Motorcycle Powered Car Gets A New Engine (From Another Motorcycle)

[@joeording3]

Do what I do - spend a bunch of time and money trying to DIY it, fail horribly, then buy the off the shelf parts anyway. The best of all worlds.

[@crottemole]

As it should be. Think the off the shelf is too expensive. End up spending more on a diy solution that doesnt work proprelly to finally just buy ots.

[@rjung_ch]

😆😉

[@denismilic1878]

I'm the president of the fail DIY parts club, you are free to join.

[@IanB22]

works every GD time....

[@Skaadi89]

Ha I do the same exact thing

[@johnbarker5009]

"The first time someone ever said 'I wanted a Honda but couldn't afford it so I went BMW'" is one of your best lines ever.

[@ravenouself4181]

F for their wallet. Instead of single-time spending now it has a black hole

[@CatTerrist]

ALL HAIL THE.... Holy shit that X-ray goood lord, glad you can still walk and talk after a hit like that

[@tolga1cool]

My thoughts exactly. Holy shit indeed. That leg was properly properly fucked.

[@SuperfastMatt]

It was brutal. I was in the hospital for 3 weeks and it took me a year to walk normally. Always wear your helmet.

[@mikealbrecht3990]

@@SuperfastMatt I see where it hit the windshield too. Yikes.

[@CED99]

@@SuperfastMatt "along with my left femur" Yeah... way to down play that Matt, it's broken at both the top and bottom of the femur, and you didn't mention the damage that teenager did to your poor tibia and fibula. Jeez, glad you recovered!

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

@@SuperfastMatt is that where all the project money came from :p

[@dylanyates6331]

Shaft drive engines would be a pain to implement, regardless of power numbers. Also, if you used a Honda I-6 someone would kill you in a matter of hours

[@craigwiess1656]

A friend used a CBX motor to build a chopper.

[@dylanyates6331]

@@craigwiess1656 his time is limited, he should take shelter immediately

[@craigwiess1656]

@@dylanyates6331 was back in 2008, frame was custom built rigid. He sold the frame and using the motor in a trike project. I don't have a CBX but have chopped several CB750 SOHC. A 70 is currently under going should be over 9ft long and building 72 bobber with and old velorex sidecar.

[@vtr0104]

Is that because it's very valuable? Legitimately asking, since using an older engine type would kind of make sense what with the S600 also being an old car.

[@dylanyates6331]

@@vtr0104 there's a whole cult following with those bikes and purists hate when people mess with them. They'd rather have them original.

[@gannas42]

It's always some kid in a mustang. I get nervous whenever I see those retail "muscle" cars on the road because generally speaking the driver's ability to drive the car is as uninspired as the car purchase itself.

[@mikealbrecht3990]

Yeah, but they have lots of safety stuff so the idiot driver can usually walk away from the wreck and devastation they cause.

[@EmyrDerfel]

@@mikealbrecht3990 their victims not so much.

[@mikethompson7046]

I mean the mustang is still a cool car. Maybe just to mainstream

[@clintonflynn815]

Multiple projects simultaneously and a youtube channel... you're in the zone Matt!

[@sudseh]

since the clutch is hydraulic now, what about going back to a foot clutch?

[@SuperfastMatt]

I prefer the hand clutch. Easier to use, and unique.

[@sudseh]

@@SuperfastMatt something something your mocha double-skim cappu-latte-ccino. (fair enough. :D it definitely is unique and i can see it being easier to use)

[@calholli]

@@SuperfastMatt The clutch being "grabby" is your clutch basket; It's common on all motorcycles that use these style clutches. If you take it apart and look at all of those aluminum fingers of the clutch basket, they will wear little grooves in them along the edge, where the clutch plates slot into and engage--- So it's like your plates get stuck in little ruts and don't want to slide along that edge anymore, because it's so rough. You can sometimes sand those fingers down smooth and it will work fine again-- but You have to remove the same amount of material on each one so that all of your fingers still engage at the same time.. Might just be smarter buying a new clutch basket, given the load that you're putting on it. (or just google "clutch basket wear" and you see pics of it right away)

[@DarkIzo]

@@calholli there also little plates that fit in the grooves, effectively making those parts consumables no clue wht theyre called though

[@kronstadt84]

My father in law has 3 CBX's. I rebuilt one with him last summer and let me tell you, as cool as they may be, putting the carbs back on makes me want to never see one again.

