Timestamps: Section One | Introduction 0:01 Section Two | In "The New Prophecy" 4:50 Section Three | In "Leafpool's Wish" 14:31 Section Four | In "Power of Three" 16:38 Section Five | In "Omen of the Stars" 18:14 Section Six | In "Bramblestar's Storm" 24:18 Section Seven | In "A Vision of Shadows" 31:49 Section Eight | In "Squirrelflight's Hope" 32:34 Section Nine | Conclusion 1:00:38
@xxratsrcutexx34944 жыл бұрын
Thank
@rp-ov6br4 жыл бұрын
Thank
@yourpersonaljuicebox9774 жыл бұрын
Thank
@SunFeathers4 жыл бұрын
Thx so much you deserve the pin
@tamsinwalsh87964 жыл бұрын
Ocelot 26:13 and 1:04:17
@virginasol30314 жыл бұрын
*I’s so weird seeing Ashfur without blond hair*
@sillygoose70764 жыл бұрын
WHERE ARE HIS LUCIOUS LOCKS-
@eater_of_grass_beater_of_ass4 жыл бұрын
It's a stunt double
@dawnflame96424 жыл бұрын
He’s a bald boi
@kaleaandsunny78194 жыл бұрын
We now see blonde haired Ashfur as canon XD
@-zawolf-83254 жыл бұрын
@@kaleaandsunny7819 yeah XD
@rowanfeather28044 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure the erins just wanted Tigerstars son and firestars daughter to get together, honestly.
@Cloud_peepon4 жыл бұрын
They wanted a different type of forbidden love, between good and evil this time. 😂
@rickmanalwayss4 жыл бұрын
Like Kovu and Kiara, except that relationship was more healthy
@GarbageCannot4 жыл бұрын
@UwU rawr Interesting am I right Mothpool would’ve been so much better if they wanted to do Firestar’s kid x Tigerstar’s kid! They actually have a healthy relationship with realistically developed chemistry.
@cursedalien4 жыл бұрын
So..... indirect FireTiger.
@Servadae4 жыл бұрын
i know, like tawnypelt is RIGHT there
@StarrChild.4 жыл бұрын
Never noticed this before but Squirrelflight being so desperate for kits could possibly be linked to how she was told she would be barren? She worries about getting older and not being able to have kits, which was a lie she had been forced to accept as truth for years. She fears going back to that, or that lie becoming true with age.
@susiepilled4 жыл бұрын
woah "woah" got me 66 likes what
@C_at_J4 жыл бұрын
I also found it to be her trying to fix their relationship. When couples are fighting and they don't know how or can't talk it out, they can try to get pregnant to try and fix the problem, even though it often ends in a larger divide than the original one.
@xRaiofSunshine4 жыл бұрын
@@susiepilled YES! Their own cat gods LIED TO HER just so they could get what they want! But somehow she’s just as bad as Bramblebutt or Finleap? 😒
@susiepilled4 жыл бұрын
@@xRaiofSunshine >:(
@Cephaloporridge4 жыл бұрын
another thing: in leafpool's wish, yellowfang tells her shes never going to be able to have kits (which was a lie but she didn't know that at the time making her lean more towards actually adopting the three) so that's a pretty big factor
@natalieeuley17343 жыл бұрын
Squirrelflight is the poster child for domestic abuse. As a kit and apprentice, she was energetic, adventurous, bold, enthusiastic, and independent. By the end of Squirrelflight's Hope, she is none of those things. It's like Bramblestar sucked the life out of her
@amberhawksong3 жыл бұрын
Well said
@eve76383 жыл бұрын
Sad...
@turtlespeedrunner3 жыл бұрын
Poor Squirrelflight :(
@Lilybelle-vr3ho3 жыл бұрын
Why did Erin Hunter Team have to ruin all potential Bramblestar had? They made it sound like he would be a good cat and then he wasn't! I don't like it! >n
@leona0673 жыл бұрын
@@Lilybelle-vr3ho One of the authors even mentioned how Bramblestar was one of their favorite characters
@thesnailphilosopher4 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar to Jessy: I’ll never forget you Jessy: *is never mentioned again*
@Clooover4 жыл бұрын
Also Squilf and Shrewpaw were best friends but like- she never even thought of him after he died-?
@Weirdanimalboy4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that Jessy was supposed to be a romantic interest for Bramblestar so at the end of the book I was like "Where is this coming from...?"
@Lost_Catguy2 ай бұрын
thanks for ruining my favorite character i guess.. i thought he seemed pretty good and i thought that the fighting was for drama and so people would be intrested in reading it
@PlumFace_Wcue2 ай бұрын
@@Lost_Catguythat’s a little dramatic- but im not gonna be rude to you about it. also you could’ve just simply not watched the video, its titled “Bramblestar is Worse”, what did you think it was going to be?/notmad
@miawmiawmiawmiАй бұрын
@@Lost_Catguyok? 😭
@axe57454 жыл бұрын
I genuinely felt sick when she said "Why did I ever want kits?" after she came back.
@skyshale4 жыл бұрын
same, same
@SisterzRandomz3 күн бұрын
It’s so sad 😭 like it was so horrible and disgusting for brambleclaw to twist her wanting into something else
@blackcatmoon81184 жыл бұрын
me: oh maybe its another one of her shorts Moonkitti: ArE YoU SuRe AbOuT tHaT
@ryeish4 жыл бұрын
YEAH ITS ONE HOUR
@SquidsINCIsABadYouTuber4 жыл бұрын
Ocelot filler arc
@mossinvasion4 жыл бұрын
YES
@mcforgaming4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know this was a hour when I saw the vid
@roundestrow1et4 жыл бұрын
it's not a short, it's a long
@ghost-hn2lh3 жыл бұрын
one of the worst parts of bramblestar being abusive, in my opinion, is that they could have DONE something with him. they could have made him be a great character. and it would mean something because he was tigerstar’s son. i would have loved a book about bramblestar proving his worth, proving that he could be more than just the son of an evil cat, but he never really did
@JlMBO113 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar is horrible, but it's either that or bad writing. He has so much wasted potential
@ghost-hn2lh3 жыл бұрын
@@JlMBO11 i do agree that branblestar is horrible and i really wish they did something good with him
@Bilbz13 жыл бұрын
I mean................. Didn't the new prophecy do that?
@ribottostudio3 жыл бұрын
@@Bilbz1 tried and failed cause bramblepaw did stand up to his father in tpb
@Lilybelle-vr3ho3 жыл бұрын
I agree! TnT I loved the idea of his potential soo much but then they just made him so BAD! I cry
@muffinland86604 жыл бұрын
Jesus tapdancing Christ, did Starclan really put her on *trial* for doing the thing that they lied and manipulated and forced her into doing?
@leomajor41454 жыл бұрын
Wow I just realized that 😒
@alovelydeadfish4 жыл бұрын
Yeah :/
@sillygoosegio4 жыл бұрын
honestly im pretty sure that, on the darker side of things, starclan might actually be really corrupt? i play with the idea that it's actually some kind of cult that all the clans are tied into
@alixmalone194 жыл бұрын
I haaaaaaaate it. How are they going to lie and manipulate her into doing something and then try to punish her? I wish Squirrelflight had called them out on it.
@Theartisticyoshi4 жыл бұрын
@@sillygoosegio Honestly, I don’t even think Starclan being corrupt is an idea as much as it is fully canon. We have enough moments throughout the book series showing Starclan doing some very morally questionable things, especially the fact that cats only get sent to the Dark Forest if they defy Starclan or support the Dark Forest in life, not if you do anything actually atrocious (looking at you, Ashfur). What really concerns me is the fact that these clans have been following the same societal structure for so many generations with no addressing the flawed parts of their culture nor their code because “dead ancestors’ word is law, and if you disagree, prepare to be chastised”. The clans truly are a cult.
@phantomcat79904 жыл бұрын
How the actual hell did the Erins accidentally write about domestic abuse so realistically?
@goldieofthegold91694 жыл бұрын
No clue
@ohno58664 жыл бұрын
have been in one and thought it was normal?
@EndtimeIllusionist4 жыл бұрын
+oh no Well in that case, that's pretty concerning.
@phantomcat79904 жыл бұрын
@@ohno5866 that’s... worrying
@delubayca12903 жыл бұрын
@@ohno5866 oh no.
@nellbell25684 жыл бұрын
"Don't you love me anymore?" Of course squilf is worried about this - Bramblestar is dismissing her and not spending time with her. Something he's done repeatedly in the past as a manipulation tactic to show her he doesn't love or need her. He is constantly using ambivalence and mocking her and her wants and needs to show her he's in control and she's just a child he needs to humor, who doesn't know best. She's terrified, because she's gone through this before. She feels like he doesn't love her, but he's purposely made her feel that way. I can't blame her for reacting to previous repeated behaviors and recognizing the similarities here.
@lovelaced4 жыл бұрын
Okay, this is honestly a great comment, but s q u i l f
@reverseli4 жыл бұрын
s q u i l f
@Mika-cr9yc4 жыл бұрын
S q u i l f
@nellbell25684 жыл бұрын
Omg, guys, that wasn't even the point of the post
@fanofeverything89374 жыл бұрын
This makes so much sense
@amyd42273 жыл бұрын
Why did they make ashfur kittypet xenophobic,,,, when cloudtail,,,, a literal kittypet,,,,,, was raised along side him as his littermate????? That makes literally no sense wtf
@seineevee3 жыл бұрын
Honestly the Erins just wanted to make their golden child Bramblebitch look like a savior in comparison to Ashfur
@Skibidibrynnthebomb3 жыл бұрын
@@seineevee BRAMBLEBITCH LMAO, YES
@Weirdanimalboy3 жыл бұрын
@@seineevee The Erins: **write Ashfur to not like kittypets to show he is not a good guy** **write Brambleclaw as the hero even though he went to karate class in hell with Cat Hitler as his Sensei**
@nyxianee3 жыл бұрын
@@Weirdanimalboy OH MY GOD CAT HITLER AHAHAHA
@Bitchypoetsblog3 жыл бұрын
@@seineevee FACTS!!!!!!
@HarvestPeiskos22094 жыл бұрын
Moonkitti: ranting Ocelot: *Chirp*
@Darkmoon674 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@lesliewolfe76434 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@batkittii4 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@thebunnygamer98384 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@theotherghostgirl3374 жыл бұрын
Ocelot: I too must rant
@stellabonet-downie10024 жыл бұрын
This is a warning sign that Squirrelflight is in a bad relationship
@piffny66664 жыл бұрын
Were have I heard that before🤔🤔
@TipOfTheSauce4 жыл бұрын
was waiting for that one
@Eyrinthefae044 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment
@axelf99474 жыл бұрын
_Like father like son_
@ohoh84544 жыл бұрын
@@axelf9947 Damn I was about to say that
@AUGGHAHAHA4 жыл бұрын
“YA JUST LIKE YA FATHER” -leafpools angry ghost
@Zero_Is_Stopping_Time4 жыл бұрын
“YOU’LL NEVER BE SHIT” -Leafpool’s ghost
@zoe.b.85484 жыл бұрын
I can only hear this in a Scottish accent
@zoe.b.85484 жыл бұрын
YA EVEN MO ANNOYIN THAN HAWKFROST - Darkstripes ghost
@daobabyish3 жыл бұрын
“YA WORSE THAN ME” -BrokenStars Ghost
@Oakhaze3 жыл бұрын
“YA SUCK AT YA JOB MATE” -Firestar’s ghost
@acinomthecat3 жыл бұрын
When Bramblestar compares Squirrelflight to a kit or apprentice, this reminded me of an abuse tactic where the abuser treats their victim as a child so they can only depend on them and their judgement.
