Most College Graduates are Morons

[@tubalcain6874]

My late father was a machinist and an old WWII era guy. He once told me about a guy he worked with back in the day. The guy was in a managerial role and seemed competent at it. But he was eventually terminated because it was discovered that the guy in fact didn’t have a college degree. When asked why he had falsified his credentials the guy replied “you asked me if I’d ever been to college and I said yes, I’ve been to college. I once took a tour of the University of Minnesota, so yes, I’ve been to a college” 😂

[@adammcallister9675]

Bunch of college grads fell for that hAhahahahah

[@trevorking2820]

Lmao

[@Lostcontroller]

WOW! Ivy League book smart people have no common sense. More at 11.

[@bunnyboo6295]

but the man never lied he was good at the job no reason to get rid of him

[@vani-lla]

They proved that a non college educated person could do the job. Terminating him just puts more egg on their own faces.

[@advancedomega]

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals will believe in them.” -- George Orwell

[@KieteDech]

That's such a good quote.

[@needparalegal]

He predicted pretty much everything we have today.

[@1m2a3t4t5]

true but were not even speaking of intellectuals, common college normals

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Can confirm, am so big brain that I still have faith in my fellow man to be respectable, admirable sentient beings. Which is, perhaps, a mistake.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Intellectuals can readily believe in stupid ideas if they are taken with them, if they resonate with them. They will then start to rationalise and justify their decision to themselves. And that's how it happens, I think.

[@patrickyoungmark2005]

I'm 44 and remember teachers saying "enjoy being a garbage man" as an insult for students who didnt want to go to college. Well a friend ended up working for Waste Management and made more than any teacher with amazing benefits. I looked into working there and it's harder to get the job than get into most colleges.

[@TheDruzza]

Bro i worked for veolia for a bit. The tip truck drivers earned a fortune

[@chavonjames8941]

I respect garbage people hella, same w janitors. That’s a job I look at and can’t see myself doing it

[@thefrog4990]

That's hilarious and amazing.

[@dickspits8819]

@Chavon James I'm a very high paid Janitor $80,ooo a year I never went to college my job experience got me in. My job is dirty & disgusting but not very back breaking and I actually love it (Not to mention no toxic women)

[@MephiticMiasma]

"be thankful there are people willing to take care of your garbage"

[@karlstrauss2330]

Since graduating high school I’ve worked in retail, security, clerical and janitorial roles while attending my local community college. I showed up on time to work everyday, worked 40 hours plus on a regular basis, worked various side hustles and never bought any fancy cars, watches or shoes. I’m about to turn 33 and I’m still living paycheck to paycheck working two jobs with mediocre wages despite living a minimalist lifestyle. It’s nice having no debt and I’m blessed in that regard, but fuck man this economy sucks and has major systemic issues, even for the people doing everything right.

[@RogerWareInc]

Try getting into pest control. Pays pretty decent plus commissions for getting customers. Honest work. Lots of OT available during peak season. Takes a few months to get down the basics but afterward you're off on your own and hardly see your boss

[@rogerm3708]

You may have a good 15 years to improve your situation. By the time most men hit their mid 40's, they are looking forward to slowing down. I started losing my drive in my late 40's. Not that i couldn't work extra hours, I didn't want to anymore

[@karlstrauss2330]

@@rogerm3708 I’m already starting to feel burned out and tired of working haha

[@trueblueclue]

Dude you're a lover jumping from dead end to dead end. Get a clue.

[@karlstrauss2330]

@@trueblueclue dead end low wage job interviews are the only job interviews that I ever get called back for. I don’t have an IQ of 140 like Aaron Clarey does, I’m not smart enough to major in STEM and I don’t have artistic talent to become a famous musician. We are living in Huxley’s brave new world where a small number of geniuses are having all the fun at the top while a gigantic underclass working in a slave wage economy toils underneath.

[@richktp1]

I am sure StarCucks really appreciates all their college educated Baristas.

[@kazumakiryuu2668]

StarCucks Starbucks

[@anotherabeer4341]

As a 70’s college girl I can’t begin to fathom the financial burden of getting a degree today. My Masters degree in Library Science cost my daddy about $2,000. Inflation calculator says it’s $9,000 in today’s dollars.

[@magnushelin007]

How much does colleges charge for that degree today?

[@anotherabeer4341]

@@magnushelin007 I went to Berkeley which doesn’t even offer the same degree any longer but I know other universities now charge $20,000 for it. So it has become twice as expensive. And speaking of my alma mater, my undergrad Liberal Arts degree at Berkeley must have been dirt cheap because my parents were only middle-class and never once mentioned cost to me. The kids I know whose parents couldn’t help pay would just get jobs in the dormitory cafeteria to cover all costs. Nobody I met graduated with debt!! Debt was just for lucrative postgraduate degrees like medical school or law school. I CANNOT COPE WITH TODAY’S COSTS THEY ARE A SCAM!!!

[@vcv6560]

@@anotherabeer4341 I think the (one of many) underlying issue is college costs raise at a rate far exceeding inflation and wage growth. Even taxpayer supported state universities (Cal Berkeley for example) hasn't escaped.

[@Masami_Salami]

You could if you pulled out that calculator again. It's actually quite simple. Presuming a 3% interest rate (on average) over the course of 10 years, with compounding interest, at a cost of $10,000 USD yearly, for a four-year degree, we get the following: 40000*(1.03^10) = $53,756.66 USD. If you wanted to actually finish this in ten years (120 months) then you would be paying approximately $447.97 per month spread out over 120 months. For some people, this is basically their mortgage payment (aside from property taxes, maintenance, utilities, etc).

[@yoyoclockEbay]

You can't get a Master's Degree for $9,000

[@helenamccarthy6174]

"Education doesn't work, that's why I'm going to college. To get power." This was probably the most accidentally honest thing I've heard from someone getting a worthless degree lol

[@mark7362]

That and "KILL WHITEY!!" Lol

[@bushy9780]

This is a bigger problem than anyone realizes. Too many people, especially those in power, rely on calls to authority to make arguments and use these degrees as authority. We are basically at a point where indoctrination has supplanted knowledge/wisdom.

[@guillermorobledo2842]

depends on what you study.

[@rickmerritt8273]

I’ve hired for jobs that didn’t require a degree and instantly filtered out anyone with a liberal arts degrees.

[@Vulture1738]

The route of community College to do bullshit GEs and intro classes to then transfer to 4yr university is incredibly underrated

[@GenerationApollo]

Overemphasis on formal education, as the only viable path to prosperity, is the problem. Result is young people graduate at age 22-25 with almost no life experience outside of structured learning environments. Then they get to 30 with only a few years of actual adulthood under their belts. Then we act surprised when so many young people have trouble coping with reality. Education is fine but it’s no substitute for good old fashioned experience, whether it’s on the job or life itself.

[@badass6300]

Absolutely true, the education system produces useless people and wastes 12-20 years of people's lives and their youth. If parents didn't neglect their children to the education system, but made them self-educate and sent them to private courses, by the time those kids were 16-18 they would be highly skilled and knowledgeable experts in one engineering field, OR one trade, OR commerce OR law. I have many friends, acquaintances and people I know who got an engineering job During high school or right after high school and now at the age of 22-25 are earning 3-5x the average salary, all because they skipped school and self-educate and went to free courses.