[@contentioushackery]

I can't intellectually defend the choice to use a Honda powertrain in the Honda, but it feels right. If someone wanted to put the engine from a Triumph Rocket into a TR7 that would also feel right.

[@rimmersbryggeri]

I want to put one in a spitfire, that would probably turn out simular to this car with a goldwing engine.

[@masterswish3355]

A little sad there's no mention of a H2 block. That supercharger sounds great!

[@TravisFabel]

Yeah but he's a man of taste.

[@DarkIzo]

ah yes, the honda h2 how could he forget

[@jamescarruthers1967]

Briefly helped a guy working on his track car, which used an Accusump. Was never totally convinced it wasn't worth just dry sumping properly, since it's still quite expensive, but did seem to fix oil starvation.

[@freekolafdegroot2776]

Can't wait until the next episode of this.

[@anidiotinaracingcar4874]

Another solution for your clutch line would have been an aero brake master cylinders: some are meant to work in this orientation

[@calholli]

The clutch being "grabby" is your clutch basket; It's common on all motorcycles that use these style clutches. If you take it apart and look at all of those aluminum fingers of the clutch basket, they will wear little grooves in them along the edge, where the clutch plates slot into and engage--- So it's like your plates get stuck in little ruts and don't want to slide along that edge anymore, because it's so rough. You can sometimes sand those fingers down smooth and it will work fine again-- but You have to remove the same amount of material on each one so that all of your fingers still engage at the same time.. Might just be smarter buying a new clutch basket, given the load that you're putting on it. (or just google "clutch basket wear" and you see pics of it right away)

[@anidiotinaracingcar4874]

​@@calholli I was commenting on his clutch lever. And the fact he said he had to install it horizontally to avoid bleeding problems. I was stating there are master cylinders made to work in the vertical orientation. Now the problem is solved if he's using a clutch *cable* but I thought it was worth mentioning in case someone wants to build their own S600 with a hydraulic clutch

[@jameswood8564]

As someone who also has a Honda S (albeit the S800) and who also doesn't have the original engine and is thus also puttin a bike engine in, I absolutely LOVE seein this car, it's so exhilarating to see this done and how well it works. The engine I have is a VFR800 from a '99 bike that I picked up super cheap locally and there's a fantastic video on KZbin with a Honda N with this engine in it and definitely worth checking out that too! Love the content, can't wait for more! All hail the algorithm!

[@jmckey]

Matt, just low-key encouraging Honda factory employees to employ a 5 finger discount on his behalf to get the engine he wants. Of course, those would have to be some Andre the Giant sized hands. I approve. Or should I say, INCONCEIVABLE!

[@mundanestuff]

"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means" is the appropriate response to that word. But yeah, Honda should straight up donate the engine, or some Honda dealer. It would be excellent advertisement.

[@SuperfastMatt]

For the record, I do NOT want a stolen Honda engine. I do want a donated Honda engine.

[@jmckey]

@@SuperfastMatt I'm sure your lawyer appreciates the clarification. The "falling off the back of the truck" comment definitely sounded more "5-finger" to me than donated but I get and love your dry humor so it didn't phase me. I've been saying to anyone that will sit still for 2 mins and knows me (a small audience to be sure) that your channel humor is like if my best friend Tom and I merged together (plus we were WAY more motivated). You'd like Tom. Tom is funny. Tom is smart. Tom taught me D&D in the god damn 80s and healed me of my love for bad 80s pop music.

[@soconoha8495]

0:11 that's the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[@calholli]

The clutch being "grabby" is your clutch basket; It's common on all motorcycles that use these style clutches. If you take it apart and look at all of those aluminum fingers of the clutch basket, they will wear little grooves in them along the edge, where the clutch plates slot into and engage--- So it's like your plates get stuck in little ruts and don't want to slide along that edge anymore, because it's so rough. You can sometimes sand those fingers down smooth and it will work fine again-- but You have to remove the same amount of material on each one so that all of your fingers still engage at the same time.. Might just be smarter buying a new clutch basket, given the load that you're putting on it. (or just google "clutch basket wear" and you see pics of it right away)

[@enordentoft]

I'm glad you didn't go with the Busa. That did get me thinking if the engine from a Blackbird XX wouldn't have a bit of that "fatguy moving potential", without having to compromise too much on the red Line? Also, when are we doing the RC51 Grom swap?

