My favorite car (sucks) - Lucid Air GT

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Alex might have found his new dream car! The Lucid Air GT has HUGE range, a futuristic look, amazing handling and speed, but it also has a TON of tech issues. Can the car overcome lacklustre software, or should you leave this $200,000 car in the lot?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 The best electric car(?)
0:34 Testing the power inside the Lucid Air
4:07 Sponsor - Seasonic
4:40 Exterior and charging impressions
6:41 Interior impressions
7:58 Driving impressions
9:13 This car goes FAST!
11:13 The software has some issues...
14:20 Everything is BROKEN.
16:16 Sound system impressions
18:05 Pricing and overall thoughts
19:06 Outro

[@navnav5338]

my favourite part about this is knowing that you guys will always call out poor manufacturing whether its hardware or software. thanks guys

[@TheAceTroubleshooter]

Whether* ;P

[@navnav5338]

@@TheAceTroubleshooter yes yes it's been changed

[@Karma-lo3dn]

did you even saw the video? A Prius is more reliable

[@navnav5338]

@@Karma-lo3dn did you read my comment?

[@leonc4653]

@@Karma-lo3dn please it makes the ID3 looks good here.

[@purpleguy3000]

Considering the car can turn itself off for 15 minutes, have to admire Jake for getting in that boot and letting them close it on him.

[@johnh8268]

Hopefully the emergency release is always hot.

[@D3Vlicious]

Cars sold in the US have a mandatory emergency release for any trunk/storage area big enough to fit a child.

[@sonnyrodriguez9850]

@@D3Vlicious Yeah but aren't they in Canadia? I think in Canada you have to ask the car politely to let you out.

[@TheTemplarnight]

@@sonnyrodriguez9850 oh my god ur so funny and original.

[@kaldo_kaldo]

@@TheTemplarnight At least it was contributing unlike yours

[@icey5474]

Sooner or later these e-car companies have to realize that they’re just going to have to stick to what they know with making cars. And let android auto or apple handle the UI.

[@letsgoiowa]

The boomer execs are too arrogant to let that happen.

[@cossieboy]

No tesla did a great job with the ui they should just hire better people

[@ryanb7476]

@@cossieboy facts bro, my model 3 has not had any issues since the begining. i was an early adopter and within the first 2 updates any glitches were fixed, everyone who comes in my car is impressed with the UI, no other manufacturer comes close. the audi/bmw system is very complicated for older people, but i know people 70+ yrs old with teslas that can operate it just fine, who say their last C/E class was so confusing etc

[@JesseArt]

Honestly, I don't even want a head unit. Just provide a docking station hooked up to an amp and speakers that I can plug my phone into via USB, 3.5mm jack, Bluetooth, etc., and I'm good. Adding unnecessary complexity just increases the probability that something will break. It's like these companies refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of their customers already have user friendly interfaces with which they're VERY familiar that could easily save them millions (billions?) in manufacturing costs.

[@evolicious]

What are you smoking???? Google, Microsoft and Apple already have major divisions in the auto industry and dominate as preferred UI. They have been making software for cars for over a decade now.

[@MobiusGT]

@17:05 highly recommend when you ever try to show us how long something takes and you speed it up 5x you also add a stopwatch

[@alexhulinsky7954]

Yeah I thought he was going to say how long it took, in seconds, but they just keep going onto the next topic.

[@joedinsmoor2127]

Damn a 16,000 watt power supply! Wow! Seasonic defies all logic

[@tiago98bastos]

Just what it takes to hold a next-generation PC

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

Minimum power requirement for the 4090.

[@Jel0XD]

@@enjoshi-godrez8775 HAHA I died.

[@HolyHatred87]

Haha I didn't even catch that he said 16 000 W

[@MrHaggibear]

Should be good for at least the 40 and 50 series from Nvidia!

[@bahadirm]

It's insane that a lot of companies are shipping products that are not finished yet and keep promising to bring more features, not doing their work after 2 years. (See Polestar 2)

[@pitecusH]

or roughly 80% of AAA games from the last 5 years

[@Romashkoooo]

@@pitecusH compare 70 dollar game and 240k car.

[@flottenheimer]

@BahadirM Just curious - what promised features are missing from the Polestar 2?

[@KriLL325783]

I think the reason is that making an actual car is a ton of work, requires a lot of logistics/supply chain, materials and machine and man-hours, and once you start rolling out actual cars sitting on them would bankrupt most companies in short order, they have to push them out to finance making more, thus not really viable to delay the car if the software isn't ready.

[@NiklasOjas]

Still waiting for the lawsuit of the Tesla owners that want their cars to be a taxi and make them 30k a year. I think it was promised idk 5 years ago and will never happen😂. Well, at least Tesla is banned from calling their autopilot autopilot in Germany because it’s not even close to being a autopilot.🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Sam-sl5zv]

Automotive engineer here. That front suspension is actually double ball joint not double wishbone, which is actually a really good thing because double ball joint is great for handling and some other stuff. Pretty much the two lower ball joints creates a virtual kingpin axis for the front wheels. This translates to a better scrub radius, better steering feel, and more traction at high steering angles than you would get from normal double wishbone. Also those rear toe arms you pointed out look like they are already serving as part of a passive rear wheel steering setup that changes the rear geometry based on the suspension travel. Very cool stuff and should make for a car with good handling and a good feel.