[@tommyvercetti9322]

at 22 -23 years Old you already have 4-5 years experience in Life I think it's depends on the person

[@shaunsteele8244]

@@tommyvercetti9322 not if you've been in college full time

[@nathanpierre1868]

@@badass6300 You cannot be an engineer(Eng.) without a university degree from an institution that is recognized by the regulating body for the country you are practicing engineering in. You're full of shit. Any field of work that is regulated by a public institution requires some kind of degree to be qualified to do that work. Law, Medicine, Engineering....you need some type of relevant degree. No if ands or buts, anything else is shit talk.

[@untilwemeetagain_]

I'll never forgive my parents for forcing me down the college route (and my own stupidity for not just telling them to F off). It was 100% in service of their egos (specifically my father). I had terrible grades in high school but was a self-taught IT guy just playing with stuff in my bedroom. Went to ITT Tech and was told I could just test out of most stuff because I already understood it. Looking back, I could have graduated from there in a year or two and been getting paid fat cash with zero debt. If you're young, ignore all the social BS and your parents. I beg you. The amount of life I've wasted just paying interest on pointless loans is deeply disturbing. The whole thing is a trap designed to limit you like the boomers. Don't fall for it.

[@TheDruzza]

Bro i got the same treatment… forced down the university path so my parents could use me as bragging rights. I ended up with a useless degree and have struggled since. Dont speak to both of them now.. fkn pricks

[@karakondzula1388]

I went trough something similar, with the difference that i was very tough to deal with and I dropped out from college but still for quite a while i pursued freelance IT career guiding from my parents, environment and mainstream. Now i work as a manual laborer and i worked as a brick layer, handyman, and even as a smuggler. I enjoyed all these jobs a lot, freelancing design and programming from home was the biggest torture of my life, thank god i wasted only one year on education and one year in Freelance. My life improved so much since i gave up on that bullshit. I feel like a real man doing manual labor , everyone respects me more and i earn far more money since nobody wants to do these jobs these days. To this day so many dumb people that i meet assume i have a degree or that i should’ve earn one for some dumb social status. I always look at these people with pity.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

@@karakondzula1388 Good for you. Intellectualism and Intellectual m*sturbation seems to be one of the big traps of the modern world. If I go to college, it'll be a subject with a practical application, like agriculture.

[@prico3358]

Bs, you wanted to tell tour parents to F off. And do what instead? Scratch your balls for a long time. You can only blame your parents if you were actually prevented from doing something.. not what you might have done. And also you must have had success right now to be able to blame your parents.. if you are a looser now, ylu cant blame your parents anymore.. its not fair

[@SimicChameleon]

ITT tech is a predatory for profit school. Glad you doing IT work.

[@puffthestuff7445]

I had a serious drug problem from 16-25. I feel like I've overcome this aspect of my life now but I'm still paying for my mistakes. I've been plumbing for 4 years now. Im saving up money. Can't wait til I'm making 6 figures plus. Shouldn't be very long now.

[@ryanhumphrey5821]

Good on you for getting your shit together!!! Keep going.

[@jadam4036]

You’re so amazing ❤🎉

[@skatetrooper5285]

In some places or cities plumbing can easily makes hell of a lot of money. My neighbor is a plumber and he makes 85k up to 100k a year!

[@millabasset1710]

I couldn't commit to college, started with art school back in 2011 and completed one year and decided to pull out(do not regret this decision) I also completed 2 years of tech school at 24 and was able to make a comfy income for a little bit, was never satisfied or happy. I'm 29 and decided opening my own business was the only way to have happiness in my life. I understand that when you are your own boss. it's a 24/7 job, but the ability to completely control everything is worth it in the long run. I think videos like this could be better, we shouldn't be calling college kids morons; keep in mind we're all brainwashed with this notion that college makes you a better person. The dorm experience is also inefficient, I worked a part time job on top of a 50 hour class schedule week and it destroyed me; even at the unripe age of 18 where I had a ton of energy. I worked at Dunkin Donuts, opened crack of dawn and couldn't get sleep because my room mates partied in the dorm and not the gigantic basement center 3 floors down, I don't want that experience for my kids.

[@uther236]

here in Brazil a lot of people with a degree in engineering often drive uber to survive.

[@briann3211]

Nossa que coisas hein

[@unholyiiamas]

I finished my Ph.D. last year. The amount of stupid and lazy people that I saw obtain master's and doctoral degrees during that time is truly frightening.

[@Pwn3540]

It’s really not just a college problem. I’ve worked in blue collar jobs before going to school and most people there are ALSO lazy and stupid. It’s like that anywhere you go.

[@unholyiiamas]

@@Pwn3540 I agree that it is not solely a college problem. However, college graduates are more likely to think they are intelligent just because they got a degree.

[@penitenttangent7346]

Congrats putting yourself in the debt trap. Hope it took a PhD to realize how much you’ll really regret it!

[@unholyiiamas]

@@penitenttangent7346 my Ph.D was not only free, but I was paid to do it. Thanks for showing your ignorance, though.

[@penitenttangent7346]

@@unholyiiamas No problem, still did and made more than cram oneself in books and staring at screens!

[@vcv6560]

Close friend, known since 8th grade attitude after HS was "I didn't like taking those classes, couldn't see also paying for them." We're both about retirement age. He's partner in a flooring business, has both a rental and the primary home paid off. 'Nuff said.

[@shaunsteele8244]

that was pretty much my attitude after HS as well

[@WizdaVision]

This guy is so ahead in life, he is literally soaring above the clouds. If anything the biggest problem you'll face, is having way too many choices. That $40,000 buys you so much financial freedom, that you could literally do just about anything. Most people your age, can't even fathom having that much money in their bank account. Honestly, the world is your oyster and I'm super jelly, but also happy for you. Just don't eff it up, by doing something stupid, like go into debt, or having kids you can't afford. Congratulations! You've pretty much won the game of life, and on speed run setting. Now go enjoy The Menu.

[@mark7362]

you know I hear wonderful things about Bloomingdales' executive training program

[@Thalanox]

Wait... what does the $40k buy?

[@militantpacifist4087]

To be honest, I’m finding more useful to work at a hardware store than going to college because at the hardware store that I’m working at I’m learning things that are actually useful, from both my coworkers and the costumers, and I can apply that knowledge outside of work as well; unlike college which is useless and a big waste of my time, my money and my energy. At work I’m pretty much getting paid by learning and doing my job at the same time. It’s a big win-win.

[@MapleovBacon]

Working in the electric aisle at home depot, I now understand much more about plumbing pipes because people cant understand what departments are

[@annyer262]

open Saturday afternoon and half on Sunday, and be nice to you customers and have knowledgeable staff. Then a hardware store will do very well, even if there is a home depot close by. You go to a hardware store for the service and the knowledge! Not necessarily for the price!

[@FailedChadLite]

Got an accounting degree and honestly learned so much practical knowledge. It’s still a decent degree because young people don’t have the patience for it because it’s so boring.

[@hornetguy9063]

I went to a college with a massive accounting program. So many accountants. I couldn't stand it, it was the most boring topic (I much preferred corporate finance and the like). But how can you hate on it when the average grad is already making $70k+ by the time they're 25? Not to mention understanding the high level corporate stuff gives you a ton of skills to make career moves with.

