My First Advance Wars Tournament Match

[@fddcsjxk]

Hello! It's me, fddcsjxk! I'm glad you're having fun in the Mixed Base Open! I've got a lot more interesting maps than Hybrid Theory in store! You can always get the latest info on the tournament in the announcements section of the Challonge page. I'll be doing match analysis for various other tournament games on my channel. Thanks for the shoutout, and good luck!

[@komododragon7619]

yeah sorry i resigned so soon. Got paired against a monster player and dropped to the pressure

[@rhettorical]

I was not aware what "Mixed Base" meant, was his explanation accurate? Bases mixed around the map? I'm not up to speed on a lot of terminology.

[@Sweaper]

Ayy

[@SamuelSolei]

Yup that's basically it!

[@bird3713]

We demand that you explain your username!

[@AbsentIntelligence]

Finally, Adder faces off against the one CO that he respects.

[@Alliclare]

Grit?

[@darkmatterpancake]

Based.

[@francorios5134]

This comment is way funnier when you read it before even seeing the screen lol

[@twilightstruggle8390]

@@Alliclare Adder is narcissist lol

[@nameplease8811]

What about hawks and sturm (everyone else yeah hell naw no respect)

[@NCHProductions]

its very weird.... this fddcsjxk's content start popping up on my recommended before this video came in, same with Excelblem's stuff coming out before mangs did a challenge video with him..... algorithm has grown to the next level of anticipating what mangs is going to be involved with and recommending their channels ahead of time!!! =O

[@Godna]

Love your stuff. Also ditto

[@dorcasmutton6335]

Give me your KZbin watch history that sounds sick

[@pitchdotto]

the greyfield theme kicking in when the battleship was deployed made me cry of laughter

[@dunethewanderer8944]

The Greyfield thing coming in right at the battleship was like a fuckin flashback to how crazy strong battleships were in Days of Ruin...

[@dorcasmutton6335]

Gayfield?

[@RunicRhino22]

@@dorcasmutton6335 😳😳😳😳

[@Prodigial]

Battleships were far better in DoR than the other AW games, but they still sucked. Especially since Gunboats were introduced. Battleships were far too much money for what they brought.

[@lostanimeworld11]

Accidentally joining a tournament match is one of the most anime/fictional story scenario I've ever heard happening in real life. At least it's online and not in person in some kind of sport. That would be really funny.

[@Kylesico912x]

Even better considering he won the match.

[@kingarthur3236]

All I've got to say about this match is don't overcomplicate it guys, just open tanks and infantry, those two mechs were completely useless and the Recon sacrificed itself for two turns of a tower which definitely not worth it. Also great play by mangs, his early game has improved a lot.

[@Randomwayz]

You can definitely build a recon on this map. Mechs are great later because they provide a cheap vehicle defense at one of the many spaces you have to defend. I got recon on turn 4 in my game to stop central cap and it honestly won me the game

[@piranhabones]

"This time I actually sat down and thought about my moves which is something I don't usually do" Never change eggman.

[@Zetact_]

He has changed, if you notice he actually took his Com Tower before starting engagements.

[@jameshansmeyer4936]

Battleship on the harbor next to Mangs' HQ would have been the best meme play

[@jameshansmeyer4936]

It would have covered both of the factories and the hq

[@cheesecakedoublepeanutbutt6511]

I agree that's a better place to build a battleship.

[@fadeemblem7665]

I was thinking defmoose was saving up to build a Neotank, which would have been pretty damn scary in the center when backed up by an anti-air. That would have probably forced a Bomber or Neotank response from Mangs, and would lead to a very different dynamic from then on. A Battleship was... definitely not the right choice.

[@demonzabrak]

Right? If you’re just have to build a battleship for the memes, at least put it in the other pond ffs. Then you can shell the two bases by your enemy hq from the docks, and that at least has some promise in securing the win.

[@borby4584]

@@demonzabrak even if it doesn’t, it’s, at the very least, free chip on any infantry or whatever else Mangs produces, which means he’d be able to recoup his losses soon enough

[@briankelly1240]

"what did his mechs do this turn? Nothing, they got killed." *savage*

[@ibrahimabumustafa7335]

Step 1 : face an opponent stronger than you Step 2 : embrace the sigma mindset and build recons, double mechs and battleships on anon FOW tournament match Step 3 : gain the respect of the KZbin audience Step 4 : use a name that an egg cannot pronounce

[@bernizubi5217]

>fighting on multiple fronts and loving it Mangs confirmed literally Hetler.

