Commander, but First to Lose Wins! | Commander Clash S16 E26

[@kurowasanabe]

"All right, clash on!" "I concede" "GGs everyone!"

[@devinkerr5474]

I was expecting Phage ramp

[@SWAT6809]

​@@devinkerr5474same, how would you not just glass cannon phage and tutor for cavern of souls

[@danpearman270]

Phil in normal EDH - infinite lands, infinite value, infinite card draw, zero interaction. Phil trying to lose - one land and a handful of counterspells... Do you think maybe he's trying to send a message to Crim?

[@masonhaugen742]

This was really fun to watch. Next idea: everyone plays a "Group Hug" deck and the first person to make someone else "Win" wins the game.

[@kuroninjaofshadows]

Yes! I vote this!

[@HappleProductions]

Wouldn't this require making them win through alternate win cons? Usually, you win through elimination. I'm not that well-versed on random options in MTG. How many alternate win cons can target other players?

[@blakethesnake6686]

Maybe they start at 0 and getting to 40 kills you?

[@greenie277]

@@blakethesnake6686 This is a decent idea, but to be a good game you need pentagram like rules as well. With a 4 player pod you'd be trying to make the person to your left win, and this enables attacks to try to stop someone from winning. It gets sticky though because pay life effects essentially read the person to your right can't win the game. There are also far more and more powerful options for making players lose life than there are for making opponents gain life. You'd likely need to prohibit negative life totals because of this, and then you're still stuck with people choosing not to block so they don't lose. You could make combat damage cause life gain, but at that point you've basically just flipped life gain and loss.

[@zacharymangen754]

Man that first game played out like a cedh game. All 4 player’s meaningfully interacted with each other a and little bit of stax.

[@crawdaddy1234]

I love that Richard can’t use Slaughter Pact on the Abyssal Persecutor. 😂

[@mashedmentality]

The way he played around it was great to see though.

[@TheCodingle]

It's target non black creature I believe

[@darushkii]

This is such a ludicrous concept. Just another reason why this is the best EDH gameplay series on KZbin!

[@goldbergbrain]

@@darushkii agreed. I'm an old player and regular EDH gets a little stale to me sometimes. This is the most fun I've had watching EDH in a long time. It'd be great for playgroups to build a deck like that just to pull out once a game night or something, mix it up

[@chips8623]

that was actually way funnier than i expected. Do it again sometime but ban the pacts, to make it a *touch* harder.

[@JDCSEagles]

Ban the Pacts and any card that can pay life for free. You would have to remove the poltergeist, necro, etc. as well... even stuff like Lim Dul's Vault too. It would make it way more interesting...

[@andrewsparkes6275]

​​@@JDCSEaglesThen it just becomes Leveler combo without the Thoracle.

[@everett6072]

Richard: "What do you mean you have a counterspell? You only has 2 cards in hand" Also Richard: "My last card in hand is a flusterstorm"

[@MrMartinSchou]

A fun take on EDH. Another one is to have each player write down four alternate win conditions, shuffle all of them together, and then draw one each, keeping them secret until it's been met.

[@andrewspears8891]

That sounds fun. Have you done it yourself? (And how did it go if so?)

[@MrMartinSchou]

@@andrewspears8891 I am not fortunate enough to have a play group, so I haven't tried it. I am 99% certain I saw a video where a group was trying it out. Either that or a fever dream. I think one guy won by having a secret win condition of being the second player to die? Might have been a CardMarket video.

[@BoltTheEmolga]

@@MrMartinSchouIt was a Cardmarket video, the person won by completing the Kaldra equipment set and killing someone with it via combat damage. Think it was Jamin?

[@Gretchaninov]

I really like this idea.

[@FrackenKraken]

Crim with the most incredible opening move. Truly the best Show and Tell ever

[@VRanger100]

Abyssal Persecutor (2BB Flying, trample 6/6 You can’t win the game and your opponents can’t lose the game.": This is my time.

[@kaemonbonet4931]

It paradoxes is all to death!

[@mikov6486]

@@kaemonbonet4931It will send them into the Escher painting.

[@kobisjeruk]

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

[@starmanda88]

This card was the card that made me fall in love with magic.

[@thomgizziz]

Isnt there a black creature card that exiles almost your whole library?