[@IamINERT]

Doing that rn So boring , good god man

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

@@hornetguy9063 and it's easy money.

[@hornetguy9063]

@@Chironex_Fleckeri For sure. I have to keep retraining in my analytics/data science career. Accountants, they learn the thing and they just do it for years.

[@davidirizarry5367]

Agree. I went into accounting and now make $126k, 8 years later. Don’t know how I got so lucky, but unless you get a degree with that kind of return, college is a waste of time.

[@pod9363]

40k at 21 is mental to me. That's incredible. Im 27 goin on 28 and I'm still trying to crack 10k lol.

[@jaioncebollero1168]

Not to talk bad about him, I don’t know him of course but it’s possible all he’s had to do with his money was save it and buy what he wanted. Pretty easy to save 40k if that’s the case

[@andyxia2619]

Where tf do you live

[@4tonmike]

I'm 38 and still have a negative net worth

[@mikesteelheart]

Who cares, what are you gonna do with 40k? Our society doesn't reward savers, you can't even live off the interest of a million in the bank anymore.

[@pod9363]

@@mikesteelheart well he’s got the micro fuck-you money so he can skip working for assholes part. Can also safely relocate and take care of bills.

[@deltacharlieecho4732]

I've got a mid 140s IQ and I couldn't finish college because I became disillusioned with the system due to a huge number of bad professors. The people I see graduating and getting jobs in medical and psych scare the living shit out of me. I have met people, that I'm fairly certain are literally dumber than certain kinds of rocks, that have somehow managed to obtain a degree in their field.

[@ryansampey]

Same, almost dropped after three years for the same reason, and that's on a full academic scholarship, had to transfer from a stem school to business due to bad professors. Most of my current professors are millionaires that want to teach for fun so I've stuck it out but the organization of the program Is laughable. Half the teachers are subliminally telling us to reject certain business narratives other teachers influenced more by the system "bankers, researchers, consultants" want us to believe. It's pretty sickening

[@andresaguero5880]

You can just be fairly certain.

[@connorperrett9559]

Many people in psych fields are on tons of meds and would go insane if they were forced to confront who they are inside.

[@jackyjack9660]

I like how you mentioned your iq.. 😂

[@jackyjack9660]

@@connorperrett9559 care to explain.. Please

[@richardross7219]

I graduated with a Bachelors in Civil Engineering in 1975. Your title is true. Some of the smartest men that I've known, never went to college and I've known plenty of educated idiots. I enjoyed being a Civil Engineer for my career. I worked my way through school and only owed the Army 8 years of duty. I had 15 weeks of take home pay in savings. Shortly before I retired, I was talking to an Operating Engineer Union Representative on a big project. We had been stationed at the same post but I was 10 years earlier than him. We were talking compensation one day. We both made the same hourly but he got time and a half and he had much better retirement. I could have gone the tradesman route but I am an engineer to the bone. For most young guys a trade is a better choice. Earn as you learn. Good Luck, Rick

[@charlespatterson8412]

One of the few degrees that actually still hold 'value,' - but you did not need me to tell you that. Congratulations!

[@richardross7219]

@@charlespatterson8412 I'm very lucky. My Dad taught me to work hard and do my best at whatever I'm doing. I survived the Army(barely) and made it to retirement at age 59. The sad thing for me, is that my son is an electrical engineer(BSEE) who hasn't found a job. The places are going all out for diversity so a tall white male isn't wanted. Maybe its just as well with all of the crazy stuff that's happening. I lost out on a job 13 years ago to an unqualitied woman. She had no idea what she was doing and eventually was fired. I still will not cross that bridge. Good Luck, Rick

[@badass6300]

Don't compare the pre-2000 to the post-2000 job market. Most engineering jobs were much simpler with much less information in them. Also you most likely started at a bottom position that required further learning of your field, that is a sign of a garbage education system. I recommend Weapons of Mass Indoctrination.

[@needparalegal]

Engineering is the last field to become corrupted. Most engineers still vote Republican.

[@needparalegal]

@@charlespatterson8412 I wouldn't say that. My Mechanical Engineering degree was almost worthless. Qualified me to be a patent attorney, but I am always passed over whenever they can get an Electrical Engineer, Computer Science (unless the patent is for a circuit or silicon gate structure) or Physics major.

[@four-en-tee]

I think we're all idiots in our own ways. Its what it means to be human.

[@Masami_Salami]

18:06 You have $40K in your pocket while most graduates have roughly $40K in student loans. You're actually ahead by roughly $80K.

[@idiotengineer3925]

I actually used to feel a pang of guilt using my gi bill for engineering school until i met the president of the bipoc club who was getting her masters in social work. Full ride off race scholarships, led BLM protests, and her parents bought her a brand new $40k hybrid Rav4 after she graduated.

[@exvan3571]

Excellent. Pick some meat off the carcass.

[@saaah707]

Why would you feel guilty for using the GI Bill?

[@3-dreticle826]

As a blk man this is hilarious because our women completely sold us out while aligning themselves w/ white liberals & the rainbow ppl. They only use us a political pawn. The guys that support them are beta simps and most like rainbow undercover if not openly.

[@Davidpostingshid]

Why would you feel guilty?

[@gino14]

@@saaah707 There are people who drown in student loan debt, and thirdworlder parents who would commit literal murder for a chance at sending their kids to college. Meanwhile if you were a PoG(non-frontline soldier) in a relatively non-difficult job, or for whatever reason didn't see your time in service as a worthwhile suffering for the blessing of free college, it can be difficult to shake off the feeling that it was wasted on you. Of course, this all hinges on the assumption that everyone in college were indeed not overprivileged kids with rich parents who think they know hardship better than even our most paper-thin servicemembers.

[@mattl1811]

I make more with my 2 year degree in aviation than anyone in my family or friends group with bachelors and MBA's, and it wasn't even all that difficult. I did the things most others wouldn't do with a good attitude, and had integrity. I now have a life I could never have dreamed of. Degrees are nice, but skills pay bills!

[@Kyosukedono]

"School is a large, babysitting operation cause your parents didn't want to home school you" My God.... never in my life has anyone pointed this out so eloquently and without any fluff. I've been trying FOR YEARS to tell people how school is major ass but now I have a concise way to say it. I got freaking goosebumps, Subscribe so hard my mouse broke.

