10 Fake Tapouts In MMA History

[@AndrewJW]

WOW AN ATHLETIC COMMISSION ACTUALLY OVERTURNED A DECISION!? that could be its own list - TOP 10 Times an athletic commission ACTUALLY did something

[@majortom331]

I really want this list now

[@Aellis4]

There’s not 10 selections for that list to happen

[@thestrikingace4589]

Not enough content, considering the Calgary Commission defended their pathetic incompetence that killed Tim Hague, the Werdum Ferreiera decision was a one in a 9999999 trillion chance

[@margauxf4321]

Well... top 10 times they fucked up and SHOULD have overturned something.

[@dontblink8397]

Make it a top 5 there aren’t enough instances😂

[@swifty123]

“When these guys give up, they tap. When I give up, I don’t fucking move” - Who The Fook Guy

[@zevalastlegion4228]

you sir are a treasure! i'm stealing this for my twitter but i'll credit you

[@davidarballo700]

Lil heathen 🥊 🔥

[@WILD__THINGS]

Overturning a decision to a no contest isn't enough when you end up taking some devastating shots after a clear tap that could end up having a lasting affect on your career and even your life.

[@codym.5792]

exactly when you consider every factor of the fight, it is by far one of the worst transgressions. The facts of the matter are A.) The damage taken in the subsequent rounds, especially the last few seconds!! Like @WILD THINGS said. B.) His age, he's most certainly getting up there. 3.) He may need the $ more than his opponents for retirement. If he's smart. I can't honestly say I would retire if I won, you HAVE to go for back to back! It's an unspoken rule of any truly competitive people out there. Unless the situation is so severe the bad far outweighs the good.

[@FemboiMars]

So what do you suggest? They sue for getting hurt in an MMA fight???

[@WILD__THINGS]

@@FemboiMars No, a death match

[@shrimp19921]

The Kevin Lee thing was pretty clearly him going unconscious and having amnesia when he came back. It’s well known that you lose time when you go to sleep

[@Sevvi79]

Yea, a couple of times in sparring and I've been slow to tap. You have no idea where you are or what happened for a couple of minutes/seconds.

[@margauxf4321]

That's where the evidence started building for the brain damage done by submissions. Retrograde Amnesia is often seen in instances of acute traumatic head injury, like motorcycle crashes, soldier's TBI, etc. Now we know that depriving the brain of blood/oxygen, as well as the filtration of waste, is just as damaging as blows to the head... particularly when it occurs somewhat frequently.

[@joaofreitas2899]

@@margauxf4321 really? Had no idea. I mean, it makes sense since you're depriving the brain of oxygen and blood, but damn...

[@tinyky2598]

Well then he doubled down and said he didn't tap even after the fight lol

[@justincombs7440]

The ones where the Fighter taps & they stop & then the guy who taps goes on to Knock the other one out pisses me off. Those should be overturned. No wonder certain fighters refuse to release until ref steps in. The ones who are good sportsman who stop once they feel a tap get screwed

[@nicholasdonin1465]

you never stop till the ref steps in, in any sport.

[@Nick_Tank]

@@nicholasdonin1465 facts, but it’s going back to good sportsmanship. Most fighters don’t got that and tbh times like now show the good sports to bad ones

[@nakachinjah7240]

i can't find out , who it is exactly, but she's a girl with red trousers, she tap but she said , i search for my other hand, it happened not too long ago, can anyone remember that. she was in guillotine or something i dunno, she taps on her lowerback side more like butt on her opponent, but she just said in post interview that, she search for other hand....

[@LyonLars]

With leg locks and ankle locks you don't have time to wait for the ref to step in. Split seconds shred your meniscus. First thing you learn in bjj. Competitive or not. You feel a tap you release. Most these guys and gals don't want to take fighters out of work for months or longer with surgery and rehab. So it's good to have the sportsman who release. Fighters who fake tap should get purse fine or 60 day suspension or something

[@dcDOC19]

"I clearly felt the tap" -A. Overeem

[@nakachinjah7240]

i can't find out , who it is exactly, but she's a girl with red trousers, she tap but she said , i search for my other hand, it happened not too long ago, can anyone remember that. she was in guillotine or something i dunno, she taps on her lowerback side more like butt on her opponent, but she just said in post interview that, she search for other hand....