[@joshualuna-li931]

Very informative, thank you!

[@gospelofrye6881]

I used to be a virtual kingpin but then my GTA V savegame got deleted...

[@jcassidy13]

I love Car KZbin but it has sorely missed these kinds of extensive technical breakdowns, especially from a quality and usability perspective for the driving experience. You guys are the best.

[@chookwooma]

Check out SavageGeese if you want deep dives

[@davidzeager262]

Can we get an LTT review of the tech in cars. Not just the camera count and everything, but the silicon (and how old it is) in cars? What is actually powering all of the pretty screens in today's cars?

[@fVNzO]

It's usually FPGA's and custom stuff, tesla use AMD these days iirc.

[@GURken]

proprietary SoC in every board

[@username65585]

Something I want to see (which no one does) is how much power each of the USB ports provide. Can any of them provide fast charging? USB-PD? Power a laptop?

[@lionskull1]

what everybody else said but also, you really don't need anything powerful to run a car. Maybe things are getting more complicated with electric cars but you're not gonna use anything serious.

[@fVNzO]

@@username65585 Bro most new cars today have outlets so you can basically charge up whatever you want.

[@jensalan]

12:42 Not gunna lie, the names Google came up for Android Auto and Android Automotive are very confusing. They're completely different, yet sound like they would be exactly the same thing. Android Auto is more or less a way to cast your phone to your car in a driver friendly interface. Android Automotive is a full stand alone operating system.

[@MarcRitzMD]

They could have followed the naming scheme of "Chromecast with Google TV" and called it "Android Auto with Android Automotive"

[@jensalan]

@@MarcRitzMD But you can still have Android Auto without needing Android Automotive. Most (all?) aftermarket head units have their own home grown OS and not Android Automotive. Os it goes without saying, you can have one without the other. Same goes for Chromeasts. You can have a Chromecast without having Google TV. At least that's how it was years ago with the original Chromecast and Chromecast4k. I haven't bothered to look because I have a shield, but maybe they changed it in recent years? Either way, we're still back to square one of them being very confusing names.

[@MarcRitzMD]

@@jensalan yah, you got it right. I am just pointing out how Google put out a name that is very clunky with "Chromecast with Google TV", yet at least its clear to everyone. When Alex mentioned Android Automotive, I didn't even realize that it isn't just Android Auto. I thought he was just using a regional or possibly more official name for Android Auto. Google could have probably gone with something more distinctive like "Android Autobot"

[@alphastratus6623]

Most bs thing: android automotive doesn't include android auto. So if your app works with android auto you cannot be shure it works with android automotive as well.

[@HengTengYiakaRandumbPerson2003]

Clearer names would be...hmm Android AutoCast and Android for Automotives

[@mariaeov280900]

alex is usually such a chill guy so i had a blast watching him rant about the stupid stuff

[@Stang70Fastback]

In fairness to the car, I didn't see a single external shot where you weren't halfway outside your lane in every curve, lol.

[@Avboden]

I'm sure all 400 owners getting them per quarter are just thrilled.

[@ToreOnYouTube]

This. It's nice that they're even producing them at all though! But right now, all we see are press cars.

[@niradgupta4075]

Apparently they have dramatically ramped up production in the last week to 50 cars a day. We'll see.

[@MiguelRPD]

There at 600+ now

[@YouTubeAIbot]

@@niradgupta4075 “we’re ramping up production” is the official slogan of these startups lmao

[@evolicious]

@@ToreOnKZbin the car in the video is literally an owned car and not a press car, lol

[@TechEtrix]

Great work Alex! What I appreciate the most about your review: the honesty in admitting that it is not possible for you to put a quantitative rating on it. Instead, you objectively pointed out the pros and cons of the Lucid so that everyone can make up their own mind. I feel like reviewers nowadays often feel forced to stick to their regular, quantitative rating-scheme, so they often put a number out there, that doesn't quite do the product justice - no matter in which direction.

[@StefanBacon]

Regen is great...if it's optional, and it needs to be adjustable without taking eyes off the road, like on a stalk, pedal or dash switches. As a professional driver, I can say confidently that coasting and driveline braking are both crucial, and being able to control them intuitively is more important for safety and driver fatigue than almost any other feature in a vehicle.

