MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi Motherboard Overview of Slots and Storage

MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi Motherboard Overview of Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations! As always We say, List Your Top 5 Requirements for a Motherboard. As We Itemize that, what's Your Number One Requirement? Our Number One Requirement, based on Questions We're being asked, is for Content Creation Rendering! So We're looking at this Motherboard because We're Answering a Subscriber Question. Bob has asked and wants to know what Our thoughts are on this Board.
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[@Dremvel2335]

Thank you very much. You were very professional and technical in a plain and direct way. You didn't mince words or beat around the bush with unnecessary opinions. I really needed a direct analysis of this board before switching from my current build. I will definitely be looking for you in the future for more assistance as needed, and also referring others.. Do have a very Blessed Day and a Happy New Year. Namaste.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Namaste, Welcome. Just now seeing Your comments. I'm honored. Thank You very much. Just the facts. Results.

[@walter_lesaulnier]

I love the way you approach each topic. I learn more in a few minutes of your videos than in an hour of many other KZbinr videos.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Walter LeSaulnier, Excellent! Thanks for noticing! Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Solving Problems and Providing Solutions!

[@johnathanw2565]

I am SO glad I found you... I absolutely LOVE the way you break stuff down. Happy to sub! I actually just bought this board on cyber Monday.. Gonna be great to build with for years to come!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jonathan, Welcome! Good choice! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@Rib-Tickler]

exactly what i needed to know. ty

[@zesietakwyraze]

I've been looking for this type of information for over a month. Thank you.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Tomasz Strych, Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@ericpadilla8187]

Subscribed! I’ve been waiting for an articulate, detailed, comprehensive video for this board and you definitely delivered! Already purchased the board based on my own research but wish I had found you a month sooner to save me some more time! Looking to pit with a 7950x, 2TB Samsung 980 NVMe SSD, Nvidia 4080 FE, and potentially a 10G NIC and RAID in future.. hope PCIe 6.0 doesn’t make my $4k build outdated soon haha. Should get me going for now anyway. Thanks for the content and will be following for future, and a bounty of existing, content.

[@helderfilho4724]

Thank You! The best review ever! Greetings from Brazil.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Helder Filho, Welcome from Texas! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@fenfen147]

Thank you so much for this video , i bought this motherboard after watching your rundown at least 10 times , your the guru of this stuff , thanks again

[@Bits-a-Lot]

You're like a proverbial needle in the haystack that is all the gaming and vanity metrics GPU content. I'm diving into ML/Ai and looking to upgrade my desktop to better do local stuff. Loving what I'm hearing about the more affordable RTX 4000 ADA cards. Your videos have already taught me how to better spend my money.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Bits-a-Lot, Welcome! Excellent. A Purpose Built Computer. A balance of processing power suitable to your needs.

[@bhuntin08]

This is a fantastic overview! It answered many questions that I had that I didn't even think to ask until after I bought the board. Thankfully I believe everything I bought for this motherboard and new build will work just fine together. I very much appreciate your hard work and attention to detail!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Barry, Welcome! Outstanding! Appreciate Your Comments! You'll never look at a Motherboard the same way again without asking about PCIe Resources!

[@Thebossreserve]

May the creator provide you with lots of health, peace, and happiness, for you and your family. You are the only KZbin that has mastered the knowledge of plate bifurcation. Thank you for the excellent class. Thank you very much for sharing this knowledge to everyone.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Thebossreserve, Thank You very much. I'm honored. PCIe Bifurcation is a fascinating Topic. Appreciate Your Support.

[@jeffmummert3366]

Outstanding! I'm sold. Subscribed

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jeff, Welcome! Excellent! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Currently working on new Production capabilities!

[@ZappaTime]

Great dive into the spec, thanks for sharing, very useful!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi ZappTime, Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@IbrahimShafiq10]

Love your content, this vid really helped me in my purchasing decisions and I gained a lot of knowledge too. Sincerely wish you all the best!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi SilidSneck, Welcome! Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@Titanium_Man]

Really great and informative video! Keep it up! This has really helped me understand how many M.2 NVME SSDs I can run on this motherboard.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Titanium Man, Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments! Details matter!

[@narkfestmojo6156]

Absolutely amazing technical overview. Looks like an awesome motherboard, definitely on my short list. I was hunting through the English section of the manual for a block diagram or something to indicate lane utilization, figured MSI had just not bothered to include any information. They shouldn't have the block diagram hidden near the end of the manual like that, I think they could jazz it up a bit and put it in the overview section (on the product website) as one of the main promotional images since most manufacturers don't even bother with it.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi narkfestmojo, Welcome! Yes, nice Motherboard. However, none of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500. Above that price approaches the price of a Workstation Motherboard with Workstation features! Agreed, those Block Diagrams are essential and should be more prominently displayed or featured. We have to know PCIe Lane count! Otherwise, obfuscation! As if Motherboard Manufacturer's want to hid that tidbit of relevant Information! ASUS is a good example! MSI currently has the best documentation on Motherboards. Appreciate Your Comments!

[@adamlarussa5243]

This is literally, exactly what I wanted/needed to know. Thank you! I have this motherboard, and I want to use two, Crucial T700 gen 5 drives, but I want to make sure my 4090 doesnt suffer, but also, the two 700's give me the 12k sequential read and write speeds they should, while my 4 TB gen 4 drive still gets me the 7k sequential RW. I have the 7950x3d instead of the 7950x.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Adam, Welcome! Outstanding! Everything assembled? Have You had a chance to Test and Verify Your Results?