[@thehighcommunity247]

💯

[@thejawaiian9897]

@@nakachinjah7240 I remember that too I forgot who it was

[@stephengrigg5988]

Lol, you didn't know how to spell his first name, did you?

[@dcDOC19]

@@stephengrigg5988 Lol, not at all. I always google before I post names out of respect. I just figured fans of MMA would get it.

[@AndrewJW]

IMO one tap isn't tapping, it's still wack though, but if you're a fighter, you wait until the ref stops it before you let go, and if you aren't tapping out, don't tap once, or at all, and if you do, you have no room to complain if the fight gets stopped.

[@rtlovcdd]

this^

[@cryptoknot]

How about honor

[@sSamuraigrila20]

someone send him the link to fedor tapping with one tap

[@Snargle]

@@sSamuraigrila20 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6bHfKqcn556i8U

[@nj6484]

It happened to me personally! My brain is so conditioned to let go if I feel a tap... But in my case my opponent was an honourable man!

[@rrkmac635]

Love hearing bisping scream Pack it in like a typical british Dad🤣

[@margauxf4321]

He had on the New Balances that day with the white socks pulled up, and a date with the BBQ later 😎

[@Night-Jester]

Yeah that whole Jiri tapping thing super confused me. I thought he was just doing light palm strikes to stay busy or make Glover uncomfortable or something.

[@Nick_Tank]

Yeah big facts, I got confused and thought “did he tap” lmaoo now we all know fighters will fake tap to decoy their opponent to loosen up

[@TheJugsMyster]

@@Nick_Tank this is true, but in Juri's case I remember him never being in a submission or hold of any kind. That's not too say he wasn't pressured in those moments but he certainly didn't look like he was giving up cause he would follow most of those up with some action of substance ie. escaping the mount, transitioning the mount, ground and pound etc. Maybe someone can correct me with legit examples if I am wrong

[@nakachinjah7240]

i can't find out , who it is exactly, but she's a girl with red trousers, she tap but she said , i search for my other hand, it happened not too long ago, can anyone remember that. she was in guillotine or something i dunno, she taps on her lowerback side more like butt on her opponent, but she just said in post interview that, she search for other hand....

[@Dave-zh2ow]

He tapped him to say to glover good job but yes its a bit weird since the ref could take it as a legit tap

[@emailmailson6089]

Just assume 99% of fighters are autistic.

[@MrBellsa61]

Pretty sure Jiri said during the post fight interview that he hurt his left hand at some point. Idk if it was before or after the "tap", but if his hand was hurt at that point, it *could* explain him preferring to slap instead of punch.

[@AlphaQHard]

Thats kinda dumb

[@publiusventidiusbassus1232]

Goddard said that Jiri was complimenting Glover when he did those love-taps. Good thing the ref could hear them, but Jiri really needs to stop doing those little stunts.

[@Jay-nz1rz]

He hurt his hand from all the tap he was doing haha

[@Jay-nz1rz]

@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 Goddard had his job on the line. It was a title fight after all. It would be cool if someone asked Glover if he felt it.

[@TheMuffinManIsHappy]

@Jay lmfao a refs job is never on the line. Athletic commissions will continue to use the same guys until the inevitable day comes when a ref gets someone killed. And even then, they might just blame the sport.

[@iloveya7828]

Chael vs Anderson! I don't even have to watch the rest of the video to know that's number 1 ♥

[@deionfrancis6715]

Anyone want to break the news?

[@strannielson5342]

@@deionfrancis6715 you must be new

[@ElJefe-47]

What about the other 8 times he quit ? 😂

[@MayfWasHere]

@@deionfrancis6715 I mean I'll break the news Chael has never tapped, those were merely multiple light finger strikes He is undefeated and never lost a single round in his life, absolute GOAT

[@nakachinjah7240]

i can't find out , who it is exactly, but she's a girl with red trousers, she tap but she said , i search for my other hand, it happened not too long ago, can anyone remember that. she was in guillotine or something i dunno, she taps on her lowerback side more like butt on her opponent, but she just said in post interview that, she search for other hand....

[@TriedBy12]

Bustamante (#4 on this list) coached Rousimar Palhares (the guy whos notorious for holding submissions too long). Some theorize that he is the reason why Palhares goes way overboard on his submission holds.