[@TravisFabel]

So that CBR 1000 engine he has, makes more horsepower than the blackbird. It actually makes more horsepower than the first generation Hayabusa.

[@enordentoft]

@@TravisFabel I imagine the Blackbird engine would have more torque down low, being from a heavier Sports Tourer. Might be nicer to drive when off the track.

[@chrislee7817]

Nice. By the way Matt there are some mini slave cylinders designed to screw into the clutch cable boss on the engine. 😉. Also I would go for a MUCH bigger airbox to get some resonance going.

[@devil2jz500]

This build is the main reason why I love this channel. I wait for his videos like a new episode of Breaking Bad back on those days. I am swapping a CBR600 into my 71’ Honda z600. It’s only 115hp but the redline is 16,000-17,000rpm. My other 70’ Honda z600 is 60% done with the K24 AWD swap. I love mini cars.

[@GingerNingerGames]

The return of the best project car on KZbin. Excellent

[@kurtihavebestdogever6293]

Honda made 1.2 and 1.5 liter dry sump engines both naturally aspirated and turbocharged that they put in their personal watercraft lines. A motor out of an Aquatrax F-15X would have given you 200 hp.

[@70Superbird]

My morning cup of coffee and a SuperfastMatt video. It's gonna be a good day. Especially since you said you like the CBX. I have an '82 CBX and it's always been one of my favorites.

[@PontiacPOWA]

The insane RPM is the coolest thing about this car and big bike engines like the hayabusa, zx14, goldwing or a 2 liter K20 don't rev out in comparison to a 1000. Do they make more torque and would they make more sense in this application? Of course but who cares about that. I agree with your thought process here 100%. Stoked to see the next evolution of this car

[@shoominati23]

You gotta go for a V-Twin engine next time (if) you blow this engine up, It would sound like a Morgan 3 wheeler on steroids and probably transform the character of the car for the better

[@arnoblekkenhorst2633]

I always thought a rocket 3 would make a good swap aswell, but that one doesn't redline very high either. Supercharger on this fireblade would be pretty dope aswell if it could fit in the airbox's place

[@GiulioImparato]

There's a guy who put it in a triumph spitfire. It is significantly taller than the original 1500 and he had to make it poke through his bonnet.

[@CED99]

@@GiulioImparato that's alright SFM has the whole ready to go...

[@travislarson5192]

I want to point out that I already watched this video because of my Patreon access. It was so good that I also watched it on KZbin, after I watched it on Patreon. I pay for Patreon because Matt's content is so good, I feel it's worth the minimal cost of Patreon. Why Am I saying Patreon So much, you might be asking? Yeah. Patreon. Super easy way to support your favorite content creators, like Matt, without a lot of overhead. Also. Patreon.

[@mikemchaney1003]

I know this is way too late, but look into the VFR engines for the next build. V4. They sound amazing and are still Honda and V-Tech.

[@NoBrakes23]

I can't believe the VFR800 didn't at least get an honorable mention. I know the Interceptor's v4 doesn't have the most power, but it has been car swapped in early Hondas, and damn it makes beautiful noises!

[@davidbeadle3270]

@SuperfastMatt I think you should have a chat with Allen Millyard about your choice of engine - now that would be a KZbin collaboration!

[@GrannygearKiller]

Fantastic as always, good humour, interesting, and sufficient levels of simplicity disguised as complexity

[@bongosock]

Thank God for a new video - my life has been empty without you, Matt!

[@kevinchamberlain7928]

CB1300 would be a superb choice. "No replacement for displacement!" Monster torque, smooth running, (relatively) low revving, a perfect choice for this particular application IMHO.

[@tomonabudget]

How you manage to run 3 immense projects at the same time, film them and do you own video editing plus narration is beyond me. Mad. Also comment to feed the algorithm. Looking forward to see how this progresses.

[@jimm9776]

Double-checked your video list in case I missed an update... saw it's been 7 days since you posted... GETTING HYPED!

[@realvanman1]

5:17. Thumbs up earned!