@alexanderthorne53663 жыл бұрын
Infantilizing
@Wren_BurnsHam Жыл бұрын
@@nicki8813*wat*
@nicknackpaddywacks4 жыл бұрын
Moonkitti exposed Bramblestar so hard she singlehandedly caused warrior cats to trend on tumblr, and I'm enjoying every second of it
@thistle_flowers50184 жыл бұрын
whaaaat the warriors fandom is on tumblr??? do you know of any good tags I can look through? Cant believe I never knew
@Katzunowo4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t read the newest books yet but holy shit it makes me so sad to have squirrelflight go through all that bs with ashfur only to have her end up with an abusive pos.
@Nk-ev9be4 жыл бұрын
I’m scared to read the new books seeing that I haven’t seen all this toxic bs from the past books. Then again, I was just a teen, so...
@radiotelevision23714 жыл бұрын
Omg katzun you read warriors?!
@ss-gp8yt4 жыл бұрын
Omg, Kat. :0
@RedIsACrepe4 жыл бұрын
👁️👄👁️💧🙏
@itzmerandom91434 жыл бұрын
Omg Katzun Ur videos!!!
@glossymoss55774 жыл бұрын
“Being annoying is never an excuse to treat someone badly” EXACTLY. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING FACTS. I’m so glad I’m not the only one that thinks Bramblestar is worse Edit: thank you guys for the likes and sharing your experiences, im so sorry that you guys have had tough times too ;; you guys deserve to be happy
@dr.fattyzaddy55904 жыл бұрын
yesh u r not the only one for I hate the way Bramble acts
@malaynacase4 жыл бұрын
@@dr.fattyzaddy5590 Same
@ohfluffyuwu8354 жыл бұрын
Always have ((After he becomes a warrior))
@elliotsweet20464 жыл бұрын
I agree!! It’s so annoying as I’m seen as annoying to most neurotypicals but it’s just because I’m autistic and they don’t understand it, and then I’m treated badly or bullied because they perceive me in an annoying or strange light It’s unbelievably frustrating to know people use annoyness as an excuse for abusive behaviour
@dr.fattyzaddy55904 жыл бұрын
@@elliotsweet2046 yesh i FULLY agree
@LunamFlore3 жыл бұрын
"I skipped the bit where she went on trial for her crimes in life. You're welcome." I got curious and looked it up and okay, no, nope, we gotta talk about that bullsh*t "The two wake up in StarClan's territory and are greeted by Larksong, who tells them that they aren't quite dead yet, but their lives are hanging in the balance. Firestar comes along and warns them that they may not be allowed to stay in StarClan due to their deception about Leafpool's kits all those years ago. A trial is held, with Bluestar, Yellowfang, Tallstar, Crookedstar, Moth Flight, and Littlecloud as the judges: Squirrelflight and Leafpool have to explain their reasoning behind breaking the warrior code. Ultimately they decide that Squirrelflight and Leafpool have done more good than harm, and that if they die now, they'll be welcome in StarClan." StarClan actually puts Squirrelflight and Leafpool on trial for something THEY played a part in? For real?!! StarClan was the one who told Leafpool to follow her heart when she asked for guidance on whether she should run away with Crowfeather. They were the ones who gently informed her that she was pregnant, only to LIE to Squirrelflight and tell her that she was barren so that she'd be more inclined to claim Leafpool's kits and they're feckin' PUT ON TRIAL FOR ALL THIS?? F*ck off, for real, I'm so pissed about this. ASHFUR GETS TO GO TO HEAVEN AFTER NEARLY MURDERING AN ENTIRE FAMILY BUT SQUIRRELFLIGHT AND LEAFPOOL'S TICKETS TO HEAVEN HAVE TO BE DEBATED. OKAY THEN. OKAY.
@almaszericebean14013 жыл бұрын
Leafpool deserved better
@RocketTheRat3 жыл бұрын
Starclan is full of hypocrites smh
@Felisidae3 жыл бұрын
StarClan doesn't deserve the amount of power they hold. They cause WAY more harm than good.
@LunamFlore3 жыл бұрын
@@Felisidae My heart wants an uprising against StarClan but my mind suspects that HarperCollins will never have the guts v_v
@Felisidae3 жыл бұрын
@@LunamFlore I want there to be a HUGE plot twist where starclan is actually being controlled by one cat to do all these horrible things. Cause some of the things they do make no sense, unless there was actually an evil cat behind it all.
@ThatOneKaiPerson4 жыл бұрын
Someone: Wait bramblestar was manipulative? Moonkitti: "gun loading sounds" Always has been.
@Owenbot30004 жыл бұрын
Signs of a moonkitti attack Sign 1 Moonkitti posts video about how bad you are Sign 2 The video is a hour long Sign 3 Moonkittis making valid points Sign 4 Hearing a gun load
@spacedoge43634 жыл бұрын
@@Owenbot3000 LOL
@frzen-rain64334 жыл бұрын
lol
@ChonkyCats3 жыл бұрын
She even had her actual cat in the background meowing his agreement of what she said
@CupRamenZ9 ай бұрын
@@ChonkyCats The fact that your name is ChonkyCats makes this comment even funnier 😂
@ribottostudio4 жыл бұрын
I full on believe that they're ONLY together because StarClan needed them to raise Leafpool's kits. And you can't change my mind.
@dropletdraws89074 жыл бұрын
True, and they also were the main male and female protagonists so they Haddddd to be together (I hate this but I’m pretty sure it’s one of the reasons)
@julesyano43374 жыл бұрын
@@dropletdraws8907 male and female protagonists that aren’t siblings? Ship ship ship!!!
@dropletdraws89074 жыл бұрын
@@julesyano4337 this is definitely one of the truest comments(and responses) on this whole post
@deltastar41474 жыл бұрын
I felt like they were going for the whole hero's daughter falls in love with villains sons thing
@dropletdraws89074 жыл бұрын
@@deltastar4147 true
@Greenkitten454 жыл бұрын
I know warriors isn't realistic, like, at all, *BUT* here's a fun fact: Unspayed females cats *never* experience menopause, as humans do, which means Squirrel could be an elder and still have kittens. In fact, the oldest cat on record (that I am currently aware of) was thirty years old when she had her final litter.
@tigerdiamond24864 жыл бұрын
Brightheart was like in the elders den then she got pregnant for the 2 time
@noytc4 жыл бұрын
@@tigerdiamond2486 No? Brightheart only recently moved to the elders den.
@tigerdiamond24864 жыл бұрын
@@noytc i know but she was old af then she had her second litter
@emma-rb4sp4 жыл бұрын
@@tigerdiamond2486 oh my god im so behind on warriors. brightheart had another litter????
@tigerdiamond24864 жыл бұрын
@@emma-rb4sp yeah ambermoon,dewnose and snowbush
@tinyalie13 жыл бұрын
Im really alarmed at the relationships in the warrior cats series, either the authors purposely wrote abusive relationships OR they genuinely think those relationships are normal
@violetskiy8543 жыл бұрын
BramblexSquirrilflight is one of the erin's favorite ship
@Romanticoutlaw3 жыл бұрын
stares at spottedleaf..........................................
@tinyalie13 жыл бұрын
@@Romanticoutlaw firepaw was too young for spottedleaf
@Romanticoutlaw3 жыл бұрын
@@tinyalie1 oh yes absolutely, I didn't mean that to hold her up as an example of a good relationship but I can see how it read like that. What I meant was me awkwardly looking at how horrible an example of a relationship she had in her solo arc. That whole situation was... yikes
@tinyalie13 жыл бұрын
@@Romanticoutlaw no im agreeing i cant believe they had that string of relationships, thistleclaw pedophile then spottedleaf does the same to firepaw but oh its ok because shes sweet, never mind that shes a dead medicine cat, THEN her ghost gets between firestar and sandstorm just YIIIIKKKESS THEY PORTRAYED IT AS ROMANTIC
@dotdedo4 жыл бұрын
As someone who was in a real toxic relationship, Squirrelflight is 100% justified in fighting back even if it sounds harsh. A big a indicator someone you love is in a toxic relationship is they have sudden 'anger issues' for lack of better term. We get so frustrated of having to just deal with it and our concerns not being taken seriously by our abuser that we lash out at either them or other people, something I did a lot back then and most abusers take this as an oppertunity to gaslight the victim in front of complete strangers. ie - the abuser might say something, or even film it saying "Look how she's yelling at me guys? She's totally crazy!" while they act calm and collected. This is also why a lot of victims struggle with denial and think they are the real toxic person instead.
@pupville10554 жыл бұрын
+Zack Victor - Brilliant point, dude. I'm in the same boat (except with my sole parental figure rather than a romantic one), and often said parent will use similar tactics presented in this video. My sister (unlike me, who 90% just sits there and takes it) would lash out. Of course, our parent used this as a means of justifying (well, *another* justification) for her treatment of us. People get sick of being treated cruelly and they hit a breaking point. Reacting angrily to mistreatment is an understandable thing. Also worth noting, once my sister moved out, her seemingly 'irrational' anger fell away almost immediately.
@justaperson83814 жыл бұрын
As someone who has been in a very manipulative and toxic relationship, the tactic that most abusers use is to make you feel weak and stupid.
@mmmm-lg2mj4 жыл бұрын
@Grace Selvanayagam you should tell someone you can trust about that
@BrightJuni4 жыл бұрын
@Grace Selvanayagam my dad did that to my mum, and when he divorced her he started doing it to me. Tell the school therapist before it hits you or hurts your mom too much
@sparkledust35784 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I hate when the victim's anger at their abuser is taken out of context and people paint THEM as the abusive one because their "yelling looks scary" or something
@Helicidae4 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar would probably find "I hate my wife" boomer comics funny
@Schnort4 жыл бұрын
@abiiurry ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ I feel like this audio sample applies _very_ well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnnGZqxvaMxrY5I
@robynsadlyisnttaken46924 жыл бұрын
@@Schnort why hello fellow mcyt fan if you aren't one then uh 😃 this is awkward
@BowHooHoo4 жыл бұрын
@@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 did I hear someone say...mcyt? 👀👀👀👀
@robynsadlyisnttaken46924 жыл бұрын
@@BowHooHoo maybe 👀👀
@tabbycat214 жыл бұрын
@@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 HELLO FELLOW S I M P
@ReficulQwertz4 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar is the worse: the documentary
@cinnamon41804 жыл бұрын
xD
@Freezinglion4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@cocothebean3784 жыл бұрын
Completely true 🤣
@mirrorducky67364 жыл бұрын
Pfft-
@flippylekitty4 жыл бұрын
So true tho
@SheetGhostWithBones3 жыл бұрын
Something that bothers me is that Squirrelflight kinda CAN'T leave Bramblestar. They're in the same Clan, they're always going to be around each other. She literally can't escape and I can't even begin to imagine how damn awful that must feel. And Squirrelflight isn't the type of cat to just runaway to a different Clan or vecome a kittypet, there is no escape for her.
@jittercritter3 жыл бұрын
Finally someone else says this! Even if she broke up or rejected him, she’s have to deal with his anger over that every single day, not to mention when they started being romantic he was her deputy, and now he’s her leader and she’s his deputy. He’s ALWAYS in a position of power above her. He also threatens to remove her from her position as deputy when she disagrees with him. Imagine what he’d do if she left him. Yikes
@SheetGhostWithBones3 жыл бұрын
@@jittercritter Honestly, that stuff makes my insides churn with anxiety for her.
@mypsquuylst2 жыл бұрын
She wanted to be with him. There is some points in the book that they show true mateship and happiness to each other. Like when they escaped the dark forest after being taken over by ashfur, everyone focuses on the bad points when they don’t know there is other stuff off book, if she hated or was scared of him she wouldn’t try to get back with him and miss him when they were broken up.