[@tmain1320]

Crazy how this format is just basically cedh. Genuinely love it.

[@mrbelbobaggins8959]

9:18 That floating mana card is sick!

[@-homerow-]

That is awesome! I will make a template

[@Kristjan0209]

Yeah should make one as well

[@jaysonking4055]

This is such a fun idea in love when you have a twist on how the game plays

[@L2Barbian]

Incredibly interesting premise! I am sure this commander clash will be a banger again.

[@CenJohan]

“Ya’ll made me shuffle up and I didn’t even get to take my turn” I imagine that has been said multiple times across most Cedh tables.

[@patarfuifui]

CEDH is often much slower as there's not a lot of 0 mana "win the game" cards like here.

[@TheUrDragon25]

More than 50% of cedh tournament games go to time (80 minutes)

[@CenJohan]

@@TheUrDragon25 that’s just a skill issue

[@TheUrDragon25]

@@CenJohan brian koval, sam black, and Brian cook among othets are all famous professional magic players who migrated to cedh. They do not have "skill issues"

[@CenJohan]

@@TheUrDragon25 that’s just like your opinion man

[@discoviolenza1984]

Should've banned the pacts for this week

[@MentalCrusader]

*Should have (the above comment was "Should of" at first, they corrected it, now mine doesn't make sense lol)

[@corruptcobalt6492]

​@@MentalCrusader should've is a real word and is correct in this context

[@UncertainPrinciple]

I think they are in the spirit of competitive self-destruction

[@liamfoote7164]

I dunno this format is insanely broken, the pacts are just a part of it.

[@PalPlays]

Why ban the theme of this format...from this format?

[@anaphysik]

This was very fun! I don't normally watch Commander Clash, but HAD to tune in for this silliness. You should consider iterating it some time in the future with a banlist -- e.g. 'anything that has already lost a game is banned for future games' would be an interesting baseline ban rule.

[@robertbryce3225]

This episode is an instant classic! Easily one of my favourites, and i have watched them all. Well done guys

[@TheMarioPlayers]

I love this! Next time, everyone should start with an Abyssal Persecutor and a Platinum Angel on the battlefield. That could lengthen the games and give everyone a challenging hurdle to jump over. 😆

[@ChuggaChoo]

Phil knows how to use Scryfall's regex and it shows. His decks are optimal and obscure!

[@ricepresidents]

And yet he loses the most

[@SpiralPlaysGames]

@ricepresidents On this season, sure. He has gained a reputation on clash for being a strong player in the pod, and the amount of caution everybody has when playing around him proves that.

[@ashsattva]

You've always had such cool ideas for commander clash and great personalities. Switching from MTGO to a camera setup made your show watchable, so glad y'all did it :)

[@Teurger]

Glorious. As potential wacky theme, I want to suggest "true pauper" - all cards are commons, including your non-legendary commander.

[@CPForte]

Going from the last time they tried something similar that sounds like a horrible idea.

[@babatazyah]

They did Peasant commander once upon a time. Without rares, it's really hard to close out games. I don't think they had a good time with it.

[@CPForte]

@@babatazyah They did pauper once with uncommon commanders. The game went for over 3 hours and was probably one of the most boring epsiodes of theirs ever. Games take forever if the best creature is a Gurmag angler.

[@CPForte]

For the next season or two they occasionally brought that one up and sounded pretty traumatized whenever they did.

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

13:28 seth really is a transformed man - he played his commander!

[@zeroisnine]

This was so much more fun than the typical 2 hour marathon

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Honestly I think a version of this format where pacts and Hex Parasite were banned would actually be pretty interesting.

[@ankhi3585]

I don't know if it would have that much of an impact. You still have plenty of 1 and 2 mana ways to lose the game.

[@EmbeJuicemazzopazzo]

@@ankhi3585 yeah probably thousands of cards saying "pay x life"

[@TalonKarrde03]

You would also need to ban phage the untouchable but just as a commander

[@danl9030]

@@TalonKarrde03 I don't think she'd be anywhere near that good. Getting to 7 mana isn't trivial, and being monocolor prevents access to a lot of alternative win (loss?) conditions.

