Murphy Bed Challenges in Step Van Camper P2 E438

[@BlueVanDan]

2 - 1+1/2" diameter pieces of wooden doweling, and to grooves at each Pivot Point that make the bed slide forward when you close it up and you can slide it back when you set it down. I drew a quick sketch and posted it to my Instagram the only place I could think of to post it so you could get a kind of an idea of what I mean.

[@BubbaWarbucks]

One advantage of this is there's no gap between the mattress and the wall, you can slide it right up to the wall.

[@BlueVanDan]

Bubba Warbucks I tend to think out of the box and cheap and as easy as possible LOL course that could just be because I'm lazy?!

[@BubbaWarbucks]

Another way of doing it might be a long piano hinge between the back of the frame and the wall, but that might present issues with the bed up depending on how much room there is.

[@BubbaWarbucks]

Nothing lazy about being creative.

[@BlueVanDan]

I was thinking that you can pull it lift it up a little bit pull it forward to the outer edge and then pivot it up and it would fit flat against the wall then when you tip it down and slide it back it slides all the way back against the wall so it would miss the counter.

[@mechanicsteve2320]

I don't know if you know it but Amazon sells the plans on how to build various Murphy beds. Might want to check them out as a last resort to help with the construction of your bed.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

good tip. will look into that

[@ww321]

I've been making and repairing stuff for over 40 years. Some days are like that mistakes seem too be never ending. Just learn to laugh it off. You've been making really good progress with increasing your skills. Keep up a positive attitude.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

my skills are improving every few weeks!

[@andrewwilson8317]

Citronella candles scare the mosquitos away. Little buggers. Got two camper conversions staying on the farm next to my workshop now. They making use of a beautiful location and having access to full workshop facilities to work on their vans. As well as all shore hook ups they got access to toilets and showers,washing facilities etc. I am assisting them with electrical,mechanical and woodworking facilities and skills. Great to chat around the fire pit at night with nice food and drinks. Really think having places that offer this sort of facility would be a good thing?think of it as stay and play!

[@GTLees]

Andrew Wilson, I think that is a really cool set up for everybody. Everybody gets a bit of what they need, seems kinda communal I guess. Why not though? I think it's far-out! ...............................PEACE!!

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I'd love to find a place to build like that (my sisters drive was the best I could do during the month of May). I'll check out the candles you mention

[@andrewwilson8317]

Seven Wanders the World there must be similar near you somewhere? Basically I am, for a very very reasonable cost, making my facilities,tools,machines and skills available to interesting people. Seems silly to have the stuff there and not being fully used when it can pay its way? As a bonus I get great suppers , often full payment!, and interesting company to chat to around the fire pit. I am putting a new clutch in a vehicle for a lovely couple from Italy as well as some electrical upgrades. Thy are amazing cooks and musicians . Best fire pit nights ever. I like o hint I make travellers lives just that little bit more pleasant and take away the stress of worrying about maintenance of home?. Even simple things like having a little cheap car to run around in whilst work being done on motorhome helps out.

[@Jason-cm6uh]

Very cool of you to offer your facilities! If I were out there I would love to visit such a place

[@larryguffey42]

why not make the counter top hinge down like a drop leaf table?

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

appreciate the thought and idea, but there are cabinets under the counter which won't allow for that

[@mikephillips8406]

I had to get some pest strips at the bait shop last year for that same reason!

[@Anthrit]

Time for some kind of screen material for the doors. They make the magnetic kind that I have seen in other videos.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I have the magnetic mosquito screen, but just no good way to attach it (my van is aluminum). need to put in steel bars or glue on some magnets

[@joanmilano5302]

Can you make the mattress higher so it goes over the counter?

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I could, but then it would not be able to rotate up against the wall

[@marxnutz]

Piano hinge? That's what I'm using. I think I missed seeing how the counter is arranged across from the bed.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

the type of hinge really isn't the issue. it is how the bed rotates. it hits the counter, or drops so low it hits the sofa below it, or hits the ceiling. I can't get it to fit

[@atvr100]

How about recession your hinges on both sides ie wall and bed

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

interesting idea. I'll have to do some sketches of that

[@bigshowradio_550]

Maybe hinge the counter top to flip up at night?