@vamppooni Жыл бұрын
@@mypsquuylst do you know how abusive relationships work?
@catloverd20 Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@TennelleFlowers4 жыл бұрын
OH MY STARCLAN!!! Moon, this was a f*cking MASTERPIECE! You broke all of this down so so well and when you really see it all laid out from beginning to end it really just puts everything into perspective. Also, wonderful job with all the art on this video. This video belongs in the Warrior Cats Hall of Fame...Just *chef kiss*
@Moonkitti4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tennelle ;_;
@WORMPRIEST4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear all the warrior cat tubers are banding together to hate on stinky Bramble boy
@SonTran-vb8xt4 жыл бұрын
@@WORMPRIEST *Yes*
@k1w11sh4 жыл бұрын
Yes its also good while doing something and listening to this
@Little_Rat14 жыл бұрын
I agree, you always do so well with these warriors discussion videos, you never cease to impress me and, in my opinion, you are 100% right! Have a nice day
@kassi-opeia4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else remember when Stormfur had a mini crush on her? ;-; I think she would have been better off with him, Ashfur AND Bramblestar are bad for her. Ashfur is too psychotic, but also wanted to hold her down back. Before the fire scene. He wanted to calm her, to tame her. Bramblestar is abusive and a massive d*ck to her. Stormfur and Brook is cute but like, I'd rather her and Stormfur be together or her be with no one at all. (Edit: Yes, there could be many other, better options for her but just saying out of all the cats that have shown romantic affection to her, Stormfur is the best.)
@snybies4 жыл бұрын
Finally.
@sandstormofthunderclan83214 жыл бұрын
Stormfur is the best choice for her
@iheartviviradio4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Stormfur is definitely the better choice
@Oakhaze4 жыл бұрын
Even tho I don’t ship them yeah I agree But the problem is that they are both from different clans
@iheartviviradio4 жыл бұрын
@@Oakhaze that is true. My only problem with Bramblestar and Squrrielflight is that she can't do anything to stop this abuse because it's gone on for so long. At this point the best thing for this to end if for Squilf to be like "ayo fuck bramblestar that betch was horrible and imma stay single or date a girl periodt"
@nellbell25684 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar's Storm: We need more kittens Squirrelflight's Hope: Will you ever shut up about kittens?
@somangiscute63704 жыл бұрын
xD I just realised that...
@TheDarthEme3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if his mindset changes after what happens Dandelionkit and Juniperkit, as he doesn’t want to have to experience the tragedy of losing any more kits?
@nellbell25683 жыл бұрын
@@TheDarthEme Oh, that hurt me. I eish it would have gone into more detail on the loss of their kits. It could have been some great character development for Bramblestar if he was afraid to have kits, not seemingly just being controlling.
@TheDarthEme3 жыл бұрын
@@nellbell2568 agreed. I really like Bramblestar and wish his character was written better, it’s sucks that they kind of made him a bit controlling and rude
@patchzefox3 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, thunderclan is big enough
@styx75033 жыл бұрын
The way people place blame on Squirrelflight because she stands her ground and doesn't back down when she knows what she's doing is right reminds me of the concept of the "perfect victim". The idea that, to be a "real" victim of abuse, you have to be completely perfect and innocent and never fight back. Otherwise, any bad behavior you show (no matter how justified) will be treated as justification for your abuse. This is how the fandom treats Squirrelflight. She's clearly in an abusive relationship, and both the cycle of abuse and her thought processes clearly show that. But because she argues with Bramblestar when he's being unfair instead of silently submitting, she's not the "perfect victim". Because she doesn't fit into the innocent and submissive box people have for abuse victims, they decide she doesn't count for being "bossy" (i.e. standing up to abuse), or "entitled" (i.e. having wants), or any other argument meant to paint her as "just as bad". Which is exactly what Bramblestar does! Even when she ALMOST DIED, he shifts the blame and says that they're BOTH at fault. What the "perfect victim" concept does, at the end of the day, is reinforce the manipulation abuse victims have to go through at the hands of their abuser. I like how you phrased it at the end: Even if Squirrelflight was bossy, or entitled, or whatever, that doesn't suddenly strip her of her experiences as an abuse victim. And for anyone reading this who can relate to this video, the same is true for you. You and your experiences are still just as legitimate and deserving of support, even if you weren't the "perfect victim".
@TheMorde452 жыл бұрын
I've always hated how many people think that abuse victims have to be sad and weak and submissive, it feels like everytime me or my friends talk about the shit we go through people don't take us seriously because we're loud and angry instead of quiet.
@styx75032 жыл бұрын
@@TheMorde45 I feel the same way. Loud and angry victims are just as valid as sad and submissive ones. You have a right to be angry about what happened to you, and it doesn't make you any less of a victim.
@moonseaeeveelutionsdance88632 жыл бұрын
@Moon did- did you watch the video at all?
@moonseaeeveelutionsdance88632 жыл бұрын
@Moon yeah but that's.. one thing. What about the entire Hope thing?
@theskywingartist2 жыл бұрын
...thank you for that bit at the end... I'm not going into detail, but I'm not the 'Perfect Victim' either.
@vynniev96114 жыл бұрын
oh this is... this is spooky. wow. imagine writing such a realistic abusive relationship.... *accidentally.*
@jokie32244 жыл бұрын
Oh seriously, makes one worry about how the authors view or know relationships
@snakewithapen54894 жыл бұрын
I refuse to believe it's accidental at this point. If it is, I'm terrified.
@topmalk4 жыл бұрын
@@snakewithapen5489 makes you wonder about the author’s relationships, and why they think this is okag
@janeoathdragon57934 жыл бұрын
I've seen similar situations happen when people are shipping characters that are toxic towards each other, I guess that sometimes when someone is super invested into a couple they like they overlook those things because they are more into the characters being together then how they would actually function. That's my guess anyways I've never really been one for analyzing and writing romance
@tigerdiamond24864 жыл бұрын
@@snakewithapen5489 it his accidental,kate said that brambleclaw was incapable of being abusive,how he one of our most honorable warrior,that he always treated her as a equal and with respect and that he and squirrelflight just have different opinions and partners sometimes feel so intensely to be always racional
@wenpigsfly954 жыл бұрын
“Just because someone annoys you, doesn’t mean you get to treat them badly” a beginners guide to understanding abusive relationships. THANK YOU
@mooneatsworms4 жыл бұрын
im not gonna lie, Bramblestar's Storm from what ive seen reads like some fanfiction im not even kidding, that "Is she always like this?" line just felt like some 14 year old wrote it
@Rainchu894 жыл бұрын
I read it, it was basically a fanfic, not even that good of one. It had a lot of weird moments that went nowhere, like Bramblestar noticing that Tigerheart and Dovewing ”Fought as if they had been raised with each other” then Bramblestar never thought of it again. Jessy was... Weird, honestly, she just came out of nowhere, was really into Clan life, then left and insisted Squirrel and Bramble should be together because they had an unbreakable bond. I didn't like it.
@honeybumblebee92742 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar seems like the kind of guy who calls himself an "Alpha Male"
@_idk_tbh_2 жыл бұрын
Legit
@ssupermarlo2 жыл бұрын
Bramble Tate
@FlowerGriffon2 жыл бұрын
True
@tsaralexis94592 жыл бұрын
@@ssupermarlo what color is your pelt
@Snow_Sailor2 жыл бұрын
He runs an alpha male meeting after gatherings, doesn't he
@amberlarch79224 жыл бұрын
The fact that he’s “punishing” her makes me beyond angry. She’s just his little object who stepped out of line and needs to be taught to never NEVER do it again.
@NutpuffTheWolf4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I hate him
@ohoh84544 жыл бұрын
Hes treating her like a child and it pisses me off
@elm-ishh57184 жыл бұрын
petition to kick his ghost
@moni89084 жыл бұрын
@@elm-ishh5718 yessss eject himmmmmm
@frog83664 жыл бұрын
@@elm-ishh5718 i’ll sign.
@rileytheworm89914 жыл бұрын
"Someone doesn't deserve to be treated badly because they're annoying." As someone who relates to Squirrelflight a lot, this line really got me. I was never a victim of abuse, but I was bullied in school because I was the weird and annoying kid. I kinda saw myself in Squirrelpaw/flight while reading TNP, so it always makes me kinda sad when people make the case she deserves her treatment just for being irritating.
@saturniiiidae4 жыл бұрын
Yes I’m so sorry for you and I honestly hope that (Spoilers for the broken code) Bramblestar doesn’t get his body back and goes to starclan so squirrelflight can be leader like she always dreamed of, and have a mate who loves her and another litter of kits before she dies. Reading squirrelflights hope just broke my heart
@featherwhiskerfan6294 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I've always related to Squirrelflight too, as I've always been labelled as too 'stubborn' or 'annoying', so it's kind of sad that the Erins stuck her in an abusive relationship and made Bramble treat her badly for being 'annoying'. Also, someone really needs to say that line to my little brother smh bc he always calls me annoying and treats me terribly for it. :/
@featherwhiskerfan6294 жыл бұрын
@@saturniiiidae YES WE WANT SQUIRRELSTAR GIVE US WHAT WE WANT E R I N S
@saturniiiidae4 жыл бұрын
@@featherwhiskerfan629 - YES YES SQUIRRELSTAR also ugh I can totally relate to squirrelflight being pushed around for being stubborn and annoying when she’s only trying to do what she believes is right, my siblings are rude to me about that too :/
@nottvarg4 жыл бұрын
id like to say that bullying IS abuse. abuse doesn't have to be from family or people you're in a relationship with; continuous, relentless tearing down of another person is abusive behaviour and we need to destroy the idea that bullying is somehow lesser than that
@professionalocchiolist41044 жыл бұрын
Squirrelflight: don't murder pregnant women Bramblestar: no Fandom: squilf is so manipulative and bad!!!! :(
@professionalocchiolist41044 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor uhh i think you misread my comment
@hikari35534 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor Whoosh
@adamyusuf18054 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor since when was Squilf a guy?! Let alone abusive!
@solsticesailor4 жыл бұрын
@@adamyusuf1805 I misread the comment,
@adamyusuf18054 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor oh
@RLane-xz5cj3 жыл бұрын
"Blood runs deeper than anything" is a weird connection to make right after deciding you want to be a good dad to your adopted kits 🤔
@phantomstarsx93432 жыл бұрын
at this point it wouldnt surprise me if the Erin's forgot they werent his (or her) biological kits.
@brigade76782 жыл бұрын
Right!? so nonsensical 😑
@eptck4 жыл бұрын
ah, the classic “he only hits me because i did something wrong”
@frankenstein27584 жыл бұрын
Double yikes bro
@humangarbage30194 жыл бұрын
@@frankenstein2758 triple yikes bro
@olivineanimatics4774 жыл бұрын
@@humangarbage3019 Quadruple yikes bro
@humangarbage30194 жыл бұрын
@@olivineanimatics477 quintuple yikes bro
@quicksilverchaos41224 жыл бұрын
@@humangarbage3019 s*xtuple yikes bro
@jasonlpap4 жыл бұрын
“Being annoying doesn’t mean you need to treat someone badly” me: shows my younger brother him: I’ll just pretend I didn’t see that
@snybies4 жыл бұрын
How nice it would've been only having one brother
@bgmarshall4 жыл бұрын
Shows my OLDER sister Her: imma pretend I didn't see that (2 years older)
@creepycrawwly4 жыл бұрын
Huh I feel you
@koifish42764 жыл бұрын
My friend : I'll still smack you
@Feezee2234 жыл бұрын
Looks at my older brother.
@snxwy36344 жыл бұрын
“don’t you love me anymore?” Squirrelflight throughout the books has consistently proven to be an honest, direct, and literally one of the least under-handed characters of them all (setting aside when she lied for Leafpool, that’s basically the one exception), so it def struck me as her genuinely needing an answer to that question.