[@PulsarDcuo]

And is everything ok ? I’m about to use a 4090 and 2 x Gen 4 m.2’s for now and upgrade to gen 5s later but thinking that may affect the gpu

[@adamlarussa5243]

@BuildOrBuy I have, and it works great! Im getting consistent speeds, and i have plenty of fast storage for everything. Im actually building another pc at the moment, and it will be similar, except im using an Asus ROG Hero x670e MB, and a Asus ROG Strix OC 4090. Im still using the 2 4tb crucial t700's, so we'll see if that one turns out the same way. Thank you again!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@adamlarussa5243, Excellent! Success with Your next Build! Enjoy!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello@@PulsarDcuo, Welcome! Check the Block Diagram. Motherboard PDF Manual, Page 525. M.2_1 and M.2_2 are Dedicated. You'll be good to go! Hope that helps!

[@robertmarquez6084]

wow thanks for explaining every detail on chipset and cpu storage slots it's hard to find info most of the motherboards have 4 m.2 and 6 sata but if you populate all the m.2 you loose 2 satas and i see this board has it all thanks to your review i'll will buy this one thanks again master

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Robert Marquez, Welcome! Definitely Essential information! This is a solid Design of PCIe Resources! Outstanding! Appreciate Your Comments! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@NateRodger]

I found this after watching Buildzoid's ramblings on MSI AM5 mobos. Great breakdown of the board's capabilities. This looks like a real one.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Nate Rodger, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! A clean, simple layout! None of the oddities or crazy Configurations We see on other X670E Motherboards with too many Shared Connectors! There are only so many PCIe Resources available to use at one time! And Yes, We definitely need more PCIe Resources! MSI made smart decisions on this Motherboard!

[@techieg33k]

This was the last video I needed to see to know this is the right board for my needs. Thank you

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Logan, Welcome! Glad We could help! Based on the Layout of PCIe Resources, this Motherboard has a solid Design and Layout. None of the crazy implementations We see on other Consumer Desktop Motherboards with give and take. Enjoy Your Build ! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@techieg33k]

@@BuildOrBuy the PCIe 4.0 x4 at the bottom that shouldn't get covered by larger GPUs, solid analog audio output, and two m.2 slots directly to the CPU without taking away from the PCIe 5.0 slots is rare to find . Will do!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@techieg33k, Agreed! Sounds like a Plan. Now to see if everything on Paper implements accordingly! Success on Your Build!

[@techieg33k]

@@BuildOrBuy I'll find out in a couple weeks.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@techieg33k, Not that far away in time! Counting down the clock!

[@tao4124]

Excellent explanation. I am already a subscriber. Thanks.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Tao, Welcome! Thank You! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments and Support!

[@gunsmoke9030]

Watched this video before it arrived, took video of unboxing and low and behold a missing wifi antenna and the box and bag looked to be opened/closed/returned many times (amazon) primary seller.. i returned and purchased from microcenter and had much better luck so far. Great video, subscribed.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Gunsmoke, Welcome! Loved that Show! Excellent timing! Hard to believe that situation happens now. More the norm than the exception! Crazy times. Glad You were prepared! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments and Sharing Your experience!

[@lovepeacewar32]

Great video! Subscribed👊😁

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi lovepeacewar32, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! Thank You for Your Support! This Motherboard, so far, has the best utilization of PCIe Resources of any of the X670E Motherboards for the price of the ones We've been asked about!

[@clausbohm9807]

Thanks for getting into the weeds, please do more on the z790's. I am learning a lot from your tutorial. I agree no MB's of these classes over $500.00

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Claus Bohn, Something like that! Necessary when covering Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations! Thank You very much! A distinct possibility! Yes, these Motherboard prices are ridiculous for a Consumer Desktop Motherboard! Anything over that price is approaching the price of a Workstation Motherboard. New HEDT Motherboards may come back in 12 months or so. None released nor confirmed but much talked about!

[@CreateNowSleepLater]

One of the rare board I've seen that does 16x/0x/4x, that means you can use the 3rd slot without downgrading PCIe 1 to x8! USB4 doesnt hurt the board but that 60w front connector or maybe a Thunderbolt header would have been incredible.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Creative Now Sleep Later, MSI has avoided Thunderbolt 4 on the X670E Chipset. Look at the Block Diagram in the back of the PDF Manual on Page 525. PCI_E3 is through the Primary Chipset. Dedicated! PCI_E2 is Shared to CPU. HDMI and DisplayPort Out! See Back Panel Connectors, Page 24. Nice Layout. Clean and Simple.

[@giba232]

As with all previous videos. Looking forward for this one. Planning to build a powerful enough PC for 3D modeling with 3ds max and unreal engine. To render with vray, Corona. And for heavy use of Autocad and Revit

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi giba232, Welcome! Sounds like You need more than 16 CPU Cores! Thanks for Sharing and Watching!

[@mqcapps]

You have said many times that when you get a new part to put the camera on it. This happened to me last week in that I got a cooler, supposedly new, but the box was punctured and unsealed, plus it was missing parts. The vendor did good and replaced it right away and he said that perhaps at the Amazon warehouse somebody just grab something and shoveled it in the envelope. That's lesson in distribution centers that I'm going to remember. In one of my earlier lives which was working in retail they taught us that every merchandise return can equal 10 return customers. Some of the PC vendors have forgotten that and I had to write the COO's and CEOs of these companies to complain. I don't want any of these kids fired, I want them to learn!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Mike Quinton, An experience that leaves a mark on Your psyche. Hard to realize and difficult to forget. Having proof can make the difference. Glad You had a positive outcome. Overworked and underpaid. Amazon is laying off too many good people. Agreed. Don't want to see anyone get fired. Tough situation. I was always taught to take care of the customer. No business without Their Business! Thanks for Sharing! Happy Thanksgiving!