[@benhaney9629]

I mean yeah. Makes sense. Someone did that to me in a big fight with all that’s is on the line... Yeah I might snap their arm the next time. Play dangerous games...

[@averageeli7172]

@@benhaney9629 I'm almost certain that Rousimar himself was a victim of a fake tap and right after that the referees had to use crowbars to save whoever fell in one of their submissions

[@superwhiteboy619]

I remember Joe Rogan talked about palhares, and mentioned he grew up on a farm in Brazil and family was so poor he would have to eat pig slop and that scar on his chest. Supposedly he got that when he was younger and got hurt so he had to basically glue it shut himself. So in his mind every fight could be life or death. Doesn't excuse him holding submissions for too long. However, it can explain his mindset. Also apparently his nickname translates to "tree stump" which would imply he's dumb

[@RemyKingKen]

@@benhaney9629 after the fight you should’ve told him that he taps. A large part of combat sports especially grappling sports is integrity, he’s a whole loser and if that’s how he plans on getting “wins” he probably didn’t go far.

[@emanuelmartinez7267]

@@superwhiteboy619 actually his nickname comes from the fact that he's short but with a wide muscular body resembling a tree stump

[@hardnewstakenharder]

Conor did the single tap against Khabib in the fourth round to see if Khabib or Dean would stop the fight, after which he could claim controvery ("I didn't actually tap!"). Luckily, Dean made sure that Conor tapped indefinitely.

[@davidgambirazio5491]

Khabib also forced dean to positively rip his grip off of Conor’s face

[@kylepa5799]

Indefinitely? You mean definitely right?

[@Trepanation21]

Luckily Poirier made sure dere watnt no funny business wit Conor

[@abeeftec]

I wouldn't play that game with Dean because you don't know if you're the one he bet on or not and he could let you take like 80 unanswered strikes to the nose before he stops the fight

[@JulioFromBoston]

​@@kylepa5799 you're both confused. Indefinitely is not the opposite of definitely, and the correct word here is "definitively".

[@paradoxx9382]

Amazing how Chael-Silva's drug test NEVER gets brought up

[@paulbadman8509]

That's why you only release submission only when ref said so.

[@MuhGlassRibs]

same with follow up shots until the ref stops the fight

[@HysjMysj]

Chael basically played himself for 3 minutes in Here Comes The Boom. Protesting right after tapping out

[@nicholasdonin1465]

elite level self aware comedy

[@michaelgahan8760]

That clip of young Bisping yelling had me rolling, when he goes full british anger its another level.

[@SteefPip]

Honorable mention to the Royce Gracie v Frank Shamrock fight in UFC 1. Frank had top position but that didn't matter to Royce who had Frank dead to rights. Frank clearly tapped out, Royce let him go, then Frank started in again. The ref did stop the fight and Frank quickly came to his senses and accepted his loss, though not with a fair amount of complaining about his shoes. Royce pretty much had to be pulled off his opponents by the ref before he let anything go from that point on.

[@whackedoutcookie4393]

Tony Ferguson the type of guy to tap on his opponents behalf.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Chael Sonnen has the BEST Fake Tap in history. It was so good it even fooled the Bruce Buffer into thinking he'd lost to Anderson Silva. Once the Ref raised Anderson's Hand, he realized it was too late to clarify that it wasn't a real tap.

[@youngclueless7364]

Everybody knows Uncle Chael was actually hitting Anderson with thigh slaps, there's no way the undefeated GOAT would ever tap lol

[@Rome6601]

lol....

[@terryd.3365]

Thank you, gentlemen! Great work, as always.

[@WaysidePalmistry]

I Genuinely look forward to these videos like I do for new episodes of my favorite show. These guys are truly passionate about MMA . Which is why this channel is what it is. We appreciate all the hard work that goes into these videos. Thank you for the years of content, nights of entertainment, and all the cool facts we've learned because of them. 🙏

[@jmorbid7319]

The semmy and barnett fight is a true ufc classic.best days of the ufc by far,juiced up and able to stomp/soccer kick.

[@briscoesjug1026]

Yeah we checked undefeated undisputed on Chael's list the one and only . And he thought it ended the round you know this

[@WaysidePalmistry]

So thankful for this channel 🙏

[@sammartel3591]

Been waiting for this video for years 💫

[@nickshoup5864]

Oh but we will never forget,”I clearly felt the tap.”

