLY Made Of CRYSTAL. Crystals in magic are also used to STORE POWER. Like when you use a pendulum. The pendulum reacts to your energy that travels through the quatz crystal at the end youre holding and down through the metal chain to the crystal. The reaction is that the pendulum starts to swing based on your energy waves. Ive actually made pendulums for meditation and i assure you they work. So now we have a tree thats able to not only Store Magic but also Amplify it! But magic like most energy works best with things that conduct it well. Enter in the Elements Of Harmony. As its been made very clear throughout MLP, ALL PONIES POSSESS SOME FORM OF MAGIC. And that is where the Elements come in. The elements are most logically imbued with the magical energy of the Alicorn who imbued each trait of Harmony: Laughter, Loyalty, Honesty, Kindness, Generosity and of course the Magic that binds them all and creates Friendship. The magic gravitated to a pony who most exemplified the trait! Enter the main Six. Each one showed their traits at an early Age. Each one despite their hardships never lost their traits. And each one was bond together by one simple act making them even more special as a whole. This isnt being controlled by a Tree, but by the simply Force of the Magic that was Stored In the tree. The magic will gravitate to where it fits best. And that is in the main six. And even after they put the elements back it doesnt change the fact that the magic is now part of them. And thanks to Twilights Crystal Castle that magic will continue to be stored and amplified by every pony who discovers the Magic of Friendship and Harmony. Her Castle is basically a giant Friendship Cannon just storing up energy Just Like The Entire Crystal Empire is a giant Love Cannon. Love and Friendship Create Harmony. And that is why Skyla is an Alicorn. The magic she was surrounded with her entire life has been Love and Friendship and was absorbed into her before she was even born!! So of course before she even comes out she became an Alicorn. Because Alicorns are not Pawns.....They Are The Physical Embodiment OF HARMONY. All Three Tribes, In One Pony. So when Celestia says Equestria has never seen the Birth of an Alicorn, it means because its been so long since the land was Harmonious enough to support one. In the story of Heartswarming we learn that the land was not always unharmonious. The ponies lived in peace for a love time. But negative emotions started dividing them. Obviously you dont want a magical being as powerful as an Alicorn going bad because the land is bad and filled with negativity. We saw what happened with Luna and how Negativity can effect a powerful Alicorn and ultimately the entire World. So interesting video but thinking the tree is controling everything is way off the mark. The tree couldnt even defend itself. It needed the magic put back in it just for it to survive which says to me, that someone else created it. And those creators were the Alicorns that are no longer around because they sacrificed their immortality to ensure the budding Equestria would continue on.

[@rotothedragonlord7198]

Fushicho Kurayami Your theory is sort of like mine down bellow, except I think that long ago every pony was an alicorn but they where divided by disharmony and thus became the 3 types.. In the comment you can see most of the other stuff Some things to add is you don't need to include princess skyla (pretty sure she isn't cannon) and I also think it's pretty safe to assume the alicorn from the hearts and hoofs day is fictional too.. I know it would be weird to make a holiday out of a fictional story, but if she was a real alicorn then they probably would have named her by now. (At least that's what we will go with unless a "lengends of magic" comic comes out further developing hearts and hoofs) Also I'm pretty sure that the tree of harmony is sentient, or at least has the magic of olden alicorns inside who guide equestria (the only other possibility I would think is if an opposite of discord being the spirit of harmony lived and worked through the tree, also being the same one who created the world and original alicorn ponys in the first place) Onward, I know my theory of all ponys used to be alicorns is a bit weird and hard to back up, but to me it makes more since then alicorns just being a race far superior to the other types of ponys. How some alicorns remained could be that there where a few who kept their harmony and friendship amongst each other while the rest fell into disharmony, and the few left hid away until celestia and Luna where chosen, became alicorns, and found their way to them. One big reason this may be right is what we know about the childhood of princess celestia and luna. It's not much but we know that: 1. According to the journal of the two sisters, They spent some time being raised by alicorns 2. They have yet to speak of their parents 3. When star swirl found them they where supposedly around the cmc's age or older (going some off of legends of magic 1) and they where further thought magic by starswirl and have yet to master it. I think it's safe to assume they aren't full blown goddesses, it is strange that they don't remember their parents, but at the same time it was a long, long time ago, and barely remember their time with the alicorns. I would say that they where orphaned regular ponys (type up for debate) who proved their love towards each other with some amazing feat, became alicorns, where found by the other alicorns, and those alicorns could sense that the ponys survived the windigos and blizzard and that equestria was forming, so they casted an age spell and had to send them on their way to be found by starswirl. This might would answer why the sisters can still be a little immature at times, and how they still needed magic training from starswirl despite being raised by alicorns. Despite everything I said we will just have to wait and see for what the show and comics tell us about the yet to be named planet and the origins of pony kind. Discord likely fits into it some where (still confused as to why he appears in fiendship is magic #2 looking a lot more serious than his goofy self which takes place AFTER celestia and Luna where coronated.) But it's still to early to tell how the discord puzzle piece fits in, he seems to only remember far back as tirek and only started to cause trouble some time before Luna was banished... If you want I'll come up with some theorys surrounding discord, but it would be a lot of speculations. I'll just let this be it for now.