[@RwandaBob]

college was the worst time of my life, and i had a full scholarship and am debt free i couldn’t imagine if i went and had to pay for it all

[@PooPooPooPlatter-1]

I never really wanted to go to college as I've always had trouble in school, I could do the work just fine but I was never motivated to do them, and I knew college would be the exact same but cost a ton more. I was pushed into it by my parents as they wanted the best for me in the future so I tried it, but came back with the same result. I went to an online college for a bit which was basically paid for by the city because my dad is a firefighter. Eventually I told them that I no longer want to go to college and they were fine with it as long as I was working. I have always felt ashamed that I never went the college route and was still living with my parents but this video changed that perspective. Thank you

[@namelessyusul3448]

I’m in school and I agree with this vid. I am a senior (finance student about to get my sheepskin), and I have been working throughout my post secondary education. I knew that students were dumb simply because none of them really understood how the debt grows and how much money most people tend to make in the beginning of their careers (not profitable). Also, one female student got on my case for talking about Korean culture with my friends which was painful because I am half. What really sold me on the teachers being stupid was one of many moments in class. My operations management professor was trying to educate us on dealing with employee relations and conflict management. He asked us what we would do after giving assignments/responsibilities to employees if they decided to be insubordinate. Other students said “write him up,” which he agreed with. Now I have been an Operations Manager since I was a sophomore. I suggested that the best solution is to talk to him so you can: find the personal problem, understand employee psychology, and find an active/optimal solution. My reasoning was that paperwork in management gives us extra work that is tedious and doesnt accomplish the day’s labor. Employees dont like getting written up (not that it doesnt have a time or place). Actually engaging with your employees gets them to respect you and want to work for you (it’s why people way older than me actually show up everyday to work for me). Writing people up excessively or unnecessarily disengages your workers. But despite this, my professor was adamant that my reasoning was irrelevant because it was the employee’s job to do what is instructed. Needless to say, it is absolutely true that colleges are loaded with ignorantly educated students and teachers.

[@LukSter18998]

brooo that all really sucks

[@aremsalaatin8217]

I agree with your suggestion. Besides, even if said employees have their instructions and assignments, they're still people that have voices and feelings.

[@andysworld9287]

120k for a participation degree? Nah I’m good.

[@thebwoods15]

I get in a "I don't want to do anything" mindset easily. College pushes me to do more and work harder. That's why I think it is good. But I can understand that many people are probably smart enough to do something great without going to college. But I feel good for finishing college.

[@jannellicoleman7822]

Good for you and congrats, I am finally going back to school after 2 decades of telling myself I was too stupid. Lack of discipline is really a beast

[@ephraim804]

Yep. These days it's a serious impediment to success. I got a degree in chemistry back in the late 70's and finished it off in the mid 80's. The degree didn't put me in debt and there was no room for nonsense in the science and math classes, but even so, chemistry was a disappointing path to take. If I were a young man today, I would definitely learn a trade and develop my skills in sales. No matter what you do in life, being able to sell yourself and/or your product (or service) is essential. A skilled saleman who does his homework can lead a fabulous life; a lazy salesman will have a hell of a time making ends meet. Same with the trades. Do your homework and be the best you can be with your skills and you'll do just fine and never lack for work.

[@connorperrett9559]

I've met pharmacy chemists who make good money. Did you not get into that path?

[@ephraim804]

@@connorperrett9559 I went into analytical chemistry; the pay is middle of the road. The disappointing aspect of it all was the corporate nonsense that one has to deal with, which takes all the joy and discovery out of the work. Really, I've done better than some, worse than others. Also, on those ocassions when I attempted to get into organic synthesis, or materials development, or other similar, closely related fields, it was fairly common that I would get a comment such as 'oh, you're an analytical chemist. We don't have any openeings in analytical chemistry at the moment.' To which I would reply 'yes, I understand; I'm not looking for a position as an analytical chemist, I'm interested in (fill in the blank).' The interviewer would then dilly-dally a bit and send me off with 'We'll call you when an opening is available in the QC lab.' It felt like I was trying to teach calculus to a horse.

[@mr.giraffe7076]

I was a pre-med major. My grades where mediocre. So I knew I had to retake my courses. I figured either I spend 80-90 hours a week studying in a room alone. Reading stuff I found boring. For the next 10-12 years. Then work like hell at a subpar wage for a soulless corporate hospital for a crap wage. Or I can drive a truck around for 15 years. Listen to stuff I'm interested in. See beautiful countryside. Meet interesting people. And make 100k a year (considering you have to work 80-90 hours a week to make 100k). Studying the sciences is hell on earth. Plus there is the debt. 3 years of Medical school plus 5 years of undergrad work will set you back about 400k. Debt you have to pay back on top of your wages. So you essentially have to make 800k to pay back the 400k. Which will probably take you a decade considering you might want to actually spend your money on life. So it would take you about 20 years to come back to a point of financial comfort as a doctor.

[@Ashaweshk]

Had a guy who graduated "Harvard" couldn't even change a tire or work a wrench. Lol 🤣

[@darkmattergamesofficial]

Wasn't a waste of time for me. I studied Computer Science and Roman History. Now I make ancient warfare themed videogames and started my own company. It is purely what you make of it. Go to college but really learn and use your free time to build something meaningful!

[@ILoveSaintBernards]

Tell me more about the game you're developing. I am a PC gamer. 🙂

[@darkmattergamesofficial]

@@ILoveSaintBernards It's Warlord: Britannia on Steam! Released it right after graduating this spring. Now I am hard at work on updates!

[@prestonpetterson4990]

It’s hard to get your foot in the door with a lot of valuable well paying jobs without a degree. If you go learn a skill at a college that the job market is in need for (like you said about accounting), it’s not useless.

[@jdek88]

Take a year off after college and work. Save money. It won’t be super fun, but it will pay off. Then go to community college or figure out what you really want to do. Continue to do that. The best part about college is networking. And even most of those relationships fall off. And for the people who want to party… yes it is fun in college. I didn’t party in college. Dropped out after 3 years. And now I’ll party on the weekends. There’s plenty of time to party

[@Shadow_Sonata]

Compare universities from the Renaissance to the 1800's to now. Look at the subjects covered, requirements and results and you wonder why anyone would waste money and time at these adult daycare / indoctrination centers.

[@Thane36425]

College meant may have meant something over 100 years ago before it became big business. That started in the 1920s or so. Even so, only about 7 or 8 percent of people went and that held until probably the 60s. Still a lot of boneheads got their papers. Now it's about 40%, maybe more. People didn't suddenly get that much smarter or better educated. It's College, Inc. filling seats to get that tuition money.

[@australianpsycho44]

ha ha university industrial complex

[@badass6300]

The education system was always garbage, it's just that jobs were far simpler and had far less information in the past and 95%+ of them required just one month to one year on the job training. University was meant to shrink the pool of candidates for the companies to filter through people easier, as is to this day, but nowadays to a lesser extent

[@hornetguy9063]

Any school whose median SAT score of freshman entrants is below 1150 or so should be considered on the chopping block. Graduation rates seem to fall off a cliff for schools around that point.

[@Thane36425]

@@hornetguy9063 However, a lot of the others allow legacy students and grades for pay.

[@needparalegal]

It was still a good investment until the late 1990s. Still worth millions if you got into an elite school, though eventually their Woke Based power will collapse and names like Harvard will not be golden tickets.

[@shootingbricks8554]

For the young guys and gals, if you choose the military route, do not let them choose your job or MOS for you. This is as bad as going to college without a plan. Plus, the GI Bill can be used for vocational education. Want to be an electrician when you get out of the military? Why not be one in the military instead of a grunt? Become an electrician then if you get out of the military you still have that skill to use in the civilian sector.