[@el_mr6439]

*Andy

[@privategallade9120]

🥚

[@Prodawg]

yeah

[@thebrazillianguytm2186]

egg

[@thecringeman9198]

🥚

[@creativename2281]

True

[@dorcasmutton6335]

🥚

[@juliannewallo8046]

*Mangs gets his ass kicked once* *Mangs:* A novice tactual choice, you remind me of my youth.

[@-alexanderhosch-4828]

Mangs: I'm old

[@asaltedpudding4041]

when you activate your little power midturn rather than at the start of your turn you can get extra meter(as you don't get meter with a co power active). On CO's that have a good little powers such as grit (and in my opinion Andy), this can make it so you get your next power a turn early, which in some cases may be the difference between winning a match and losing it. This is what I think defmoose was going for.

[@Lulink013]

Andy's COP is good, but the SCOP is so much better it's almost always better to save for it.

[@growasowa3444]

don't little powers take more gauge than is required to pop them if you have spare power or is that not a thing in AWBW?

[@asaltedpudding4041]

@@growasowa3444 as far as I'm aware they don't, but the increasing cost of activating powers makes so each bar point represents more cash.

[@TheFinalChapters]

49:50 Mangs, you don't charge CO power while you're using it. As such, you want to save it until the part of your turn where it will actually have an impact. So if the extra movement or damage isn't going to anything, all using your power early does is reduce the power you have afterward.

[@iicyfyiicyfy4568]

Been waiting for this, knew it was coming haha. Can't wait to see Mangs response to the battleship

[@yeetlordentertainment3937]

Ah, so you too are a man who tried to use a Battleship against Mangs. I'm the Grimm he went up against a while back, in another video

[@the_Duckyster]

I friggin love watching your AWBW replay commentaries.

[@soulhoney1227]

Good luck mangs you will be facing many opponets and even your mods good luck in this tournaments

[@DanBottiglieri]

Love this series Mangs! One mistake you -keep- making as Adder is forgetting about the huge benefit of having a cheap little power and super power: you can build up charge before you pop it, you do not have to pop it straight away. Defmoose is actually playing the powers more intelligently; you keep popping it too early and forgoing the extra charge. Defmoose played worse in basically every other way so I can see why you'd think it was just more mistakes but you become really predictable with the little power usage, there's no mindgame of wondering when you'll pop it and suddenly gain +1 or maybe even +2 movement. I would love to see you play Adder vs a better Adder player, I think once you see one of those you'll see your folly. It's not a huge deal but I think it gives a better Adder player an edge.

[@briankelly1240]

Mangs: 2nd player has 39% win rate on this map (61% for 1st player), you actually came out even though odds against you (found in map analysis)

[@orangejuice3235]

Yeah, the FTA might make it so that the top right of the map is more vulnerable than the bottom left is. The extra inf on bottom might make FTA about even on bottom, but top base for second player is still at a disadvantage.

[@Zetact_]

Even with the free Infantry and City? Does AWBW rebalance the maps based on the win rates and stuff and that's why some are given the bonus city and others aren't?

[@Lulink013]

@@Zetact_ no that's totally up to the map maker. If it's badly balanced someone will complain in the map's comments and the creator might fix it.

[@lastravenmph]

Also the reason he was using sideslip mid turn was because the engagements he took before he popped it wouldn't have made any difference in active power or not so it's better to delay to get extra CO charge before using it.

[@yoshifan2334]

The entire soundtrack of this video was building up to and in support of that Greyfield joke, my eyes went wide seeing that play.

[@rhettorical]

I asked some questions of the organizer to figure out how the tournament works and here's what I've gathered: - It's a 6-round Swiss format (where everyone participates in all six rounds), with the Top 8 facing off in a Double-Elimination final sub-tournament. - The map will be the same for everyone in a round, chosen by the organizer. - The CO ban list changes from round to round. - Everyone will be invited to a match so no one has to set it up themselves. - Every round is a "Mixed Base" map (tbh I didn't know what that meant when I joined), Std (no fog, 1k funds), turn timer and max time limit being worked on by the organizer to facilitate a tournament that doesn't take a year. At one point while people were joining, I noticed that you were auto-matched against Walker, the current site admin, which I thought would have been incredible to see, but then more people joined and the matches got reseeded. I looked up defmoose and he seems like strong player so I'm interested to see how this goes. EDIT: Ok I finished the video and uh... I don't know what happened there. Mr. Moose made a lot of odd mistakes for someone of his ranking. GG. Looking forward to seeing the rest of your matches!

