diff failure 2017 xmr rengade outlander 1000

hey guys i recently discovered an issue with rear prop shafts from late modle 2017 xmr 1000 renegades and outlanders. this issue is can cause rear diffs to fail.
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[@bward27]

I put in a case to BRP with the video attached asking them to pass it along to their tech dep and parts quality control, thanks for the info Jarrett....we will chat this week 👍

[@537331208]

I have a 2016 XTP 1k and my rear diff went prematurely. 🤔 My local dealer gave me a hard time about it but eventually BRP warrantied it. I ended up upgrading to an XMR diff. It’s definitely going to be coming out now and checked. This all was done in mid 2017. Thanks for all of your research!

[@mudNwheels]

thank you sir

[@michaelward4116]

Now this is a video that needs to be on KZbin, thanks.... Very Educational

[@mudNwheels]

thank you for your feed back and thanks for watching

[@renegade9758]

@@mudNwheels what application for cellphone?

[@uio890138]

Lots of good info. I decided to spend money once and bought the XMR Torque Series diff conversion kit shaft from Mud-n-Wheels. Just about screwed up and bought a new diff from Can Am and would have have issues again almost immediately.

[@NavigateOffroad]

Great video, just have a question for you. You said anything under 2 degrees is acceptable (therefore not out of phase,) correct? That's what you said towards the end, but you also mentioned you sent them in to the shop if they were over 1 degree. Was that to "be safe" or do you actually recommend anything over 1 degree is corrected? Thanks for the informative video.

[@TheBibliofilus]

Well my low mileage, long frame 2016 XMR 1000R is fine so far but now I'll definitely examine it in the spring at the post winter checkout!

[@TheBibliofilus]

@mudNwheels Time to tear the bike apart, now sadly the pinon bearing is totally shot with a lot of play so it'll be interesting to see the wear in the diff. If it's just the bearing and the seal I'll manage to fix that locally since the bike hasn't been in water, but that long propshaft probably needs to be replaced...

[@alberthachfeld6514]

Very educational video, great job!

[@CanAmXTP]

Burley...you should work in the BRP Quality Control Department!!!

[@patrickryskey6816]

Great videos, i have a question, 2016 can am xmr 1000r pulled rear driveshaft out there was no bolt on the engine side, is there supposed to be ? second the bolt to the gear case had 2 washers small and big, which one goes toward gear case ?

[@MuddinForParts]

this might be the same problem we are having with the 2016 xmrs. 3 x 2016 xmr 1000r and 1 x 2016 850 xmr. all 4 machines have started to show signs of water leakage around 1000 kms. they never show signs of seals weeping etc. but when you pull the fill plug out the oil/water would come pouring out. one was so bad you could see it in the vent line lol. all 4 machines have been switched to baffles and the water is no longer "filling them". we are on rebuild 1 and soon to be 2.

[@iare19]

650xmr has same issue. It's every XMR model not just 1000/850

[@bpmtbrider]

Great video thanks for sharing, you probably are going to save guys with these bikes lots of money.

[@davisadams7942]

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[@Lauriaul]

I have a question can you put heat to the bolt on the output shaft for the U-joint mine won't come loose I have a 4 foot pry bar on it with 170 lb at the end of it won't budge any trick or solution?

[@adamparks255]

Is there any issue with a 2013 xmr I have low miles and no problem yet but is it something i should be looking for

[@hectorcosme2624]

would that part make clunk noise while riding especially on high gear? I got an 2015 Maverick 1000r xmr sxs

[@pellerselsjd]

Thank you for this info! I just bought a machine with a bad seal on the rear diff.. thinking that it was a faulty seal.. negotiated the price of the diff into the sale, but now that I am looking into this we might be looking into a bit more parts then I was thinking... I don't have the XMR so this might be an advantage? I will definitely be checking this! And sending you some good ol' american greenbacks...THANKS A TON!!!

[@bobbiebigg3]

Now it's nice to listen to a guy that actually knows what the Fn he's talking about.