[@lukebraddford3287]

Man you are the best resource of information. Correct me if I’m wrong, it looks like I don’t have to buy the x670 extreme for my 7950x. This will take my 3090 in GPU Slot 1, two M2’s with PCIE gen5 connected to the CPU (not sharing lanes) and my avermedia 4k capture in the bottom x4 slot.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Luke Braddford, Thank You! Very much Appreciated! Absolutely correct! Amazing right! An easy Solution! Success on Your Build! And Happy Thanksgiving!

[@n1trodogg]

Thanks for the very informative video - PCIe lane distribution is so important! I've been trying to decide between this mobo and Asus' ROG Strix X670E-E (leaning more towards the carbon), but now that the first PCIe 5.0 m.2 drive has just released with a MASSIVE heatsink to go with it, I'm worried about clearance issues; not just on the two mobos I'm looking at, but the whole current generation. :(

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi n1trodogg, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Definitely a much overlooked Topic of great importance! Interesting options. Does Thunderbolt matter? If not, MSI! This is a good Chipset to work with. Gigabyte Aorus Gen5 10000 M.2 NVMe? That Heatsink looks a lot like the Acidalie We've Tested. One of Our Top 2 out of 16 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Heatsinks Tested so far. All about Results. Very Good point. PCIe 5.0 is supposed to be short-lived since PCIe 6.0 is coming. And that's supposed to be with Us for a while. How soon? We're just now getting ready to see PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives. Look how long that has taken and is still taking! The M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Drives are still not optimized for Heat. We need better Designs of the Drives and Heatsinks. Instead of just bigger Heatsinks, We need efficiency! The faster We go, the hotter We can expect! Hope that helps!

[@n1trodogg]

@@BuildOrBuy Oh yes, I see now you have tested a number of m.2 heatsinks in the past. I will have to to give those videos a watch to see what configurations you tested, because even if those large heatsinks can be seated on the m.2 just above a PCIe 5.0 x16 populated with a graphics card, the gpu's just gonna be blasting hot air through/at the heatsink! (not accounting for custom liquid cooling, which I am staying away from right now)

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@n1trodogg, Part of the process of Test and Verify! What We do know so far, based on Results, Passive Cooling is much more effective than Active Cooling on M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives! Those were fascinating Test results! Agreed. Much prefer Noctua Cooling.

[@deeps.29]

This video was very helpful. I really like the PCIe lane implementation in this board. It will work for my 7950x build. RTX 4080 in x16 Slot 1, 2x M.2 in CPU wired slots, potentially in RAID 0 and a 10G NIC in PCIe slot 3. Can also add a couple of SATA drives. Would it be possible for you review Asus ROG Strix X670E-F motherboard too? I believe that board should also be able to do what I mentioned above! Thanks much for your video on MSI x670e Carbon.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Deepanshu Arora, Welcome! Excellent! Yes, lots of Potential! A clean implementation of X670E Chipset! The ASUS You've mentioned, Distinctly possible. No promises right now. Lots of chatter about HEDT. First Intel then possibly AMD to follow, again! New Chipsets means new Motherboards all over again. The Advantage? More PCIe Resources! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@deeps.29]

@@BuildOrBuy honestly if HEDTs are really coming in next few weeks, I'll hold off. Tired of waiting for Intel to release them. My current build is 6 years old and has 40 PCIe lanes. 24 usable lanes seems a step down but at least MSI did a good job making them available to users. I'll go ahead and get started with MSI x670e Carbon + Ryzen 9 7950x. If intel really comes around with HEDT, with reasonable price, will switch.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@deeps.29, Good choice for now. 6 years, You've done well. At 7 Years, You're already feeling the need to Upgrade. We have Several Viewers coming out of a 10 Year slumber asking Questions about what's going on with the newer Computer Technologies and where are We going. What can We expect. Both Intel and AMD abandoned the HEDT and now based on the chatter, Intel has product for that market segment in the works! When? Historically, follow the Tradeshows like CES. My crystal ball forecasting would say 12 Months out and Your need is now! And once Intel releases product, AMD will follow close behind. However We have to think about Product cycles and Technology cycles. What We know to be true, anything yet announced will embrace PCIe 5.0 and DDR5. Which means, new Chipsets and new Motherboards! An exciting time to be Building a new Computer! Yes sometimes it seems We step back before moving forward such as You have Outlined. Ans so true with the HEDT! That HEDT Technology bridges the gap from Consumer Desktop Motherboard to Workstation! This Motherboard has a clean simple Design and Implementation of the Chipset. Enjoy Your new Build!

[@darkness3038]

Hey very interesting video ! I have a question, if I understand with this motherboard if I put like 2 nvme ssd the bus x16 will be divided by 2 so it will allocate x8 only ? If yes I think I am going for a X670E aorus master that separates gpu use and nvme, I don’t want my GPU to be impacted by ssd. Thank you 🙏 !