@humangarbage30194 жыл бұрын
I have to say,I genuinely believe the answer to that question is no,the way he’s been acting recently just sets this in stone,I could go on and on about all the times he was shown to be abusive and how that shows that he doesn’t love her,but it would be a waste,you’ve already watched the video.
@stopreadingthisusername95284 жыл бұрын
And to be fair on that Leafpool bit, Starclan basically guilt tripped her into taking those kits so really she had no choice in the matter whatsoever.
@starvoltnexus31393 жыл бұрын
@@stopreadingthisusername9528 And yet they purposely told her to leave Bramble claw out of the loop why
@thistle_flowers50183 жыл бұрын
@Human Garbage I don’t know which would be worse- that he doesn’t love her at all, or that he does love her and still treats her like this
@starvoltnexus31393 жыл бұрын
@@thistle_flowers5018 I honestly just treat it as character derailment
@gouldiloof3 жыл бұрын
I’m really sick of seeing people call Bramblestar a good mate and a good cat and then call Squirrelflight a bitch, when they completely ignore how Bramblestar has always treated her.
@devi---3 жыл бұрын
ikr?
@layladeclaire47372 жыл бұрын
Literally everyone hates on bramble, no one sympathizes with him.
@stric9l0l2 жыл бұрын
@@layladeclaire4737 idk mabey watch the video your replieing to
@layladeclaire47372 жыл бұрын
@@stric9l0l not what I meant, genius. Nobody in the fandom calls him a good mate and no one trashes on Squirrel. There’s a huge bias for her. This comment is completely wrong and out of touch. And frankly, it’s quite stupid how people get all of their opinions from two biased youtubers instead of thinking for themselves.
@stric9l0l2 жыл бұрын
@@layladeclaire4737 yes because the fandom got over it this video is 2 years old anyway go back to when this was made (or even befor then) and you'll find a-lot more bramble fans but most ether changed or left
@Anne-wf1vo4 жыл бұрын
How ironic. He didn't want to be as bad as his dad, but here we are
@nectar26364 жыл бұрын
At least HE somewhat treated his mates nicely... okay maybe not, but better than Bramblebutt here.
@nectar26364 жыл бұрын
@Skywalker Kitty Haha, I think he has a lot of nicknames. I personally call him Bramblebutt. But some say Brashblestar/Brashstar, and some with swear words in it that I prefer not to use. :D! Kinda funny how we have nicknames for certain characters.
@Weirdanimalboy4 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is like the weird Tigerstar x Sasha relationship, where he claims to love her but chastises her for her decisions and who she is 😕
@andrewatkinson41684 жыл бұрын
Bramble is WORSE then Tiger
@mysryuza4 жыл бұрын
Runs in the family I guess
@Blixemi4 жыл бұрын
Hell 👏 Yes 👏 Girl 👏 God I love every single one of your vids but damn this hit different. Love your deep dives!!! You’ve highlighted so much that I completely missed while reading it legit blew my mind. Seeing all his actions laid out and in context is absolutely chilling. Like I got legit goosebumps midway through. Damn. Such a good video Moon. Your work is unparalleled!
@SunFeathers4 жыл бұрын
Agreed :) hello btw
@Levi_Lime84 жыл бұрын
I agree with every bit of that. This is such a underrated comment, especially from someone like you!
@lokitheipodcollector4 жыл бұрын
I agree lol
@swampthelizard4 жыл бұрын
I agree with this more than I agree that Mothwing is one of the best cats in arc 2
@vindhallare7834 жыл бұрын
@@swampthelizard One of? No, MothWing is the best
@manatee45784 жыл бұрын
Me: casually doing school Moonkitti: *Bramblestar is Worse* Me: OH HECK YEAH *procrastination session*
@amyswanson28574 жыл бұрын
ƠʆƝƝƖƝ same
@animalcr8zed224 жыл бұрын
Same...Moonkitti comes before school!!!
@mackpluis4 жыл бұрын
Sameee XD
@jasonlpap4 жыл бұрын
Me in ELA class
@charleshills14084 жыл бұрын
THE WAY I READ THIS JUST AS I REALIZED IM LATE FOR CLASS-
@VampuuriYT Жыл бұрын
I'm seriously worried for whoever is writing WC, especially people who wrote Squilf's hope. Like, you don't accidentally write a perfect example of an abusive relationship. Either you did it intentionally or you yourself have experienced an abusive relationship and tought it was normal, "this is what relationships are supposed to be like". If somebody's relationship is similar to Squilf and Bramblestar, they need to break up immediately.
@vaporskies634 жыл бұрын
I'd like to add the fact that (SPOILERS) In the broken code, possessed Bramblestar treats Squirrelflight badly. He guilt trips her, abuses her both physically and mentally, and abandons her. Now this behavior can be excused on the fact that it isnt really Bramblestar. But what unsettled me the most when reading was how the clan responded. A large portion of the clan didn't seem too bothered about it for a while. Why? Because this has become a normal Bramblestar thing. Nobody figured out that Bramblestar was possessed because this new cat is acting a lot like Bramblestar. I have read all four books so far btw.
@dergs_and_stuff4 жыл бұрын
What book did that occur in? I'm very curious.
@MisterMythical4 жыл бұрын
@@dergs_and_stuff The Silent Thaw, with a bit of this in Veil of Shadows as well.
@arvo-noon4 жыл бұрын
*O h n o*
@misonokarin4 жыл бұрын
He was already treating her badly before he got possessed in that book
@rowanheart81224 жыл бұрын
Literally nobody started noticing something was off until he stopped bathing and going on patrol
@tribbleofdoom4 жыл бұрын
I am here for this.
@humangarbage30194 жыл бұрын
Oh hello.I didn’t know you watched Moon,it’s a surprise,but a welcome one.
@Spectorwing4 жыл бұрын
Heck yes bring proud mane over here so he can get lectured too!
@galaxydeathskrill56074 жыл бұрын
O xD btw I finished Cow of the Wild not long ago - it was very interesting
@cinnamondreams4 жыл бұрын
Oh hello! Nice to see you watching this
@miaumiau79194 жыл бұрын
Oohhh you are here!
@rainy18354 жыл бұрын
pst... you know something awful i just realized about that thing in squirrelflights hope of "lets go sneak out and run around and pretend we're young again?" it's been mentioned that firestar and sandstorm had a habit of going night hunting. yknow. *firestar*. when he was a leader. still made time for his relationship. and these were squirrelflight's parents.
@testerwulf33574 жыл бұрын
If firestar always had time for sandstorm and didn’t fight all the time like brash apprentices bramblestar had NO excuse to ignore and constantly talk down to squirrelflight. Firestar treated sandstorm like an equal, his mate, the one person he could truly rely on the most and trust; Bramble treated squirrelflight like an annoyance, he used her and abused her and neglected her needs making her feel bad for having needs.
@rainy18354 жыл бұрын
@@testerwulf3357 exactly!! and that was even with all the spottedleaf drama. i dont understand how we have sandstorm and firestar, a relationship where one of them is a leader and the other fiery and headstrong like squirrelflight, watch them have *no* pattern of malicious behavior, watch all of firestar's blunders in the relationship (mostly spottedleaf related) get treated seriously and addressed and fixed, and watch him still make time for her and respect her insights from a leadership perspective, and then have the books turn around and act like bramblestar just HAS to be this way! they never ACTUALLY fix any of his problems, and his problems were much worse than firestars "im still hung up on my dead crush" garbage.
@petalleaf28084 жыл бұрын
This made me have a sudden rush of nostalgia and sadness. I miss the times when Firestar and Sandstorm were alive.
@くコ彡-t8k3 жыл бұрын
Tbh the only reason the Erin's made them get together is purely based off that bramblestar is tigerstar's son and squirrelflight is firestar's daughter
@yawninglion16773 жыл бұрын
Sad, because they had a perfectly good Mothpool...
@axelf99474 жыл бұрын
The worst part is that the writers didn't even intend for this to happen. They genuinely thought they were making Bramblestar sympathetic and likable. Oof.
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin81604 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it’s pretty hard to like and be sympathetic towards him if they keep writing him like that.
@axelf99474 жыл бұрын
@@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160 yeah, that's what I'm saying lol
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin81604 жыл бұрын
@@axelf9947 Yeah, I got that xD
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin81604 жыл бұрын
@Wowie Zowie True lol
@sillygoosetaur4 жыл бұрын
Wowie Zowie *twigbranch*
@glitchyswablu4 жыл бұрын
"Why would you help your twin sister who is the only medicine cat of this Clan and has been nothing but helpful and kind to everyone" Says the cat who almost murdered his father figure and abandoned his morals for his half brother he knew for a month
@nyowo4 жыл бұрын
lOgIc
@jamarihernandez71174 жыл бұрын
*MORALS 100*
@-zawolf-83254 жыл бұрын
Bramble claws reason makes sENcE
@axelf99474 жыл бұрын
I honestly loved Firestar and Bramblestar’s dynamic. But to be honest, that‘s... pretty much the only redeeming part of Bramble’s character. Ugh.
@BlueMaskGuy4 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that kinda weird since Firestar was a father figure to Bramblestar and now Bramblestar is dating Firestar’s daughter? 0~0
@nyanbinary874 жыл бұрын
for me, the worst part is it all worked. i hated squirrelflight because i was a young, impressionable reader. i've grown past that, but i haven't read the books recently enough to really remember bramblestar's behavior. i know by now its wrong, but as a kid, the tactics WORKED. i was fully on bramblestar's side once. i wasn't even out of elementary school. if i hadn't learned better by now, i could've become bramblestar. watch what you're writing and how it's presented. the books tried to present bramblestar as sympathetic, and i, an elementary school kid, believed it. i believed that bramblestar was in the right because i couldn't have known better and nothing showed me otherwise because bramblestar is intended to be sympathetic. i also do not have some of the books that demonstrate their relationship, as i don't own more recent books, but i have many and they all contributed. YES, THESE ARE CAT BOOKS. but i learned so much from all the books i read and this was almost one of them. i almost learned that being bramblestar is okay, is good, is right. i did learn it, but not fully, and i have been working to undo that idea within themselves. you CANNOT dismiss the lessons any fiction can teach, no matter how ridiculous it seems.
@purple62424 жыл бұрын
THIS! I was in the same exact situation and as a young impressionable kid I didnt like Squilf either because the authors presented her in such a way were to a kid she was in the wrong. They need to be careful how they write things that they 'for kids' because most kids will think of that as normal witch is incredibly dangerous.
@nyanbinary874 жыл бұрын
@@purple6242 I hope later books present her better, i largely lost interest past omen of the stars, but i doubt it after seeing this video, as even if they present squirrelflight as in the right, bramblestar is still........whats the word.......not fully presented as unsympathetic, more as a neutral party whos been sympathetic? it does not fill me with confidence.
@nectar26364 жыл бұрын
I read Warriors much older than you started probably, so I was so confused. I though Squirrelflight was just fine, and interesting character, while Bramble just saying how annoying she is. Which is why I also don't find Jayfeather heartless or cold, like how other cats say he is, but in his mind, or even out of his mind, I can see how he truly cares for his Clanmates beneath that layer of standoffish-ness. But I have to agree, its frustration how it worked. How Bramble's attempts and everything worked out for him, and I feel so sorry for Squirrelflight.
@pikathemimikyu66554 жыл бұрын
Im in elementary school and I knew Brambkestar was being unfair at time, though I used to really like him. Not i see his true self.
@unripetheberrby62834 жыл бұрын
Good good GOOD very good post here. oh my goodness I'm nearly at a lose for words. I'm sorry. Yes, strongly agree.