[@mudNwheels]

thank you sir and thanks for watching

[@adamparks255]

How many years back dose this issue go any ideas I have a 2013 xmr

[@ExtremeAtvOffroad]

Awesome work bud

[@mudNwheels]

wondering when you would see this lol

[@LT1Davo]

I’m gonna Buy the torque series diff for my 2015 outlander 650 XMR do you think it’s worth getting the shaft too or just the diff thanks

[@mist4926]

Is this why the can am maverick doesn't come with a driver side rear wheel well so you can get to this

[@1978coop]

Have You seen this common on 2016 renegade xmr 1000,I just looked at mine and it looks like 40 degrees out ?

[@yvonnadeau2331]

Almost regret buying the 2019 850 xmr last month, i don't have it yet but most likely they did not address these problems, since they've been there for a few yrs now. I'm hoping they did, otherwise it's a few $'s right off the bat. I know the warranty is there but who wants a new bike in the shop for who knows how long. Thanx you for catching this, i'll know what to look for if these symptoms shows up.

[@mudNwheels]

hey yvon i dont publish this type of info to make people feel regret. these are awesome machines and i am sure you will love it. now having said that they do have a few issues but maintenance is key. if you keep up on the maintenance and take care of a few known issues you will have many good years with it. congrats on the new toy

[@yvonnadeau2331]

Dear mudNwheels, what you publish makes people feel a lot of things and regret can be one of them. That being said i do understand that Quality has for most case "gone out the door" and money is priority, for companies such as these. It's VERY good that we have people like you looking out for others. I'm sure i'll be pleased we it once the issues will be addressed and yes "maintenance" is most important as i'm a HEO and truck driver. On that note keep up the good work as everybody needs to know of these issues before hand to make good decisions and know what there getting into. Thanx mudNwheels

[@mudNwheels]

@@yvonnadeau2331 thanks for watching. i hope you enjoy your machine. if you have any questions please shoot us an email. we will do our best to help

[@Fx4Blizzard]

Has this issue been resolved on the 2019’s to your knowledge?

[@ehTV1000]

Hell of a job catching this issue Jarret, Put me down for one , eh.

[@537331208]

eh TV ; Good chance that’s what was wrong with yours?

[@barharborbasher249]

👌🏽🍺

[@boatherton3018]

My 2016 xmr 570 has the rear u joint that went out about to pull the drive shaft to see whats going on. i think the seal is leaking on my diff too.

[@mattc7060]

Most of the polaris front prop shafts are about 45 degrees out. Haven't had diff issues out of it but the u-joints wear out way too fast

[@napieraustin]

Got a 2009 renegade. had to subscribe

[@amelsahman2414]

What are the driving symptoms if the axle is not in phase

[@quaddingsous]

Excellent video! This is super interesting. Have you checked this issue on other brands? Just curious if all brands have this issue or if it's a CanAm thing. ????

[@mudNwheels]

hey bud glad you like the vid. this is a problem that has plagued can am for 7 years now. the problem did get better for a few years but in 2017 it ramped back up again. i only wish i would have cought it sooner

[@pilotlangdon]

Have there been any damage to transmissions?

[@JamiecoreyL]

I have a 2016 renegade xmr , has been in the garage more than in the dirt , I went through three differential then I bought a mudnwheels diff it lasted twice as long as all three factory ones but ended up failing but not cause of diff it ended up being the drive shaft all along like mudnwheels informed me threw email . This guy really knows his stuff about these bikes , when I find a good shaft I am definitely buying another mudnwheels diff they are the strongest out there by for , oh an can am will not stand by there bike they will make every excuse to blame you

[@mudNwheels]

hey jamie first off i want to say thanks for your word and watching the vids. second i have been where you are and it sucks. so i do know how you feel. and last we do sell shafts that have been repaired when you are ready give us a call we will get you going again. can am makes an awesome machine once you take care of a few issues they will put a smile on your face like no other wheeler on the market today cheers

[@JamiecoreyL]

Well that makes it much easier, I will definitely order one from you , no other issues with the bike starts up run perfect strong motors it’s good there is some one out there that works the bugs out an shares there experience, we are way down south in Louisiana on the coast every body rides here I will pass the word 👍👍

[@markminyard4874]

Great information. Thanks

[@lucpilon1]