[@Sweaper]

I checked his history and a lot of the ranked games were FoG so I'm guessing he is used to building more mechs than usual and thought it would translate well in this game by getting some free shots but mechs in standards are a lot more difficult to use well and that really ruined his game

[@Lulink013]

You didn't have to ask him since all the info about the tournament is on challonge

[@Sadpersonsclub]

Can’t wait to see the next match!!

[@jacobcapistrano6731]

Greyfield theme upon building a Battleship was so on point!

[@HanakkoLove]

6:16 minor slip imo. I don't think going for the airport first is that good because that means your infantry will have a weaker presence in the middle compared to your opponent and you wouldn't be able to produce your air unit earlier in any case. Going for the upper city like P1 did just reinforces infantry a little quicker in the center. Of course it isn't one small detail that settles the match but instead how well does the tank engagements occur throught the match, just thought it was worth pointing out

[@shelbyramin1376]

I thought the same thing.

[@TheFinalChapters]

This was actually the reason Mangs didn't capture the com tower for so long. He ignored the chain and instead went for the airport that he couldn't use.

[@Yewtahraptr]

Huh, days of ruin ost in an AWBW match? A pleasant surprise. I'm also surprised you didn't start with "cruel rose", which is some pretty strong restraint. Well played mangs, well played.

[@Lychz]

Years since I played advance wars, but I thoroughly enjoy these replays, thanks man!

[@machetank4045]

I think the battleship was smart, just on the wrong harbor. The one by your opponent HQ is 6 tiles away from their bases and you have a nearby airport, their is a real threat of HQ cap.

[@Zetact_]

I'm not so sure. In that case I think a simple response would be to build a Bomber from the mid-map airport and send it down to slaughter the Battleship and then you have a Bomber to play with. Or if you wanted to be more economic and not send a Bomber down, you could also send Copters. Most it seems like it'd do is force the attention of some Air units. Battleship on that spot seems like it'd be kind of a "win more" move.

[@machetank4045]

@@Zetact_ Maybe, idk, the harbor being 6 tiles from the bases is the first thing i noticed during the intro so i thought it would be interesting. Of course it wouldn't reverse the game to the point of winning when you're that behind, but it has merits.

[@Zetact_]

The entire Days of Ruin OST focus was all building up for that punchline, and it was worth it. But all that work and I think if it did prove to be an issue you can just send an air unit right over to that corner to kill it and then you'll still have an air unit that you can use elsewhere.

[@Artemas_16]

Also, air unit could just blocked ship, because opponent kept it in harbor.

[@fall9724]

I personally feel the extra city for player 2 is devastating to player 1 as I would, similar to Mangs prefer to go for the airport then to contest that city. But player 1 is instead heavily pressured to not as strongly contest that city and instead move the first infantry up to capture this property. Not debating whether it was necessary or not just that it's placement is too punishing along with that extra few turns of income

[@Kommandant7]

Just got recently into AW and I'm so glad to have found your channel! Gonna consume like Grimm.

[@MAJJASTAK]

Sorry if it may polluate this comment section, but what is the submission deadline for the original CO contest ? I've got alot of work this week and i think i will be able to finish my character's hand made art only on saturday afternoon, i hope that's not too late...

[@UsernameyMcUsernameFace]

He said they'll be shown next time he streams AW content, which is usually on a Friday.

[@Mangs1337]

Sunday!

[@soulhoney1227]

@@UsernameyMcUsernameFace got the answer because tomorow is fire emblem revelation

[@MAJJASTAK]

@@Mangs1337 thanks a lot, i'm very eager to submit my CO as she will have a completely unique theming and design

[@komododragon7619]

@@MAJJASTAK X to doubt

[@orangejuice3235]

His biggest mistake was definitely his builds. His early recon gave you greater tank advantage in his weaker areas, even if it delayed your comm tower by three turns. His mechs didn't serve any purpose, because you shut them down so easily. The arty could've been decent, but was a mistake because he was playing against another Adder. If his game plan was the battleship, he needed better tank presence everywhere else.