[@Rikorage]

I like the setup that Hyundai and I think Kia has where they have the paddle shifters to control the level of breaking from the regenerative braking. They sold it as a "gear shifter" when I got my car, which it can feel like at times. The car starts as a level 1 regardless of where you had it before you started the car, and it feels mostly like regular transmission breaking. Level two and three add about twice and almost three times the amount, but level 3 is a little bit less than that I think. It also gives you the option to go to level zero, which feels like you're just rolling in neutral. One issue I have with it though, is that you cannot control the paddles when you're actually breaking, you have to lay off the brake or start accelerating in order for you to control the levels. Also have a 2022 bolt EUV, and that thing has no real in between, just one paddle on the left to enact the full force of the regenerative braking, or putting it into "one-foot driving," were you only actually the accelerator to keep the car at a steady speed, lay up and it starts doing the regenerative braking. It doesn't have enough stopping power to fully stop the car in any reasonable amount of time if you need to come to a complete stop at speed. I haven't tested the sport mode setting for the car enough to really gauge if that makes a difference or not in terms of breaking, but it does make a difference in acceleration.

[@Rikorage]

Actuate, not actually. I'm too lazy to open the app to edit this.

[@DC13333]

Knowing one of the first owners who tried doing a Costco food run. They went to return the shopping cart the car some how went into full lock out mode, the tech on the phone tried for hours but days later they sent a big rig and box trailer. Mind you the driver thought you could drive it in the trailer LOL. Week later a flat bed was sent out the CEO is super cool and cares about customers. Was fun for a few hours and not the only user to have that issue. Glad yours lasted longer and only had a 15min lock out when the tech did a remote reboot and it didnt come back alive him saying ohh shit was so funny.

[@samthemultimediaman]

the wheels add ratio to the final drive, so that's probable the correct HP.

[@kaldo_kaldo]

They should have done it with 19s

[@lfox02]

@@kaldo_kaldo What's that matter? The tire diameter is the gear ratio. Unless you get smaller and bigger tires with the different wheel sizes, which doesn't make much sense.

[@untitled795]

Drivetrain loss maybe?

[@ggamer7578]

Happy to see you guys reviewing more cars!

[@lazycubes7370]

Damn for $185k I would expect everything to work perfectly

[@gospelofrye6881]

It's an American car, it's a new American car company's first car, the company and the car both exist as a fuck you to Elon Musk... I'm impressed the thing goes along the road at all.

[@johndawson6057]

@@gospelofrye6881 not a good reason to buy it.

[@spycozelot]

I like the honesty in all the videos thanks. the main reason why you guys are my go to when checking out something new.

[@miker7032]

I love these car reviews with Alex. Keep em coming!

[@1024BenZ]

I think this is just the expectation we have to have for car companies out of California. High tech, lots of "promised features", poor QA.

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

I'd settle for a stupidly low-tech version of this car. No touchscreens, no cameras, oldschool clock/radio with buttons, physical knobs for vents and volume, audio input jack, that's it. And in return just give me the superior handling, range, and charge time.

[@wizzblue]

That's kind of an odd comment, since if there's one thing Tesla got right, it's the software. Sure, full autonomous driving isn't here yet, but it's a ridiculously hard problem to solve. Aside from that that, the software in Teslas is stellar. Everything works perfectly, the driver assist is insanely good and will only beep in actually dangerous situations, etc. The GPS is competent (though I strongly suspect it's just using Google Maps with a new GUI) and it's been extremely reliable for me.

[@griffin8062]

@@wizzblue Tesla's problem is hardware QA. Faulty door handles, bad paint jobs, panel gaps and the like.

[@catnumber1538]

@@pirojfmifhghek566 EXACTLY! This shit is the future of the automotive industry being held back by dumbass unnecessary tech. Just gimme something cheap and simple.

[@nothingtoseehere96]

@@griffin8062 To be fair, those issues are basically all resolved now. It was mostly an issue when it was just one factory since it was responsible for all revenue and any reduction in production could destroy the company. Now the company has iterated and perfected much of the production process, so most issues in build are largely fixed.

[@ernieoporto1111]

I LOVE that you guys are starting to touch base on cars that are heavy on new tech. I think you're pretty well suited for this and I can't wait to see what comes!

[@lolilolplix]

Weirdly (?) Alex is the best car reviewer of them all. The "real" automotive journalists I follow all missed the crappy aspects of the BMW iX, this Lucid, the Ioniq, etc. Thanks a bunch for this quality stuff!

[@AOTanoos22]

Bruh, don’t know what car reviewers you follow, if its MKBHD or other tech channels then yea Alex is the best reviewer in that area. His review lacked some automotive knowledge and was decent compared to real automotive car channels. 1. The Lucid being as quiet as the EQS is a joke if you watched any other reviews and the Lucid has a way too firm/hard suspension as it has no air suspension and the EQS is levels above it in that regard. Yet Alex goes on about how good the suspension is for driving when its literally not a sports car but a luxury EV for 200k that should prioritise comfort. That the Lucid is better handling than the Taycan they had, takes away credibility. 2. Don’t make me go on about the dyno test and why it didn’t achieve the advertised specs. 3. Saying Tesla is the only other manufacturer that has birds eye view and shows the distance to other cars is false, Tesla is one of the view who doesn’t have it while many other cars like the EQS and Taycan have it. Also the BMW iX is by far the best EV SUV you can buy today in its class.