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I wish I could but there is a set up cabinets under the countertop that would still be in the way

[@mauriciolizarraga9715]

Could have it sit on top of counter top and use counter top as support?

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

yes and no. the problem, I think, at countertop height is the hinge on the wall would only give 40 inches above it for a 55 inch mattress... so the hinge point needs to be around 55 inches down the wall so the mattress can rest against it

[@mdwilliams2934]

I agree. That many mosquitos would completely freak me out.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I couldn't believe how many were in my step van. took me a day to get them all out

[@wanderingwade8877]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see the video link of Gabriel's Murphy Bed solution.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ol7Qq2qhjsdnbJI

[@wanderingwade8877]

Thanks!@@SevenWanderstheWorld

[@taz1357]

Can you either angle cut the edge of the mattress that is nearest the wall (I'm not sure what your mattress is made of) and/or shorten the counters to 22" or 20" instead of going to 18"? Just wondering...

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

it's an inner spring mattress; I suspect they don't respond well to cutting :(

[@taz1357]

AW, dang it! I was afraid of that.

[@mikedavenport007]

watch for the lightning strike at 8.38

[@fmpApps]

Why not make the bed higher than the counter top? Or use a narrower mattress? I have a mattress inside a black plastic cover that is 36” wide.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

great ideas. I'm still researching and pondering which bed design to go with

[@maxiedoodle]

Ikea... I agree with that idea. I have an L shaped sofa. Longer part has the other half of a full sized bed tucked undeneath. Pull it out, pull up that half. If and when I get some kind of "escape Florida when a storm is coming" vehicle, I am putting this piece of furniture in the van.

[@GTLees]

maxiedoodle, I have seen those sofas and they are way cool.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

yes, going to have to think a bit differently on how to do this

[@monnaprovost7294]

maxiedoodle, Ikea has names for things they sell. Do you know its name so I can look for it in their online catalog? Thanks for the info.

[@williamkeserich4363]

Thanks for sharing mosquitoes are the worst safe travels till the next one

[@mikeg3757]

why not use a double hinge or draw it in sketchup so you can totate the parts ?

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

that might work. unfortunately I've never been able to master sketchup

[@FallingWaterAdventures]

Use your fans. Take the screen off the exhaust fan. Turn them both on. One in, one out. The mosquitos will get sucked out.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I had both fans on at the time

[@dontes9588]

Your making a mountain out of a molehill. ( KISS ) Make a box for the mattress, 2-Sides, and Bottom and (optional) Top. The front door will be the mattress bottom and make it so the door is flush with the sides when upright. Add a heavy duty piano hinge to the bottom part of the door. Gate Lock to the top to lock it upright. In the cabinets add 2 or 3 2x4 that pull out as legs when you use the bed and hide away when not in use. When upright its the bed + bottom 3/4(55" ? +3/4" ceiling down and 8"+3/4" From wall), when down its the bed with.. The door made to clear the cabinets. And if the door is smaller end the top part of the bed shows, install a 2" or 3" cloth or Curtain to hide it. Hope that help.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

your "construction" outline is exactly what I have planned. that is the easy part. the hard part is that in the scenario you describe the mattress can't go all the way down because it binds on the sofa under it. I can only get it to fit on 2 of 3 edges (it hits the ceiling, hits the counter or hits the sofa below it) I can't get it to fit all 3 (I used scrap wood for mockups)

[@zerskier]

I use a thermacell backpacker to keep bugs at bay..

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I'll look into that!

[@johanvangelderen6715]

You will be able to use this. Picture how things might look if you cut away one corner of the hinge and the bed frame. I mean so that it will have one rounded corner. The location would be the one corner which is causing problems right now. You could cut the metal away with a grinder, or any sheet metal shop or machine shop or mechanic some where could do that for you. You could round off one corner of the bed frame to match. Next you will need to attach the wood to the hinge with nuts and bolts and a lock washer. The nut woukd fit between the hinge part.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

rounding the corners would help a lot!