[@x_xdeadfacex_x2329]

Holy cow

[@x_xdeadfacex_x2329]

Thats a pretty good theory

[@princessluna6595]

We are over 1.000 years old

[@IAmYou5517]

I'm not reading that

[@briannahensel4664]

What I think makes no sense is: Rarity talks about Princess Celestia's nephew, would that be Luna's son? It never says Luna's nephew.... but does Luna have a son? Do they secretly have a different sister? Why is he Celestia's nephew? Why does he look so much like princess Celestia? How is he her nephew?

[@CandyApples4ever]

Brianna Hensel it is possible he is adopted.

[@briannahensel4664]

Just odd that he looks so much like Celestia

[@chaoticdusk1316]

Brianna Hensel Adopted I mean Cadence is said to be her niece but Luna was kinda stuck in the moon so they can't be related to her.

[@briannahensel4664]

Like I said it's weird that they look so similar

[@christinewhoyt]

Chaotic Dusk In fact Cadence was an Orphan (as I heard or saw) so she just adopter her as her niece vecause she MIGHT have not candenca mom (But not telling her now would be weird so?) At least the new part of hasbro just trough that canon up too...Hasbro don't to that...Please!

[@adrianarosado6264]

Who's your favorite princess 1.Twilight 2.Cadence 3.Luna 4.Celestia Now the number of likes at the end is who you are 0.twilight 1.Rainbow dash 2.applejack 3.rarity 4. Pinkie pie 5.fluttershy 6.Applebloom 7.scootaloo 8.sweetybelle 9. Luna Now on to the tens 10. Celestia 20.cadence 30.flurry heart 40. Shining armor 50. Spike Tell me which one you are And I'll start I'm rainbow dash

[@calcium369]

ADRIANA ROSADO 9th like yah luna

[@joannakeen7802]

I agree, Luna And its got nine likes..

[@capriumnoir6426]

1.Twilight 2.Luna 3.Cadence 4.Celestia

[@TheBloodyPawprints]

I'm Cadence

[@rebeccagibbons9926]

My fave princess is eiher Cadence or Twilight.

[@MyRkAcc]

Celestia didnt say there is no such thing as a naturally born alicorn just that equestria didnt see a birth. especially since flurry is a naturally born alicorn so she couldnt even say it since it wouldnt be true. i think their born alicorns, as you mentined there is was a whole tribe/village of alicorns. why make a entire tribe if only a few are needed at most. for the worst times when discord ruled only 2 were needed? what was then while the whole tribe was around...

[@DavidJoh]

Honestly the "Equestria has never seen the birth of an alicorn' bit is less important than the "It is a great mystery". If alicorns are born then it is not a great mystery that one has been born. Therefore alicorns have not been born prior to Flurry Heart. The simple answer is of course this: "With that episode, the Journal of the Two Sisters has been expelled from canon." When it was first written, Hasbro had not yet decided that it wanted Cadence's child to be the unnatural abomination it turned out to be. What comes later over-rules what came before and in many ways having Luna and Celestia be raised by an entire village of alicorns was always a mistake in world building terms. A canonical village of alicorns isn't Chekov's Gun. It's Chekov's Nuclear Missile.

[@alphawolf3300]

David Johnston you should see my idea in my comment

[@anastaciuss372]

MyRkAcc nope star swirl turned them into alicorns..amd it is logic celestia sais they have never seen the birth of an alicorn

[@anastaciuss372]

Sai :D did u call me 'shit'?!!!!!!!😡😠😡😡

[@anastaciuss372]

Sai :D could u shut up what did i ever do to u?

[@AppleOfThineEye]

You keep mentioning in this video how the two Royal Sisters *choose* who is worthy of becoming an alicorn, but... I really just don't think that's the case. The two ponies who have become alicorns seem to have earned it by proving themselves from within, not by a way that can be seen so much as felt. If we just look at Twilight's transformation, Celestia would have no idea about what happened until Twilight had reached the Celestial Plain, at which point I think Celestia was only there to walk her through it and make sure she's okay. It wasn't Celestia that changed Twilight; the magic that made her an alicorn came from the Elements, and the last spark came from herself. We see the magic come out of her chest. Celestia doesn't interfere with anything during the process. It seems completely natural. Still love your theories though.

[@YtMoonstream]

In twilights case, Celestia did choose her.

[@Dawudhudson1]

I know im four years late but this art work is so fire like this is why I love the mlp fandom

[@Moliminous]

THIS WAS UPLOADED BUT GOT CUTOFF, IT'S NOW TWICE AS LONG! PLEASE BE SURE TO RE LIKE!

[@brockthecryptozoologistc-f7551]

Moliminous do a video on if cadance and shining armor will get divorced

[@aarmaureactions4life844]

Moliminous are you a girl?

[@shadowangelgaming9642]

No Moliminous Is Moliminous

[@phoenixburk6731]

can I ask why gender matters in this case?

