MSI is bringing the heat - MSI MPG X870E Carbon WIFI

[@jm8080ful]

I really love the slow panning shot that you do while you show I/O and features one by one, I can see everything clearly

[@seechaicheung6714]

+1

[@Games_and_Tech]

Did they fix the killing Nmve ssd feature they have on the x670 carbon? And the customer service?

[@Merajito20k]

The GOAT returns with mobo reviews. I thank you sir as it is my computer full rebuild cycle so I will be excited to see what 870E board is the best bang for the buck and what you think once enough come out to see the full price to feature spectrum. I am genuinely excited so sincerely thank you!

[@cyber_teks]

Thank you for always showing the new products, good video

[@KristisGal]

Great video as usual. But how the f*ck we got to the place where not the highest tier mobo got price tag like that? And one suggestion if I may - quiet background music. Could liven the video up a little :)

[@yuan.pingchen3056]

Because they send many motherboards to many youtubers without charge, no need to return, so the paid cost must be recovered, come on dude, isn't it beautiful board right ? is it convenient to install nvme SSDs right? just buy it, you are a good enough person to deserve such a good motherboard...

[@jcgongavoe337]

@@yuan.pingchen3056 No

[@Warhorse469]

Out of all the X870E motherboards, the Carbon stands out from the rest and that Back IO is a work of art, but the price is a tough pill to swallow in saying that I probably will end up getting this motherboard, along with the 9800X3D I think my Z390 and 9700k is bottlenecking my 4070 ti Super when I switched to the Samsung Odyssey G8 UWQHD monitor.

[@lachlanp3365]

...I am not sure if my CPU costs more than this board, I do like that they labeled a lot of the stuff it makes it a bit easier/ helps confirm you are not doing something wrong. (Like what slots to put RAM in someone will change the layout on a board to make the first two sticks to be next to each other)

[@futer994]

@@lachlanp3365mine 7800x3d was cheaper than this board but still bought it. 😅

[@JimmyChino55]

Its a decent enough board but the $500 price tag is a joke. personally I wouldn't pay no more than $350 for this

[@AOAOAO96]

@@JimmyChino55 They need bring back the Unify/X series

[@yuan.pingchen3056]

The current trend is to harvest the people with the deepest pockets at the first time, whether it is motherboards, processors or GPUs.....

[@JimmyChino55]

@@yuan.pingchen3056 Motherboards don't really drop much in price like CPUs though,.

[@TheSjuris]

@@yuan.pingchen3056x670e carbon was even more when it launched

[@deadchannelfrom2018]

It’s worth more like $550 but if you can’t see that then buy a b550 instead. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jonathan350]

I wish you had mentioned the lane shares between pcie2 and pcie3, i believe those are the ones :/

[@MrBoboka12]

Why did you exclude the JPWRLED1 and the T_SEN1 headers (and a bunch of others)? Its in the documentation.

[@nicholasfarnolo7238]

Looks great, but no motherboard should be $499. And $919 AUD?? Insane. They're raking you guys

[@jamesp2218]

Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to this board, to be driven from iGPU using 9900X CPU? I understand this board has 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU? (of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?) I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and X870/X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.

[@tonys2683]

It's cheaper than the X670E Ace that I was going to buy at 1300 dollars, so for 920 dollars for what this offers is a pretty fair price. Too many people here expecting to get top range hardware for next to nothing.

[@kelvinjinxd]

The 2nd PCIE slot only supports x4. It is a downgrade comparing to x670e carbon dual x8 configuration.

[@GearSeekers]

It's not a downgrade. This board has USB4 and 5GbE. Those extra lanes are allocated to features you will actually use

[@kelvinjinxd]

@@GearSeekers 5GbE is a nice touch, but most people buying Carbon is for the dual x8 setup. I currently have x670e Carbon with 2 GPUs under Linux. The supplemental PCIe power almost makes sense if the 2nd PCIe is x8 wide. I can’t talk about USB4. I don’t have a single USB4 device yet.