[@856Dropout]

Drill and tap a large hole in the side cover in an opportune place to shoot the timing light thru. When your done, just put the a plug in the hole. Or machine a sight glass in there.

[@Suffering_Jetfan]

Accusump. Crude and incredibly simple, with no belts or chains to fail.

[@dipling.pitzler7650]

I am very glad that Mustangs have long hoods....hitting the roof rim of a shorter car instead of the middle of the "softer" windshield would have been even more severe...thanks god you survived.

[@spencer961]

Missed opportunity to use an RB211. Gets over 10k rmp and generates a heck of a lot more horsepower. Not to mention the incredible sound.

[@solarguy6043]

A friend of mine (Tony) had that inline 6 banger from Honda. There are few things in the world that sound better. Tony did not always ride it responsibly, and I often wonder if he is still alive.

[@satiric_]

One thing we did on our FSAE cars back when we used the CBR600RR was to mount the clutch lever on the back of the shifter (closer to the driver). Then to upshift, you pull the clutch lever back (which doesn't engage the clutch, but does moves the shifter back), and to downshift you push the clutch lever forward, which engages the clutch and then shifts down. Just a thought.

[@AlienLivesMatter]

Nice simple solution. Light weight also

[@JimBrodie]

Was about to tap out NC35 V4 again and remembered that suggestion was for the land speeder. German Berg Cup racers use funky alternatives. Basically a VW Golf engine + hayabusa head. Might be a bit too much work and expense though.

[@nikovbn839]

1:07 couldn't agree more, CulturedMatt

[@spamspace6878]

"Feels weird to put another brand's powertrain in here" - the guy who Tesla swapped his Jag

[@D3nn1s]

Ouch, that windshield looks like you wore your helmet correctly, thank god. Also ty for instantly spoiling the video, i love your channel :)

[@jonathangehman4005]

I sort of hate on Honda and Honda products(not sure why, not everything they build is dumb frontwheeldrive crap boxes) but I agree with you, that car needs a Honda engine. All my car friends, Musclecar guys, sportscar guys, traditional Hot Rodders, Racers etc. really dig this car. EVERYBODY knows that old thing and nobody seems to think anything should should be different. It's the one car my Cal-Look Beetle friend thinks shouldn't be painted. You really did something special with that pile

[@ekoturnip]

I once drove one of the 3 wheeled Morgans, big V-twin, was great fun. Other than that, BMW K1600 engine? L6 and shaft drive.

[@carado1984]

Triumph Rocket 2300 or 2500 would've been cool.

[@willytheekid]

What??...No Honda V4 suggestions? (VFR750, 800 or 1200...they have it all for a car mod like that - HP, Torque, reliability and an AWESOME sound!😎) Love this project ❤ Kia Kaha Matt

[@TravisFabel]

For checking that engine timing, you can pull out that hex-plug in the middle of the side cover.

[@Toxic2T]

Missed a huge oportunity to make it sound like a Porsche 930 with the Goldwing swap. Sportbike engines are overused.

[@ShotgunRocket]

The fact that a Hayabusa swap is so common and there's so much aftermarket is the best reason why it would have been at the top of my list. Still, I can see why you went with Honda. Even though you did make a video explaining why swapping a Tesla motor and battery into a classic Jaguar wasn't ruining it

[@jamieweirdworld]

One note some folks aren't aware of. The 2018 and up Goldwings with the dual clutch 7 speed transmission have an engine driven reverse gear in the transmission, and is operated with the shifter paddles on the handlebars. It's a very cool setup. Would probably be a difficult engine to find at this point though.

[@ozarkmartin1174]

Was really hoping for the Yamaha R-1 crossplane engine. Not the most powerful but that sound 🤤

[@christopherwedemeyer2993]

Those xrays... WOw. Just looking at them made my ankles swell...

[@axlefoley3369]

Good choice on motor . We've ran a kaw ninja & a Yamaha in our Notabusa Competition Coupe (Subaru 360) . There are some killer Snowmobile motors ,even saw one in a airplane once.

[@pokeypaul78]

In your quest for more projects and obscure cars, maybe you can find a Puch Pinzgauer and do the KTM 1290 motorswap and while you’re at it some sort of hybrid powertrain. That way you’re keeping it all Austrian.