[@mynameisnotbubby]

Hi Seven here are my two cents. I think if you use a double hinge on each side it will work. So you would have a pivot at the wall and one on the side of the mattress. It would be a piece of wood, maybe 1" by 2" by the length you need to give you room for you mattress to clear and clear the counter. Pivot points are at the ends of the 1 by 2. Kind of like a lever. Good luck!!!! Love you vids.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

thanks for the suggestion of double hinge

[@mikebtrfld1705]

Seagulls are native to the Great Basin, pelicans too, even in Nevada.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

didn't know that. thx for sharing!

[@Yorky222]

Why ot get a narrower mattress, 55 inches sounds a lot.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

the 55 inches is a normal "full mattress"; I wanted it so that if I were ever to meet someone I wanted to travel with I'd have a bed for 2 people

[@freebird8011]

Maybe you've already thought of this, but how about rebuilding the sofa bed frame so that the mattress slides out, then have an identical mattress on a frame that hinges down from the wall to fill the gap left by sliding the sofa bed mattress out?

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

a couple of others have suggested this. after sleeping on it and thinking about it for 2 days, I've decided this is exactly what I should do. I'm planning to bail on the murphy and go with a slat bed or day bed solution like you describe. will have a video soon about that

[@annah8380]

First time I was in Wyoming I was surprised by the pelicans too.

[@joebobhenrybob2000]

I often wonder why no one uses an aerobed with a 1-2 in topper for van murphy beds. Then the bedframe doesn't require any complex overbuilt mechanisms and when upright could have a 1-2in depth, assuming the plan is to deflate when stored..

[@weetreebonsai]

Maybe using a piano hinge or just do a floating bed from the ceiling.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

thanks for the ideas, but I really don't want to loose 8 inches of ceiling space (want to be able to stand up straight in my rig)

[@sromo522]

Rechargeable hand vac makes short work of bugs

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

never thought of that. great idea!

[@UncleMo2]

Repel mosquito punks work great for outside. They sell them st walmart in the camping department :) If you need to put one out in water, it will relight the next day. So that I dont waste alot of lighter fluid lighting one, I hold the punk over a candle flame to get it goin :)

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I've never used the punks before; maybe time to try them out!

[@nonahammon1098]

Try turning on all your fans to blow outwards, 7. Maybe they will take the mosquitoes out, too. Hey, most people have a day like that now and then. Good for you for recognizing it and deciding to try again another day. Could you build a small model to the correct proportions and experiment in miniature till you get it right? Saves a lot of materials and might be less frustrating. Carry on, buddy, you'll get it.

[@dprider02]

This was going to be my suggestion. A couple of scrap pieces of lumber to mock up the end dimensions of the bed and he'll get it worked out in no time.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

over the period of 3 weeks or so I've taken scrap wood to similar the mattress size and attached hinges to it. that is where I where I found most of the problems and got stuck :(

[@Scorpiomary]

I agree when I start messing up time to quit.... love the lake birds make us wonder what's up with climate change....do they know something we don't...mmm. enjoyed your vlog and you reasoning process. Enjoy your day.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I couldn't believe there were pelicans and sea gulls in wyoming. just strange to me

[@JoeZyzyx]

@@SevenWanderstheWorld Remember story of Mormons and the locusts?

[@kmflynn329]

Tough day. But you'll figure it out. I would try a hinge on the wall. A hinge at the mattress thickness. And line up the bed platform with the counter top. The bed would share a bit of the countertop when lowered. Could act as a bedside table, maybe. Personally I would use a simple pullley and rope to raise the bed. Tie it off with a cleat. Thats what I would try. But youll get it to work. Thanks for the video.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

appreciate the suggestion, but if the bed were at 36 inches inch height of the counter, then when rotating up to the wall it could only be 32 inches wide due to the wall height at the hinge point. not sure that would really work

[@calvertchilton5040]

Just a Follow up. Type this into KZbin: Who has a custom mattress in their motorhome? I think you will find it most informative. -Cal

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I'll check it out

[@aprilhoy7583]

I use a dustbuster to suck the mosquitos out of my space when that happens. Mine pops into a push vac unit for sweeping floors with also & runs on a rechargeable battery that lasts quite a long time. Great, low profile multi-use item.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

brillant solution. I still need to get a hand vacuum and will keep this in mind as I choose one

[@aprilhoy7583]

Seven Wanders the World this is the one I have & I really love it. Bissell Lift-Off Floors & More Pet - Cordless www.amazon.com/dp/B006BDOSK8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_B8tqBbR1HE8EA

[@277kne]

Check out a California Closet showroom. The have a murphy bed there.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

will do!