[@godnamedtay]

@@kelvinjinxdlmao no they’re not, Foh lol

[@drewnewby]

@godnamedtay he said most people, Linux, and dual GPU, too funny. Most people in his home maybe.

[@godnamedtay]

@@drewnewbylol I’m sayin. Dude is in his own little world. Delusional af

[@Hullbreachdetected]

I hope there will be a monoblock for this mobo.

[@Lone_Crusader]

Yeah I was planning on buying this board but at midnight when all the motherboards from all the companies dropped I seen that $500 price tag and was like: DAMN! Anyways I ended up buying the Gigabyte X870E Aorus Pro instead, $390 after tax. Still pretty expensive but at least it was more affordable. It should be arriving on my doorstep Thursday.

[@katzicael]

It's such a shame they've made the choice to make them *SO* expensive. In New Zealand this board is over $1000 - when the X570 era it would have cost NZ$550/600 at most. I have the B550 Unify and it cost $350!

[@futer994]

In Poland this board is for about 2000PLN so it's ~500$ or 460€. Fun fact now there x670e is more expensive 😅 bought that x670e week ago and sent it back when I found out that x870e is out for few bucks less.

[@failingup4907]

How do you people afford to live?

[@CoquiAudio]

this generation of motherboards look a lot better and more friendly to work with

[@KelvinKMS]

In 2024, 10Gb/s Ethernet port is the must have for $299+ motherboard.

[@petersmulders8058]

lol only if you work for nasa

[@MrBoboka12]

Dream on.

[@Draven2k]

i want some black back connect 870 boards

[@mohamedguassmi555]

EXELLENT MOBO MSI KNOWS WELL HOW TO BE SPECIAL !!! BUT SADLY THIS PIECE IS EXPENSIVE !!! ANYWAY GOOD OVERVIEW MY FREIND RIGHT IN THE TIME !!!

[@ShadowAngelS2K]

I bought the AsRock X870E NOVA WiFi

[@8020Alive]

Same. It's loaded 🎉

[@dangcao3370]

How is it ? I've been watching for this board.

[@User-ys7cb]

Both are good boards it seems. I'm hesitant to buy ASRock because some people reported USB issues after a cold boot.

[@ShadowAngelS2K]

@ mine is perfectly fine, always used ASRock and never had any issues

[@NTSH443]

The ASrock 870e boards are the only ones to not have lane sharing with gpu

[@ShadowAngelS2K]

Can Zen5 even handle 8000MT/s?

[@vincentsmith9180]

Won't use that proprietary connector: I'm old school, still cable managing the heck out of every single pwm- or (a)rgb-fan! I like it that way...until I've saved up enough money to buy me some the daisy-chaining fans...😉😀!

[@drewnewby]

When the rear IO is starting to look like a telephone switchboard panel.

[@aleksandrburmin4943]

Вот она из настоящего времени материнская плата для компьютера

[@hendersonsobers396]

I remember the days when the AMD platform was the budget option.

[@scotthudson6181]

Still no dual bios in 2024? I've been burned by MSI before supplying the wrong BIOS update. Never again.

[@GearSeekers]

Not gonna lie it's very hard to flash the wrong bios to a board.

[@Warhorse469]

@@GearSeekers I have to agree if you follow the instructions it's pretty hard to mess up

[@scotthudson6181]

@GearSeekers @Warhorse469 FACT. MSI have not always provided the correct BIOS updates on their website. They were notorious for providing motherboard killers. It's a well known part of PC history that you don't seem to be aware of unfortunately. To make matters worse, the single BIOS was not socketed.

[@TheTeflon490]

It has BIOS flashback of course... Practically impossible to brick it by flashing BIOS then.

[@Hullbreachdetected]

Don't they come with flash memory and flash usb?

[@blueferrari397]

No white boards from MSI? Like these reviews as I can hear it without any bullshit music in the background.