[@ThomasEgerton]

@@AOTanoos22 maybe the best in its class, but the IX looks like absolute shit...

[@AOTanoos22]

@@ThomasEgerton Except for the kidney grills it looks very good, especially the rear and the interior is a peace of art. The BMW iX starts at $85k US while the Tesla Model X starts at $126k US...do people even realize what BMW is offering here? A very well equipped iX with lots of extras is still cheaper than a base Model X. The BMW is sold out for the next 2 years in the US and absolutely dominates Model X sales in Europe for a reason! Then Alex comes and says the BMW iX is so freaking expensive because their test car was over 100k lmao, but an, in every aspect, overpriced Lucid for over 180k is somehow okay, this dude is anything but objective.

[@edwardhoffenheim3249]

I was watching the entire video under the impression it was a $70k car it when he said the actual price I was floored 😂

[@romannasuti25]

This thing is supposed to compete with cars like the S63 AMG: most of the performance of a Model S Plaid with more range and an actual luxury interior. Still not quite as nice as a Mercedes-Maybach or Lexus Bespoke, but still opulently beautiful and comfortable. Absolute damn shame about the software issues, especially since the hardware is so amazing.

[@Datoda]

@@romannasuti25 There isn't a current S63 to compete with, the EQS580 is the direct Mercedes opponent. Audi E-Tron, Porsche Taycan and BMW i7 all come to mind aswell as competition.

[@roulettezoku]

@@romannasuti25 even a decked out Lexus LS500 is about 70k cheaper than one of these.

[@Agent_Crimson]

This car is basically the best in hardware worst in software. I have actually used this car in Vancouver and I haven't experienced everything Alex experienced but I can relate to a lot of the things Alex mentions

[@SpineShank7]

Jason Cammisa's review of this car on Hagerty was INCREDIBLE.

[@GrumpyMan]

First honest review that I have seen, and its not even a car channel!! Great work!

[@SkyKiller63]

Love that the entire last part of this video was just complaining about the software. Which FUCKING THANK YOU. Car software should NOT be as shit as it is right now. Phones have better car software than cars do right now and I’m so tired of seeing shitty car software experienced.

[@ProXcaliber]

I wish car manufacturers would honestly just give up on the software side of vehicles and let the big companies that have been doing it for decades handle it. Let Google or Apple put android automotive or Apple carplay in literally every car and you get to choose which one you prefer upon purchase of the car.

[@PumaAlfred]

It’s incredible how software can break an entire car. This is truly dystopian.

[@MiguelRPD]

Well to be fair. Considering how expensive vehicles are. It doesn't surprise people are demanding more out of them

[@jay-uo2bi]

It's quite unseen how fucked the software on this is. Tesla and Lucid Air seem not to have the QC control measures that traditional automakers have so strictly in place. Sad to buggy software let done a masterpiece of a car. No doubt the issues will be fixed but they shouldn't have ever shipped the car like this in the first place.

[@evolicious]

Software can break any car within in the past 30 years. WTF are you talking about?

[@evolicious]

@@jay-uo2bi That's because they are separate divisions and somewhat act as a completely different company. It's a micro-management and support problem that almost every company on earth deals with. Same can be said for literally any product.

[@Glade4]

@@jay-uo2bi that doesnt really apply, the usual car companies like mercedes have the most horrific UI and software, wheres the QC?

[@vladmorosanu]

Just also came to say I like the car reviews and you guys should keep it up. I think they're great and really a smart move from who the other channel's target audience is. I like tech, I like cars, these are tech cars explained by reasonably skilled tech guys. A big thank you.

[@tonygylfie]

Genuinely an amazing car review Alex. Always love watching you do these

[@andreewert6576]

The best part is that in many electric car discussions, the lucid air has been cited as the car to end all the discussions. The one with all the range and fast enough charging to rival gas. And, well, it does do that. But for the price of a house and look what state they ship in.

[@kontanaizumi]

This car would be my dream electric if they removed all the bells and whistles and just shipped this range and charging capacity. most consumers just want range and reliability, something most electrics have problems with. with this car i could make my 400 mile trip in the middle of winter without worrying about adding an extra 2 hours of charging to it halfway through.

[@quazy1328]

I can fuel up in under 5 minutes and go another 500 miles while you take and hour or longer. So how does this rival my gas vehicle?

[@kontanaizumi]

@@quazy1328 because in a realistic sense unless you're going 80+ that capacity is enough for 6 hours of nonstop driving more than long enough that people want a break, or to go eat some food, which in that time could be enough to get another 500 miles. so it is functionally similar

[@quazy1328]

@@kontanaizumi And that takes about 15 minutes, and with a family of 6 it takes about 20-25 then you are back on the road for another 500 miles. Almost like I grew up taking road trips.

[@kontanaizumi]

@@quazy1328 I did too and if you're actually a family going to a sitdown place and eating that takes a good while. and even if you only take 30, it will have over 400 miles on it ready because it's stated time to charge to 300 is 22minutes. so yeah close

[@SoNoFTheMoSt]

I cant believe you guys got the first test drive on this car, thats a really huge get, well done dudes :)

[@sebastianmoradi4311]

Had it on reserve. Being delivered in Feb, bought a S580 instead and I absolutely love it.