[@InfectedoOG]

Kevin Lee's one was pretty obviously a case of him getting light headed post-choke. Been there a few times myself hehe

[@JulesBrunoJjBaggy]

Ronda told a ref her opponent tapped when she hadn't and the fight was stopped. Rousey submission win.

[@alugificator]

Yeah, but the opponent cried out in pain, which refs accept as a verbal submission.

[@Jay-nz1rz]

@@alugificator that would only makes sense if both of her arms were incapacitated. Were they?

[@alugificator]

@@Jay-nz1rz What are you being snarky for? It's literally a rule. "ii. Verbal tap out: When a contestant verbally announces to the referee that he or she does not wish to continue or makes audible sounds such as screams indicating pain or discomfort"

[@Jay-nz1rz]

@@alugificator did it come across as being snarky? My bad. Just trying to understand how a rule came to be. Edit: actually you are the one being snarky for no reason whatsoever.

[@alugificator]

@@Jay-nz1rz Sorry, sometimes questioning like that comes across as passive-aggressive. Here is the fight, you can see for yourself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIS1dJ6iqbqKsKs On review, seeing that the ref was Steve Mazzagatti, I'm not longer convinced it was a valid submission.

[@drummingtildeath]

Enjoying you content, thanks!

[@SOSNH1995]

This list probably made me angrier than any list I've seen on this channel before lol

[@HerculesLoyd]

The Seth Baczynski one looked like he had cleared his elbow from the arm bar before he supposedly tapped

[@justinburgan4184]

That's what I thought. Why was he even "tapping" when he was out of the arm bar?

[@christophergenther3517]

Werdum's TKO loss should have been overturned to a Submission win, not a no contest

[@aaronthegold]

I disagree. Werdum is a veteran of the sport, he knows not to release until the ref stops the fight. What's more, it doesn't actually appear that Werdum did ease up on the choke at all. The tap didn't influence the fight in anyway.

[@justinburgan4184]

@@aaronthegold yeah that one I'm good with. Didn't look like the Werdum let up at all and ref didn't see the taps. The previous one was way different. It was obvious to everyone.

[@trope5105]

should have done an honorable mention of gaethje tapping to khabib, twice, for like 10 full seconds, WITH herzog lookin straight at him an letting him go to sleep like a warrior lol

[@margauxf4321]

That wasn't a fake tap, though?

[@trope5105]

@@margauxf4321 its the opposite of a fake tap, that's why I said honorable mention

[@carphucker2973]

Why would it be an honorable mention if its literally opposing the criteria?

[@trope5105]

@@carphucker2973 its called comedy

[@dongyongkim]

the entirely of Josh Koschecks career

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Jiri played with fire with that congratulatory tap. Good thing it was Marc. If Glover had stopped his pressure for even a second as a result of feeling the tapping and the ref noticed, I think I would be fine with Glover retaining. Doesn't mean I would like it

[@MUNCHEEZ15]

You guys are smart for making this video after ufc 275

[@078_dhruvmukherjee7]

No Stipe vs Overeem?

[@hulkman245]

It might seem like a bit of a dick move, but always keep pulling on that sub until the ref breaks you up

[@AboutMMA_]

Everytime Chael 'tapped' out of mercy to his opponents muscles

[@reaper_mma_1552]

@mmaonpoint I would totally give an honorable mention to mention to Ricky Wallace vs Andre Fili at Tachi Palace Fights on September 7, 2012. Ricky was a warrior and took a beating before get caught in an armbar. Bloodied and completely destroyed, Ricky tries to put his arm back in between Andre's legs acting like he didn't tap as the ref was breaking them up after stopping the fight. A replay revealed what was already a very obvious tap. Props to Ricky though, he had hell inflicted on him and never went out and I completely believe he would have went back to that same position and probably get submitted again if he got away with that tap, but he was willing to die in there that night.

[@taterbeard]

In stark contrast to this list is Justin Gaethje with the fake pass out.