[@Kantbei]

Recon from center base is theory on this map. It wasn't well utilized however. Mech was a mistake because it should be built on the two base, while center base is for tank spam after 3 inf (funds allowing).

[@oEllery]

I think maybe he was determining which units required +1 Move or +10% Firepower to accomplish their actions before activating his power. It would also explain why he took a long time on his turn. After you activate your CO Power, you don't gain anymore Meter while the Power is active. If you know which units do not require the CO Power to accomplish their job for the turn, you can have them act first, gain meter, and then activate your CO power. The extra meter you build will carry over and help you activate the CO Power more frequently. I picked up on this tactic while playing as Sasha; If I was careful to build as much meter as possible before activating my CO Power, I could almost constantly drain the opposing CO and prevent them from ever getting their power. I could see how it would be useful for Adder as well since he could trigger +1 Move more frequently in the ideal scenario.

[@hoboryan3455]

What a cool tournament theme. Id love to see more in this series.

[@ColdEmperor]

Mangs has finally reached the tournament arc!!!!

[@RoulicisThe]

The battleship itself wasn't a bad idea, but it came out too early, and ended up behind in overhall military power... And he spawned it on the wrong base : Had he built it on the other side of the map, he'd have been able to bombard all the south of the map up to your HQ. Thus he'd have been able to chase you off of the contested properties and constantly weaken the units built on your south bases all while restricting your movements significantly. That would've been a good move, but again : not this early, and not while pressured on 3 different fronts, he should've waited at least one more turn so that he'd have enough in the bank to keep his factories working even while recruiting the battleship, and he'd have had a couple more units to reinforce the contested parts of the map.

[@zacbounce3805]

Mangs some people dont pop their power until they have first taken engagements where they don't need it stuff where its garunteed to build up more co power before popping the little power. That way next turn they have some charge left over.

[@Mangs1337]

Interesting.

[@blahmaster6k]

I'm very surprised Mangs didn't take the opportunity to block Orange's base in the bottom right at 41:50. Sure, it's covered by artillery, but the tank won't die and he has the mech there to shut it down.

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

I actually like mechs in that base but it's way too early and he needs infantry or tanks there, period. Maybe he can spam mechs there when he pivots that base onto defense. That base seems like it'd be annoying to attack with a bunch of mechs on those mountains, but it's way harder to attack with mechs than to defend something. Fun thing I noticed about this map, is you can easily do the missile covering the enemy airport thing in the south base. I wonder if anyone tried that. Probably not since it's kind of a meme. That's an interesting bship but I feel like you can just make some air units or something and for cheaper to boot. What's he going to do then, start pumping out cruisers to save his kind of bad investment? They're not even particularly good against air. So it's both easily ignored and easily countered this time.

[@shelbyramin1376]

Alot of people underestimate the 10 percent boost during adders power. Imagine a Hawke unit (but with a defense boost as well) with an additional movement. Regardless, Adder is definitely a challenging co to use properly.

[@Lulink013]

I think an easier comparison would be a Von Bolt unit, lol.

[@SaaScofagus]

The roads in this map kinda look like snakes, a map worthy of Adder and Adder

[@runawaypizor]

Leave it to Mangs to accidentally join a tournament 😆 Thanks for sharing this match!

[@m98_b]

38:11 I’m dead lmao

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

Honestly, the battleship could have been a good move if FoW was enabled or he lured some higher value units over to the harbor.... *And* wasn't playing against adder.

[@ZerFayt]

Opponent is a sigma adder for making that bold naval move

[@willboese980]

now I imagine every mangs video title with a question mark at the end of it. Are neotanks worth it? What happened in olaf's hometown? My first advance wars tournament??

[@DonkyKongDude]

Mangs in the bottom right flank you should have moved your mec on the city a turn earlier to attack the infantry. You could have activated side slip the next turn and attack the artillery without getting retaliated by it.

[@amiasg9305]

Yeah it's a ridiculous position for the second player's infantry. AND THERES AN EXTRA CITY! insane

[@viviblue7277]

An undefendable extra city!