@justyourlocalcommenter74923 жыл бұрын
Firestar: “I should’ve left you in that fire.” Bramblestar: “but cha didn’t!”
@ssupermarlo2 жыл бұрын
i am now imagining firestar saying that watching bramblestar from starclan around bramblestar's storm and squirrelflight's hope
@Cndery2 жыл бұрын
he could have let brambleshit die, and saved Yellowfang. I would be happier.
@WeirdCatLover2 жыл бұрын
@@ssupermarlo Bluestar: “Firestar? Where are you going?” Firestar: “I’m going to go tell cat hitler’s son that there is a prophecy where he must eat a pile of dirt and choke to death. HE DISRESPECTED MAH BABYY THAT MEANS DEATH”
@Kensuke222 жыл бұрын
@@WeirdCatLover me: "lemme join u fire star"
@molester628 Жыл бұрын
it would have been better for bramblestar too, he probs faced a lot of bullying due to who his father is.
@feywildgamingyt4 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Bramblestar hasn't even been possessed or anything, everyone's just starting to see how much of a toxic and abusive person he is Guys please I am joking
@killersparky40444 жыл бұрын
i get this is a joke but root boi sees his ghost
@insertishereyeah4 жыл бұрын
@@killersparky4044 It ends up just being the ghost of BrambleStar's personality before he became an abusive mess (not saying he had much).
@starvoltnexus31394 жыл бұрын
No
@Octoweaponry4 жыл бұрын
@@starvoltnexus3139 yes.
@starvoltnexus31394 жыл бұрын
@@Octoweaponry I really don’t like the supervision and I’d rather Retcon it to say that bramble star was possessed of the time and say this was all Ashfur actions If you’re going to make Ashfur a villain go all the way
@Lee-ss8yj4 жыл бұрын
"her mate was a kind tom" idk why but this comment about Larksong really hit me. Like she acknowledges that Bramblestar isn't kind towards her and is happy that at least her daughter isn't receiving the same abuse as she does :(
@SharkyCharlotte4 жыл бұрын
Squirrelflight is a lot like her father firestar. I'm Suprised that she never brought that up. Never went " Firestar would've helped this injured cat! " " my father would've done this " Or perhaps even challenged that her father was a better leader. Something like that. I'm very Suprised she never brought his actions up- Firestar was a great leader.
@Partyhatmassacre3 жыл бұрын
That’s def more on how the series treats family, it’s just so odd.
@lord__pasta3 жыл бұрын
True. But some might've taken that as "Oh wow you're so 'spoiled' and 'special' aren't you" And Bramble would've definitely blamed Squirrelflight's mistrust on her father if she had said anything about it. It's actually pretty cool to see how similar she is but also how independent she. Idk if any of that made sense lmao. But yeah, she could've tried using "my father would've helped [blank]" to maybe see if Bramble would've listened
@Lilybelle-vr3ho3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. In New Prophesy they tricked us. Thought Bramblestar would live up to him and be a good cat. He wasn't.
@joemamacaprisun2 жыл бұрын
there was one bit in the new prophecy in midnight where she complains about how firestar wouldve done something about a badger but thats different. but yeah it wouldve been cool to see her do something along the lines of that. or even her saying she regretted not choosing ashfur as a mate (and yes i am aware ashfur would not have been a good mate but im pretty sure in the narrative squilf wouldnt think about that when agrivated at bramble)
@Coraisthe14u2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Bramblestar doesn't like Squilfs actions because she's behaving like a better leader than he is, seeing her actions as good forces him to realize he's bad.
@aischengoldworm11823 жыл бұрын
Honestly looking back at the beginning of their relationship, I gotta say the age gap is honestly really weird. I mean Brambleclaw is a warrior before Firestar's even leaves for his quest, and he even though he has kits soon after that still makes Brambleclaw quite a bit older than her. I did some rough timeline calculations for a fandom project and if we kepts all the events canon that would make Brambleclaw almost 2 years old at the beginning of Midnight. Even though they don't get together until after Squirrelflight becomes a warrior, I feel like they're relationship is comparable to a 25 year old dating an 18 year old who just graduated high school. As Moonkitti pointed out, there was always and inherit power imbalance and looking back it's kind of disturbing to see. ESPECIALLY when Bramble trivializes Squirrelflight's feelings or treats her like a child.
@violeteyes422 жыл бұрын
@RobotBlue 😰
@dahannes67392 жыл бұрын
@RobotBlue 25 and 18 is not a disgusting age gap Whats wrong with you
@dahannes67392 жыл бұрын
@RobotBlue no whats wrong with you, do you really think theres a great difference if youre 18 or 20 years old?
@East92112 жыл бұрын
They’re animals. It’s really not that deep 🤦♀️
@grief8602 жыл бұрын
@@dahannes6739 Is it okay for a 17 yro and a 25 yro to get together? You don't become mature the second you're a legal adult. They're both weird.
@lichpassing37934 жыл бұрын
Squirrelflight is a character I’ve always projected on bc of my abuse. Hearing somebody else say that this isn’t just me projecting is nice!! I just wish the Erin’s either didn’t use this narrative or wrote it better. Emotional abuse is a complex thing, and it’s hard to write, but it’s important. The fact that people don’t pick up on this narrative and assume squirrelflight is in the wrong is a bad sign. These are books aimed towards kids, and while I think serious topics should be covered, if they aren’t covered properly what’s the point? Idk sorry for rambling but I love this video homie
@feywildgamingyt4 жыл бұрын
But the fact that the whole abusive behavior was unintentional does kind of alarm me, bcs like Spottedleaf's book, they're portraying a dangerous, toxic relationship as normal or even "uwu quirky uwu" It makes me worry for the Erins and wonder if these are relationships that they have been or are currently in. It makes me wonder if they think these sorts of relationships are normal and what that could mean for them. Eh...never met your idols, I guess.
@deedeedan86814 жыл бұрын
What relationship are you talking about from Spottedleaf's book? (Literally didnt even know there was a book for her so I know nothing about any of it 😭😭)
@feywildgamingyt4 жыл бұрын
@@deedeedan8681 between Spottedpaw (little spottedleaf) and Thistleclaw. Moonkitti did a video on it. Edit: it's this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/op3boKaGmbCmsKs
@deedeedan86814 жыл бұрын
@@feywildgamingyt just watched and jeeeeeeeeeesus christ on a stick that is a MESS
@feywildgamingyt4 жыл бұрын
@@deedeedan8681 yeah
@anoushkashenoy6924 жыл бұрын
but you’re missing the point. spottedleaf’s heart was clearly a take on pedophillia, otherwise vicky wouldn’t have used it as reasoning as to why he went to the dark forest. the REAL issue with spottedleaf’s heart was *how* it resolved. spotted x thistle was intended abuse, squirrel x bramble wasn’t, but they’re both badly written.
@lawlzipoof4 жыл бұрын
It makes me feel like the Erins were maybe trying to set up Squilf and Bramble as an argumentative couple that get into meaningless spats but still love each other. And that type of dynamic, if done right, is interesting and fun to watch. However, it seems like it’s a constant battle with Bramble trying to keep himself over Squilf and make arguments that seem to leave a bitter aftertaste in your mouth. When you’re in a relationship, you’re not going to be agreeable with each other all the time. Little arguments are normal and healthy. What is not healthy is this cycle of toxicity that Bramble has been able to get away with for so long cause in all stages of their life, he’s higher than her in status.
@loganburnette54854 жыл бұрын
I have a cousin whose relationship is like that, little spats that are honestly hilarious and you know they still love each other. So to think that abuse is this? Honestly it makes me worried about the younger fans that read this book without knowing better..
@pupville10554 жыл бұрын
Frankly, the bickering couple trope often mirrors abusive relationships too, at least in movies and TV shows. (Hopper and Joyce from Stranger Things are a great example.) But having a passionate couple with strong opinions who debate about their beliefs and how they should act on them? Awesome. A couple who just jokingly mocks and teases each other? Cool. I feel like that *might* be what the writing team wanted to do with the pairing (other than just wanting Fire and Tiger's kids to hook up) but instead it's just a one sided abusive relationship.
@annawesometheflameingpikac36883 жыл бұрын
Sparkpelt clearly knowing her Mom is in an abusive relationship is what hits close to home for me
@ix37553 жыл бұрын
Same here. Only thing is that my mom and I know that my father is a really, really toxic person towards everyone, not just her. She's planning on divorcing him btw
@annawesometheflameingpikac36883 жыл бұрын
@@ix3755 I'm glad to hear you'll hopefully have a way out, and I wish you all the best in the future
@ix37552 жыл бұрын
@@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 This is so late, but thank you so much! My mom is saving up money to move out of state, and so am I.
@annawesometheflameingpikac36882 жыл бұрын
@@ix3755 I know it's not much, but I believe in you! You deserve to get out of this situation, and I trust you'll be able to find happiness where you and your mom end up
@ix37552 жыл бұрын
@@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 Thank you! I appreciate it!
@crowrosive4 жыл бұрын
honestly this is why i liked ashfur as a good character in these books before the whole fire business, but this does make me think that ashfur may have been turned into a villain solely to make brambleclaw look like the better choice...which is...hmm
@riku93774 жыл бұрын
@@brinana3629 nahh let's not lie Ashford was a good dude a bro but the authors made him a villain for no reason I feel like it could have been better if they made a book where we see ash fur grow and forget about squirrel flight instead of making him a jealous prick just to have bramble look good
@riku93774 жыл бұрын
@@brinana3629 that's the thing the way ash fur transitioned didnt make any sense at all that's why I think it was all just to make bramble look good think about it from a loving guys to a arsonist and we didnt get much reason to why he behaved this way our his true taught process we just got a stupid love triangle that turned one good character into a villain why? Cause the tigerXfire goodXbad
@CasualVFlowerEnjoyer4 жыл бұрын
@@brinana3629 That's not true at all, Ashfur was basically a non-character before his fling with Squirrelflight. He didn't show any signs of being a nut at any other point in his life, and he had been an adult cat for a while. He was good to Squirrelflight, a bit overprotective but that's something that people can work on in a relationship and in the end its not really hurting Squirrelflight unlike Bramblestar's abusive behavior always belittling and lashing out at her and then not talking for days. I agree with the op, they basically changed him just to make Bramblestar look like a better mate. As a writer, it didn't fool me. If Ashfur is toxic than Bramblestar is fucking nuclear. If they didn't want to ship Bramble and Squirrel so hard, Ashfur would have ended up being written as a good mate. But they'd rather the conflict of them always bickering to keep things interesting.
@CasualVFlowerEnjoyer4 жыл бұрын
@@tiiny_2576 I honestly disregard anything kittypet-prejudice related because that's a similar view of most clan cats. Not every cat in Thunderclan loved Firestar, nor Cloudtail, Millie, Daisy, ect. There's always been a lot of tension about outsiders and its persistently reinforced in the code and in other clans. Its hard to stomp out those unnecessary flames when they are all around and everyone except Thunderclan isn't so willing to take in kittypets and loners. If you lived in a society where everyone hated pretzels, wouldn't even look at them, three whole cities' worth of people and your group is the only one that will eat pretzels sometimes, that can make you pretty confused. Are pretzels bad or are they good? Most of society says they're bad. You might think 'Pretzels are bad, except for the ones I like to eat" and keep straddling that fence like some cats in Thunderclan still do. Kittypets and loners are never welcomed with open arms, there's always suspicion or rejection from some clan members. Its sad that clan cats are so discriminatory but its not just a racism-equivalent, outsiders really do pose a threat. Kittypets don't typically come in with skills to survive and need to be taught, while in the mean time they are still taking up resources. Loners and rogues, on the other hand, well, I need only look to what happened with Scourge and forward. Loners and rogues cause more trouble than the clans do between themselves it seems. All in all, there are a lot of reasons to not be fond of outsiders from several angles.