[@TheUserid82]

Add a second rotation point mid way on the bed box so as the bed comes down you can lower the counter side first to bypass the counter top then once down drops the wall side. You would end up with all the weight on the 2 arms but you can prototype out of wood then when you run into a viewer with a welding setup switch over to metal for a more compact setup on them.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I think something like what you describe is what would be necessary to make it work

[@1Chuck4U2C]

Cut the corners of the hinge off, so that it will rotate.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

good tip

[@kenk2345]

For me with a few pillows, an inexpensive zero gravity chair is comfortable for sleeping

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

never tried a zero gravity chair; will have to check that out!

[@TheMikestcops]

Anytime you are parked next to water this time of year you're going to have mosquitoes lots of them. Don't park or camp next to bodies of water.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

solid advice!

[@tastas02]

It seems to me like you are over thinking the construction of your bed. Just mount the hinge two inches out from your sofa construction and make the folding board two inches shorter than the width of your mattress. Fold down the bed and push the mattress in against the sofa.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

ha! you make it sound simple! I did some mockups with scrap wood and could never get it to fit

[@nomorebsforme]

20" countertops are generous if thats the easiest solution....i think it would make it simpler..tis bug season alright ...get some citronella candles and maybe some of those coils you burn to smoke em out!

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I had not heard of those candles until the comments here. I'm going to try them out!

[@vidguy007]

Maybe your mattress is too big for what you are attempting. A few inches of the edge may be necessary.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

yes, I think it is just a couple inches too large. problem is I want an inner spring mattress and it is difficult to trim those down

[@vidguy007]

You might consider manufacturers that build custom mattresses for boats. Ever consider an air bed, like the Select Comfort? There are multiple manufacturers that will make custom sizes. I have had one for years, custom made for the space. It may be a bit too thick for your needs, but it's worth a look.

[@karenkeller5866]

Citronella candles repel mosquitos.

[@GTLees]

Mr. Seven "Shades Of" Grey how the heck are ya?! Well sir, you're into the heavy duty cipherin' that would even boggle the great mind of Jethro Bodine. It's frustrating when theory and practical use differ isn't it? I know that you've probably already gotten past this point so I hate to bring it up, but if it could help somebody it's worth mentioning. So I haven't done this, it's only a theory, but would a pipe and sleeve set up work in that situation? I was also thinkin' about guide lines on the two corners furthest from the wall. Nothing heavy duty, just some light aircraft cable and it would, of course be outta the way when the bed was up. Maybe they're dud ideas, maybe they're not needed, or wouldn't work, or there wouldn't be support for the cables...I don't know...I'm just spitballin' here. Heh, heh. Dammit buddy, I think you found where the mosquito hatchery is! That would drive me to distraction, I hate 'em! Ya do have some weather rollin' in there, I saw a cool zap over your shoulder heh, heh. Readin' weather. Would actual bed frame work to give your bed rigidity or help to keep things where ya want 'em? The best part is, again, you're already home and you've got food and a place to lay your head at night and the details will work out. That must be such a freeing and empowering and relaxing feeling. Honestly, if my two granddaughters did not need me here I'd be out there somewhere livin' the dream. Thanks for lettin' me have a peek at it man. Heh, heh. Oh, don't misunderstand, I dearly love my little princesses and wouldn't trade for anything. It's just life. ....................................PEACE!!

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I've looked at several suspended beds and decided against them because I want to be able to walk without ducking my head. but appreciate the outside the box thinking!