[@antoineprouzos7542]

thank you for your very good explanation !!!! but it was not simplel for me in english lol. which slots would you advise for an RTX3080 GPU and 2 nvme samsung 970 evo pcie 4.0 ? 1 nvme in M2_1, second nvme in M2_3 and gpu in PCI_E_1 ? thank you

[@jaylc]

My prebuilt came with a 4k60 elgato capture card in the 2nd slot. I feel like this js stealing lanes after watching your video. Will it work fine if I plug and play to the 3rd slot? Thank you for being so informative. Subbed.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jay C, Welcome! I'm honored! Nice Build. Good Question. Curious choice. CPU PCIe Lanes or Chipset PCIe Lanes. Card requires PCIe X4 Slot. Curious. More efficient for Capture card. Less efficient for GPU. Run a Test and Compare. Check GPU Performance then Capture card Performance. That should do just fine in the 3rd Slot. Keep Us Posted on Your Results! BTW: Now that You think in Terms of PCIe Resources, You'll never look at a Motherboard the same way again as before!

[@ShadowRaids666]

Really appreciate the informational video, very underrated channel imo. I still dont fully understand how the lane allocation works. I'm looking at running a 4090 in the PCIE 1 slot with PCIE Gen 3/4 M.2 drives in all the M.2 slots on the board. Would that limit the bandwidth or do I have to leave M2_1 empty and only run 3 M.2s? I want to be able to add more storage in the future through the SATA ports but I dont want to accidentally limit the bandwidth.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello ShadowRaids, Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Looking at the Block Diagram on Page 525 of the PDF Manual for this Motherboard, stay away from using PCIe 4.0x8 PCI_E2 if You want GPU to utilize all X16 CPU PCIe Lanes. On this Motherboard, all M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives are Dedicated! PCIe 4.0x4 PCI_E3 Slot is Dedicated through the Chipset. Hope that helps!

[@ShadowRaids666]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@ShadowRaids666, Absolutely!

[@Rib-Tickler]

@BuildOrBuy Are the memory, USB3.2 Tpe A/C that link to the CPU, counted as a pci lane? time 13.46 thanks. In otherwords if i had 2x m.2 and graphics card in top slot, that would be running at full speed or not?

[@ThorDyrden]

Just in case you are also watching this, as you encounter issues with the MSI X670e Carbon PCIe-3 slot not detecting cards. It seems this is not an issue of line sharing, but a bug introduced in recent Bios-Versions. PCIe-3 seems unable to detect PCIe x1 cards (Source: long discussion in MSI-Forum "msi-mpg-x670e-carbon-wifi-pcie-slot-no-longer-works-after-bios-update")

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Thor Dyrden, Welcome! Slot 3 is through the Chipset. Dedicated. Not Shared. 4 PCIe 4.0 Chipset Lanes. Bios problems. Interesting. Thanks for Sharing!

[@thani9352]

Good video. Now I can decide even less which motherboard to buy. I would like to purchase a Ryzen 9 7950x. But I am still unsure between Asrock Taichi and MSI MPG Carbon. Or is there still a more reasonable motherboard for the CPU for the price up to 800$? Thanks for the video

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Thani, Welcome! Thank You! This MSI X670E Motherboard does the job nicely! No odd issues with PCIe Resource allocations! This is the best choice as long as You know, no USB4! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!

[@maxmi3091]

Hi, is it possible and advisable to place one m.2 for the OS and one for data on the third and fourth m.2 slots and leave the first two slots free to install one or two m.2 pcie 5 there later? Or should the OS m.2 always be placed in the first slot? As far as I understand correctly, there is no lanesharing on the board and as long as only one GPU is installed, it always gets x16 or is it reduced to x8 as soon as you install too many m.2?

[@shitcoinsrus]

hi. thank you for taking the time to make this video. i have the following build, and would love to hear your opinion on its set up 7950x x670e carbon 2x 3090 2x m.2 ssd 192gb non ecc ram (apparently msi released a driver update for the mb to support 192gb?) 4x48 20tb hdd i will mostly be using the set up for deep learning. would i have any issues with using the first 2 pcie slots for my gpu and the first 2 m.2 slots for my ssd? thank you

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello luketow9297, Welcome! You mean a Bios Update on that RAM Count. As for 2 GPUs, each will be utilizing X8, not X16. You'll have to Test and Verify Results. Good Motherboard Layout. Simple and Clean. Everything else looks copacetic!

[@Bman67]

My #1 requirement is for the motherboard to not have issues right from the damn factory. I've now had two asus rog b650e-e motherboards with problems. The first one I eventually returned it for a refund because the bios wouldn't update properly even after tech support had me try numerous things. The second one has a raid message when booted after a bios update or a cmos reset on the ami screen that won't go away. I'm currently going back and forth with tech support right now but, I wouldn't be surprised if they tell me I need to send it to them. This shit has been going on months now and I'm beyond sick and tired of building and taking my pc apart over and over again because they build garbage.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jack, Welcome! This is most troubling. You are not the first having ridiculous issues with a Brand new ASUS Motherboard! Just 2 days ago another valued Subscriber had Memory error problems with an ASUS X670E Motherboard. As if the Traces were flawed when the Case was stood up. Probably from flex. ASUS may outsell other Motherboard Manufacturers 2 to 1 but if they're having Quality Control issues, that could change quickly! What's Your next option for a different brand of Motherboard? Thanks for Sharing!

[@overkillonslash]

The only thing this board needs is a Eclck generator

[@Avalon1489]

Would it be okay to populate the Gen 5 nvme drives with gen 4? I want to install 4 tb 980 pros onto this mother board.