@CasualVFlowerEnjoyer4 жыл бұрын
@@tiiny_2576 But I actually do love Brackenfur cx he seems like a really chill guy and very kind-hearted. He's still one of my top faves and probably always will be.
@angelfelidae4 жыл бұрын
hot take: squirrelflight didn’t really do anything wrong by breaking up with ashfur. sure it sucks for ashfur, being broken up with is of course super upsetting and unfortunate, but at the end of the day squirrelflight shouldn’t have to stay in a relationship she isn’t happy in just for ashfur’s (a full grown cat who most likely knew she may still have feelings for bramblestar) sake. it wouldn’t have been fair to either of them. i honestly think squirrelflight is better off single.
@gretel6544 жыл бұрын
This honestly should not be an unpopular opinion. Of course Squirrelflight can break up with Ashfur whenever she pleases - that's literally how relationships work. People break up all the time because they don't think it'll work out. The fact that people seriously try to fault Squirrelflight for ~wronging~ Ashfur is ridiculous and frankly, concerning.
@angelfelidae4 жыл бұрын
@@gretel654 THANK YOU!
@tunaramen4 жыл бұрын
God thank you for saying this. I'm so tired of people portraying Squilf as a villain for breaking Ashfur's heart when reality she never meant to hurt him and even tried being friends with him afterward. The fact that this is a hot take just tells you a lot about the fandom ://
@angelfelidae4 жыл бұрын
@@tunaramen i’m so relieved to know there are others who believe squirrelflight shouldn’t be portrayed as heartless for ending things with ashfur. i was honestly nervous to share my thoughts because i genuinely can’t remember ever seeing anyone in this fandom defend her for doing so. squilf deserves better :(
@vicmorgana55164 жыл бұрын
@CLAIRE HETZLER I believe that too. Unfortunately, Stormfur would never have gone for it even though he liked her during the journey to find Midnight. He was so against Crowpaw and Feathertail being together and he knew better than to try to be with a cat from another Clan.
@lilaccherri75844 жыл бұрын
The Erins had the ability to stop this terrible relationship when they didn't have any important things to do in later books, in bramblestars storm jessy shows up being a love interest for bramblestar. Bramblestar thinks of cheating on his cat wife with jessy, this should've been the breaking point in the relationship but for some reason it wasn't. They should have been apart, the only actual reason bramblestar didn't cheat in that book is because he raised kits with squirrelflight?? It's ridiculous in every way.
@chxrrybxmb82044 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be cheating though, because they broke up
@testerwulf33574 жыл бұрын
@@chxrrybxmb8204 They were still together. Just taking some time off from each other. It’s called a break I think? You take time off from the relationship then make up later or fully break up, as you’re not exactly broken up I still count it as cheating. It’s only not cheating if the two agree to seeing other people in the meantime. Imagine having a small break from your significant other only to find out that they took that time to get laid with as many people as possible?? You’d feel like they don’t truly love you. What’s the point in maybe getting back together when clearly it doesn’t affect them since they have others to get laid with? or they might find someone they love more than you.
@chxrrybxmb82044 жыл бұрын
@@testerwulf3357 I agree, and i hate brambleclaw, with all my heart but I really don't see anything that says they were on anything but a break up.
@lilaccherri75844 жыл бұрын
@@FantasticFawnleap he was on a break, not completely broken up.
@lilaccherri75844 жыл бұрын
To add onto this, they were on a break but if squirrelflight had known about what had happened between the two of them they would never have resumed their relationship.
@pinky0558 Жыл бұрын
The “StarClan gave us claws for a reason” scene is actually horrifying. Brambleclaw’s words Squirrelflight and Lionblaze’s reactions to it It really sounds like Brambleclaw was threatening to hit her
@MartiniiYeah Жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ... that sent chills down my fucking back.
@Ladywondeer Жыл бұрын
Which book?
@FizzyFizzie Жыл бұрын
I don’t think that was his intention, in the book, they’re yapping about battling shadowclan. NOT trying to defend anything but i dont think that was the intention whatsoever
@loppie_445 Жыл бұрын
@@FizzyFizzie True, but i wouldn’t put it past him, especially seeing how he behaves in Squrrielflights hope
@mxxem_AL Жыл бұрын
@@raccoonsrule3090 💀
@aviomons4 жыл бұрын
I think.... Moonkitti dislikes Bramblestar.. I’m not quite sure though. If only she made a documentary on how Bramblestar is terrible. Hmmm
@vivi_art71214 жыл бұрын
Yeah it would be *really* helpful if she did
@akevdisbejvsjsvhrjsbsjdhdvajnh4 жыл бұрын
Yeah i wonder why she hasn’t yet?
@inugamiwang97044 жыл бұрын
That would be cool to watch.
@aris18694 жыл бұрын
Oh welll, i guess this short video will do
@vari65884 жыл бұрын
damn it’s just really hard to tell..hopefully she makes a super really long documentary about it
@treenaturtle15854 жыл бұрын
I love how when Squirrelflight breaks up with her boyfriend and explores other options she's automatically demonized, accused of leading Brambleclaw on, attempting to make her ex jealous, etc. But suddenly when Bramblestar literally openly pursues another woman and buries his face in her hair to smell her one last time nobody bats an eye and assumes this is all normal,, hmm👁👄👁
@snakewithapen54894 жыл бұрын
I've literally seen people hate on squirrelflight and try to justify Ashfur's actions by saying that Squirrel _cheated on him._ They were never in a relationship, Squirrel might have been interested in him for a little while because Bramble was being an absolute POS to her at the time, but Squirrel never cheated on Ash- there's no reason for him to try to murder three cats he believed were here children other than the fact he felt entitled to her because he liked her. Bramble is the apparently unfaithful one, and yet we never see anyone call him out on it, either in the books or in the fandom.
@treenaturtle15854 жыл бұрын
@@snakewithapen5489 Fr it’s just behavior enacted by 12yos who don’t know what a fling is. Squirrelflight’s just treated like some kind of trophy object the whole time and it’s so sick to read :/
@treenaturtle15854 жыл бұрын
@Some Weeb Why don't you think so?
@bellrookie34994 жыл бұрын
Idkw, but the fact that this sounds so similar to how DovexBumble works somehow makes it worse...
@treenaturtle15854 жыл бұрын
@Abigail Ginn yeah I was lmao
@pebblesgum4 жыл бұрын
I feel like bramblestar wasted squirrelflight's life
@purple62424 жыл бұрын
YESSS And it's soo sad bc Squirrelflight could've done so much
@megara834 жыл бұрын
@@purple6242 chill, she won’t die tomorrow 🤣
@tigerdiamond24864 жыл бұрын
@@megara83 she almost did tho
@megara834 жыл бұрын
@@tigerdiamond2486 lmao
@alexander-zy7nt4 жыл бұрын
@@megara83 yeah she could still live for way more books, i mean look at graystripe hfks
@yanmeggo3 жыл бұрын
I love this. I used to not like Squilf, I was indifferent about Bramblestar, but this really opened my eyes. And after watching this, with the realization that Squilf is literally killing herself in this new arc to fight for her abuser's life is so depressing
@honeybumblebee92743 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it just makes me so sad to think about how the abuse has been going on for so long that Squilf has literally developed Stockholm syndrome.
@Trans_Reed_133 жыл бұрын
@@honeybumblebee9274 and the fact that she was terrified of Ashfur while he was possessing Bramblestar and flinched a lot during that time yet still thought it was her own mate...
@flippylekitty4 жыл бұрын
“Oh, Bramblestar isn’t that bad” Moonkitti: *Im about to end this man’s whole career*
@robynsadlyisnttaken46924 жыл бұрын
i was talking to my friend about how bad bramblestar is, and she was just like "well i don't hate him yet because he hasn't attacked her or anything so it isn't that bad" and believe me i rephrased atleast 3 whole websites about emotional abuse to her and most likely got her really concerned on how i knew so much stuff about this so that was a fun 2 hours
@Randomreplacement4 жыл бұрын
@@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 all my friends are like ‘nonono Bramblestar did nothing wrong’
@gummychee4 жыл бұрын
@@Randomreplacement All my friend are like “what’s warrior cats?” or “ are you a furry?” lol
@flippylekitty4 жыл бұрын
@@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 What the fudge is wrong with your friend-
@robynsadlyisnttaken46924 жыл бұрын
@@flippylekitty i have no clue honestly-
@imriley85984 жыл бұрын
I loved bramblePAW’s concept in TPB because of how honorable he acted and how loyal he was to thunderclan, willing to stay and work harder to prove he was a good cat, but what they did with his character is just sad, and disappointing, and to a certain extent heartbreaking because I expected so much more. Squilf never deserved to be treated that way. I truly wish the authors wrote Bramblestar differently.
@jayson75364 жыл бұрын
preach 🙏
@bleachdrinker694 жыл бұрын
Exactly. His father/son brother/brother relationship with FireStar as an apprentice and young warrior in New Prophecy was the only point i loved him. I also enjoyed Ashfur as a character, and even though i wasn’t all “shippy shippy” with him and Squilf, i was at least hoping he would stay as a friend or support system. He was slightly overbearing and had moments where he forgot abt how independent she was , but he respected and was kind to her. He defended her against Bramble, and was a friend to her when she needed it. I hate how the Erins took him and made him a “she chose him-? I will kill her family and hold a 22 year old grudge against her children...” type villain. He was never like that before, and his whole personality led me to believe he would act a bit betrayed and upset at her choosing the man who treated her like shit over him, who was kind to her, but eventually would have forgiven her and respected her choice, no matter how he felt about it. He and Bramble were dragged through the mud simply for plot, and its disappointing
@featherwhiskerfan6294 жыл бұрын
@@bleachdrinker69 Yeah, I kind of feel bad for how they treated poor Ashfur's character after Squilf chose Brambleclaw. Like you, I was kind of hoping he would stay as a friend or supporter to her, but no,,, he just,, turned against her?? It kind of seems out of character for him to just have snapped like that, but it's probably just because the Erins wanted to build up drama with the whole secret getting out. It's kind of disappointing though, they could've done it another way that would've been equally if not more suspenseful. :/
@mckaylamarille86304 жыл бұрын
@@featherwhiskerfan629 I know, right? I would've LOVED a dynamic with Ash being some kind of chill uncle to the Three since Bramble is almost always busy and/or upset. Then they could still get the "they aren't my kits" drama some other way by Squirrel deciding to confide in Ash because she trusts him and somebody overhearing or something like that. The Erins kinda ruined perfectly good characters for the sake of drama, and there's little I hate more than ruined characters :
@izzy13564 жыл бұрын
He's basically Thunderclan's equivalent of Onestar but with a dash of on-screen abuse added in at this point 😬😬😬
@ababyharpseal65344 жыл бұрын
Oh god, when Sparkpelt yells at Squilf asking why she’s sticking up for Bramblestar... I’ve been in that exact situation numerous times as a kid with one parent abusive towards the other.
@SillyNep2 жыл бұрын
It's actually heartbreaking what he's done to Squirreflights confidence... She's such an amazing character and her energy has been fantastic since the start tbh, and honestly it felt like he never saw her as a full cat, ever since he PINED AFTER HER WHEN SHE WAS AN APPRENTICE, he was still looking down at her as if she was a stupid child, because apparently that's attractive to him. If he thinks she's so immature then maybe he should stop dating her, he'd be doing her a big favour, even if it hurt her to lose him at the start she'd be better off in the long run.
@catloverd20 Жыл бұрын
It is really sad how he drains all the confidence out of her. I agree.
@yolochip4889 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever watched the video or what? You make me laugh more.@@DaisyBelll
@hadleyreynolds8870 Жыл бұрын
@@DaisyBelll no one said she was perfect or never made mistakes, but the abuse is clear. Watch the video.