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

Really enjoying these car reviews and Alex is a great host. Thanks!

[@leonc4653]

and here I thought ID3 was the buggy mess in recent history. seems like a premium brand startup can just top that these days with less than beta ready software.

[@MarcRitzMD]

That is exactly what you'd expect. An established car maker should have a more polished experience because they can build on top of their existing stuff

[@SyntheticSpy]

@@MarcRitzMD but since none of the older manufacturers actually program their own software, they aren’t able to implement new improvements as easily. I would have expected more from a startup like this

[@MarcRitzMD]

@@SyntheticSpy I don't know how that would matter. Take the VW ID. They can keep everything in it the same and just switch out the motor, tank and powertrain.

[@One_Guy]

really like the design and look of this car. it gives me hope for these to be a viable option for driving enthusiasts of the future.

[@farfromhomeandlost]

Wow! I can't believe all the things that would drive me crazy with this car that no other review I've seen has mentioned. Then again were any of those actual reviews? I guess I watch lots of really long commercials without realizing it.

[@QualityDoggo]

If I had to guess the part you mentioned very briefly at 4:00 could also be related to why the numbers are all off by a little bit… at high speeds the readings might come back lower.

[@augustinhooo]

Looks like a Honda Accord and a Tesla S had a child. Great review!

[@jwjohnson7909]

I wonder if the HP difference is also coming from the “at the crank” vs “at the wheel” HP ratings that happens on gasoline cars. So the electric car manufacturer are using similar measurement methodology? It is possible the motors at the shaft produces close to 780 HP but at the wheel it is less? Dyno measures at the wheel number which always lower than manufacturers HP number. Plus Mustang Dynos tend to read out numbers lower than other type of dynos.

[@myownsite]

Not really, transmission and diff count for most of those losses.

[@Dereks06]

It's probably rated in electrical power. 820HP is 610KW meaning it probably can send up to 610KW (820HP) of electrical power to the motors.

[@IcalebthelionI]

Lucid Air review before R1T!? Heck if I were you I would’ve put the Air first too given that it’s had little to know coverage compared to the R1T. Seems like such a good car, shame it’s being bogged down by half baked tech. The camera and sensor setup is truly impressive and that interior is just *chefs kiss* and if it drives anywhere near as good as the Taycan than that’s really something. Anywho, loving these videos. Keep up the amazing work

[@snowballak]

wow, Great video... but I was getting motion sick when you were going around the corners... so I just listened after that.

[@spoonraker]

My favorite part was when you complained that the lane departure warnings were too aggressive while "going around a corner normally" and then switched to an external shot which showed you obviously cutting the corner so hard that half the car was fully outside the lane. I'm gonna have to side with the car on this one. Every external shot showed hilariously bad lane keeping.

[@BaxBadger]

I had to stop the video and make sure I wasn't going crazy. Either the car is straight up working against the driver, or we're looking at a DUI, or a straight up horrible driver. Not sure which is worse 😰

[@Super3xtr4]

The warning is always the same. So your point makes no sense. He just drives this way to trigger it.

[@ShortCircuit]

Probably should have made sure the B-Roll made more sense there - I don't normally drive like that but you need to for camera to see more than just the grill of the car -AC

[@leogougeon8984]

In their defence, I would imagine that for the sake of filming B-roll they would try and get more interesting, adventurous or cinematic shots. Alex seems like a competent dude, I doubt he cuts corners like that whilst driving normally.

[@BaxBadger]

@@leogougeon8984 I mean I don't see driving like that in other productions, unless we're talking movies where that's the point. But even putting the corners aside I saw at least two shots where he was unable to stay in his lane on straights lol

[@thebudgetcyclist4310]

Even though I don't like ltt some days, after watching some cycling videos by proper cycling media I realise how much more honest ltt is at delivering news. They're not shills , I'm glad Linus just has to say buy bottles 10 times instead of blatantly lying about the product. Props to Linus and his dedication to giving honest reviews on products.

[@danielfsb10]

I'm sold! Whenever I get an electric car, this is the basis for the features I would want. Physical controls, awesome range, storage, speed, surround view. Teslas don't actually call my attention. This Lucid car looks perfect. I don't care about autopilot or any extra features of that sort.

[@XboxUnitD77]

I have driven the Lucid on a dyno several times. It does have a Regen disable mode for coasting down, and a specific Dyno mode that allows it to run on a dyno, yes it still throws all the warning but it lets you drive it no problem.

[@nicholasnimey4817]

Honestly this is the best review so far! Says that this is the best car that needs software and hardware integration. This is what all of us need to hear. Lucid fixes this and I am assuming this is a 10/10. Right now it’s a 6.5/10.