[@danielagallego9875]

If you don't know what you want to do with your life after high school, definitely DON'T jump into college or trade school immediately because chances are you're still not going to have a clue halfway through, several thousand dollars later. I ended up going through with the degree I was pushed into (which I consider useless), even though I didn't enjoy it and could BS a paper the night before and still get a decent grade, because I didn't know any better. I wanted to work part-time both during high school and college so I could earn some income and gain experience, but both of my parents insisted that school was my job and I should dedicate myself to my studies so that later I could work without stress. I understand why they pushed that, as they both worked their butts off in education and realty in order to provide my disabled brother and I a life with minimal stress, and I appreciate them for their thoughtfulness--but I feel that I really missed out. I ended up substitute teaching for 5 years and in that time attempted to earn both my Master's degree and teaching credentials, but realized only 1 year in (and $10,000 later) that I couldn't do it--the passion wasn't coming through as I thought it would. So I ended up dropping out, much to my parent's anger and chagrin, and eventually lost both my regular job plus an after-school tutoring and weekend Spanish teacher job when the "Modelovirus" lockdowns started. I had God looking out for me because an old friend called me up and informed me that he was looking to hire for a tech project involving UCLA, and I accepted--even though at that point I wasn't deep into the tech sphere and was worried I wouldn't be able to keep up. I was worried for nothing--I was given training on the spot and impressed the higher ups enough that they moved me to another assignment with more pay. Now I'm about to start a new, better job next month after conducting a video interview with potential employers, and they were far more impressed with my skills than any fancy piece of stationary. Like others have said here, college can be valuable but ONLY IF YOU GO IN WITH A CONCRETE PLAN. That means doing all of your GE classes at community college and then transferring them to the college of your choice (or staying at CC and getting an equally valuable Associate's), and sticking to your career path. As for idiot instructors...don't get me started there. I'll just say that if you feel college will help you, understand that it's a high-risk investment and that it isn't for everyone, and the same goes for trade schools. Don't be afraid to jump ship if it isn't working out, but be prepared to pay back the money you used if you took out a loan. I should also say that skills are far more valuable to an employer--my degree had absolutely no bearing on the tech skills I learned and continue to teach myself. If you have any downtime and don't know what to do, why not look up the most valued certifications on the market? The exam is leagues cheaper than the whole degree and there are free resources you can use to teach yourself. I wasted a lot of time, but at least I have enough of a foothold (and several certifications under my belt) to stay above water, and as a result have finally found a field I'm passionate about.

[@AidenRKrone]

I chose not to go to college, nor did I choose to go to trade school. Neither of them were right for me. Right out of high school, at the age of 18, I decided to enter the private sector workforce. I've been working what would be considered an "entry-level job" for the past six years. And I'm also on track to being promoted to supervisor. I supplement my income by buying and selling numismatic coins. I make enough money to live by myself, and I make enough money to afford all my hobbies. College isn't for everyone, nor is trade school.

[@connorperrett9559]

Based and coinpilled.

[@jkbrown5496]

"But, I want to go to the other end of the spectrum, which is intellectual services. It used to be, if you wave your Bachelor's degree, you're going to get a great job. When I graduated from college, it was a sure thing that you'd get a great job. And, in college, you'd basically learned artificial intelligence, meaning, you carried out the instructions that the faculty member gave you. You memorized the lectures, and you were tested on your memory in the exams. That's what a computer does. It basically memorizes what you tell it to do. But now, with a computer doing all those mundane, repetitive intellectual tasks, if you're expecting to do well in the job market, you have to bring, you have to have real education. Real education means to solve problems that the faculty who teach don't really know how to solve." --Econtalk podcast with economist Ed Leamer, April 13, 2020

[@badass6300]

Very true. Not to mention that the education system sucks, it wastes 12-20 years of your life and your youth and people come out useless.

[@Masami_Salami]

If these professors could teach people how to solve novel problems, they might have more incentive to compete with their students over the same jobs.

[@hornetguy9063]

Yup, 100% correct. I work in data science and machine learning. A lot of projects that used to require a ton of analysis and research, you can literally throw a model on it and it'll do a better job than the analysts. And bear in mind that the people who secured a job title like "analyst" are usually on the higher end of the intellectual spectrum already. Now imagine what is happening to the people working on even easier tasks.

[@klein2252]

Up until now I couldn’t prove that college was stupid. Thanks to Biden’s bailout, now I can.

[@mattw4461]

Its like when Squares think they're cool because they have tattoos. Tattoos stopped being cool to me when my little sister got one back in 96

[@pbj3351]

Trade school is where I started and became a truck driver, best career choice I ever made. If anyone is reading the comments and are in highschool. Take your time, everything this guy is saying is TRUE. Thank you

[@Crimbtw]

I’m currently a senior in high school. The clock is ticking. I want to do something with video editing and in the future, I could focus and branch out to photography and videography. So far, I’ve researched film schools and quickly found out how expensive and scammy they are. I decided to look for an alternative. A college with a program in editing. Narrowed it down to one college, a community college. Multimedia studies to be exact, yet I feel as though it would be a waste of time. I also feel pressure from my parents, older siblings, and teachers to apply to college. To do something meaningful. I’ve already made my mind up, I’m not going to college. Instead, I decided to apply for a part-time job and freelance on the side. I understand that it gets stressful and the pay can be inconsistent, but it’s what I want to do. I'm still young and naive… might as well give it a go. Tldr: I’m considering freelancing

[@Melbester9]

@@Crimbtw You don't need to go to film school to know how to film. Many KZbinrs don't even go to film school. I knew one KZbinr I watch for video games reviews and he went to film school. But film school is expensive. You can learn all of that on KZbin for free. Or find other places where you can learn how to film at a fraction of cost or free. KZbinrs learned how to fllm on their own and with learning years of experience.

[@dingleberrypie6612]

I didn't got to college. Never married and no kids Still work the same trade job I started at 16. At 36 I have 100k saved. 200k invested in retirement. A house half paid off. If I don't buy a better house with more land, I will be able to retire in 10 years at 45. I wish I could have kids, but at this point I have to much to lose.

[@luisd5098]

Smart.

[@SuperBajesus]

Winning

[@austinscott4695]

Keep going bro

[@tanzilhossain2693]

Adopt a kid bro

[@dingleberrypie6612]

@@tanzilhossain2693 maybe someday if I can ever cut back on work. Running a business requires 60+ hours of work a week.

[@SimicChameleon]

Aaron Clarey is right. I am in the progress of an electrical engineering degree for six years and you are not missing out. I rather take an apprenticeship or the trades instead because they are paid to work and have better opportunities. The high school world is nonsense and you are best off being debt free in the real world. I know someone who is older than me and demands a bailout from their worthless degree. 20 percent are majoring in the stem, trades, or practical degrees. The bs phrase "Follow your art and money follows" is an equalized of a simp that demands respect from others despite what they don't want to do with them. Best to work at a job and save a lot of funds for mutual funds or 401k. Learn a freelance job, hustle on work and make some money. Improve your work experience for the resume and you will be seen trustworthy by a job hire.

[@needparalegal]

Engineering is not the magic ticket they were selling decades ago.

[@ronaldsuarez6389]

Why you say that ?

[@SimicChameleon]

@@ronaldsuarez6389 Let says if the engineering degree didn't work out in practice or job market replace by non USA workers. The trades would be plan b.