[@Alche_mist]

@@viviblue7277 An undefendable extra city, but it either generates even more or delays the airport grab. Which may very well be very significant.

[@blahmaster6k]

It's a 4 base map so you need to counter 2 bases worth of FTA, and 1 infantry and a city is a more balanced counter than 2 free infantry.

[@xuanbachlai5371]

iirc, you don't gain power gauge when your power is popped there's an argument for saving it mid-turn, then popping it twice in a row (cheap power). But then again, this would only be good when you're ahead and don't need the 10% firepower boost

[@RDG99]

Map name is Hybrid Theory? It may be named after the best album of Linkin Park (imo)!

[@tt-rama2246]

The 2 Mechs in the open terrain did'n make sense to me too. Let alone the Battleship. This is a typical "tanks and battle copters map".

[@napstab100k]

Congratz on the win! Pretty interesting that it was a mirror match.

[@JJSSBU]

Napstablook being social? It's been 6 years, no one remember Undertale's characters

[@RealityMasterRogue]

@@JJSSBU whats your problem

[@1423big]

>highest rated comment is a spoiler Cool 😎

[@craydussy]

God damnit fuck this feature it always spoils me

[@Artemas_16]

@@JJSSBU dude, there is chapter 2 of Deltarune coming, maybe he will be there.

[@ShadowBaofu]

Best of luck to you nordic egg!

[@popers1328]

I don't watch your Advance Wars content because I'm not interested in it, I just watch the Fire Emblem stuff. This video is actually very good and very interesting and I enjoyed it greatly.

[@Delimon007]

That battleship is a hilarious meme 😂 It basically means he controls that side of the map and there's nothing you can do about it but you can also just ignore it and take everything else since he spent 30k on a friggin battleship 🤣

[@Lulink013]

Liked how this played out! Hey, BTW, Mangs, have you noticed how all the sprites look blurry on AWBW? It's because the website forces your web browser to use anti-aliasing on the sprites when scaling them. You might want to get the clean pixel-art look back by using a client-side script for your videos. There's one that has been shared around on the AWBW Discord for example.

[@Mangs1337]

Isn't that limited to Aw1 graphics that dont move around though?

[@stefenboney7145]

38:10 phenomenal edit lol

[@SilentVinyl]

Surprise Battleship

[@last_dutch_hero258]

Good news mangs, i have my CO ready. I drawed/wrote it out on a A4 and ill scan it in tomorrow and send it. Hope you like the idea! (Sadly no art as i am a really bad artist myself but i can envision really well how he looks...

[@yeetlordentertainment3937]

Can we hear about it?

[@last_dutch_hero258]

@@yeetlordentertainment3937 Nope, it's a secret for now.

[@tt-rama2246]

Nice one. Really well analysed the terrain and the battle copters.

[@Spinner891]

At 32:00, on the top left, couldn't he have moved his infantry to the left of your 2 hp infantry, and then attacked with that infantry? That way he would have been able to block your infantry anyway.

[@VeyVox]

I Like the fact that you used the Days of Ruin Soundtrack^^

[@mrgreensuit7379]

I open recon turn 3 or 4 often if the map allows for it to deadly effect.

[@tehy123]

Big mistake I think was building the anti-air, instead of just building a B copter in the nearby airport. Can be used to zone out opponent's B copter OK and could also be used to go and wreak havoc in the left side or up top if the opponent doesn't build their own B copter

[@Siptom369]

Adder is fighting a clone of himself now

[@fernandopires135]

38:40: "not as bad as you think because it locks this whole area" Mangs... It will take 7-9 turns for him to recuperate his investment, while leaving open areas where you can get similar value to that area... Its a garbage move Shit! He could have made the same thing in the south and at least threaten your 2 bases and it would still be a hard sell!

[@bird3713]

This always makes me want to get back into playing Advance Wars, but I just don't have the time :(

[@Mangs1337]

I literally cannot imagine a better game to play with a hectic schedule than AWBW. It allows you to take your turn exactly when you want to. You can log on, take 3-4 turns and log off. Matches have timers with several days on them, meaning that on very hectic days you don’t even need to log on to play.