[@johnkufeldt3564]

awesome! Cheers from Calgary where no-one is biking today(20/02/2022)

[@1992jamo]

If Honda wasn't a limitation, I'd suggest a BMW R 1250 RS. Twin flat so you can keep the centre of gravity a tiny bit lower, and as much torque as a K20 engine. They are also designed with a drive shaft in mind, perpendicular to the pistons.

[@jackrichards1863]

Yes the sump arrangement is critical to have correct. Many times one may have failed for reasons yet not crystal clear? But it is a fact you'll benefit from a guaranteed installation, and not have to suffer another catastrophe.. potentially! Even in motorcycles, I myself experienced broken engines due to oil starvation. So you bought a sweet setup from somebody. All hail the algorithm. 😂 LoL .

[@Francois_L_7933]

I thought you would have gone with a Honda Rebel engine. Inline 2 cylinder for plenty of thumping noise and legendary Honda reliability. As for the oil starvation problem, you could make a secondary tall oil cylinder that would get the oil from the pan, push it through a long tube to the top of the oil cylinder and put the pick-up at the bottom of the cylinder. That way you won't have any problem with sloshing in the corners.

[@6Twisted]

Get one of the old 400cc IL4's that rev crazy high.

[@Monkeywrenchmotorcycles]

I own a powersports shop and am currently putting a Goldwing 1800 engine into a microvan aka kei van. Not interested in all out power or rpm since it’ll be a commuter but the fact it has reverse, efi, is fairly short and decently compact width-wise made it a natural choice plus the 125hp/125tq make it ideal in the van, especially since the stock engine was 40hp carbureted inline 3… lol

[@tsa567]

Really surprised not to see a VFR1200 engine mentioned? Who doesn't like the sound of a V4?!

[@ProfessorOzone]

NOOOOOOooooooo! Not the shifter! That was my favorite part!

[@davelassell]

I"m debating whether to find a junked old car or build a locost 7 with a bike engine. Your stuff is genius and hilarious.

[@MyLonewolf25]

Add an oil accumulator. It would help your oiling problems on hard cornering

[@Alexander661]

I know it’s too late, and laughably expensive; but the Motus MST engine would be amazing in a lightweight car.

[@RomainFleuryWhatever]

Delicate hood modifications 😂👍

[@danateel]

I know you're already decided on a new motor and have even acquired it. At the time I never gave it much thought but I ride a Honda ST1300 and after watching your video, it seemed to me that the engine from an ST1300 would be a good candidate for your car. It's a V4 so is lower revving than your preference and honestly makes less power than the engine you chose but I believe it has better low-end torque. Since this engine has been in production for motorcycles since 2003 I expect that they would be plentiful and probably quite affordable.

[@mecoollearoyd]

Close but... VFR1200. Best of both worlds. 🙃

[@petergriffin4629]

I mean now it is too late anyway, but you missed the best engine you could have chosen! The Yamaha VMAX. I mean i know it's not Honda, but it's readily available, because the bike has been around for 20 years. It has 200 HP and lots of torque, and a massive aftermarket for tuning parts and it's a V4 and nobody has done a car with one yet

[@alexserban2513]

A VFR would have been interesting. Until you announced the winner I was sure it would be the winner.

[@fdmmoens]

I was thinking about a VFR1200, but I guess the shaft drive would make it very complicated. There is a video on here about a Honda N600 which has a VFR800fi engine, that is alot of fun!

[@ringodooby]

Every car should have that shifter installed from the factory.

[@RaglansElectricBaboon]

Perfect video length, exactly the time it took me to eat my lunch. Now I want a desert, can you do a 5 minute video for that please?

[@ruramisiek]

hello Mat, as in general I will agree with you. there is one engine you miseed. its BMW K1600 engine. its revs lower but you have 2 more cyl. so for ear it sounds very similar. also it's have lots of torque and some decent power.

[@joell439]

I vote ....... you went with the off-the-shelf oil pump. 👍😎👍

[@LonH77]

All hail the algorithm!! Great choice, shocked you considered a Goldwing engine, being a flat design, looks like it wouldnt fit the small car. Also shocked you looked at the CBX just because not many people know of any kind of older motorcycle. Look forward to seeing the progress. Maybe I should bike engine my freebie 80 MGB.....