[@bizzybee3021]

"I clearly felt a tap"

[@nicorepetto5781]

The lesson is just don’t let go until the ref stops it. Protect yourself at all times

[@teoyamahar1639]

3:14 this was hilarious Lmaoo no you can’t fight no more 🤣

[@AboutMMA_]

Every time Chael 'Tapped' out of mercy for his opponents muscles

[@Satanichispanic1985]

How about most embarrassing losses for the greatest champions (before their greatness, obviously post prime losses are understandable)… Like cyborg and others losing their debut, Anderson Silva dq loss, Chuck going to pride, etc

[@dannyknightblade4592]

That sounds like a good idea for a video. I'd like to know how Anderson Silva felt about his early losses before he entered into the UFC.

[@madgavin7568]

They've kind of already done that with baffling losses for legendary fighters. Examples being Anderson Silva losing to Daiju Takase, Amanda Nunes losing to Alexis Davis, GSP losing to Matt Serra, Stipe Miocic losing to Stefan Struve and Matt Hughes losing to Dennis Hallman twice.

[@michaelhood2109]

When he said the title of the video I laughed so hard lol

[@Mutex50]

There was also amir sadollah vs cb dollaway. It looked like cb was trying to fake tap, but ref caught it.

[@Gojifan01]

You guys actually made this video after joking about it on the stream 🤣

[@tomazrodrigues7006]

Bayliun is like the Scrappy Doo of MMA

[@benjaminjonas9701]

Tito definitely tapped

[@judokarl2757]

Pride rules: Submission "A fighter taps either his opponent or the mat three times." Seems like Pride solves a lot of mma problems.

[@loganstabb2278]

I was thinking so hard about that jiri “tap” I had no idea what I was watching me and my dad were yelling at the tv

[@hayatiiiii]

We should establish rules that clarify what a tap actually is to avoid any confusion

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

That wasn't a Scream from Chael, it was a War Cry! He was just trying to talk to Filho in his native language.

[@RomaroBrandon]

Single taps shouldn't be the end of a fight, it should be three or more within a few seconds (one to three) like in pro wrestling because it's easy to say they didn't mean to give up by tapping once, and while they might give up tapping twice it's a rare thing and can be missed by the referee (Brock Lesnar submitting Undertaker at SummerSlam 2015). Seriously though a lot of fighters won't release the hold unless the referee tells them to an I think it's better to do that after three or more tapes because it's usually a rapid thing and not that hard to miss.

[@benjones1717]

Diego was looking like a scary dude, until he imploded.

[@mr.mcfeely7970]

They've done it! They're finally in their new office!🎉🎉

[@RatedP4P]

Great video

[@vincentkc48]

1:16 excuse me lmao

[@Darkdirewulf]

*Stockton slap* : "OH HE TAPPED!"

[@lucasazevedo9974]

7:15 the perfect balance between line delivery and image. 😂

[@anthonyhill3194]

i knew that jiri tapping would spur another mmaonpoint video

[@Jameslfgsmith]

“Show up make weight, tap like chicken, go home”-Khabib to Conman McGregor

[@the_feisty_gremlin2667]

The first round thing is a discussion in and of itself, I say Jiri tapped in the fifth round because as glover mounted and was dropping shots on Jiri, Jiri open handed tapped to strikes.

[@WPC799]

Those were clearly palm strikes, he was holding his fingers back.

[@Jay-nz1rz]

Didn't see that one. I saw him tapping on the first round. On Glover's side while he was being pounded.

[@the_feisty_gremlin2667]

@@WPC799 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5_dlmhvothlgqM 1.20

[@the_feisty_gremlin2667]

@@WPC799 video shows the moment so referred to those are the weakest limp wristed “palm strikes” I’ve ever seen.

[@LND209]

Chael was just tapping Silva on the leg. He was congratulating him on a good effort.

[@AboutMMA_]

God bless Chael for tapping just to save his opponents from muscle injury

[@tonynice5847]

Next time everybody’s going full blown Rousimar Palhares!!! Just to be safe lol

[@Jidds]

uncle chael fake tapped so well he tricked everyone into thinking he quit, but I’ll tell you who really did tap, Tito.