[@TalonKarrde03]

@@danl9030 artifact ramp and rituals could get you there if you build right. Or discard her and reanimate. In the 99 it’s deadly entomb then any reanimate spell would get you a quick lose/win

[@MentalCrusader]

Custom rules are a very interesting idea

[@blueblue485]

This was one of the most fun episodes I've watched, gotta do another one! Need to see a turn 0 "win" 😂

[@randomaether]

I love how happy Crim is all throughout the video, this is amazing

[@Trav2900]

More of this kind of thing please! I don't think I've ever legitimately laughed out loud at a magic video as much as this one 😂

[@Larkinzzz]

Here's another fun house rules episode idea: custom partner decks - have to pick 2 mono colored commanders of a different color - they can't have the partner ability already

[@t.kenneth5697]

Love the new restrictions and rules as this show goes on, while some good vanilla commander is great I adore seeing this kind of creativity. Probably won’t be seen but I hope this boosts this video

[@benjaminstonehocker5382]

I’m not normally one for watching non Cedh matches but this was highly entertaining, deeply hilarious and extremely interactive. It almost makes me want to ask my pod if we can each build a deck that’s trying to do the same.

[@Yauchy]

I don't usually watch clash but this was a must watch. Keep up the goofy win conditions and the like, it is very entertaining.

[@nickleeeeJ]

I could watch this format for hours.

[@thunderwolf188]

this was a blast!!! Loved the creative take on commander to spice things up

[@paulszki]

I was already in tears laughing watching the preview cards and then the Abyssal Persecutor completely killed me.

[@keithbrick]

Delightful, creative, great interactions, and fun tech. Well done!

[@007Bondo]

19:40 Yes, Crim! You can respond to that! Revealing Chancellor creates a triggered ability that goes onto the stack prior to the first player's untap step.

[@koolaiddude7685894]

Crim's turn one was truly a masterclass in gaming 😂😂

[@pedrolopesdeaquino]

Loved the concept, hope y'all do some more of this type of clashes in the future

[@Laevus2321]

Definitely enjoyed that one! It wasn't just that it was a good concept, but that you all had a great laugh while doing it. Made for a good change, so I'm all for random ideas like this now and again in future.

[@time.5942]

This was awesome! Definitely looking forward to more of these "special houserules" episodes!

[@chronosorion6911]

This was fun, I’d enjoy it as an evolving reoccurring thing where you work it into a more stable format, like maybe next time ban the Pacts and the “Pay 1 life for X” cards that aren’t lands to make turn one wins harder?

[@JordanGrayson00]

Really enjoyed this concept! Thanks for the video.

[@coreysierchio4650]

This episode tickled me so good. *Thanks for the Content!*

[@mikem574]

I loved this. These were so fun to watch. Custom win cons are fun.

[@scrappygandalf6024]

Ironically probably one of the best commander clash episodes!

[@B3H1nd4ll]

That was great theme for a video! Was super enjoyable to watch.

[@RosebudAscendant]

Seth makes me so happy :o) He's such a warm presence :o)

[@3kojimbles895]

Homestuck

[@lvfd6117]

Finally a format that appeals to my play style!

[@DedicatedCaffeineUser]

If you ever revisit this concept, I think it would be interesting to include an additional rule where all creatures attack and block each combat if able

[@SterileSauce]

Table top gameplays are so much more enjoyable that mtgo. Loved this format, it feels like super cedh

[@STS-qi1qy]

Love this! We need more interesting twist games like this.

[@DiamondzFinder_]

Loving the creativity on this channel! Keep it up guys!

[@DiamondzFinder_]

Also, I'd love to see how you might deckbuild so that you have to either be 2nd or 3rd place, like you don't want to lose first but you want to lose to first place.

[@IVIaskerade]

That was an absolutely baller play from Richard to deal with the next player having 2 pact triggers on turn 2.

[@mikesutter3852]

Hilarious concept and really fun games to watch. I would definitely watch other ideas like this one!

[@javids.9537]

Great work, Goldfish Crew! It was such a fun video!

[@futurewerewolf2198]

This was hilarious, I'm definitely interested in more content like this

[@Simplycoburn]

I think we need to do this again but no pacts this time. Great episode

[@mononuk]

This was really fun, would love more weird games like these!