[@Tony-ib2vm]

I still say cbx. I'll build one... If I can find a s600/800. For the music and sequential shift. TBC's, thermostatic oil cooler, accusump, big bore, proper jetting for linear mounting, etc.

[@Miata822]

Using something like a K1200 engine in the speeder? Long stroke high torque but they can spin pretty high. Oh, wait. Just remembered you had a tiny displacement limit. I guess I'll definitely be watching this space.

[@pkwadley7733]

I had an original S600 and 4000rpm was pretty much what you needed to get off the line. Changing gear at 9000 was fun but how cool is going to 12-13k with the modern engine. Nice. - Great project.

[@KO-pk7df]

I never got to participate in the engine selection list but I was thinking about the ST-1300 engine. I know it's a complex engine but I still like it.

[@Syscrush]

FYI - if you want to keep hydraulic operation for your clutch, you can fit a Magura retrofit kit. You'd need to switch to a Magura master cylinder, but it is an option.

[@ronwalsh]

Can't wait to hear the S600 up and running again.

[@oldschoolmotorsickle]

Great series of videos! Have you considered modifying the the mounting angle of the throttle bodies? That is, space the ITBs outward and angled down towards the crankcase with tubular adapters. This would have the possible benefits of: longer runner length, more room for a larger airbox, and eliminate the hole in the bonnet. I believe the added runner length coupled with a bigger airbox would help engine response off the bottom. Thank you.

[@chrisstreeter71]

👌👍Looking forward to completion.

[@camerone397]

Babe wake up, new SuperfastMatt video just dropped

[@heather_the_plant]

You should try and fit a quick shift sensor into your new transmission linkage for fast clutchless upshifts.

[@Adi-kf6bq]

Another great engine would be an old Yamaha XJ600. It's an old 600ccm engine that has a good low end torque and a middle high rev limiter. The useabel rev range is from around 1000rpm to 11000rpm. But stock it only has 44.1299kw. It is one of the most reliable engines that i know. Sadly i only now saw that you were looking for a new engine

[@adrianlastname4864]

my friends and I build a shifter kart with a $400 ebay 6th gen vfr800 because it was cheaper than any other engine trans combo we could find at the time.

[@CED99]

Well if you need to do any more scanning, a funky new toy has been announced on Kickstarter - as a famous silver play recipient you should see if you can try and get your hands on - CR-Scan Lizard

[@fredio54]

CBR600RR = 14500 IIRC - ran one with my ECU in an FSAE car - awesome fun though only revving it to 12 because with their manifold and fueling design the power dropped off steeply above like 9k despite AFR and fueling remaining constant - poor atomisation of the fuel from port injectors FTL. And it's true to the model name of your car, too. But less torque and more work and less power - you made the right choice :-)

[@phaa84]

Great choice... I'm willing to hear the car reving to the moon

[@CaptainLila]

Awesome, can't wait to see the changes and the car back on the road. Also, this was the perfect length to slam a sandwich in my face at the truck stop, so cheers.

[@randyfleet9968]

I think you get a hold of Sarah-N-Tuned to do you a ceramic finish on that Honda to spruce it up a bit!

[@clubdjmarcus]

You were not the first to say you got a BMW because you couldn't afford a Honda: I drove several 90's K1100's before finally being able to afford a 90's Goldwing, the bike that made me want to be a biker... I have always thought though that BMW makes a bike for every occasion to ride a bike, but Honda does that too for every budget. It's just that the Goldwing is the exception to that rule.

[@NathanielSalzman]

You can convert cable clutches to hydraulic. There are kits.

[@aedyer1]

I keep watching trying to work up enough info to start my BMW Isetta motorcycle engine swap.

[@deformemvita]

DUDE! I just bought a Hayabusa engine for my Mk2 Austin Healey Sprite. Back of the napkin math; with a roll bar and miata diff it'll only weigh about 1300 lbs.

[@bake162]

I already know the path you choose for your dry sump, obviously you went the most difficult route. All hail

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

I have to be honest: I have an idea of BMW boxer swaping some shitbox for few years now. I know that this is stupid idea. I know that BMW bike engines aren't really good, but I love boxers and idea of small boxer twin makes me happy.

[@shoominati23]

You could probably get a complete drysump setup on one of the Nascar parts liquidator websites from something like a Quarter Midget for less than $1000 including pump, tank hoses and etc else..