[@DigitalDemonicDavros]

This needs to be 450 Aussie if they want to sell this.

[@mjgreem8933]

For the WHAT? ☠️💀

[@fourwheelerjock]

I bought mine yesterday and will be getting it tomorrow. I heard and was told that if you ran bith Gen5 m.2 slots at the same time that itll revert the 1st GEN5 slot to 8x instead of 16x. Is that true? I need to know so i know if i can buy 2 gen 5 m.2 if i if need 1 hen 5 and 1 gen 4.

[@Audiosan79]

That is true. I have yet to find a X870 board that can run more than 1 gen5 M.2 without cutting the GPU bandwith in half. It's just stupid that they have 2 and 3 gen5 M.2 slots. Try running a 4090 (gen4 GPU) at PCI-e x8. Also the stupid USB4 is using 4 PCI-e gen5 lanes.

[@fourwheelerjock]

@Audiosan79 Yea I got a 4090 lol. So I guess I'll run a gen4 for my operating system as it really can't utilize those gen 4 speeds anyways and use the top Gen5 for my video editing drive (I editing 4-8K video so I can use those speeds) But I agree, If you can't run 2 gen 5s then don't put them on the board imo. But at least I can run 1 Gen 5 and the other 2 Gen4s and still have that 16x slot for the GPU

[@Hullbreachdetected]

Pcie 1 lane shares bandwidth with pcie lane 2 and m.2_2. If you use either, you will get gen 5 x8 bandwidth. I suggest you always download and read the mobo manual prior to purchase. Btw, if you use pcie 1 at full bandwidth you still get 3 nvme slots and pcie 3 at gen 4 x4. So you can use an expansion card with an nvme gen 4 drive at full bandwidth.

[@Hullbreachdetected]

​@Audiosan79 yea AMD specs for x870 layout require 4 CPU lanes sacrificed for usb4. Like who wants that? 99% want more pcie and m.2 bandwidth.

[@fourwheelerjock]

@Hullbreachdetected Yea I agree, USB 3.2 is just fine at 10GB as most Gen 5 SSD are 12,000MBPS anyways. Oh well, I done got it so it is what it is. I'll just use the Gen 5 slot for my video editing and use the Gen 4s for my main and game drive and retain x16 PCIE slot

[@diamondblack3776]

Don't like these new boards cutting the PCIE lanes and slots as if these are console motherboards. I need at least 2 x8 pcie and a third pcie for 2nd GPU (it can run at 4x) 2 GPUs and a RAID card with 20x HDDs because its a computer, NOT A CONSOLE. Then i would like a 4th pcie free for future expansion. Still using my X99.

[@godnamedtay]

Bro nobody’s running 2 gpu’s anymore, cmon. If u are, this is obv the wrong board. Foh. Also, if u want that many drives, get a nas. Tf are we even talking about out here?? 🤦‍♂️

[@danb3785]

I agree. Why do they have so much USB? Would much prefer ATX boards to have more fully capable PCIe slots that you can then use for whatever you want. Hopefully some future PCIe 5.0 video cards will include NVME ports, 10GB networking, and USB 4 sockets.

[@Djinn112]

we need comparison to tomahawk

[@jonathanlopez3315]

$70 rebate on their website plus free SSD 512GB

[@KelvinKMS]

just make this board for $359

[@gretzy_]

As a content creator who has million things to plugin this looks great….do I wanna look at the price though 🧐

[@lordkittenG]

@@gretzy_ I believe it's around $500 usd

[@TheSjuris]

⁠ x670e Carbon was $40 more at launch.

[@Elimunary]

No eclk at this price point = e-waste.

[@justatim8143]

I am not a fan of them for the cost like Gigabyte only has their top Master board with 8-Layer PCB for Low Loss and all the other $360 and down have 6-Layer PCB Mid Loss and they all have only ALC1220 codec unlike all the other maker have the ALC4080 codec. How much can you downgrade a motherboard and charge more for it before people stop buying them. The GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX for $200 even came with 8-Layer PCB which I would have bought if it didn't have a 15 year old audio codec so I guess upgrading from ALC897 to ALC 1220 is better then nothing.