[@JonathonWilder]

Celestia and Luna were born before Equestria was a nation, and founded by the three tribes. As such, it would make sense that Celestia says Equestria has never seen the birth of an alicorn. I do not buy that the Tree of Harmony created the Royal Sisters. On why the other alicorns are not shown or mentioned, I prefer the theory that Discord got rid of them much in the same way as described in Discordantly.

[@UwU-ob3in]

hmm, i have a question and it maight be a good idea idk you decide. how would a non unicorn controll the alicorn amulet? like, if they have no horn what is the benefit of using an alicorn amulet. this thing has been bothering me since trixie first used it ;-;

[@averyvaldez1371]

First of all alicorns are part earth pony, unicorn, and Pegasus so it benefits them in different ways if they put on the amulet Unicorn = Advanced​ Magic Pegasus = Faster flying Earth pony = Super strength

[@tommyseabee2176]

The Pegasister copy that. Advanced strength, advanced flight maybe.

[@jojo-xk8ri]

Proper grammar for you: "Hmm, I have a question, and it might be a good idea. Idk, you decide. How could a non unicorn control the Alicorn Amulet? Like, if they have no horn, what it the benefit of using an Alicorn Amulet? This thing has been bothering me since Trixie first used it ;-;."

[@UwU-ob3in]

Minnah4 AJ bro, what grammar? all you did was copy and paste my text and add some simbols (i forgot how they were called :P)

[@jojo-xk8ri]

Tea Addict sometimes i say "grammar" instead of commas, periods, etc. XD sorry :P but ye xd u might have a point tho with ur question thingy o-o

[@callamcdaniel2721]

Where do you get you art? Every time I watch you videos I think "DANG! Where can I find these?!? They're SO good!!" *searches Google desperately*

[@Moliminous]

Emily Reddington there's a Google doc in just about every videos description labeled art with all links

[@callamcdaniel2721]

Ok, Thanks! I didn't see that before because I'm as blind as a bat

[@BiggaMyMan]

Luna is best princess.

[@truthtimewithme7029]

Yep

[@princessdiana8303]

agreed luna is the best

[@annasanchez6949]

Hi! That's so true

[@Tycini1]

If you think so, you're edgy, immature and have a snowflake syndrome.

[@monix_6728]

Yes

[@lunaspearce2925]

How old is celestial and luna xD

[@YtMoonstream]

Celestia , as we know of, is about over 10,000 years old Luna may be a thousand years younger, I dk

[@bloodworldnight738]

3:50 I wonder who made this drawing, it's beautiful, Luna is so beautiful!!!!!!!

[@peeblekitty5780]

Maybe Equestria wasn't Equestria at the time they were born. That the kingdom went by a different name and was restarted under the rule of the two princesses. Or Celestia lied, and if that's so, it'd be interesting to theorize why.

[@katelynbodiford5680]

Celestia did lie Celestia always lies she lied about Equestria's past and history and is keeping secrets and information from The Mane Six and Spike she also stole Spike from his parents

[@katelynbodiford5680]

Peeble Kitty Yeah Celestia did lie she always lies there could be information and dark secrets that Celestia is keeping from Twilight Spike and their friends and her subjects because she doesn't want them to know the real truth about Equestria's past and history I believe Equestria's past and history is darker than we think

[@seleneofthemoon9991]

key phrase "never seen before in Equestria" it's likely that they were not originally Equestria born. Take note that C&L obtained the EoH prior to them facing Discord, and that they could possibly be interconnected with the Tree of Harmony to a point, considering they had their first castle built directly over it, probably to protect it from an evil that could end it's existence forever... I don't sugar coat the obvious here, and I agree with everything you said, but there is a part of me that thinks there could still be a long lost alicorn civilization beyond​ Equestrian borders... that none of them knows about... a civilization that has excluded itself from the world, to survive an evil that could be hunting for them... sorry, went crazy. Pegasus Rose Bat out.

[@ytfoxygamingps9161]

Celestia and Luna probably said that because they didn't see themselves be born so yah they said that cause they have never *seen* an alicorn born so they yah know we'll just saying no offence.

[@anastaciuss372]

YTfoxygaming PS i am sure they would rember if they where born alicorn cos baby pictures child hood memos and that stuff

[@RaustShieldra]

Harmony is a deity. The elements are her avatars through which she channels her direct power, and the alicorn are her independent agents. I'm not the best to explain it, it came from a good friend of mine, but she blew my mind.

[@greyworld6242]

If this is true, then who or what created the tree? Actually what is the origin of mlp universe? Was their a Big Bang of something? What do you think guys?

[@tommyseabee2176]

Grey World, Primus is a living planet and deity-entity in the fictional Transformers universe who fought against the Chaos-Bringer Unicron. The Lord of the Light, Primus is the being who created the Primes to help it defeat Unicron, and the Transformers homeworld Cybertron. Is Celestia the Chaos-Bringer Unicorn.

[@TheGogo85]

the tree was planted by the pillars

[@jaelynloera9883]

Didn’t the pillars creat the tree of harmony.