[@thetyburger]

Crim rolling 2 sixes in a row right at the beginning is so funny to me

[@billyhardin7401]

This episode was so much fun 🎉 I love the concept. Would be awesome to see more whacky commander games. Gonna suggest this theme for a game night for sure 👏👏

[@papamaples617]

This really was awesome. Great video guys!

[@moralessanchezoscarelias6412]

This was actually a lot more fun than I thought!

[@kimberly81612]

What a fun week. It looked like you 4 genuinely enjoyed this.

[@21skulls]

42:59 Seth squeezes his last 3 cards like a poker player, "I don't got it, I don't got it..."

[@djsona5428]

Woah game one had some WILD interaction and plays, I wish I could see more games like that.

[@Silvermankitty]

would love to see this again without the pacts. Just racing to cast those made this kinda bland after the first two games.

[@mistriousfrog]

I think the best solution might be every player starts with an abyssal persecutor so that everyone needs to out the other players' persecutors before your lose conditions work.

[@darkwhiz223]

This is interesting, but maybe restrictions is need like you can pay only certain amount of life for activated abilities and no Pact

[@lazarus845]

Phil could have won that game 2, if he'd realized that he could have played his Disrupting Shoal discarding the Force of Will, rather than the other way around. He can target any spell he wants, even if it has the wrong mana value. It just won't be countered. Assuming he already had the Hex Parasite in hand.

[@yojimbo301]

Great idea for an episode. I would to see another version in a couple seasons. There might be some fun new jank by then.

[@harvest4396]

I loved this episode so much! Please, please, please do more like this

[@suddenlyboop1815]

This probably breaks the record for the most games played in one video. Lol good one!

[@Cube-i9k]

Ah yes, my favorite magic format. 5c Pact Simulator.

[@davidmoreira2334]

This reminded me of a deck my friend has, he calls it "You Lose tribal" He basically piled a every card he saw that said "you lose the game" or something similar but uses them trying to win

[@alexduea]

I really liked this! What a fun idea

[@zacw8869]

19:40 there is a stack for pregame actions. I think he was thinking about caverns or the leylines, which do not cause a trigger because they "start in play" instead of being put in play, so you cant respond to them. You absolutely can respond to chancelors or providence.

[@thespanishinquisiton8306]

This was really fun. More similar stuff please

[@BlackDragonStudios1]

you guys are actual comedians i swear 😂

[@jkdeadite]

This was a lot of fun. It reminded me of Dandan, in that you see a lot of really different lines than most other formats.

[@Eclipse8502]

This was so fun and hilarious to watch !

[@RCrowlzor]

Poor phil, the one time his knack for getting killed first might benefit him, suddenly he can't die no matter how hard he tries!finally got there game 3 at least!

[@Varler_]

This was actually really fun! And yeah, it felt a lot like cEDH.

[@nooneimportanttoyou]

That was awesome. I love alternate win conditions. A bit sad I didn't get to see Phage.

[@Princeofseance]

Seth putting a land in to play off of show and tell is peak content

[@ElDocBruh]

That was a blast to watch. Really cool idea!

[@jonathanblouin-lecours7944]

thanks you CRIM YOU did the clash on ! :)

[@lukusridley]

oh my god crim just dropping the turn 1 abyssal persecutor is actually the most incredible way he could play his role in this game. cool from a theme pov, cool from a "who he is as a player" pov and actually interesting from a "throw a wrench in fixed gameplans" pov. hell yeah blue hair guy

[@esrohm6460]

i do respect phills kept 2 free counterspells 1 land to not not lose

[@WolfonMars1]

I'd love to see this again but with the pacts all banned.

[@oakapigang2944]

finally someone else has built this format! I want to ramp tutors into Wall of Blood t0, but frequently don't have the things for it.

[@SiliconSicilian]

Love this format. Going to see if my local will give it a go.

[@bradstanky]

bro im impressed every week you guys are some nasty deck builders

[@Icarus_inc]

This was really cool would love to see more like it

[@LeapingRat]

crazy to see that many counters in everyones hand at the end of game 1 lol

[@techheadnick]

This was more fun that I expected. I think you should run this back but everyone begins the game with an abyssal persecutor in play.

[@jasonhiebert4997]

This just got better and better!

[@burningpapersun1]

This was highly entertaining!

[@Hidan22]

What an innovative idea