[@danieltornatore5677]

Bingo bango

[@diamondblack3776]

Another complaint, don't care for 13 usb ports on the hard to access backside. 6 ports is enough A and C variants. Use a desktop 10G HUB with a 10G+power extension cable

[@parthanandi9991]

Do you think that the insane prices of X870E motherboards will come down by end of this year?

[@drewnewby]

Very unlikely, maybe a Micro Center bundle with 9800X3D, for those with one nearby.

[@deadchannelfrom2018]

NOT insane prices 💀

[@TheSjuris]

They are the same prices as their x670es were at least in the US

[@drewnewby]

@TheSjuris Were is not now, X670E is less now, and offers the same performance. Prices will come down sooner than later, just not by year end.

[@TheSjuris]

@@drewnewby it only got lowered on release of the x870e. The x870e will get lowered the instant the new x series AMD board will get released. So don’t expect any changes for the next 2 years and no the x670e carbon doesn’t have usb4.

[@TimeMasterOG]

What an awkward central stand off. Why make the m.2 heat sink so long that it covers it

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I will buy the x870e gigabyte ice white motherboard maybe soon or wait until later.

[@tackuyumcu2626]

i have got x670 e carbon wifi 😎😎👍👍

[@lil----lil]

$500? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Try $300 ~ when you come back down to earth.

[@KelvinKMS]

No. $259 max

[@deadchannelfrom2018]

Worth at least $550

[@godnamedtay]

Don’t give af about AMD, so the lga1851 is what I’m going for. Really wanted to go with unify x with the news of it coming back but looked very underwhelming. Plz don’t be $500+…

[@lordkittenG]

It already is

[@godnamedtay]

@@lordkittenG 😒

[@drewnewby]

@godnamedtay You better believe it is, Arrow Lake is going to be pricey. Intel has bills to pay, and TSMC expects payment by end of month.

[@godnamedtay]

@@drewnewby lmao this is true. It’s just bs that MSI brings back the unify x with missing features & looks like straight up bs now so I gotta go for the carbon which is like $96363748 while I’m already spending close to 1K for a 285k & new ram to take advantage of the speeds. Mobo prices are getting beyond ridiculous for not adding really anything beneficial.

[@johngrammaticus5296]

looks like a worthy upgrade for my X570 MEG ACE roughly same price too

[@vincentsmith9180]

This will be first MSI board that I'm going to buy 😮! Up till now, I've always gone for an ASUS or Gigabyte board. Well, that's gonna change 😉...! Very nice looking board there 😊👌👍🤟!!

[@8020Alive]

Nearly $200 overpriced ⚡

[@deadchannelfrom2018]

Worth at least $550

[@kewtd72]

These boards are useless, it is just all a marketing scam, these do not bring huge performance and no gpu cards out there have pcie5 none of them. Seriously usb ports thats the selling point lmao.

[@Audiosan79]

PCI-e gen5 on GPU's are comming with RTX5000 series. But all that lane sharing and USB4 makes the X870 boards just stupid. It would kind of made sense if there was 32 or 36 PCI-e 5 lanes on the CPU's.

[@deadchannelfrom2018]

You probably ONLY play video games and in 1080p at that 💀

[@NotCommanderShepard]

The only genuinely good thing about the AM5 platform has been the 7800x3D so far. Other than that, it has been a complete disappointment. I'd regret switching over if not for Intel's even worse f-up and the amazing 7800x3D.

[@Ryhillchibulls]

After the hardware unboxed video I thought that i wasn't watching anymore videos about these. I want to support you two though. Please retire saying sata or sata. Everyone knows you're not American and understand the different pronunciation.

[@dv6429]

Oi!! Ya said wat Ozzy!!