[@AlexC259]

Also one important feature this board has for me is it supports 4 usb 3.2 ports through 2 20 pin connectors. My case has 4 usb 3.2 connections on the front, this is important because I constantly using usb and plugging in the back is a pain. Not many board’s support 2 20 pin usb 3.2 ports. This one does.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Alex C, Welcome! Good point! Glad You brought that up! Have You Built yet? Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@AlexC259]

@@BuildOrBuy not yet, waiting on 7900x3d

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@AlexC259, Got it! And probably a Bios Update. End of February which translates to probably May. In the meantime, getting everything else lined up and ready!

[@user-xw8uy6zs9x]

If I have understand correctly, the AM5 chip-set does not share the PCI-e 5.0 with the M.2_1 like the Intel Z790 chip-set does. Am I right? So, I can have my GPU running at 5.0x16 while having at the same time my M.2_1 at GEN5 x4 speeds.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi 望み, Welcome! Yes! Excellent, Astute Observation! Also worth noting if this matters, the Intel Z790 cannot fully Bifurcate a X16 Lane PCIe Slot (X8+X8). Whereas the AMD X670E can (X4+X4+X4+X4)! Fascinating if You need that capability for latter adding additional M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives! hope that helps!

[@justrife]

never in my life have I ran across someone who dove this deep, this sealed the deal on a gaming rig that I'm building using a 7950x3d, has all the sata slots I need, m.2 to the cpu, what ram would you recommend?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi justrife, Welcome. Perception and Perspective. Thank You. Stick with MSI QVL to ensure compatibility and stability.

[@georgeindestructible]

2:52 So the second chipset doesn't directly communicate to the CPU directly but only via going through the first chipset? Wow i didn't know that at all, very good to know thank you. Do you happen to know if this is a Ryzen 7000 limitation or specific to motherboard implementation(i would assume the first?)?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello George Indestructible, Welcome! Excellent Question. A Motherboard Block Diagram makes that detail easier to digest. Short Answer by Design. 1. CPU 2. Chipset 3. Motherboard Chipsets Rule! And not enough PCIe Resources on Consumer Desktop Motherboards to accommodate everything simultaneously. Crazy, right.

[@georgeindestructible]

@@BuildOrBuy yeah it's kinda crazy, thank you very much, very good information you have on your videos. :D

[@jameswubbolt7787]

Thanks Gil. Is it true you lose sleep mode with expos?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi james wubbolt, Yes, true. No S3 with AMD Expo! It's a Bios issue that may eventually get solved. Right now, S3 only on Laptops! New Platform takes time to stabilize. Seems to be mixed as to which Motherboards are having difficulty. ASUS seems to be less affected but still some Motherboards are not stable with S3 Wake Up and AMD EXPO enabled. We had those issues on X399 and TRX40. Just Set Power Profile in Windows to High Performance! On or Off, no in-between! Such is technology on the bleeding edge!

[@nisimk5613]

I have two RAM sticks total of 64GB where should I put it in the slots left to right 1 2 3 or 4

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi nism K, Welcome! Great Question on any Motherboard! Confusing, right. According to the MSI Motherboard PDF Manual, 1. DIMMA2 which is Channel A. And to Support Dual Channel... 2. DIMMB2 which is Channel B. Seems backwards but this is straight from MSI. Hope that helps!

[@MrAwesomeGuyblah]

If I want max storage without decreasing bandwidth to PCIe 1, which slots would I install my M.2 SSDs? Also would any SATA ports be disabled if using any M.2 slots? I want to maintain x16 in PCIe 1.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello MrAwesomeGuyblah, Welcome! Just now seeing Your Comment! We do not always receive notifications on Comments. Great Question! 1. Do NOT use M.2_1. All other M.2 NVMe PCIe Connectors are good to go! 2. All SATA Ports are Dedicated through the Chipset on this Motherboard. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!

[@spectre9466]

Can I change the rgb logo on this motherboard to a static colour of my choice?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi spectre9466, Welcome! Excellent Question! We've been able to do that for quite some time. To use a custom logo, turn off Secure Boot. Create a bmp file with Your custom RGB Logo and convert to EPA format using Bioslogo program. Enjoy!

[@sisky365]

Hello, I've been watching alot of your videos about pcie lane allocation. If you would, could you recommend a solution to what I'm looking for. Let me start by saying my end goals. First. I'd like my gpu slot to have all 16 lanes, second I plan on running a m.2 nvme boot drive, and another m.2 nvme drive for my main storage.( it seems alot of the mobos i look at, i lose pcie lanes on gpu by using m.2) 3rd, would be price. I don't need the latest and greatest, I'd like something reasonable if at all possible. I've been leaning towards 5000 series ryzen to give you an idea of where I'm at. I'd be using this for small editing projects and gaming. Thanks for the great content.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Dustin Sisk, Welcome! Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments! On the Ryzen 5950X We have 20 usable PCIe CPU Lanes and on the X570 Chipset We have 16 usable PCIe Chipset Lanes. Whereas on the X670E Chipset and Ryzen 7950X CPU, We have 24 usable PCIe CPU Lanes and on the X670E Chipset We have 8 + 12 (20) usable Chipset Lanes. 20 + 16 or 24 + 20 Those few extra PCIe Lanes on CPU and Chipset make a big difference! Most all of the Consumer Desktop Motherboards with Shared PCIe Resources are a mess! Lots of Connectors but hard choices of give and take. That's why We do these Motherboard Overviews to compare Design vs Implementation. Every Motherboard is different! This Motherboard would be Your best choice in Slots and Storage for PCIe Resources. Nothing crazy going on with this Motherboard. Both CPU and Motherboard are reasonably priced. Next step would be a Workstation with Dedicated Resources! Hope that helps!