[@199Bubi]

So.. since I am designing the software user experience for a major car brand that has also been covered already: Let me tell you, it isn't as simple as designing an app or a game sadly for one reason: SAFETY! A game can crash once in a while but the standards while driving are insane. Also car companies don't have huge development teams (yet) because unlike apple or google there is no money printing machine with insane margins in the background.

[@karlosmitz3027]

Best bit of car journalism around Alex! Awesome work!!🎉

[@accrevoke]

That's the first dyno running in ubuntu I have seen... Love that!

[@StiggyAzalea]

I work at a local pet store in the middle of a bad part of town and I saw one of these in our parking lot. I'd never even heard of Lucid before. My only thought was "what idiot drove that car here? It's gonna get broken into instantly"

[@michaelkelly7379]

Maybe they dropped it off there because the car froze up and they needed to get into it + an insurance payout lol.

[@fede35mm]

Mercedes is coming out with the EQXX with the record of 1202km on single charge. Would love to see Alex test drive it when it does come out 🙌

[@ruediix]

Love that suspension design. Good, solid, heavy forged aluminum. Fold down rear center console is one of those little features you really appreciate. Personally, I prefer cloth seats, but I'm sure you can get it with them. As of replacing the perfectly good Google Apps with the crappy ones from Amazon, it is the most awful thing one could do for this. I understand replacing them with open source versions or vendor created ones, but Amazon?! Give me a break! It's like saying I'm not going to water my garden with grey water, so I'll just pump the contents of the latrines.

[@pgplaysvidya]

at this rate for sure if I live long enough to need a next car, it can be electric, charge quickly, look great, and have the latest tech. I bought a car during 2020 lockdown BTW and would have gone electric but the charge infrastructure wasn't (and isn't) there, and the charge speed was abysmal. We're at the point it seems that you can drive continuously from point A to B if you had two drivers. That's amazing!

[@RD5500]

Maybe the 800hp number is what the motors are rated for, but with 90% efficiency, it would be closer to 700hp

[@BBROPHOTO]

This Lucid Air a perfect example of my view on products. I don't care if you have all the latest and greatest features - I just want things to *work* when you need it. It's not about who did it first, it's who did it well and properly. Stability > features any day. A car that locks you out due to software instabilities should have a recall or emergency software update IMHO.

[@anthonyschlessman1848]

to an extent yea, but when i went to get a new car (2018-19 ish) the ford focus base model didn't even have power windows for like 19k

[@sigma682]

I have the Air Pure (starting price: $87,400) reserved at the original $77,400 starting price, and eligible for the original U.S. $7,500 EV Tax Credit, and 3 years of free charging, which will come in handy with me traveling to from CA to NV a lot.

[@just1ofgod]

Again I love the car reviews please keep them coming!!!

[@Lueeee]

You should test the Bolt EV. It’s the most affordable car right now meaning most relevant for your audience because they might actually be able to buy it. I have one if you want to test it.

[@manex322]

I know this is a tech channel but with this type of videos i hope someday you guys do a collab with Donut Media, that would be so epic

[@ryanblock4534]

About the power numbers. You have to also factor in drive train losses. Most manufacturers numbers they report are the power coming from the motor and not from the wheels. All the weight causes power losses to actually turn the wheels.

[@flottenheimer]

Great review. Probably one of the best Lucid reviews, actually. Thanks!

[@erlandjohansen7195]

Alex and I clearly have very different ideas of what a massive trunk looks like ... Love his car reviews, but he and I care about very different things in a car

[@thecrow3461]

Still love this car, it looks amazing and the specs are insane.

[@colinm127]

I actually saw one of these in the wild the other day. Had never heard of it before. Was very cool looking in person

[@sparkplugbarrens]

Wow, learned so much new about this car in the first few minutes of this video 😍

[@Gdank72]

Still waiting for you guys to test a Polestar 2 (or any car with Android Automotive built in). It's the tech / software / music parts I'm interested in. There are many car reviewers that will tell me about the boot space, or how nice the seats are ;-)

[@ShortCircuit]

We've already looked at Android Automotive in the XC40 and S90! -AC

[@QueenSaffryn]

Just waiting for these car videos to go full on old school Top Gear :P the cars are already nearing the same level of ridiculous unaffordability as they had in that show, now we just need the goofing around and two more hosts :)

[@DavidSumner]

The honesty in this video is amazing lol. But seriously this is how all reviews should be brutally honest. Great Review!!!

[@hlsghost]

Volvo's high range cars (e.g. XC90) also does the 360 top-view camera and it is excellent! They have been doing that for years now.

[@checkitimawesome]

Saw one of these at a Lucid shop in a mall, honestly, I do not like the styling at all, however, that powertrain is insane. I'm interested in what other cars they may make

[@TheJohn8765]

Yah, I think the styling is incredibly generic (even slightly ugly). I'd hope they hire an actual design studio next time. Id expect an exciting shape for that amount of money. The Taycan is pretty slippery yet looks like a sports car. Even the Model S is handsome with classic lines.