[@robertbell525]

I graduated college in 1991 with a BS in business. Totally agree, it was a waste of time. The two years I went to comm college were more productive, getting the basic classes like English (not so needed as I could already talk and write), econ, public speaking and math. What was really needed were intensive classes on computers to teach spreadsheets, word processing and presentation. Believe me, when I graduated I thought I was the shizzle until I got assigned some project that ended up requiring very heavy Lotus 123 use. Had to teach myself, get some books, and became a master at it. It was humbling. Everything and I mean everything at the university was a joke. I was fortunate that back then it was cheap enough that my dad could pay for it. But every time I had a week off, and at Christmas, spring and summer breaks, I was working 50 hours a week to bank some funds. I also commuted from my college apt to my job which was a good 40 miles each way. Awake at 5am out by 530, at my desk at 630 and working until 5pm. While everyone else was at South Padre or Daytona drinking and fornicating, I was working. Throughout my career I have never had a job that a high school grad with some computer expertise could not do. It's all on the job learning and experience. Unfortunately you need a degree to open the door. But unless you are in some very scientific discipline, a degree is meaningless in the real world. Once you have real world experience in that first job your degree got you, what your degree is and where you got it is irrelevant.

[@charlespatterson8412]

People who come out alive after college; who are only mildly addicted to 2 drugs are 'doing pretty good' and are at least ahead of most of their peers - who soon 'find out' they are not only 'Homeless' -but are also *Major drug addicts.*

[@4tonmike]

Sedated and dependent. Controlled.

[@JM-nt5fm]

Huge amount of the population is addicted to Alcohol. Another significant portion is addicted to prescription medications like amphetamines, SSRI's, pain relievers, etc. Good luck finding a woman who isn't a drug addict. It's insane.

[@idk-fu5bz]

you got a major in drug addiction, i got a master in it. we are not the same

[@charlespatterson8412]

@@idk-fu5bz WE are definately not the same...

[@rupert5066]

@@idk-fu5bz based

[@steve00alt70]

Schools dont teach you investing or how to be self employed. But you do see very old people go to college because they just like learning different stuff not about money.

[@StoicLion]

My college education was different than most (service academy). When I left military service I went to graduate school with the belief I would fill in gaps needed in the real world. Grad school was the biggest mistake I have made. The time and money spent obtaining a MBA was not worth it. Worse, at the time I was in grad school, service academy grad were not eligible for the GI Bill. That had changed since then but you can't use it retroactively to reimburse yourself for prior education costs. I make really good money now ($100k+) but I don't need an MBA to do what I do. In fact, people don't need a Bachelor's to do what I do, that qualifications is put there by HR on postings. If I had to do it all over again, I would skip the MBA, gotten a job here straight out of the military. I would not have spent several years paying off a degree that I find to be worthless. At least I paid my off and did not get any debt forgiveness.

[@cold1895]

Glad I ran into someone like you while I was at community College. I finished University anyway, but I got a Usefull STEM degree and avoided going into much dept. It took me all this summer to get a job with the degree, but I start next month.

[@mrtblackmann9874]

Yeah. If you’re going for STEM then yeah, go to college but otherwise trade school is better.

[@skyking6989]

I knew a college grad that couldn't change a tire or use a can opener. I was like wtf?

[@calebstephens6059]

Other reason why I'm not going to college is 1.its a waste of time 2.it way expensive

[@Viper4ever05]

I went to state school as an older adult and studied finance. However, as an older adult I was extremely aware of the cost and did all sorts of tricks to minimize the debt I would incur including going to community college first and staying within the pell grants as best I could. I manage to graduate with around 50k in debt, but my income jumped from 25k a year to 50k right out of college and now making 65k after finding a new job. My best friend studied computer science and 15 years later is now a millionaire. My sisters husband who also studied finance is also a millionaire. College is not a waste of time if you don''t waste your time studying bullshit, you have to go to college having a plan and knowing exactly what you want to do and how you want to do it. One thing I noticed while I was there was a lot of stupid kids who had no direction and had no fucking idea what they wanted to do and this was 2 or 3 years into studying. If you're this type of person do not go to college! College is not a "experience" or a place where you can just wing it.

[@aremsalaatin8217]

I'll be going to college soon, and to the fact that I hear of people wanting to just wing it there makes me wonder how many more had done it in the past. What would u consider bs courses?

[@Viper4ever05]

@@aremsalaatin8217 Anything that doesn't get you a job within 6 months of graduation I'd say is useless. The career you choose has to have levels you can climb to get you more money. The skills you learn in college can't be abstract but practical and foundational to your career path. Finance, Accounting, Computer science, Engineering, and medicine are the core majors. I'm probably missing one but if these things don't interest you learn a trade and get paid just as much as any asshole with a degree.

[@aremsalaatin8217]

@@Viper4ever05 thanks for elaborating on what bs courses are, plus the core majors and a bit on what skills one may acquire, in college, ought to be. To me, medicine is something that has caught my eye for a while now, so I'll be pursuing certain courses relating to it when the time comes. :)

[@preptoadventure]

I got a 2-year associates degree from a local community college for systems administration, and I couldn't even get interviews for a help desk job until I got my A+. And even though I got off easy on tuition that cert was still about 40 times cheaper.

[@sanguiniusprimaris]

This world now is based on the skills you have.Not your certificate but the skills.Doesnt matter if you are skilled as an electrician,plumber,constructor you will get more money than a college alumni with freaking masters and PhD.

[@Joe_Dirt82]

kid in my hall is a 2nd year I think. been puttin in the hours and lived at home. bought himself a house. he's around 23 I think? no college for him. may not be a huge fancy house but it's a house n he's proud of his accomplishment. I'm topped out makin anywhere from 36-45 an hour. no college for me and almost zero debt. life is good without that special piece of paper.

[@Silvashoots]

I teach part-time (online admittedly, but there's a shortage for people who can "teach" supply chain management) at the university level in addition to my main gig, and I don't get the impression that any millennials and zoomers believe that they're any smarter for going to college. It's a paint-by-numbers exercise for them for a career line they want -- in my case, these kids want to get into the business world. They're more or less correct in assuming Boomers/Xers won't look at them for entry-level jobs without a degree. Apart from that, most seem preoccupied with "influencing" and "hustling grindsets" and whatever. This is at a top 50 school in the Northeast, btw. Most of these kids weren't conditioned for the trades. I suspect the vast majority of them -- particularly the males -- would be terrible tradesmen. The mindset isn't there. I've plucked two over the past five years to work out here in Russia, but what's more surprising is how none of these kids want to leave their area code. They'd rather be broke in their Uncle Shem Suburb instead of making 72kUS/Yr in Vladivostok. Obviously more complicated because of the war now, but prior to that it struck me as odd.

[@poorman2457]

How do you get a job in Vladivostok as a US citizen?

[@Silvashoots]

@@poorman2457 Basically impossible now, wait until the sanctions stop.

[@needparalegal]

I used to get 6 figures in Commiefornia. I prefer making less in Flyover Country where women don't treat me with contempt. Siberia is not worth a few extra thousand a year.

[@Silvashoots]

@@needparalegal if obese women are your thing, I'm sure flyover country is heavenly.

[@poorman2457]

@@needparalegal yeah I agree completely. But the novelty of working in a foreign country is worth a lot as well.

[@danfrick6097]

College was a big deal in 1970 when only the top 10 per cent went. C ollege became necessary after duke v griggs. Prior to that hiring bteer candidates was accomplished with a simple IQ test, and work experience.