[@YtMoonstream]

The six pillars placed a fraction of their magic into a crystalline seed, which grew into a tree of which bore the elements

[@manalvlogs-pf1qq]

the pillar created thee tree hehe

[@Doc903]

This makes me want them to try and use the tree of harmony in the new series, even if it isn't holding any elements. Like, maybe Twilight's cutie mark should make it where it means she can communicate telepathically/emotionally/something-ally with the tree.

[@RoundRobin0]

Possible Explanations: The sisters are flat up lying about the Alicorn thing OR They accidently smashed head first into each other on landing and have concussions and forgot about the other Alicorns

[@r.henryjr.1533]

RoundRobin0 possibly

[@katelynbodiford5680]

Nope Celestia and Luna are knowingly lying about Natural born Alicorns and they're always lying about Equestria's past and history even Pre Equestria's past and history

[@ykiihiz]

@@katelynbodiford5680 alicorns were born out of equestria which meant equestria has never seen a birth of an alicorn, get ur fax straight

[@zq1na_b972]

LMFAO

[@katelynbodiford5680]

We really need an episode where Celestia and Luna revealed that they lied about Natural born Alicorns and they are also born Natural born Alicorns themselves

[@shawndonovan216]

Now This Comment Is Lost In Dis Video :(

[@UwU-ob3in]

you're right

[@toastlotl]

but i found it

[@christinewhoyt]

Shawn Donovan I found it

[@lyric_521]

i found it

[@Retir..oldacc]

Found it

[@leelee4265]

Well there comes flurry heart she was born an alicorn which does give a chance luna and celestia were born alicorns

[@jarlholm5398]

But she is artificial not whatever, whatever(i haven't seen the vid)

[@Unazaki]

So essentially, the tree is kind of like the Fal'Cie in Final Fantasy XIII, and the alicorns are essentially the L'Cie. Disposable tools that are forged to carry out the will of others, and who are only kept active as long as they are needed. That's some serious lore theory you have there!! O_O

[@lps.heartrotter]

LUNA IS BETTER CELESTIA

[@YautjaPrime_WYC]

From what we've seen in the show tho Celestia and Luna found the tree as alicorns. Therefore the made by the tree theory is out the window. One video ghosty suggests that both the princesses hail from a far off land where naturally born alicorns reside. Since this theory is also non canon it's only speculation as well. But sounds a little more believable

[@cocoatwist]

...wow. I absolutely love dark theories like this, and this is pretty likely. It's cool how the alicorns are just tools, doing everything that the tree wanted them to. It's interesting, and I love this theory. Great job!

[@miadolensek6402]

I don't know if I wanna believe that the tree of harmony is some kind of machine for alicorn production... It just sounds, I dunno... weird? confusing? wrong?

[@keeleekooloo1439]

I think they were chosen because they use to be twins before the nightmare-moon 'incident'.

[@amandahenderson3620]

I really enjoy the way you explain this show. Iv been watching this channel for sometime now. Iv grown to appreciate you and find myself looking forward to the next video you post. Gotta say my favorite video is 'Truth about Princess Luna' now that I have subscribed ill go through and show my love

[@chrisp.9385]

Celestia and Luna kept peace!? Literally their subjects kept equestria safe in peace

[@zoozoo3453]

@Moliminious, I believe in what you say about Luna and Celestia being tools is true due to the fact that the Tree of Harmony had the Sun and Moon symbol drawn or carved onto it when the Mane 6 unlocked the box given to them by the Tree, but if Flurry Heart is another tool from the Tree of Harmony, why does it not show the symbol of what Flurry will be on the Tree as well?

[@nhansen197]

My personal head cannon/theory is that all ponies of mixed ancestry of all three pony types are Alicorns, and it takes exposure to large amounts of magic to create the body with both wings and horn that is recognized as an Alicorn. As for the tree of harmony, I'm more inclined to think that it's a tool created by that all but forgotten tribe of Alicorns. There is nothing to link Flurry Heart to the tree, and it is far more likely that it was exposure to the magical field of the Crystal Heart that turned her into an Alicorn at such an early age. Now if the writers were to follow along the same line of thinking, I'd expect Shining Armor to become an Alicorn sometime in the not so distant future.

[@brittanychase7040]

On the night mare night episode Twilight says: "since your parents were born from mixed results" (she says it to Luna)

[@alliev8244]

the theory is pretty elaborate but I don't think this theory would be canon because of it being so elaborate but I like how you thought out of the box for that theory.

[@potatoaimbaked9036]

i think that luna and celestea are lying and they were born alicorns because they dont want anypony to know the past more than they already have and why is celestea hair on the flag green was it green when she younger. more powerful and older her hair started to be wavy maybe she was like twilight with friends saving the world 🌎

[@Moliminous]

Eden Trevino all canon sources would point to you being wrong

[@jojo-xk8ri]

Eden Trevino, please use actual commas, grammar, and good spelling. i hate people who don't put grammar, and commas, and even no periods. its very annoying. THIS is how you should've said it: "I think that Luna and Celestia are lying, and that they were born Alicorns because they don't want anypony to know the past more than they already know, and why is Celestia's hair on the flag green? Was it green when she was younger? My theory is that; Once she was more powerful and older, her hair started to be wavy and maybe she was like Twilight with friends who were helping to save the world." I know this has nothing to do with your theory (which i think is wrong), but i just wanted to correct you, because it always annoys me, since people can get easily confused, since you put a period, where a question mark should've been, put no commas, etc. Please try better next time, because it gets VERY annoying.