Nice brp -.- good quality control

[@mudNwheels]

yes sir quallity control needs to be better

[@MrRbt61]

just did a kawasaki teryex course spline on slip joint fine on other end tried a dozen different positions and would not phaze 100 % looked at a polaris and it looked to be 22.5 degrees i dont get it seems like they all just weld them together rather than pitting in a jig

[@CHARGERFORCE]

thats crazy im glad a i have a 2016 xmr but if i ever have it apart i will be checking it

[@mudNwheels]

please check it anyways this problem may be more wide spread than i thought. thanks for watching

[@MrBerett315]

Bro.... This has been since the beginning of the gen 2 bs

[@mudNwheels]

The Dubya yes sir it is much worse now

[@dirtysouthoffroad6402]

I shared this on a number of pages on fb. I've seen way too many issues on machines with under 50 hrs.

[@mudNwheels]

thank you sir

[@huntermelton7872]

I have play in in rear differential and it only has 46 hours on it. 2018 renegade 1000

[@dirtysouthoffroad6402]

Hunter Melton might want to send it in to mudnwheels

[@kevinmarincic4155]

dang seems like can am has had nothing but issues lately. I have a regular 2017 renegade 850. i hope mines ok! lolol is it a pain in the ass to take that prop shaft out? lol I wanna check mine

[@orlandosalinas1884]

I have a can am 1000 xmr how do you check the prop phase without taking it out because what I’m experiencing is a clanking noice when slowing down

[@orlandosalinas1884]

What kind of problems does it make the differential have does it damage it

[@mikegarrett3815]

What about the earlier models? I have a 2013 Outlander Max XT 1000 and i haven't pulled it apart but there is alot of play in the axles and rear diff ...

[@mudNwheels]

i have seen a few of the earlier machines have bad shafts how ever if you made it this long with no real damage then your shaft is probably okay unless it is worn out u joints slip joint splines

[@mikegarrett3815]

@@mudNwheels Thanks alot! I just bought the bike used and i'm finding a ton of problems with it 😞

[@flumps9069]

Just bought a can am. Haven’t even taken possession yet but getting worried

[@lukesorensen8457]

good evening Jarret i have a 2014 outlander 1000 max Ltd. my bike doneits first diff at 802km and i had the shop put a new diff in it. .......Only done 25km on the new diff and its whining and the diff got very warm in that short time. i will take my tailshaft out and let you know.

[@mikegarrett3815]

and....?

[@freddyw4555]

How do they get out of spec. Does the shaft get twisted. I probably grease my unjoints too often

[@mudNwheels]

they are manufatcured wrong

[@mahihkan198wolfe7]

I have a 2017 can am 850 XMR outlander. In your experience do you think it’s only 1000’s that have this problem?

[@mudNwheels]

we are seeing this in the 850's as well. to be on the safe side it would be a good idea to check yours out . thanks for watching

[@georgesmiley5136]

How do i l know that my diff is not gone

[@NiteHawk861]

Will an improperly phased drive shaft ruin a diff seal?

[@bryanford1139]

100%

[@kevinrichter4384]

Great eye, u da man. Put me down for one

[@jaredthisdelle5617]

Snds like its alot of atv prop shaft and diff bearings going

[@matthewbabish6542]

Dose the 2021 or the 2022 have this problem i am geting ready to buy a 2022 1000 xmr outlander. Just would like to know

[@mudNwheels]

okay so true story. we just put one of our diffs and drive shafts in ostacruisser's 21 renegade . the shaft in that bike was almost 2 degrees out of phase. i can say this the issue has gotten better over the years but it is still not perfect. so when you buy your new machine it is worth having a look at it

[@matthewbabish6542]

@@mudNwheels thank you so much I didn't wont to spend that kind of money an this is still going on I really injoy your video's. I wish I could ride up there with yall it would be awesome but I am in 🇺🇸 amherts va.

[@OUTLANDEER]

quality control at BRP seams to be an issue ..

[@ashtone1659]

Do 2015 Outlander Xmr’s have this problem? Ive seen many 2016-2018’s with this problem.