[@checkitimawesome]

@@TheJohn8765 My main issue is honestly the rear, it has a Grand Touring car rear end but it stole the tailgate from a Lincoln MKZ basically, that roof line going down is atrocious

[@nephrium]

"I'm taking a corner normally" - Proceeds to throw a tire into the ditch like Takami in his 86.

[@thany3]

Americans are not generally very good drivers, so this is normal by their standards.

[@jcalerre]

@@thany3 Well he's Canadian...

[@thany3]

@@jcalerre Remind me which continent Canada is in?

[@jcalerre]

@@thany3 Well according to the Oxford dictionary, American means a citizen of the US

[@ProXcaliber]

@@thany3 The continent is North America but he is Canadian and not American. You could however technically say he's North American. Either way, your initial statement was incorrect.

[@ry0k904]

Just from the looks, damn that’s a beautiful car. I saw it at a convention in Munich some weeks ago.

[@Kattakam]

I believe one of your best LTT reviews this year. Great Job!

[@patjackmanesq]

That's a fact!

[@debaseesh]

We are at a very awkward stage in auto industry. The vehicles get shipped first and the features get added/fixed later through software updates, like your sub $1500 consumer electronic. Auto should have stricter regulation on what gets released. There is no software without bugs and takes multiple rounds of rigorous testing to iron out bugs. And that's fine for a handheld, but not for a 2 ton alexa on wheels. I mean, imagine if fast and furious had the situation at 14:38

[@MianCowell]

Kudos to the camera op switching head focus of inside the car.

[@jacobfavreault4067]

Amazing to see how much this car has changed and evolved! I'd love to see a review of the Sapphire... Best driving car?

[@denvera1g1]

0:18 The Aptera is supposed to get a 1600km range with just 100kwh, and up to 40 miles of range per day from solar charging alone

[@abdulhfhd]

It's not a car tho

[@denvera1g1]

@@abdulhfhd I didnt say it was tho And it depends on where you are ion the world, in most of north america, all they need to do is add one more wheel and its a 2 seat car, in some states an enclosed 3 wheeler is licenced/insured/taxed as a car.

[@sushimshah2896]

Didn't the EQXX have a 1000km range??

[@evilkillerwhale7078]

The Aptera that is again on hold? They ran out of money. Again. It's a scam, bud

[@JulianLiebl]

@@evilkillerwhale7078 source?

[@tetricz]

It seems like all their software engineers were either limited because of business deals or they were all interns.

[@moortu]

It was probably outsourced to india

[@ThirdLife86]

@@moortu Fiverr 🤣

[@TheEnthraller]

@@moortu if they had done that it would've at least started every time

[@philryan9038]

I'd suspect the difference in torque might be due to the drivetrain losses not being figured in. You're still going to have drivetrain losses between the output side of the electric motors and the surface of the tires, (because of gear meshing, heating of the gears and grease/oil due to friction, heating of the motor itself, etc.) so that might account for a bit of the loss. They don't specify wheel torque on Lucid's website, so I'd suspect that's it. The manufacturer numbers may be the equivalent of "brake" torque (and hp), as opposed to "wheel" torque (and hp). Obviously, since this has front and rear motors, there shouldn't be as much drivetrain loss as a gas all wheel drive gas-powered car with a driveshaft connecting the axles, but still. So even before the correction factors that you can't input, and the issue of not going full wide open throttle (er... full accelerator, in this case) you'll probably still have small losses. Plus, depending on whether ABS was disabled (which may not be possible, usually this is done by pulling fuses on normal cars), if any slip was detected, torque vectoring/traction control may be interfering. It may be minor, but it may account for some of the loss if there's a slight difference in speeds between the rollers during the dyno pull. Also, props to using Odesza for sound validation. :) Can't say I'd use anything different. Lol

[@WillCarterTech]

I would like to see a demo of all the places you can fit jake.

[@Buggiy]

800km range. HOLY - this could be one i want, but cant pay xD

[@FlopFan69]

Wtf is a km

[@FireMunki63]

No one needs 800km range. No one. I have driven 1000 miles in a day from Piraeus Greece to Austria, you have to stop to pee, stretch your legs, have a bite to eat, clear your head. You can be charging at these times. At the end of a 1000 miles you are completely knackered. You really need those 20 minutes breaks. Just like long distance lorry drivers need them. Range issue is such an ICE thing its crazy.

[@Buggiy]

@@FireMunki63 Last weekend we drove 800km in "one go" with one stop. I changed with my wife midway and thats it. 30min brake max. But with a longer stop this distance should not be a problem with an electric car.

[@Lizlodude]

2:00 now THAT ain't the sound you're used to hearing from a dyno pull XD What's fascinating about this car is that it seems to be an almost perfect opposite to the Tesla Model S. Amazing hardware that's basically second to none, but horrible software. Dang. That's a huge bummer.

[@Elkatook666]

trunk space is a generous 2 Jake's. probably 3 if you chop the 3rd one up ! love the measuring system isn't in litres but body capacity

[@Schnapsbrennor]

That scrim flip is the first “whoooosh” feature in years that blew my mind :D soooo cool

[@jfolz]

5:42 "You don't want to drive 800km in a day". Agreed, but if you listen to a vocal minority (?) of dinosaur juice enthusiasts they do 1000km in one leg every other day.