[@marcusmccloud8394]

served 4 years in airforce. Now I go to college in Thailand for IT. Lots of tech and crypto projects coming here. College is payed for and getting payed monthly allowance that allows me to invest a good amount every month. Also have a decent size portfolio.

[@nathanpierre1868]

Only study for a degree if you're going into a discipline that is HEAVILY REGULATED Law Medicine Engineering You cant progress anyway if you dont have a degree for the respective sectors. Outside of those, certs and/or self teaching(projects/consulting) will get you starting off and insight will take you across the finish line. The trick is to see job/career/work as a means to an end, do not tie your identity to it.

[@jackperry6269]

what does it matter if it's heavily regulated or not?

[@nathanpierre1868]

@@jackperry6269 If its a genuine question ill answer. If you're being snarky you're doing it wrong because you come across as an idiot. Ill assume the former so here it goes; If it is heavily regulated there will be protocols to abide by and punishments for breaking them, sometimes jail time and/or revocation of license to practice. When theres protocols to abide by you have to know what they are, to know what they are you have to learn them in a FORMAL setting, that formal setting is a tertiary institution which is recognized/accredited by the state body the person is practicing their discipline under. For example someone who wants to become an architect or a radiologist in the United Kingdom would have to go to a school to study architecture or radiology respectively and/or some other sub discipline then they have to pass/get their degree then pass/get their license/go ahead/accreditation which is issued by the REGULATING BODY of that discipline. Heavily regulated discipline means one where the state has laws governing that discipline, laws which were codified with the help of or directly by the same institutions which provide licensing/backing to the people practicing the discipline. tl;dr EG; a radiologist >> radiology society/body >> regulating medical institution >> ministry/department of health >> the state

[@jackperry6269]

@@nathanpierre1868 thanks for answering!

[@spambotfodder]

I missed the livestream - for your client he ABSOLUTELY is ahead of the curve by working and saving. I never got a "degree" and I make excellent bank. college is a waste of time.

[@lobostriker85]

Do not go to college...go to trade school and learn a valuable skill.

[@kristianryden193]

Or just do an apprenticeship

[@vaderkurt7848]

​@@kristianryden193 Such as?

[@kristianryden193]

@@vaderkurt7848 an apprenticeship with a trade union. This would include- cement mason union, carpenters union, plumbers union, electricians union, heavy equipment operators union, etc.

[@garrettflame1234]

The tables have turned. Expelled, 3 of 4 years of high school. Business owner at 23 yrs old, employing my old teachers, fired them all for being stupid and drug addicts. ALL my properties paid for. All vehicles, paid. No wife was a big part of this, but do have 20 yr old child who does well. The mom, Found her, bread her like an animal for offspring. She thought i never saw a woman like her. lol. Most are like her. I won, and it didn't happen from going along with what everyone/the programing said i had to do. Yes to 2 parents, and i love and take care of my mom. What is your life really about? Women....do you want to be treated like a lady? Act and behave like one or destroy your lives. Its your choice. Now i just watch the "collective insanity" and laugh at it. The "laws of nature" are undefeated with her eyes closed. And "the wall" is real.

[@TimmyCramer]

Got my real estate license at 18. Also listened to uncle Bill's advice to Never Marry. 57 now and life has never been better and women more out of control! Lol

[@ericwilliams4300]

All of these colleges should go out of business. All the books sent to libraries or shredded up and flushed down a giant toilet. All the professors fired and sent to grovel at your local neighborhood Dollar General.

[@kevinpeterwareham8131]

I wouldn't risk college right now

[@thegame61923]

College is fine if you’re going for a STEM degree. I went through community college and transferring soon. No debt at all.

[@ReiseLukas]

I didn't go to college, just a tech school. Learned what I needed and left. I have a valuable trade to fallback on and I'm not in debt because I stretched out my classes for a longer period and could pay upfront

[@ViceCoin]

Even temp gigs req 4 year degree and 5 years exp. No lifetime boomer jobs for GenZ.

[@itstheiceman11]

My path I think is kinda unique. I joined the U.S Navy for 4 years. Once I left the Navy went to Community College to learn Welding. Ended up dropping out because of the Pandemic not by choice. School shut down. During the Pandemic I got an insight to go to this Federal Government job fair for the United States Postal Service because people saw that I got a military background. Waited in line for 4-5 hours going through background checks, watching seminars and so forth. Ended up getting on as a mail carrier. Busted my ass 6 days per week (60-80 hours/week) depending on the work load. I just made career regular like 3 months ago. Got a sick easy route with hardly any magazine coverage, little packages (I'm in the hood.), people are cool and my military time counts towards my pension. On the track I'm going now maxing out my ROTH IRA/TSP (15%) with my military time that I will be able to retire by 58 years old. Also got a large family inheritance coming too. Anyway most people that join the Post Office can't handle it and quit. Similar retention numbers to the military. I don't have any debt, built a 780 credit score, live a minimalist lifestyle, built a huge bank roll, about to get a house next year, just got a pay raise, etc. Couldn't be more happier. I'm really lucky and grateful. My military service helped me more than college ever did. The amount of the money you can make to put mail in a box and a package on a porch is huge and the job is repetitive everyday.

[@watchdealer11]

That being said, college is absolutely worth it if you are trying to become a professional: accountant, lawyer, doctor, engineer, actuary, analyst, etc. I went to Stanford for engineering. My scholarships, internships, and a few hours at a part-time job covered my entire tuition and expenses, and I had numerous offers after graduating. I worked for oil companies and made more money than I thought possible. My bonuses were more than most people's salaries for multiple years. I lived cheap, invested, and started some businesses (restaurant franchises), and I was able to retire in my 30s. I had partnered with my brother and cousins to handle the businesses, and I gave up some equity to retire early and have them handle operations. I have traveled to 50 countries, eaten many Michelin-starred meals, and lived life to the max.

[@sassed12many]

Why would I envy those in debt with little to no hope of paying it off?

[@hellfireincubus1721]

As a 24 year old I am only now wanting to go get a higher education in IT and Networking after working for a few years and saving. During my senior year everyone from my family to the school staff shoved college down our throats as the only solution. Everything Aaron is saying is one hundred percent on the mark and I'm so relieved 😂.

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

Parents: YOU SHALL FINISH COLLEGE OR ELSE YOU WILL BE USELESS IN MOST JOBS

[@10000deadkittens]

i did go to college but was considered a ward of the state due to foster care and low income. i did 2 years at a community college then finished my 150 credit load with 2.5 years at university. long story short i had state cover 80 to 90 percent of my college and had it all paid off before i graduated. i had a short stint in public accounting upon graduation (as kinda a busy season internship leveraging my volunteer tax experience) after abitrary your not learning quick enough explanation. i wound up working in anti money laundering for 18 monthes after that while job searching getting told no over and over again for a public accounting job. repeatedly can't get a job without experience and cant get experience without a job. i also completed a portion of the cpa exam. i spent another 18 months at the new firm (52k salary year 1 and 53 k salary year 2) working on completing my remaining 3 CPA exams. if anything the job experience on my resume here plus getting those credentials made it a lot easier to find my current role for recruiters when i was cut again for just not enough work going around to me and quote on quote "not learning quick enough". my current role for government nobody bosses me around or micromanages me anymore(we have guaranteed cost of living adjustments as i make the payroll) im making 15 percent more than i was in public accounting (with no busy season) plus i i pick up hours from turbotax and I anticipate ill make 75k to 78 k this year combined. basically im a little bitter about being cut like that out of nowhere but it worked out better for me financially. is public accounting over rated?