[@katiehansen5931]

Eden Trevino your being annoying stop being such a grammar nazi!

[@yourinternethistory6207]

Minnah4 AJ Boy, you must be fun at parties

[@jojo-xk8ri]

Your Internet History xD

[@karos009]

yes. dhey was once upon a time an alicorn tribe, but when the tree of harmony choosed tia and luna as some sort of tool, dhey become immortal. and the other alicorns just simply ascended to a higher realm,when dhey body just went nonfunction by old age.

[@WillowOfWhispers]

Celestia and Luna were born alicorns. They were just born before equestria was founded, since the princesses said that the birth of an alicorn is something that EQUESTRIA hasn't seen. They never said anything about the time before the founding of equestria.

[@j4zzsw155]

I believe that Celestia and Luna were unicorns (I'm not going into detail about them being unicorns or not) and weren't born as alicorns. This is because in the journal it says ' we'd pretend we were princesses' The alicorns that we know of in Equestria, are princesses. So if they were born alicorns they would have had to be princesses, but they weren't princesses. Therefore they weren't born alicorns

[@taylor13kanye741]

there was a cannon where it explained that maybe Celestia and Luna (and the ponies like them, where they come from) had to earn their wings and or horn. Just like we see with Twilight. It was also said they came to Equestria to help bring peace. Discord was in control at that time and it sucked. They are making princesses so that one day they might return to the place they came from. I don't remember who made the cannon though.

[@moonspot675]

Have you seen the fan made series "princess Trixie Sparkle"? Because later on in the story there´s a pretty realistic and logical past, which also explains why Celestia is still a "Princess" and not a "Queen".

[@picture_less4824]

Hmmm, since celestia is older, she would have never seen her self born because of how young she was at the time, she would be to young to remember, she is over 1000 years old. Luna probably would not have remembered her birth either, I think Celestia didn’t get to witness her sisters birth because they didn’t let her? I guess they intended to be technical when they said that?

[@picture_less4824]

Now that I think of it, Luna and Celestia don’t look alike genetically, but there are genitcal values to support that, or there is something darker about it?

[@magnolia2856]

Y'know they have parents.... On the official mlp wiki it states that Queen Galaxia and King Cosmos are Luna and Celestia's parents...

[@matcha_zuki5597]

Luna and celestia used to be powerful forces to be reckoned with now they just seem so wel and easily defeated

[@ykiihiz]

Celestia was a unicorn turned into an alicorn while Luna was a pegasus turned into an Alicorn.

[@inkyscrolls5193]

Of _course_ they're naturally born Alicorns! They were around way before the founding of Equestria, thus Equestria has never seen any natural born Alicorns. Proof of this can be seen on the flag of Equestria, which hasn't changed since Equestria was founded.

[@atchmon902]

I like to imagine some Ratchet & Clank / Dr. Who situation; where the Alicorns faced some great evil (maybe a war with the Draconequus') and magicked themselves and the evil they fought to another dimension. Celestia and Luna were too young at the time and were saved by their parents from the event, leaving them the only Alicorns left in Equestria.

[@sanclementejenny]

Lauren Faust said that celestia and Luna were born alicorns

[@TheGogo85]

but she left the show after season 2 so whatever she said is not canon today

[@oyvey8596]

The thing that makes the answer simple to me is that, the princess sisters have elongated bodies. Even though Twilight was transformed into an Alicorn she was still a natural average pony size. So in conclusion, I believe that differentiates born and created Alicorns.

[@cordisdoesstuff4829]

DISCLAIMER: I don't know anything that hasn't been shown in the show it'self. If someone has information on this subject that i may be unaware about, PLEASE. Do not hesitate to inform me 3:00 Alright. About the flag. If you call back to the story of Teirek (or, however you spell the name) Starswirl was part of that story, and so was Luna & Celestia. Also, to further enhance this comment, the character Twilight is playing in the Heart's Warming Eve episode is (I believe) explicitly said to be Starswirl's apprentice. So yes, i would believe that Celestia and Luna do exist at this point. However that does leave me with one question. Actually, several. Why would Luna & Celestia let things get so out of hand? What was Starswirl doing in all of this? Why, whenever Celestia & Luna were explaing Teirek's story, they said that he planned to destroy all of Equestria? when in fact, (if the info above is correct) we know that Equestria more than likely didn't exist at this point. Unless......How do we know Starswirl never became an alicorn? has it ever been written down somewhere that there have only been female alicorns? this would explain his appearance in the Teirek story... Or maybe it's just a usual oversight in consistency. yeah, sure that's just it.