[@sisky365]

Just for clarification, you're recommending this msi mpg 670e mobo paired with a 5950x? That will let me use an m.2 boot and another m.2 for main storage without taking lanes from my gpu? Thanks for the reply!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@sisky365, No. A 7950X with this X670E Motherboard. The 5950X works with the X570 Motherboard. Hope that helps! Big difference in PCIe Resources!

[@lisacaycyfoster]

Is there a list of X670E motherboards that have the correct width and length form factor for upcoming PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSDs?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Lisa, Welcome! Unfortunately there is none that We have seen. Even the Motherboard Manufacturers are still only listing 2280mm and not 2580mm. This is the latest Info We know of right now. Phison's PCIe Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSDs Delayed, Were Supposed To Launch This Month wccftech.com/phison-pcie-gen5-nvme-m-2-ssds-delayed-were-supposed-to-launch-this-month/ Hope that helps! Seems Consumer M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Drives have not been a Priority with Phison. Very odd considering the market support of both AMD and Intel!

[@lisacaycyfoster]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for your reply.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@lisacaycyfoster, Absolutely! Everything is so upside down right now. Wish We had more to go on. We all just have to wait and watch!

[@mark-ze4en]

Howdy Gil. Last time I posted commented here I was on the verge of purchasing a Z790 ProArt Creator for home audio. I managed to resist the temptation for just long enough for ASUS to get themselves into trouble. Now it seems there is an existential crisis in the industry. I, of course, did not move forward with the purchase of the ASUS board after the news broke. Wondering what your opinion of this issue is. Maybe a video? Hope you are well. M

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello mark, Very astute observations! Fiasco is an understatement! Latest does not always mean greatest. We're undergoing growing Pains. PCIe 5.0 is the step, the bridge, an experiment to get us to PCIe 6.0. Albeit an expensive one! Never seen anything like this unless We bring up the leaking electrolyte issues We had several years back. That was a mess! Vendors literally scrubbed all data about that! But this now, We'll be surprised if there are no law suits over this. Fried CPUs. Burned Motherboards. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Too early to release a Video on this yet. We need to wait for that. We see two timelines. One of products. The other of Technology. This current crop is a mess. We realized that with this Z790 Chipset which was neutered from the get go! To reiterate, the current Consumer Desktop Motherboards that should not cost over $500 are like the King has no clothes scenario. As soon as someone says so, this deck of cards will fall like dominoes! After the TRX40 came the WRX80. Neither of which is from Intel. Our next Video will be about DDR5. A phenomenal step forward considering the I3C Bus alone! More to come! Glad You held off, right!

[@mark-ze4en]

@@BuildOrBuy Do you 'think' it was the intel MOBO's or just that other components being highly promoted were exceeding the 1.3 power limit of the Intel processors?? The chipset was kind of a rip off with the bifurcation but if it worked (even with a NVMe gen 4 in that one PCIe 5 slot on the processor of the ProArt Z790) the board 'would have been a useful DAW machine. with th 2 TB4 ports and externals. ALAS, it's such a cluster bundle now,,, I think you are right ,, a Civil suit is probably the coming attraction but,,, cripes, I sure hate to think about going MAC studio. I know that Board works fine for many,, but I have heard some complaints about that as well. THanks for getting back to me Gil! Stay well. I'll be watching!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello@@mark-ze4en, Both AMD and Intel have a hand in this technology mess. Not enough testing. The question is who is responsible. Design or Implementation. A conundrum. We're getting ready for PCIe 6.0! This is just growing pains at the expense of Consumers! Indubitably!

[@mark-ze4en]

@@BuildOrBuy both id say. You probably have a much better picture of the situation but it seems folks were overclicking and taking the risks of throttling and overheating. We're a long way rom pcie6 and then another year to really imlplement test and varify.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello@@mark-ze4en, Up for conjecture. PCIe 5.0 is suppose to be Short lived. PCIe 6.0 is suppose to be longer term. For now, PCIe 4.0 is safe. It works. We shall see. Time will tell.

[@MTDucas]

if the mother board uses 2 chipsets from the B650 boards what does the E boards bring to the table ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Marius Cozmaniuc, Welcome! Excellent Question! According to the AMD Socket AM5 Chipset Specifications Chart, Two Items. 1. More PCIe Lanes of which there are still not enough of to do what everyone wants or expects! 2. And more USB-C 10Gbps Ports. Instead of more USB-C anything, those other PCIe Lanes should be allocated to Slots and Storage! www.amd.com/en/chipsets/am5 Every Motherboard should have 2 X16 PCIe Slots, electrically not just mechanically. Just not enough PCIe Lanes for everything! Hope that helps!

[@ReZel80657]

I am looking at this board for a new workstation PC and the bigest problem i have is i have 7 devices that needs SATA ports and the only MSI board i can find with 8 is the Godlike which is waaaay out of what i would like to spend, i would like to get around that by adding an x4 PCI-E HBA card with more SATA ports but i cant find any info thats says what happens if i add that HBA card to the bottom PCI-E slot does that slot cut off SATA ports? if so there is no point in getting a PCI-E HBA card and maybe an M.2 HBA card is better but then i need to remove the motherboard M.2 heatsinks otherwise i cant plug SATA cables into the M.2 HBA card so thats also a hassle

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi ReZel, Welcome! Excellent Question! PCI_E3 is through the Chipset, 4 PCIe Lanes Dedicated. Motherboard Block Diagram helps immensely! Adding 4 SATA Ports. OK. Be aware SATA directly on the Motherboard is mapped 1 Chipset PCIe Lane to each SATA Port. Therfore You'll have better Throughput than if using a SATA Add in card which may map 2 SATA Ports per PCIe Lane. With everything going M.2 NVMe, for what are You using so many SATA Drives simultaneously? Have You considered Hot Swap/ Hot Plug Bay Drives?