[@chimmy___]

College, the new indentured servitude.

[@musad20]

My god, It’s such a blessing that I came across this channel. College is such a joke and a waste of time, especially with those stupid liberal arts prerequisites that have no value to someone who’s majoring in a real degree.

[@Movie16Master]

Lol your point about school being a big baby sitting operation is so true. I have 2 kids that are about to start school next year and that's exactly how I see it. The wife and I both currently work: look to retire in 8 years from the Air Force. Literally if I had the time to home school I would. The amount of crap I wish school didn't waste my time on is astounding. My goal as a parent is to make sure my kids know a little bit of coding, and to know how money works. Get a job. Find your passion. Think about college later.

[@Hozagen]

Yeah, college was a waste of time. I had some good experiences and learn interesting stuff, but that was in 5 years. After I quit, I found out that I was progressing way more and learning way more in the real world that when I was in college

[@ian_b]

It has many similar aspects to a cult, including extracting money from the believers in return for a chance at transcendence.

[@rubixboygaming9536]

Im in my Last year of highschool and the amount of college dread i have is insurmountable. On top of the stuff i have to worry about to even get there, my parents are practically FORCING me to go to college for law and buisness. And if i dont go to college, who knows what theyll do to me cuz theyre only sending me their for their own egos and bragging rights. Now granted, they did say they wanted me to take the information and use it. But theyll only end up using me for the family buisness, otherwise they couldnt give less of a shit about me. So basically i have no choice, either i go to college and waste the best years of my life cuz of controlling parents, im 18, no car, no money, no job, my parents control all of that. Or i dont go to college and suffer consequences that god knows what. I dont know what to do. Idk if anyone reads this comment section, but if you come across this comment, i hope you help me here cuz im throwing a shot in the dark cuz i greatly feel like im about to make the worst decision of my life.

[@Vectorman64]

My parents told me if I went to college they were not paying for it. Looking at the cost of community college and how much money I had in the bank fresh out of high school, and not wanting to go into debt via loan I passed it up. You know what? Best advice from my parents, no debt, and almost able to buy a starting home. Life is good.

[@nickpantchev5154]

the graduation look out world got me. I was asleep way back when when one roommate walked in with his girlfriend saying look out world, Im someone now with an advertising diploma. Im some one now, ir was fucking hilarious. I dropped out of art school got good at cooking and got an apprenticeship completing my trade papers. Now I work a super corporate chef job and will make and save more than she can ever see in her life. Also, her crackhead roommates cause apartment damage where her parents had to remortgagde their house for $40,000.

[@Mazatzal]

1981. Several classmates took out student loans to go to a trade school. They used the money to purchase brand new trucks so that they could go to and from school and work. They worked to pay their tuition while in school.

[@GrandHeresiarch]

It's not just the student loans, its the constant spending and generation of new debt as a lifelong trend. One bad financial decision can be recovered from but not a constant pattern.

[@zardoz7900]

Think, learn to do something people need. They don't need phd's in sociology. You can do well with degrees like that, if you have no ethics and join the ongoing great ripoff.

[@MrGreen-nl3yv]

I've been watching people on KZbin and the happiest people I've seen are the people who society considered blue-collar.

[@TheGeeLuv]

That is obvious because look at the Politicians.

[@extraterrestrial4287]

"If you want to get laid go to college. If you want an education go to the library" - Frank Zappa

[@1983jcheat]

My Boss in the college mailroom said, "Juan, going to college is not a accurate representation of your knowledge or actual skills." He went on to manage several school in NJ. Unless you have connections, college really doesn't matter much.

[@mark7362]

I'd love to see college graduates take IQ tests. I already know They'd say "no that's racist!" Then cry and get into insults

[@crunchybroll4731]

I'm 21 went to community College bc idk what to do. I had no debt due to financial aid. These people lied to me because they said I could try things to figure out what to do. I'm a woman so I don't want to do like welding or something like that. Preferably I'd like to just get married and be a stay at home mom but the problem is houses are so expensive and I'd have to find a rich husband somehow. My dad has a small fund to help me buy a house one day. I might just end up working crap jobs until I can land a boyfriend. My dad also gave me your book as a gift for Christmas and introduced me to your channel

[@CE-vd2px]

Whatever

[@danebeck7900]

You really want a husband? What's your opinion of older men in their 30's/40's? Despite popular belief they're not all fat, bald and boring... And at your age you're more desirable then you will ever be. At age 21 if you're cute, nice and have your head screwed on straight you could easily get an older successful guy. You need to avoid the NPC party girl mistakes your sisters are making. Stay thin, keep your hair long, no tattoos, don't become a single mom. BE NICE! Since the dating apps are garbage you need to make yourself more approachable in real life. That means put your phone away and take out your airpods/earbuds when you're in public so guys can actually talk to you. Go to museums, bookstores, etc. where smart guys hang out. I suggest getting a waitress job at an upscale restaurant/lounge. Older successful guys will hang out there and if you're cute AND nice I guarantee you'll get noticed. Play your cards right and you might get asked out IRL instead of the stupid apps.

[@melindagallegan5093]

@@danebeck7900 This sounds like valuable advice. I am a traditional sort of woman too and there is a “nerdy" sort of man 20 years older then me who told my grandmother he liked me. Don’t get men really approaching the parents anymore on stuff like this. What is the best way to bridge the age gap?

[@melindagallegan5093]

@@danebeck7900 I also want to avoid hookup culture because sex before marriage decreases my value. How am I supposed to approach men with this sort of outlook?

[@DOOMile]

Have you considered getting a tech job in the software field?

[@Thecelestial1]

I went. It’s True. It’s a hell of indoctrination and ignorance. And your employers will be neither impressed nor satisfied and demand ever higher levels of education. Please go trades. Build a business or three that tangibly helps others so that they can see an alternative to the shambling remains of our society.

[@FranekWrobel-hp7zp]

This dude is killing it. It would probably be better to be doing some electrician job by this time but still way further ahead than most ppl.

[@djoh615893]

I served 16 years in the Army. It was a requirement to get a degree to compete for the higher enlisted ranks, and a master's was needed to get the highest enlisted and officer ranks. The kicker is that you only needed a general education degree or organizational management or communications. Any degree would suffice, and it was a kind of joke. Most of the experiences were in garrison where you needed to be able to manage things, but when we went off to fight you would see a vastly different reality where people in the real fight really started to care about relevant skills like toughness and ability to learn how your enemy thinks, and also being a person whom your people around you can trust to do their part.

[@deejnutz2068]

Did a 2 year mission when I was 18, got back home and immediately started working for a small startup doing t1 technical support. For like $40k Took other jobs and opportunities where I could (all startups) and now at 25 I'm making over 6 figures and am a shoe in for a C level position at a medium sized startup after our next fundraising round and we establish C level positions. The only money I've spent on education was reimbursed by my companies for certifications. College is a joke.

[@Hozagen]

Totally true. 4 years of working and investing the most >> any college degreee