[@newcollector]

I'm sticking to what the original creator stated. Celestia and Luna were the only natural born alicorns in Equestria. Since Equestria wasn't founded until the three pony tribes joined together thousands of years ago, it stand to reason that the two were living somewhere outside of Equestria up until that point. Also, I don't believe they "made" Twilight or Cadence into alicorns. That was something the two of them earned over time by completely mastering their skills and obtaining a perfect understanding of themselves and others and using what they've learned to teach others.

[@goldenqueen7973]

there was totally a war that devastated Equestria and wiped out most of the alicorns.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

I think there are likely other Alicorns existing but their just not in Equestia, it could be that Celestia and Luna were born in another land but then bought to Equestia as fillys once they gained their cutie marks. Maybe Star Swirl is the Tree of Harmony or at least connected to it in some manner. The trouble is, the show just does not explore its lore very well, it brings things up and then simply drops them, such as Tirek, he got out, ran amock for a time and then reimprisoned and then nothing, not a peek out of him. Another charater who not been explored is Sombra, thou I would like for him to show up in Equiesta girls, seeing as his Pony counterpart got destoryed or something.

[@daki4046]

Am i the only one who thinks Luna is actually older than Celestia? Because of the eye shadow (ı know it is meanles)and Nightmare Moon 's tallness.

[@apeture_explorer4810]

Starswirl had created the tree with the pillars through a binding magic of Harmony derived from him and his compatriots. Now with the new comic of a Canon nature coming out revealing Celestia and Luna's early training and mentorship by starswirl, as well as the founding of the castle of the two sisters, we know them to be before the tree. Even more odd. We can also from the new episode coming up potentially determine how old Celestia is as well as how long she has served equestria. I recall in the leak a very specific date for her sun rising anniversary.

[@Areyouafraidofthedarkkuk]

Equestria hasn't seen a natural alicorn birth because they, being the only natural alicorns, are older than equestria.

[@articrain4081]

I really loved the artwork you used for this

[@jyotiseth5235]

Princess Celestia and Princess Luna's Parents are alicorns.That is why they said that Flurry Heart's birth is a surprise as her parents are an alicorn (Princess Cadence)and a unicorn (Shining Armor).

[@ziva3934]

Celestia and Luna are more powerfull than the other Alicorns, Luna says that at the Crystalling "Even OUR magic is lost to the frozen north" which means practically that. The Tree CANT have mad the Alicorns, Because Starswirl and the pillars made the tree but they didnt know that it grown into it (last episodes of season 7) but we do know Celestia and Luna were Starswirls people, sooo impossible. And in the Hearts Warming eve episode Twilight says that her teacher starswirl the bearded told her about the windigoes, so it could be that celestia and Luna were already born and in training at starswirls, and became rulers of equestria first after starswirl vanished and they turned discord to stone

[@shadowangelgaming9642]

I Said It Before I'll Say It Again I Believe The Tree Of Harmony Assigned Discord To Find Bearers Of The Elements Of Harmony And Only Beings Of Very High Magical Abilities Can Actually Hear Or Understand The Tree Of Harmony

[@msking1000]

Shadow Angel Gaming such as Alicorns? Right?

[@shadowangelgaming9642]

Yes, As Well As Other Beings Of High Magical Abilities Aka. Discord

[@katelynbodiford5680]

There needs to be a My Little Pony Season 7 episode where Celestia and Luna reveal they both lied about Natural born Alicorns and that they also lied about Equestria's past and history

[@barborapetrekova4594]

what i think is the right theory: celestia and luna WERE naturally born alicorns. In some episodes u can see maps of equestria. And i think not the whole pony dimension is just equestria. Because if u look close at the maps u can see that there are some other 'countries' around the equestria (like saddle arabia or the land tirek came from).Celestia said that birth of an alicorn is thing that equestria never seen. EQUESTRIA never seen. So that (maybe) means ponies can give birth to alicorns in other country. (or maybe there is only alicorn country)

[@natwal06]

But here’s a thing I thought of, what if they weren’t born in Equestria but still loved there for as far as they could remember. They did say “Equestria has never seen the birth of an alicorn” rather than saying the birth of an alicorn has never been seen before. Also here’s another theory, but what if Celestia and Luna are the last of their kind and are making artificial alicorns in hope to bring back the race. Since when they give a unicorn wings or a pegasus a horn they genetically change them, it makes the birth of Flurry Heart possible since Cadence in this case would be an artificial alicorn like Twilight. The ‘genetically modified’ theory isn’t originally mine, but as far as I know I never heard a theory saying Celestia and Luna may be the last of their kind or at least can’t remember if I’m the one who made it up. Idk

[@Woodsstories]

I wanted the show to have a not entirely happy ending. It would have involved Celestia and Luna traveling into the land of the Alicorns. Otherwise known as whatever the Greek word for heaven is. I was hoping they would sail into the sky on a ship, but the possibility that they could be absorbed into the tree is even more interesting. I doubt the show staff will do anything remotely like this, but still it is an amazing consideration.

[@eddog6666]

Well that does make sense and it fits with the fact that we know Princess Twilight will not outlive her friends.