@Marilynn_12759 ай бұрын
Oh hell nah! I do NOT like that implication... But you're definitely correct on all of these points.
@lemuraiafromdaysofold21444 жыл бұрын
“I just want justice for my little red cat...” the way you said that broke my heart. Everything you have described here is just awful, absolutely awful. She’s been crossing paths with squirrelflight directly ever since she’s been an apprentice (maybe not even a year old), and now she’s getting old, she even said it herself. Squirrelflight has been in an abusive relationship basically her entire life. Her ENTIRE life. It has to stop, because if not, what next? Might the next confrontation actually lead to her death? This little red cat needs some tender loving care.
@ohfluffyuwu8353 жыл бұрын
@@summerrain6488 i'd argue she's sandstorm nr 2 xD
@wes17594 жыл бұрын
The way Warriors treats its female characters in general is just very bad.
@zippyshuman14644 жыл бұрын
I was going to write that Mistystar is the exception but- that's right she was trapped in a rotting hole and almost starved to death. Wow I never realized that... All the strong female characters (except Sandstorm (?)) either end up uncharacteristically grouchy (Mousefur) or have some sort of traumatic experience in their lives. (Mistystar, Mothwing, Leopardstar, Bluestar, Hollyleaf, Ivypool, Yellowfang, Sorreltail, Spottedleaf (though SL wasn't that independent)... the list goes on) oh and let's not forget about Willowpelt who was killed off for no apparent reason and then never gets mentioned again
@mckaylamarille86304 жыл бұрын
@@zippyshuman1464 Holy shit you're right. What's up with that?!
@oliwkaz51734 жыл бұрын
@@zippyshuman1464 So was Shrewpaw, Rainwhisker, Runnigwind, Hazeltail, Whiethroat, Foxleap, Mudfur, Brindleface, Molepaw, Tadpole...
@Oakhaze4 жыл бұрын
This comment made me think about Daisy and Spiderleg’s relationship ship
@axelf99474 жыл бұрын
Ivypool is Good. I think that's about it, to be honest.
@rayvengoodman31204 жыл бұрын
I absolutely hate the fact that people defend Bramblestar, as someone who has been in an abusive relationship, it’s like a slap in the face. This is a struggle for to type. My ex was severely emotionally and mentally abusive towards me throughout our relationship. He was constantly yelling at me, belittling me, made me severe friendships I had. He once punched the wall, inches close to my face. He did a lot of terrible things to me in our relationship, despite me saying no.. a few of my most favorites is when he wanted to was when he wanted to have s*x with me I told him no and proceeded to yell at me because “I was wasting his time”. Our senior Prom he told me “You look like a Mexican wh*re.” and then expected me to want to go sleep at his house that night and when I refused he yelled at me for that. One year on my birthday I was navigating him to see some Christmas lights and I told him to take the wrong turn. A simple accident. He yelled at me again. My most favorite is when he got drunk with his friends and sent pictures of my boobs to one of them and proceeded to blame me for it. He is a piece of sh*t. I know for a fact that he treated his other girlfriends like that as well. Bramblestar shows all of these signs. He’s disgusting and he would have been the same way with Jessy or any other cat he could get with. He’s toxic for anyone.
@R4WRY_Creepy_Claws4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're finally out of that awful relationship. I hate when people get away with doing things like this or when people defend this kind of shit. I hope you find someone new and better for you. You deserve it.
@skyshale4 жыл бұрын
ive been arguing with someone on deviantart about it for a week its kind of disgusting especially considering theyre obviously a child and severely uneducated and refuse to look at the evidence gghhgh i'm also very happy you got out of that relationship!! i hope you're doing better now!
@maapleleaf87763 жыл бұрын
I wish you the absolute best of luck recovering from that trauma. Happy to see you out of that situation!
@MaddHadder Жыл бұрын
ashfur is obsessed, bramblestar is abusive, cant poor squirrelflight get a normal mate for once
@JustDuckiest Жыл бұрын
If only Shrewpaw had lived
@Wren_BurnsHam Жыл бұрын
@@JustDuckiestwhy did we have to live in the universe where ShrewPaw died?
@MaddHadder Жыл бұрын
@@kira-channn yes abusive.
@ShortyJordyB Жыл бұрын
ShrewPaw is her cousin too 😭😭
@asutorad Жыл бұрын
@@ShortyJordyBsandstorm has no confirmed parents so shrew isn't canonically related to squirrel
@Pinejay4 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar treats Squirrelflight like a possession. When she's with him, he doesn't care of her. When there is a rival to him, he's extremely jealous and insults Squirrelflight.
@lucilucid4 жыл бұрын
This is why I wish they didn't kill off Shrewpaw so he wouldn't be a option. He seemed to genuinely care for her.
@ellap74614 жыл бұрын
Shrewpaw & Squirrelflight deserved better :(
@saturniiiidae4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! They were really sweet, in the small amount of times we met him he seemed kind and like he could be protective without be smothering like ashfur.
@gingersnap88483 жыл бұрын
@CLAIRE HETZLER ehhhhh, Stormfur is OK but stormfur KNEW that Brambleclaw loved Squireelpaw
@canrastis3 жыл бұрын
She's also related to shrew and storm :D
@Flickabee4 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Bramblestar isn't actually possessed, he's just being his true self. (:
@JingoTastic4 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie, this has been my theory for some time. It makes no sense but I am convinced.
@canned_beanz19444 жыл бұрын
Whoa that- Why does that make such Perfect sense
@uglyferalcat1494 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be too surprised if that was the truth
@softwhiskers6074 жыл бұрын
I'd actually prefer it that way lol
@TioShoutaAizawa4 жыл бұрын
Omagah perfect
@candiiihearts2 жыл бұрын
Something that should be notes is that Bramblestar, in multiple instances, uses a very common manipulation/abuse tactic: Love bombing. Love bombing is when a manipulator/abuser realizes that they have upset or are at risk of losing their victim, so, they shower the victim with love, attention, and promises(that usually aren’t fulfilled) in order to make them stay, in order to make them believe that they are loved, even if this affection isnt the norm for their relationship. Another tactic that could be interpreted from his actions is where the abuser gives promises, ideas, etc. to the victim, but either these promises dont have a set date or are far in the future. Whenever they reach the “calm” period in a relationship, at least one promise gets fulfilled. This leads the victim to associate the abuse they receive as just the build up to something good.
@god_2.0_the_better_version2 жыл бұрын
I've known about this for a long time but reading that in description made me realize my only friend is doing that to me, I didn't want to believe it since she is a victim of an ex gf doing that to her, and, well, my only friend, but it makes sense now. I'm sorry, that was kind've unrelated, I just felt like this huge gut punch just now and it hurts so now I'm rambling in the replies. Sorry again, probably just ignore this.
@deranged_dragon94712 жыл бұрын
@@god_2.0_the_better_version Hey...just want to check up on you. I've had this same friendship and it's hard to go through. But I do believe you should distance yourself. Do you have a discord? Maybe you'd Iike to talk? I recently lost the same friend and damn it's hard. I wouldn't want really any one to go through it alone like I'm having too.
@GeniusHamsterhe Жыл бұрын
@@god_2.0_the_better_version I'm so sorry, wishing you all the best how are you right now 💗💗💗 I'm sending you the hug!!!
@GeniusHamsterhe Жыл бұрын
@@god_2.0_the_better_version don't stay in toxic relationships please it's awful
@god_2.0_the_better_version Жыл бұрын
@@GeniusHamsterhe Thank you. I've since let go of the friendship. I did it all alone when I had nobody left and it was really hard, but she was 17 and I was much younger, and she uh... well, let's just say, got very weird. Not technically grooming since she's also a minor but the age gap was way too big for that stuff to be normal. I'm not doing much better now, but hey, one more toxic person gone
@CelestialTabris4 жыл бұрын
Moon ILYSM for always taking the time to put this much work into contextualizing things, I wont repeat anything you said because I know we share the exact same opinion but I do think I have a theory about the author’s attempt with these two. I remember when OOTS was running and the fact they were exes was like, popular you know? I had friends and saw discussion about how this was sad but ultimately the best place for these two...no one really wanted them back together or thought that they should be, and I think on some level the authors feel that way too. However, the tossing of the “barren” storyline and just putting them back together tells me this was some mandate centered around Squirrelflight the character needing children (Alderheart and Sparkpelt) run the story along... which just doesnt make sense to me considering we had Dovewing, Ivypool and Lionblaze as options but I digress. I feel like Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw being together is just a state of the story not wanting to remove the status quo and wanting both of Firestar’s daughters to have protag bait, so instead of developing Squirrelflights relationship with someone new they do this. It especially sucks because I can *feel* how much resentment the writers have for these two being together, its almost like they want us to be as upset and frustrated about it as they are, and its because of that I literally have no idea where they could want to take them from here especially since Our Guy is busy being a Zombie 🙂
@quicksilverchaos41224 жыл бұрын
A note that the Erins very well likely do have resentment for it. They've lost more and more control over the series over the years, and nowadays have to work with plots given to them by the editors at HarperCollins. The reason it reads like the writer hates the relationship is because they *hate the relationship and absolutely don't want it there*.
@TipOfTheSauce4 жыл бұрын
Essay Incomming!!! I liked Bramblestar up until the end of Midnight. I really liked him during the Prophecies Begin. Also, he worked well as a carryover character to start New Prophecy w/ a familiar cat. My problem is when he rejects Tigerstar in Darkest Hour that should have been it. That right there should have been the end of his character arc; but they kept trying to pile more on top of him. IDK why they wanted to make him have the same conflict over and over again. He literally rejected his own father to his face, what more do you need? If you really want to do the whole: will he, won’t he; use Tawnypelt. In fact, swap Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt in New Prophecy. Tawnypelt would have made much more sense. She left her own clan to be with Tigerstar. A lot of cats would probably still be suspicious of her intentions. Have a conflict with Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost where they are both trying to convince her to join their side. Finally, have Tawnypelt be the one who decides to save Firestar in Sunset. She probably felt as though Firestar abandon her, because he didn’t do enough to make the clan accept her. Make that scene about revenge, and not: “I want to be leader.” This way you could have Firestar actually show regret for something bad he did. Yes, I had this pre typed when you announced this video on Twitter lol. What do people think about my ideas?
@loup_perceptif4 жыл бұрын
That's a really interesting point of view, thank you ! In fact i found Tawnypelt much more interesting than Bramble and the regret thing with Firestar could have been cool because even if i like him- he's just a perfect hero and it is kinda annoying sometimes
@virginasol30314 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this, and would discard the old new prospect for this, if someone wrote it.
@jasonlpap4 жыл бұрын
This makes total sense and would’ve made new prophecy about 8 times better
@alovelydeadfish4 жыл бұрын
Tawnypelt > Brambleclaw
@lilaniloxi4 жыл бұрын
YES PLEASE
@feveraven4 жыл бұрын
they really had to make ashfur go turbo and try to kill 4 cats so brambleclaw would look better in comparison 😭😭
@lpsruby-81824 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@scaredstiff71764 жыл бұрын
this comment made me burst out laughing LOL because everyone knows it's true 😹
@movedtocupowarriors42054 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR COMMENTING THIS.
@ManyMungos4 жыл бұрын
It's really sad to think that they went that far to make Brambleclaw "look good." It really shows that they knew he was terrible, but found a lazy way out of it.
@humangarbage30194 жыл бұрын
@Wowie Zowie why are you everywhere
@meevins Жыл бұрын
it's sort of frustrating that a lot of peoples takeaway from this is to try and debate whether bramble, ash or another cat would be a better mate as if the concept of her just being single and not wanting or having a mate is a concept that doesn't exist. not to mention both bramble and ash are terrible, terrible partners in their own ways "but--" no they're both awful and wouldn't be a good match with or without the broken code arc existing.