[@ReZel80657]

@@BuildOrBuy Its all hard drives with video audio and pictures and i need it all for work i did try taking two drives out i was using less and putting it in my second PC but moving huge amounts of files between the PC was so slow that i dropped it and put them back, right now i have an X570 board with 8 SATA ports and i am just going to keep using that until it dies if i cant get a new board with 8 working ports or get a HBA card that works or maybe i am going to buy an x8 SAS card put it in the top slot and move the GPU to the second slot and live with it being x8

[@ReZel80657]

@@BuildOrBuy I could bring the number of drives down to 6 if Seagate release those new 30 Tb HAMR drives they keep talking about, also i dont need full SATA III speed the fastest drives are up to 285 mb/s so even if the last two SATA ports on the motherboard are slower due to being on the chipset and the the HBA card also being slower due to running off the chipset it does not matter as long as i can run all 7 drives and they dont move too slow its fine and i also have a Delock PCI-E x1 gen 3 HBA card with 2 SATA ports on it that i have laying around and never used

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@ReZel80657, We have identified 4 Motherboards with 8 SATA Ports. Chipsets: 2 - X570, TRX40 and WRX80. 1. ASUS AM4 TUF GAMING X570-Plus ATX Motherboard amzn.to/3MNAJbn 2. ASUS ROG STRIX TRX40-E GAMING sTRX4 AMD amzn.to/3ogXA50 3. EVGA X570 DARK, 121-VR-A579-KR, AM4, AMD X570 amzn.to/41wS2Sd 4. ASRock WRX80 CREATOR R2.0 AMD WRX80 SATA 6Gb/s Extended ATX AMD Motherboard EATX AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO amzn.to/3L5SQb6 As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! Hope that helps!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@ReZel80657, Sounds like a more viable option! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@gooseuk1985]

How quick are boot up times with this board ? Looking to get away from asus and there shit slow times

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi GOOSE UK, Welcome! Long Boots, Bovine Scitology! Updating AGESA Code hence Bios Updates. There are additional Bios settings that can help improve Boot times. DDR5 is still bleeding edge! Getting everything ready for DDR6, Bugs have to be ironed out now! Hope that helps!

[@tehsimo]

I nearly didn't buy this because of the freaking PCIE4/5 typo in the manual which is STILL THERE

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi simo, Welcome! Good point! Always read Online Specs and Compare with PDF Manual Specs. Test and Verify! On which page in the PDF Manual did You find the typo about PCIe 5.0 and PCIe 4.0? Are You up and running on this Motherboard?

[@tehsimo]

@@BuildOrBuy page 525 of the multi language manual from the official website. No I decided to go with a new GPU instead, the upgrade for DDR5 etc wasn't worth the cost

[@jamesbowen6144]

Nice board ,,, but out of my price range ....

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi James Bowen, Welcome! Understand. This one is more reasonably priced than most other Motherboards using this X670E Chipset. Thanks for Watching!

[@Thebossreserve]

Guys, is anyone already using this motherboard? I'm looking for a reliable board that doesn't give me a headache, I see a lot of reviews with defects, so if anyone can tell me I'd appreciate it.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Thebossreserve, Good idea. Great question. Best solution would be to get it, build it. And immediately test. Stay within the 30 day return window. And retain all packaging just in case until relatively certain of stability. Three days should be sufficient for burn-in aka smoke test.

[@celeron.26]

Nice. Gen 5.0 SSDs is now soundly underway😊

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Celeron26, Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments! To clarify, full support for M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 SSD Drives is underway! We should see them very soon!

[@mark-ze4en]

I know when Gil isn't talking about the newest motherboards,, then there simply ain't any new viable products worth talking about. Sadly I think I'm gonna have to make do with an ASUS z790 ProArtCreator board given the cost of any HEDT with thunderbolt. I apparently have misunderstood some of the info you have provided in you bifurcation videos,(as I am sure you will agree ). I read an article that explained that the PCIe 5x16 lane provided in the Z790 series which can only be split to 2x8x8 was designed(thanks Intel) more specifically for the GPU not the CPU,, if that can't be used for an additional drive in a DAW use it's an awful waste of technology .IF that drive is useable for DAW what is the best configuration,,,,, then (specifically) what M.2 slots are the best for audio production? Miss your in depth vids Gil! Hope you are well!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi mark, Good observation! The Z790 is a neutered Chipset. More CPU Lanes but lost if Split. The Prioritization starts at Slots then Storage. That's the order of PCIe Resources. And the Split or Bifurcation is only X8X8 instead of X4X4X4X4. What a waste. Losing 8 Lanes. Think about this. What 3 things does PCIe 5.0 deliver? 1. A PCIe 5.0 Slot 2. M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive 3. Seperate but follows along, DDR5. The GPU is no longer Driving the Bus. And has not since PCIe 3.0. At that time, PCIe 3.0 ushered in M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives! Remember the RED Accelerator? Maybe 8 years ago? The point? That Product was introduced to Accelerate Rendering. It was discontinued when GPUs were able to Render effectively thus the Red Accelerator was discontinued. And it was expensive! M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 SSD Drives are now finally being introduced. We Discuss them according to the Spec. Burst mode. Not actual Throughput. And DDR5 is a mess. Bad Memory Controllers on CPUs. No Bios Update can resolve that. Yes everything is going DDR5. Yes everything is pushing PCIe 5.0. Remember PCIe 5.0 was suppose to be short term. Why? PCIe 6.0 is suppose to be long term. Lots of bleeding edge bugs right now to be resolved before PCIe 6.0. And what does Intel offer? Over priced and underdelivered. We had high hopes forvthe W790. Suppose to be a Workstation Chipset. More like a HEDT. However, look at the price. A WRX80 is a better value. Working on a Video to Outline DDR5. Fascinating changes going on right now. What's happening now reminds me of when Intel had warehouses full of Pentium 60 / 66s. A Short lived mess. This too shall pass. BTW: Appears ASUS has removed their Bifurcation chart. Curious. More Obfuscation. And no Block Diagrams. That Speaks volumes.