[@damagedgoods6805]

You need that guy again with the Sketchup computer program lol

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

Reece with sketchup started doing some mockups and calculations with his software. but half way thru his computer died and he had to return it for warranty work :(

[@mischef18]

To save all the hassles just put a couple of hooks in and sleep in a hammock. Just a thought. All the best anyway with what ever you come up with.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I've never been able to sleep in a hammock on my side (seems to work well for those that sleep on their backs)

[@13Sala13]

Houses typically have 24" counters which encourages people to use them as storage space for junk. 18" counters in a minimalist step van is plenty.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I have 24 inch counters and all the cabinets under are also 24 (including my dometic fridge which is under the counter). I don't think I could reduce it to 18 inches without major major changes

[@michaelcolley1498]

Murphy Bed Problem: Think how garage doors are stored. For example, for a non-flexible stiff garage door, it swings and is stored in the overhead, rotate that solution 90 degrees and use it in your van, this solution would use NO hinge. Put a couple pulleys attached to the ceiling (or close) above where you were going to put the hinges (now no hinges) and attach the two ropes at the location where the hinges were originally going to attach. Pull the ropes and the bed side near where the hinges used to attach swings up and fits against the wall. Weight is important here, use an air mattress. Misquitos Problem: Screens, Deet, desert, high mountains, not sure, I'm interested in your solution.

[@GTLees]

I know that an air mattress will not work for him because of a hip problem. I kinda like the garage door theory though. There's a few really good ones (ideas) floatin' around this time. Cool! ............................PEACE!!

[@michaelcolley1498]

Welcome

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

well, that is a truly original idea! (I'll keep this in mind but I'm currently pursuing a couple of other options which may work better for me)

[@michaelcolley1498]

I didn't think of this until now, but if you got truly inventive, you could modify this idea, where instead of making the entire bed be stiff and pull up vertically in one piece, you could split the bed down the middle, ...no... not exactly the middle, maybe a little off center of the middle. Attach the ropes to pull the half of the bed up vertically which could fit against the wall, and half of the bed would be hinged in the middle and pulled up vertically. Half of the bed would remain horizontal when the vertical part is pulled up and half of the bed would be vertical when the vertical part is pulled up, now you would have a place where three more people could sit when your bed was folded up. I like that idea, I might try it myself. The split doesn't have to be exactly at the 50% mark of the middle and the folded up part doesn't have to be exactly 90 degrees. That would make for a more comfortable place to sit. Also, that would lessen the weight of what is being pulled up. This is like the idea similar to a day bed where when the back is folded up, it is a place for people to sit and when the back is folded down, it is a bed. In this case, the horizontal part would stay horizontal and slide back and forth depending on whether the back is horizontal or vertical. That would add three more sitting places for your Tea Wagon. A similar idea would be like the picture in web page www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/living_room/10663/

[@danielsweeney6742]

Seven I'm just going throw this out. I do not if they sell it but what about a sofa bed. If they sell one that why you could kill two birds with one stone. Seating and a bed. Check IKEA!

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

someone just sent me a private email with the same idea... ikea "day beds" and they are brilliant.. actually very close to what I need

[@danielsweeney6742]

Seven Wanders the World -Awesome I'm glad that you could use it!

[@JoeZyzyx]

Test it first. I've been guest a few times on sofa beds and they all seem to have a metal bar midways that is quite uncomfortable and also requires foam mattress material in them.

[@FixthisCD]

since you have so many little mosquitoes, I would bet they were hatched inside. check for moisture issues

[@calvertchilton5040]

Here is a perfect solution, buy a custom made mattress made to your dimensions, thickness, and level of support.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I love this solution... just have no idea where to find a custom mattress company willing to make a inner-spring mattress to my specs

[@calvertchilton5040]

Hi! Here are a couple company sites: www.us-mattress.com, www.mattressinsider.com. I don't recall which online RV'r I saw that did this. I THINK it was "Less Junk, More Journey", but I'm not sure. All the Best - Cal

[@karenkeller5866]

Get a mosquito repellent candle

[@martyrecords2829]