@conarcoin4 жыл бұрын
squirrelflight: *gets a new boyfriend* brambleclaw: wow! i should go harass them and continue to try to guilt trip my ex for not liking my evil brother!
@SnowEarDraws4 жыл бұрын
erins: try making the tigerstar and firetsar bloodline together what happens: a abusive relashionship
@fronniecoded4 жыл бұрын
makes sense
@mckaylamarille86304 жыл бұрын
This is why I now ship Mothpool
@princerufioh4 жыл бұрын
@@mckaylamarille8630 how to _properly_ mix the firestar and tigerstar bloodline together.
@mckaylamarille86304 жыл бұрын
@@princerufioh You're not wrong.
@jahzaranegus16084 жыл бұрын
"Pfft, you read Warrior Cats? That's for kids!" Warrior Cats:
@higuys2253 жыл бұрын
ahah
@eve76383 жыл бұрын
Tigerstar's death
@pheonixlair16212 жыл бұрын
@@eve7638 its not that bad tbh
@_scarlettnotfound_57162 жыл бұрын
Hawkfrost death,Brightheart eyeball being ripped out,death,war,religious,racism,sexism,bullying, toxicity
@Wormmings2 жыл бұрын
I’ve /always/ found it incredibly off putting how bramble was a *warrior* when squilf was born. Just another way he has power over her.
@Littlefox12132 жыл бұрын
I wonder, when did he become a warrior? Skipped ARC 1(oopsie!) and in Midnight he’s apparently a young warrior while SF is an apprentice?
@imaginarylivingbody71542 жыл бұрын
@@Littlefox1213 He became a warrior in Firestar’s Quest and about four months later Squirrelflight was born.
@TorbieGinger2 жыл бұрын
They have a age gap of like a few months-a year max.
@imaginarylivingbody71542 жыл бұрын
@@TorbieGinger More like close to 2 years, depending on how long Firestar’s journey to Skyclan took and when Squirrelflight was born.
@jellybeanmutt32282 жыл бұрын
@@TorbieGinger in human years new warriors are 18-20 Meaning when she was a BABY he was an adult She was a teenager when they got “close” on the Journey they got together as adults but the gap is still weird.
@xlunnx4 жыл бұрын
Hey, maybe Squirrelflight wanted children so badly, not just because she is old, but because she was once tricked by Yellowfang into not being able to have kittens, so this is really scary for Squirrelflight.
@xlunnx4 жыл бұрын
@@Crowhexer Yes, but for a long time she was deceived about infertility, so when she found out that she could give birth, it was a surprise for her, which could develop a fear of losing such an opportunity again.
@luana298794 жыл бұрын
watch me throwing all the hate on yellowfang for that. Everyone always says how she s such a good character and I’m here to respectfully (or not) disagree. She never stood out to me when she was alive so i didn’t really mind her existence but when she was in star clan GOD I hated every single piece of her. Especially in POT. How she came in jayfeathers dreams every damn time and scolded him for no real reason. How she lied to squirrelflight about kits (that made me so mad I actually threw my kindle across the bed and that’s on anger issues). How she butted in in every single situation even tho nobody needed her. I have many more examples but overall she’s truly one of the most overrated and ANNOYING characters in the whole series
@iclynnx4 жыл бұрын
@@luana29879 I usually don't reply or comment much these days, but I have to say I agree here. I didn't think of it before but now that you say it, yes, Yellowfang did exactly what you say she did. I don't like how the Erins treat certain StarClan cats. There's a select few, who are so "important" they never go away nor are replaced by newer cats who have experienced the new ways of the Clans themselves. These few are Spottedleaf (but she's double-dead now), Bluestar, Yellowfang, Rock. Maybe one or two more. It gets annoying when they try to literally control every step the living cats take to get their own version of a perfect ending. I don't like the idea of destiny, a fate you have no control over. In reality we ourselves choose which path to take. We determine ourselves how and why we do things. Our own decisions lead us to situations, even if coincidences happen. Okay... I'm done rambling now.
@luana298794 жыл бұрын
@@iclynnx this made my day and i gotta agree!! Now that you mention it there truly are a few old cats that keep popping up whenever there a an issue and it’s irritating how they always try to fix things their way/the old clan way. Things have changed to much since the first series and honestly although it’s nice to see old characters such as firestar and others who are no longer alive, they should just become background characters especially since they passed away so long ago. I mean ffs, spotted leaf didn’t even live for one whole book and tho she wasn’t that annoying as a starclan warrior she still kept making useless appearances. And her obesssion with firestar became ridiculous. May I start by saying that she was half a life older than him and they had like 5 interactions throughout the whole damn book? And none of them were even slightly leading to anything...romantic. He liked the smell of her fur and the fact that she was kind, and that was it!! How did that turn into this wierd I love him and I visit his dreams situation, I don’t even know. But I guess I let this slide because she wasn’t t really annoying in the other series, she was always nice and never pushy so I guess she was helpful in a way. Rock never really mattered that much to me because he was kinda useless but the fact that he lived so long ago when things were so different and I dunno he had this mysterious aura about him. He was kinda pushy at times but not so much. Bluestar was definitely an interesting character when she was alive although I didn’t like her, she annoyed the shit outta me when she just went crazy. She seemed a bit more chill in starclan but shes pretty overrated and since firestar is there now as the last leader of thunderclan her appearance is pretty much useless. You already know my thoughts on yellowfang. They keep these cats around for no reason srsly, I’d rather hear about ashfur because he ended up in starclan due to yellowfangs insecurities tbh (“his only fault was to love too much”. I’m mean you ve got to be kidding me. The guy went totally bananas after TNP just because he couldn’t suck it up and find another girlfriend. Chile you’re gonna get rejected throughout life, if u can’t understand that then you need serious therapy. He was way too posessive anywayss). I see that we’re getting more of him in the current series which makes me sorta happy because I’ll find rest when he s in the dark forest. But if he kills squirrelflight or bramblestar I’m going to be seriously furious. Anywaysssss sorry for the ramble and old excuse any mistakes I’ve made and I couldn’t be bothered to check for any. Also if you could give me your insta so maybe we can chat there ( I find u rlly nice!!) I’d love it!!
@fortressnearabridge4 жыл бұрын
I think it's a combination of both. She lived with believing she couldn't have children so long that she fears getting older and losing that opportunity.
@hoopdogtheking23484 жыл бұрын
And this is why Squirrel saw no difference when Ashfur took over Bramble's body. Ha ha. :'(
@seineevee3 жыл бұрын
Haha.... :,(
@yuyuyashasrain3 жыл бұрын
I keep reading this in the voice of chuck white from American dad
@WarmBreadBearBuddy3 жыл бұрын
**laughs at own sad joke** Me: hahaha yeah… ʏᴇᴀʜ... (;´༎ຶٹ༎ຶ`)
@LocalFloppa.3 жыл бұрын
What...?
@WarmBreadBearBuddy3 жыл бұрын
@@LocalFloppa. Go away, nobody likes you (Just kidding I like you so far…)
@carolinec_86504 жыл бұрын
I hate how Warriors portrays females. It’s the only part of the series that I hate. She-cats are always paired off. They become dependent and weak. The Hunters don’t care -or don’t even realize they’re subjecting these characters to abusive relationships. I hope something changes. Edit: omg thank you guys! This is the most liked comment! Thank you guys for your comments. I agree with everyone- something needs to change! I’m going to try to make a vid about this on my channel :)
@kiekhoot29704 жыл бұрын
And make them extra naive to get them into a forbidden relationship and be taken by a dumb tom who don't feel empathy for others like bruh-- can't female characters have a good time for once-?
@Corviidei4 жыл бұрын
Also it’s really strange how they’re called “she-cats” and not Mollies. Like, usually in animal fiction they either call the characters she- and he-, or they use the gendered terms for the animal in question. I always found it a bit questionable how warriors mixed em like that.
@petalleaf28084 жыл бұрын
@@kiekhoot2970 Isn't that only Leafpool and Crowfeather? And maybe Fallowtail and Reedfeather? Asides from that, I thought Oakheart, Tigerheartstar, and Graystripe were emphatic mates that are toms.
@carolinec_86504 жыл бұрын
@@Corviidei True XD
@carolinec_86504 жыл бұрын
@@kiekhoot2970 omg ikr???
@algiz_36963 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is why I stopped reading warriors. Once Brambleclaw/star became the protagonist I felt the story went from a classic hero tale to a horrible inconsistent mess with now ableism, forced religions, normalized abusive relationships, sexism and no choice in a persons destiny. what ever happened to simple character archs and plots that still teach a lesson without forcing it down your throat
@jittercritter3 жыл бұрын
Honestly yeah. It would be awesome to have a protagonist that rejects all of these issues, bc they have been a problem in like every single arc
@devi---3 жыл бұрын
i stopped reading the series after squilf's hope.. it really messed me up inside after i just had a bad abuse situation with a family member
@random35452 жыл бұрын
that’s so true. after brambleclaw became protagonist it became messy, drama-filled and annoying.
@goldenretrieversarethebest81192 жыл бұрын
i agree with some of the things you said but not all of them. Personally I think the formula just got old.
@KiwiDrawz2 жыл бұрын
This is why when I revisit Warriors I don't go any further past A Vision Of Shadows. The series has gotten way to complicated going further than just Clan cats living under the guidance of their ancestors it's now going in all different directions like POSESSION?! Have they really run out of ideas that they now dig in to all this supernatural stuff why can't it just be simple anymore with a character vs a villain with no big plot holes left
@cyanide_crow79704 жыл бұрын
I still remember the line "she needed someone to match her fire, not contain it" and BOY THAT HASNT AGED WELL LMAOOOOOOO
@turtlespeedrunner3 жыл бұрын
Recently read that book and yeah ._.
@arkenasarfro2 жыл бұрын
yep, match her fire by completely putting it out.
@PicklesNickles2 жыл бұрын
I feel like bramble didn't exactly contain her fire more like violently stomped it out
@someoneimsure4 жыл бұрын
"being annoying is never an excuse to treat someone badly" As someone who finds Squirrelpaw annoying, I AGREE.
@autvmnn.4 жыл бұрын
@@OldSquirrelflight she is "not lile the other she-cats"
@autvmnn.4 жыл бұрын
@@OldSquirrelflight it was a joke lmao I'm aaying shes more entertaining and makes a better protagonist because shes "not like the other she-cats" she's a new personality in these books
@autvmnn.4 жыл бұрын
@@OldSquirrelflight yes, i agree she's better
@autvmnn.4 жыл бұрын
@@OldSquirrelflight ok
@Wurmss4 жыл бұрын
@@OldSquirrelflight oh I've written a very long au for squirrelflight! I like turning cats into more villian like characters cuz I like those but basically the au is about squirrel taking back control in he relationship by killing off or taking the things bramble loves most and having leaf make up some prophecy on how StarClan disapproves of him and how StarClan would never accept him.
@rosefawn4 жыл бұрын
I have never liked brambleclaw, I was so confused why everyone liked him since he was just so horrible to everyone. Bramblestar made him so unbearable I physically cannot stand him
@ohmicahmicah4 жыл бұрын
Then sit down
@Silver-yh9hk4 жыл бұрын
@@ohmicahmicah xD
@plutossky75344 жыл бұрын
Honestly same. Unlike with other characters he never grew on me. He annoyed me so much. I'm glad this video exists.
@heyheydjhdj4 жыл бұрын
Same i hate him-
@andreafleming72964 жыл бұрын
Lilrose Fawn When i was younger reading the books i related to him because i didnt want to be affiliated with my father because of certain reasons 😅