[@ronaldpagar6513]

tell that to the season 9 finale it seems that she will outlive her friends

[@White_Lily01]

When they say "in Equestria" for Flurry Hearts to be Alicorn. I'm assuming Celly and LuLu mean literally IN Equestria because they--what lived there for centuries or so? However they came somewhere else soooooo..... their world and life style is different

[@bromodragone8405]

Celestia said that Equestria had never seen an Alicorn birth in many years.

[@chaoticdusk1316]

Near the end I kinda got the thought of what if there was more to Lunas transformation the just being ignored and jealous. If they really are just pawns what if Luna figured it out and that sent her over the edge. To me she seems like the type to not take "being used" very well and if she did figure it she probably wouldn't want to tell Celestia so that she wouldn't have to carry the burden of knowing everything they've ever done was planed out by another.

[@delphina3449]

Flurry heart isn't a natural alicorn, she's a fake one just like cadence. If twilight had a foal someday (probably will never happen in the show) there is a chance that that baby will be an alicorn.

[@SlothsAreFunnyAndCreepyLooking]

People say the reason is that they never got to *see* themselves born. But Celestia is OLDER then Luna and would have *seen* her as a baby/toddler. So that’s completely debunked

[@metaloidsinc]

they never said "the birth of an alicorn didnt exist". they simply said EQUESTRIA never saw the birth of an alicorn. im a fan of the theory that celestia and luna came from another realm or dimention where alicorns WERE natural. they came to equestira, saw a world of ponies that were threatened by powerful evils, and decided to stay and protect equestria.

[@Cuaedria]

The ponies aren't from Equestria originally. They left wherever the came from, when their original fighting attracted the windigos and made the land unliveable. It's possible that alicorns are an extremely rare convergence of the tree tribes and usually strong magic. Flurry Heart is simply the first alicorn BORN in Equestria, instead of coming from another land. It might be that alicorns exist (or existed) elsewhere, but they are very rarely born; they are more often made, as needed. If alicorns require a certain kind and strength of magic to become so, then Equestria has never seen an alicorn birth for the very reason that the right *natural* magic did not exist in Equestria before. Whether Celestia and Luna were born alicorns or were created as they did to Twilight and Cadence, it happened beyond Equestria. Flurry Heart was likely born so from a combination of the extra magic her mother commands, and the unique natural magic and magical importance of the Crystal Empire.

[@19WolfGirl74]

Not to debunk any theories but if you remember correctly in the Crystaling the princesses also state that they aren't sure how flurry heart was a born alicorn, not just because it hadn't been seen in Equestria but they themselves hadn't seen it. And if you think about it when dignitaries and royalty from other lands have visited Equestria there haven't been any alicorns. It's appearing safe to say that alicorns are purely an Equestria thing and can only happen when a UNICORN proves themselves worthy of becoming a princess. It's also safe to say that Luna, Celestia and cadence were all born unicorns, most likely in the royal family. Also I'd like to bring up the fact that Celestia and Luna are cadences aunts and yet we had no knowledge of them having had another sibling. There also isn't another alicorn princess related to them. So isn't it safe to say that the two sisters had a unicorn brother that sired cadence? If the princesses are more than a thousand years old and they look so young then isn't it possible that cadence is also much older than we thought she was and her father and mother have long since passed away? We've never seen them before, nor have they ever been mentioned. It is possible

[@jordankelly2910]

Sorry to debunk your theroy but cannon has stated that Cadence was an orphan and taken in by Celestia and that she is in no means related by blood to the two sisters and Cadence was originally a peagus.

[@powerflower3405]

I agree there was lots of alicorns at one point because how did Luna and Celestia become alicorns if they weren’t born alicorns

[@dikayevertear3509]

I want a T-shirt. ^^ Great Episode.

[@MTBAWM]

I love this video and channel, but I'm gonna say this now. This is how the video is. The Beginning: HEY GUYS!!! After intro: *quietly* So this is what we'll be going over today (just a random example) I hope this doesn't sound like hate, but this is a piece of constructed criticism. The video is so amazing, and I don't see many videos with an even better quality than what you make, but dude. That volume.

[@clairegrime3986]

They get their wings or horns as if it was a cutie mark! That's why natural alicorns are not born with wings and a horn but have to earn them!! They get the power of a alicorn like a cute mark on a pony

[@irisravenhild9060]

Regarding the flag, they only use their modern flag as a symbol, in other words, they have left lost the original flag and therefore use the newly-available flag. Remember that for about 1000 years they have only had Princess Celesstia in the flag, but the new one has both sisters, clear evidence that they only use today's flag.

[@onefellow8635]

You missed something. Clover the Clever was the student of Starswirled. Luna and Celestia knew Starswirled. Therefore, they were around before Equestria was founded. Makes sense that they existed, but weren't involved in the affairs of the three tribes.

[@darkchocolatemuffins9727]

Hey. Maybe what its mean't by "Equestria has never seen the birth of an alicorn" maybe means that after the founding and naming the place EQUESTRIA thats the first time an alicorn has been born and Luna and Celestia might have been born there but the place never had a name. But when I think about it Cadance and Twilight were reBIRTHED into alicorns.