[@mudNwheels]

to my knowledge the majority of this issue started in 2017. most props shafts before this were ok

[@ashtone1659]

mudNwheels Ok, thanks!

[@njm1251]

Did u say your shafts will be guaranteed within .5 degrees..great video and great R&D man

[@mudNwheels]

yes i did i correctrd my self later in the vid 1/2 *

[@njm1251]

mudNwheels awsome man..again great work and hopefully brp will catch wind of this

[@robthompson8428]

Is this confirmed on the 850 xmr as well?

[@iare19]

Rob Thompson all XMR

[@prestonclark1910]

Hey man is this relevant to my 2020 canam outlander do i need to check this

[@mudNwheels]

i can tell you the prop shafts are better now then they were. we still see a few cases where the drive shafts are out of phase. i would check yours better to be safe than sorry

[@renegade9758]

@@mudNwheels what percentage please the angle not Renegade has noise precisely because of the angle I am on

[@nathanjosey17]

I got a 2018 outlander xmr 570 and my diff just went out cruising down a trail

[@ChevroletTough]

BRP going to fix this?! MY LAWD!

[@575conbon]

@13:15..."within 5 degrees of phase"...that doesn't sound right

[@michaelward4116]

wouldn't this be considered a recall or am I being silly, LOL.... Can am should get on this considering the price of the quads.

[@rickypaintball]

2016 850 outlander xtp, 4 rear diffs in under 2000km

[@carlosvalencia3388]

Why won't can am admit to them fucking up and warranty the issue a buddy has a brand new 18 xmr 1000 and his diff is trashed..dealer gave him back his atv and said brp declined the repair under warranty because the atv had been abused.. can am needs to man up and take care of the consumer (us) without us theyre nothing lets see what happens when they start loosing sales.

[@mudNwheels]

saddly i hear this same story every single day. that is how i discovered the issue. take this to your dealer and see what they have to say

[@davidspowersport1867]

WOW

[@ethanjones4979]

why should we as a consumer buy a product that is faulty right from day 1?...........and is can am the only atv brand that you are finding these type of problems with?

[@mudNwheels]

you raise a good point but until the problem is corrected.... i have a solution

[@drewatsouthjerseymudrunner6559]

Jarrett 2017 Can Am 570 XMR just went to change the oil in my diff found out the front pinion seal was leaking differential full of water and pinion bearing wasted. Just pulled the diff out this evening on the 4th of June and will be pulling the shaft out tomorrow to check the phase can't imagine this thing is in that bad of shape with 200 miles on it.

[@mudNwheels]

it is a crying shame. i will be very curious if the prop shat is the culprit so please keep me informed

[@drewatsouthjerseymudrunner6559]

mudNwheels I can't believe it myself. I watch eh TV, altimate outdoors ,nos, elemental, Rob Farrow they all are having problems with the diff. If I find out it's the phase of the shaft, I will flip out.this is bullshit !!! I will keep you posted for sure. thank you for your videos.

[@boatherton3018]

was i out of phase think my 2016 570 xmr is having the same issue U-joint is shot

[@jasonroche8182]

My 17' 650 XMR rear diff went after 1200kms, and now after about 500 more....its toast again (I don't abuse the machine at all), such garbage.......It has to be this.....

[@mudNwheels]

hi Jason sorry about your luck. if you check out your shaft and it is out of phase we can get you a good shaft perfectly phased and balanced

[@THOMAS01ify]

So the only way to fix can am shotty build spec is to take it to my machinist and have him cut mill and reweld and balance no problem I'll send can am the bill.

[@firstbase4947]

got enough locktite

[@mudNwheels]

you can never have enough locktite lol

[@jaredthisdelle5617]

Brp needs to check its self cuase its wrecking its self with thesez sh.t driveline parts .... I Love can am ..sea doo cant kill it ... atv diifs and bearings and shafts well they r junk .. i love xmrs there beaztz .but holly come on can am 2018and 19 better not have the same issue ...hire better people ....2017s same sh.t as the rest

[@mudNwheels]

better quality control for sure. thanks for watching

[@mudNwheels]

@@jaredthisdelle5617 just sent an email back

[@thefall3551]

Can am garbage, when will people learn.