Forget the hinge just lower the bed down and anchor it in a wooden slot

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I wish, but lower down it runs into the daybed-sofa

[@botcat]

Use a vacuum with a wand attachment to get all of the mosquitoes next time.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

great idea. currently I don't have a vacuum and it is on my list of things to buy in the near future

[@melissahankoff4034]

Mosquitoes: Get some Tea-tree Oil or AVON'S Skin-so-Soft: U can Use like a cotton bed sheet and hang it from the door. Spritz the sheet with Tea-tree oil and poof No more Mosquitos. Skin-so-Soft I've heard works as well! Also, put some on open skin and U WON'T get bit😍

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

wow. never heard of that one. will have to look into it!

[@mdwilliams2934]

Spray with deet.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

I could spray with deet. still would find it disturbing to have hundreds of mosquitos buzzing around me while eating or sleeping

[@bsb0011]

Seven, you gave some dimensions in your video, but not enough for me to work the math on a folding solution to meet your needs. If you could provide a few measurements, I think I can help work out a solution for you. Here are the basic dimensions I think I'll need: width of van (use finished wall to finished wall), width of counter, height of counter, width of bench, height of bench, desired height of top of bed (I would assume this would be the height of the bench + thickness of the wood used for the bed box + mattress spring box (if used) + mattress thickness + bed sheets -- however if you wanted it higher, that would need to be mentioned), thickness of material you plan to use for the box for your bed frame, height of mattress, width of mattress, height of mattress box spring (if you are using one), thickness of sheets (and any winter blankets - want to make sure the bed closes even when made up for winter temps), and height of van from top of bench to finished ceiling height (please note any lights, fans or other obstructions that could be in the way when the bed is brought down).

[@GTLees]

bsb0011, that's cool that you can maybe sketch something up for him. I noticed that you included the bedclothes in your dimensions and I completely understand why, but I just wanna mention something on that topic. When I was a trucker and used a bed that needed to be folded up when not in use the sheets etcetera would get very damp if left on in cooler weather. So, for me, a sleeping bag did the trick and I just rolled it up. I don't know about how this works in step vans or for other people in other trucks, I just wanted to mention my experience and maybe somebody can add to it. .........................PEACE!!

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

here are some numbers for you: ceiling height is 81 inches, the day bed is 18 inches (plus some covers). the full size mattress frame for the murphy is 55.75 inches and 8.75 inches thick. by my calculations that means if hinged at an edge it would take 55.75 + 8.75 = 64.5 inches of wall space. available wall space is 81 - 18 = 63 so I have about 2 inches that I'm not able to fit (plus covers). the space from the wall to kitchen counter is 57 inches. to fit a box of 55.75 (1.25 inches clearance). anyway it is a problem

[@bongspit]

Murphy's law.

[@kenk2345]

lol, Murphy's law...and Murphy bed.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

great word play!

[@1detroitryder]

alcohol in a spray bottle will get rid of the mosquitos

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

never heard of that. does it kill them or just discourage them from entering an area?

[@1detroitryder]

Seven Wanders the World yes and it kills them on contact I use it on my boat

[@SylvanSecrets]

Mosquitos? The van is theirs now man. Move on!

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

it took over a day to get them all out!

[@GTLees]

I just remembered...pelicans in Wyoming? Really? Well today isn't a waste, I learned something heh, heh. A while ago I saw a video that absolutely shocked me and it was pelicans again. I could not believe my eyes when I saw what they would eat. Let's say that they're not on a fish only diet......uh-huh......feathers, fur...oh yeah. I won't go any further with it, but I was thoroughly surprised. .......................PEACE!!

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

for me, it was really strange to see those birds there

[@johnhunt2390]

Seven, I can help you. I have a solution. Contact me.

[@garystone2863]

You need a can of flying insect killer on hand, for just such an occasion.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

absolutely need something along those lines (killer or just strong deterrent)

[@jamescarroll0615]

Argh, I hate mosquitoes.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

ditto

[@johneaston4963]

Fly spray

[@scottmorigeau4969]

Two words. Leaf blower. Problem solved.

[@SevenWanderstheWorld]

haha I love it