[@Lauren-nm8bp]

Are there any mma on point videos about translators? There’s a few regulars that I recognize but know nothing about. There’s also been some bad translators like the girl who couldn’t get it together to translate lol

[@covagotnextgaming]

Chael sonen came straight to mind when I saw the title of this video

[@-nyantic-son156]

Best intro

[@lambdalambdalambdaa]

The New Jersey State Athletic Commission should've gave Fabricio Werdum a Win instead of a No Contest. I would understand if the outcome was questionable like Lawler/Askren or if a ref declared a win by submission when the fighter never tapped but this is clear cut. Werdum had him in a triangle and the man tapped.

[@j05h909]

I feel like Uncle Chael is somehow involved in the making of this list

[@greenjebadiah]

After all these years Randy Couture tapped officially to Tito.

[@jagermeisterjager7794]

Everyone is trying to be slick besides Jiri, he’s just a crazy bastard congratulating his opponent

[@jcam320]

Glover "clearly felt the tap"

[@opticalecho119]

Fighters doing this is dangerous for everyone in the sport. If enough people do this, everyone else is just going to start holding onto submissions for longer to make sure the ref stops the fight. Fighters are going to basically ignore taps until the ref comes in and breaks it up if this keeps happening.

[@jameso2260]

The Chael/Filho instance had nothing to do with tapping. When Filho locked in the armbar, Chael screamed which counts as a verbal submission.

[@thehighcommunity247]

Sometimes, it is so obvious in fights. They clearly tap two to three times, then the ref taps the other fighter to let go. He lets go...and right away, the opponent starts striking. It's like...no...it's over bud. Lmfao

[@majortom331]

Wtf is the point of appealing to the commission if it gets rejected most of the time, especially for legitimate cases ?

[@madgavin7568]

That's why most fighters don't bother appealing the result, because they know little will come from it and I'm sure there's legal costs to go with it. But in all honesty they should continue to appeal results to expose how often commissions are lazy and incompetent.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

The famous “Brazilian tap”

[@AlphaQHard]

Thats why you dont stop unless the ref pulls you off

[@guitaristut]

Bro .. Tito tapped!

[@IncredibleMD]

If you have to zoom in and use slo-mo, it probably wasn't significant enough to constitute a tap.

[@Slop_Dogg]

Jiri didn’t tap. it wasn’t a fake tap. i knew jason was going to go for this. so annoying.

[@calebwhite8890]

I think the Seth Baczynski one is suspect considering you have to zoom in during slow motion to even kinda see anything.

[@darron614]

Yeah and by the point they're saying he taps, he's basically totally out of the armbar.

[@alugificator]

But the reason why it works is that it's hard to see. If it was obvious the ref would see it and stop the fight.

[@ysph]

what is the purpose of tommy toe hold's little monitor line in that advertisement? so odd.

[@trustyourgut1365]

I think a fake tap should be an instant forfeiture, not no contest, cheating should be punished swiftly and accordingly👍🏻

[@carphucker2973]

Lol. No

[@sebastianmyers7672]

The chael one was the right call, it’s called a verbal tap (the Paulo one)

[@DUxMORTEM]

I thought jiri was doing something like Randy Couture vs tito where he was spanking him.

[@DieNextInLINE]

There really needs to be a set number of times to register as a tap or some way to distinguish them. Like, in number ten the referee let Semmy(?) "tap" once and didn't register it as a tap out while Chael "tapped" Anderson's leg once and the referee was all over them stopping the fight. He even got docked by that "verbal tap out". Despite my obvious bias because of my love for "The Undisputed and Undefeated" but the sheer fact that situations can arise where a tap out is called into question is ridiculous. It's up there with round scoring as an issue in the UFC and MMA in general. Judge scorecards should be open and a tap should be a universally recognized gesture that is easy to perform and impossible to mistake.

[@jazzabighits4473]

A few of them of them look like a slip where the person was sweaty and their hand slipped off while they were trying to distance/grip their opponent. some are obviously fake taps though lol

[@carloscrecelius9597]

That's one way to get out of a submission, I guess.

[@Wickedtingzz]

I thought I was seeing stuff … while I was watching live I could’ve sworn I saw him tap , but I was confused to as why …

[@a123b123c123d123c123]

If the ref doesn't stop the fight it doesn't count.

[@adriankalitka3762]

TITO TAPPED!!!!!

[@sorenkazaren4659]

As an admittedly non-fighting expert it is really hard for me to tell what is a tap and what is someone searching for the face/head of the person who has them in a chokehold, so they can drop some attacks on them. *shrugs*