[@annabellamack8891]

No because star swirl planted the tree when he left, therefore because Luna and Celestia were taught by star swirl the tree was made after them.

[@BadAppleMeltdown]

Actually, it would be four dimensional, since the Tree of Harmony seems to have a perception that transcends time and space.

[@kingfirestorm4047]

This was a great theory but sad to say that the tree was create by starwirs and the first 5 elements of harmony like we see in seasone 7 finale

[@NightWolf-so8hh]

if celestia said that there couldnt be such thing an alicorn being born maybe this could be trouble for her

[@harigautam7502]

you see when cosmos was defeated he erases their memories so because they were young they don’t remember seeing baby alcorns

[@RiseLegend13]

YES! I CALLED IT! My book that I'm currently working on has to do with the tree of Harmony and the alicorns with the tree one being a unicorn. She is a alicorn but she doesn't keep her wings on her for long. I even have a another character that knows the tree of Harmony which is also similar to Discord, but the difference of Discord, he let things be destructive but he also wants to see if things can be unfolded to be fixed.

[@othellow]

One quick thing the tree of Harmony grew out of a seed that Star Swirl the Bearded, Mage Meadowbrook, Somnambula, Rockhoof, Flash Magnus and Mistmane (the legendary six) planted before they went into the void. Star Swirl the Bearded had been teaching Princess Celestia and Luna for a few years before this happened. So that I could have been the tree of Harmony yet. And the wendigo which tried to freeze up all the ponies for arguing which then became hearths warming happened before the legendary six.

[@DavidJoh]

It would be no more true that Celestia and Luna have no free will if they were created by the Tree of Life than it would be true that Twilight Sparkle has no free will because she was steered into becoming an alicorn by Celestia's machinations. Her machinations only go so far. When Twilight went nuts and set off he Want It, Need It spell...that was no part of Celestia's intention and it seems unlikely that Luna coming down with a case of envy toward her more powerful and respected sibling was anything the Tree of Harmony wanted to happen. Celestia and the Tree may make their plans, but that doesn't mean lesser ponies can't go against their plans...or sideways to them. That being said Celestia is probably low on autonomy given that she makes policy decisions based on "prophetic" dreams that are probable treemail.

[@gamermwm6001]

Maybe Luna and her sister became ones when they deemed themselves worthy and it was like a thing among Alicorns if there was a tribe of them or sum. So Mayne twilight is a descendent of a member from a tribe and was than deemed worthy

[@alphawolf3300]

my idea is; let us say the line that Celestia said again "The birth of an alicorn is something EQUESTRIA has never seen"; it is EQUESTRIA and in a different episode a heart's warming well I forgot so nvm in Equestria's history Luna and Celestia weren't there which means ( well I guess it means) they didn't come from Equestria's supposedly other alicorns died in battle with some bad guys ( there is many bad guys in mlp) and only Luna and Celestia were left then they found out Equestria needed help they went there. OK that is my idea

[@ratherparvaiz8474]

I think celestia and luna are natural alicorns because their wings naturally appeared whenever they raised the sun or moon while as twilight and cadence are artificia alicors because they were given wings/horn by celestia Its just my opinion 😊😊😊

[@scarletred2881]

That also explains the flowing hair (For the tree made )

[@geoserenity]

erm...thousands of years of knowledge? wasn't luna actually nightmare moon for most of her and celestia's life?

[@Draconicus702]

in all honesty it's not to sad to me simply cause you could say every pony in the show is nothing more then a puppet to the tree's plan of harmony

[@lisasmith1188]

I always thought the flag used in the play was the same as during mlp, it's just that they don't know what the flag used to be like,so they used the current one

[@helpinghand6899]

If you remember. The tree of harmony has 2 empty slots where the moon and sun are. So that would probably be the gift from the tree to Celestia and Luna to become alacorns. As for the rest of the alicorns...have you seen the very first MLP with the goat that controls lightning? His power is also to turn ponies to stone since he didnt like them for some reason. Perhaps he turned all the alicorns to stone and took them to his kingdom.

[@Elisabeth-tq3jr]

Perhaps Celestia and Luna were somehow born from the sun and the moon, with the help of the Tree somehow. That would explain why they are princesses and not queens; the sun and the moon are the true rulers of the world.

[@TheJohnLytleShow]

My theory Have there were two groups of alicorns before Celestia and Luna. One was their parents who died. The other were the ones who planted the element trees. It is apart of my Equestria history and I need to tweek it abit now that there is new info given by the show but the alicorn history is holding up for now.

[@elliehoff101]

I still believe that they were made into alicorns by starswirl and i also like your theory about how when times got bad the tree made a alicorn and visa versa because that theory could be proven on how luna was sent to the moon and how flurry heart stopped the winter.

[@hailypegasister816]

I still think Celestia is Twilight's biological mother and hasn't yet revealed this to her daughter, Twilight, yet b/c she feels that it simply isn't the right time to.