[@ProXcaliber]

The range anxiety is overhyped. I personally believe it's exactly those kinds of people overhyping it to try and make EVs seem like it's not worth it. The average American drives around 30 miles a day, so even an EV with 200 to 300 miles over range would be more than enough for city driving and occasional trips.

[@smallbutdeadly931]

If all the bugs get fixed, this would be one of the few electric cars I would actually consider owning if I were loaded with cash

that's a lot of ifs 😄

[@nightsgems]

I see one massive IF in there

[@VanSanProductions]

Cars with bugs, how is it even legal to ship a car in this state.

[@5893MrWilson]

Have fun paying $50-70k more for a vehicle that is basically inferior to a Tesla Model S in almost every way

[@littlejackalo5326]

@@5893MrWilson better range, better materials quality, better styling, better everything except acceleration and self driving. The latter is arguable because Tesla's self driving consistently crashes, and it glitches out quite often. We had a models X and an S for a week as loaner cars before we bought our Tesla. They needed to bring out 3 different model S cars because the computer kept crashing and FSD kept glitching. When the 3rd one kept crashing, they brought it a model x, and it had similar but different issues. The only people that think Teslas are better are kids that think people only buy cars based on 0-60 times, and people who have never owned one. The Tesla is better for 1 reason, it's about 1/3 the price.

[@ashishdutta3622]

I love how you were driving on the 56th Ave “cliche corner” and i knew it was that exact road haha

[@GudieveNing]

Didn’t Lucid just release a massive software upgrade? Maybe it fixes these issues. Either way if I could afford it I would buy a Lucid. I love the range and drive train tech and despite the bugs, the dashboard is excellent. And the car looks like a concept car.

[@CapriSjonnie]

Haha top notch rant about the software by Alex 👌🏻

[@Ven0mk1ller]

Alexa: Do you want me to increase the temperature by 5 or turn on driver seat ventilation? What do you want me to do when you say that? Alex: YES Also Alex: Alexa is totally broken!!!

[@ShortCircuit]

But after I finished being big dumb it still didn't turn on the seat vents haha -AC

[@EA_47_]

I remember seeing a lucid Air in Langley few weeks back in Langley. It must have been you guys. I was surprised to see it in that area but now it makes sense

[@soginvl]

That dyno test reminded me of the days we would have to do AirCare tests here in BC ;)

[@danielray956]

This was a very interesting video to see, especially since Lucid was supposed to be hyped up a ton. To see if fall so flat is somewhat sad, but hopefully they figure out whatever manufacturing or development woes and get them fixed ASAP. Side note, I'd still love to see a VW ID.4 2022/3 review and an ID.Buzz review when they seed them out :)

[@sjsomething4936]

To be fair, he raved about the engineering, interior, mechanical and fit and finish portions of the car but pointed out that the software blows. Which is pretty bad considering the price, but fortunately software problems are much easier to fix after the fact. I really hope that Lucid stays afloat and is able to address these issues as I’d like to see it succeed. As consumers we all win by having a diverse number of vehicle manufacturers to drive improvements and price reductions. I’d eventually like to be able to afford a Lucid but I wouldn’t buy one with the kinds of problems shown in the video, I’m not wealthy enough to have a non-functional vehicle, especially at that price! If Lucid ends up in a shaky financial situation, they will likely be bought out by another auto manufacturer, some of their tech is pretty equivalent to Tesla (not software 🤣😭) and ahead of most of the traditional automakers.

[@benwu7980]

Range, looks, charging, trunk capacity, and ,?frunk storage.. look superb. When will EV makers stop with the ridiculous 'smart' stuff that is just so idiotic though? It's from the most minor of things like that charging flap, just have a mechanical panel that opens, nobody cares about soft electronic openers.. to the major flaws in the software. Some of the proper/ physical switchgear looks okay on this car, but what is it with the alpha level of shipping software that is just a distraction from driving experience? People do not give a bleeping bleep about digging 5 deep into menus to make an adjustment that used to just be a button.

[@nilleftw]

Every time I see some fancy, slow opening panel, all I can think is "how does this do in -25c cold with ice".

[@benwu7980]

@@nilleftw Good point. They should fix that with embedded micro heaters built into those panels /s Actually not too unlikely to happen, sounds very akin to the old story about 'nasa spending ?millions on a pen for astronauts that works in space, Roscosmos gave theirs pencils'

[@SweatyHanes]

an elderly man here in my hometown has a Dream edition, he offered to let me give it a whirl, i politely declined as I was covered in paint and sweat, but mainly cause I was nervous that murphys law would decide to show face. I see the gent weekly and he always says the offer still stands. He says he just drives it around his ex spouses house to show what she bought.

[@MusicFillsTheQuiet]

This video was frickin great. Love to see it!

[@24lomar]

Damn, 16,000W power supply? Thanks for that Seasonic!