[@bird3713]

@@Mangs1337 alright I signed up for a game. Wish me luck! (Even though I’ve watched all your videos on CO tier lists, I was still nervous when picking my CO. It’s a Fog of War map so I decided to go with Sonya, even though there’s limited forests and mountains on the map.)

[@Lulink013]

@@bird3713 beware, AWBW is much easier to learn by playing non-fog first. If you don't have a lot of experience playing VS real players it'll be hard to know what to expect comming out of the fog, for example. Also if a match allows you to pick a better CO than Sonja, do it. You can see which CO is best on a map by clicking on map stat when on a map's page, then clicking on top of the win rate collumn to sort COs by win-rate.

[@bird3713]

@@Lulink013 oops- I’ll try that next time.

[@robertharris6092]

Instead of the battleship he should of built a MD tank to the south east to protect the com tower.

[@makohidari4723]

while i salute the big brain battleship , your opponent just made too many mistakes while you played a solid match. the match was pretty much over 10 minutes before he resigned. interested in seeing round 2

[@GyaruRespecter]

*TOURNAMENT ARC! TOURNAMENT AAAAARC!!!*

[@theoutlander1411]

38:11: BIGGEST MISTAKE OF THE MATCH

[@MarcoTalin12]

20:15-21:00 Checking the math, there was a 1/3 chance of killing either one of those infantry, so it wasn't a great chance to begin with. However, he had a 56% chance of killing at least one, so he lost that coinflip pretty hard.

[@kishothepilot]

Bring glory to the egg army

[@tropics6628]

Never played this game before nor do I know the rules, but I still enjoyed the video!

[@rokuronzoni6274]

Mangs shaved head and the little microphone piece dead center of it, makes him look similar to kane from c&c

[@ziljin]

Big brain battleship

[@DEATHRAGE157]

Hybrid theory is a Linkin Park album btw

[@FunnyMemes-dr3se]

I also play too fast. Playing low timed games is more fun I feel.

[@VulcanGray]

Can't wait to see this!

[@adept7497]

Tbh locking down a base is nothing to look over, essentially limit opponents units on the field. Maybe if his capture game was better, produced effiecently out of bases (without recon opener) and swapped those mechs with inf, the Battleship could have been worth it....? Not sure tho. Btw what is the name of this map? I like it.

[@Mangs1337]

Video description!

[@magix_7391]

Mangs, the description for the guys channel at the end is “Subscribe to Excelblem”

[@joshjulrich]

Can't wait until you have to cosplay peri for losing our 1v15 match on AWBW. Nice job on the win!

[@shadex08]

I LOVE this map

[@Notaflamingo]

19:28 I wouldn't say complicated, I would say messy. it's a messy match, and those are probably the most interesting matches to watch ^_^

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Seeing the city sprites overlap on top of mountains bug the shit out of me.

[@EstrategaNKT]

well, the mechs are good! but in this case, in the courner of the map, not in mid, where ANYTHING can shooting it xD.

[@odilazulixl5351]

Maybe he held on to his power because he prefered to get more power charge instead of the firepower and defence bonus (and only pop it when he needs to)

[@soulhoney1227]

Imagine a 2 vs 2 match Welcome to chaos city

[@stoffhimel]

he went for a wonder weapon. never go for a wonder weapon. that battleship was his ratte. it alone practically cost him the map.

[@rngstratos7812]

38:10 I literally lol'd haha

[@lastravenmph]

Hey mangs will you make an analysis vid of your game against the goat x123456789?

[@RunicRhino22]

Is that Days of Ruin music

[@Mangs1337]

Indeed

[@mimik2098]

@@mmg9753 man a delusional trumptard bot, i never thought that i would see such a funny combination LMAO

[@Arc_ride]

this crypto guy is some high tier schizo, holy fuck

[@RunicRhino22]

@@mmg9753 Larper

[@billymaier6712]

I think Defmoose was trolling you with the builds lol

[@whichDude]

7:41 Mangs criticizing early recon when that's how he opens 95% of his games. Interesting maneuver...

[@Kaicho_Fluffy]

Yes but as he states that's because it's a map without fog of war

[@whichDude]

@@Kaicho_Fluffy He still rushes recons constantly regardless of fog. This video and the last Adder V Adder match seem to be the start of him not liking early recons.

[@hustlevania3318]

Good luck :)

[@Arc_ride]

What's the song at 22:07? It's pretty good.