[@mark-ze4en]

@@BuildOrBuy Hmm,,, I saw the latest on the T700 NVMe PPCIe 5 coming up,, sounds good at first but the video explained it's short comings. Essentially though, as I understand it,, the Memory controllers(ECC) must have parity through the 'bios and the memory stick' as you have pointed out previously. Correct me if I am wrong. While the Z790 'chipset' supplies 4 M.2 slots ( 3 @gen 4 and 1 @ gen three), they are "on die" devices with no "through system" error correction (as is all ram DDR 3-4 &5) are not in parity with the CPU(bios) and I might expect some instability there?.~ However , the 2 thunderbolt 4 ports are connected directly through the CPU as is the provided PCIe5 slot in the 2x8x8 bifurcation. I believe that slot is usable even without the Graphics card installed. I believe,,, ~ If that M.2 stick does not have memory control does it sink the entire ship? How stable is it? And, is there any single M.2 gen 4 storage device that does have ECC memory control to work in parity with i7-13700k? I think CRUCIAL has some !? And, what might I expect from the chipset storage devices as far as DAW usage goes? Is there a difference in the instability factors for GPU and CPU? A dropped frame in GPU is not as noticeable as in sequential audio rendering. If I may extend my questioning: when I decided to upgrade my audio PC I was interested in the Mac studio or Mac MINI M1 ( Now the MINI M2 pro). How does mac make all this happen ? They generally offer only 1 storage device( which may simplify the technical aspect of operation) and it's hard to tell what you're getting inside. But, their technology seems to work just fine. Is the Mac Integrated silicon chip have error correction throughout the system? I just don't like their business model or the cost of expansion ,,etc,etc. The WRX80 is awesome but really, at 5k for parts it is not what one would refer to as "a better deal" even if it does work. Throw in the Threadripper Pro and $$$$$$. To the extent to which the current Upper end boards like the Z790 are apparently built with not only planned obsolescence but known malfunction right out of the box how is it that legal civil suit is not brought about? It is hard to imagine that soooo many gamers and professionals would continue to build with these boards if they are so wack. Societal behavior is not always a very good yardstick by which to judge an industrial or other practice or circumstance but if the product is so unreliable why are we NOT hearing more? ~ $$$ talks,,,, and consumers are addictive users? Maybe ,,too much Philosophy. I just want a board that works,,, right?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@mark-ze4en, ECC, another Fascinating Topic! We'll start with DDR5 RAM then progress further into ECC SSD Controllers. We need to keep those two seperate to minimize confusion. For now, the Memory Controller in a CPU talks to RAM. If a Bios has settings for Parity, that is ECC Support for ECC RAM. The Memory Controller on an SSD talks to the SSD or NVMe Memory. On Die, Yes but have not seen any documentation giving that specific definition but that's the end result. Yes. Well stated. The HEDT was a perfect step up between Consumer Desktop and Workstation. Right now, Audio Rendering is CPU. Eventually that too will change to a more efficient GPU Rendering. There's an audio app working that direction now. How does Apple do what they do? Proprietary. There was a time when Building a Mac was possible. Apple bought the company and killed the technology. Just like Adobe and Microsoft have done. On a PC, for Intel, source a Binned CPU which is tested for higher quality. Can't help but wonder what is the die yield and what is the failure rate. Proprietary knowledge. We're seeing a lot of obfuscation, possibly to lower expectations. Everyone wants the latest thinking it's the greatest. Not so. Keep it Simple and Make it Work! All about the music!

[@mark-ze4en]

@@BuildOrBuy Hmm GPU processing CPU tasks. Interesting. I have heard about some of that. I thought CPU would be the more advanced Processing,, after all these years . But I guess with the number of Gamers and Video editing the industry leaned hard on GPU. I know MAC certainly does and yes ,, so Proprietary ,,who knows what's under the hood of a mac.~So I am to assume the question of ECC in that one Z790 PCIe slot is same as all the others regardless of it's Direct connection to the processor as the 2 Thunderbolt 4 ports? Thanks Gil for your quick response. If only I could afford a threadripper,,, It would solve some issues. Peace Buddy!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@mark-ze4en, GPU Audio www.gpu.audio/ Wild, right! Just a matter of time. The TRX40 HEDT was perfect! Yes, the WRX80 solves lots of problems. At a price. That's a longer term investment. Vendors want Users to buy less so We buy more often. That's the value proposition being offered.