I didn't love Mister Fantastic in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

[@bruhbruhin_a_sling7775]

Personally, liked John as older Reed who’s more settled down and human but Mr Fantastic is actually pretty arrogant and calculated sometimes and as Nando mentioned, serious. Reed is someone I imagine to be the type of person to look at anyone who isn’t his immediate family as statistics and variables in a problem he needs to solve. He is impulsive in his need to solve every one of the universe’s problems and is sort of unhealthily in love with science. Reed will be building or finding something very dangerous, people will tell him not to use it, and then he’s gonna go behind their backs and use it anyway just for science. If John can play a younger main mcu version of Mr Fantastic and they actually find cool ways for him to use his powers (shape shifting, density shifting, disguising) he could definitely work.

[@ProjektTaku]

luffy from one piece is how you do stretchy powers.

[@hefoughtabear118]

Yeah john is way too nice and down to earth to play him but he might surprise us idk

[@fqwgads]

>looking at people who aren't family as statistics and variables Reminds me of one Stephen Strange

[@justmindset]

As much as I agree, let's be real, the mcu will never get that deep with their characters

[@vitopellegrini6773]

I also think that there is no reason why our version of Mr Fantastic should be like the one in the comics. I would like a drok version of Reed who kind of feels like a Jim from the Office and the grows into the family man we saw in DrS2. I think that would be a differtent and original aproach to the character, something refreshing. If you think about it we already have arrogant and brilliant characters who would do what you are saying (remeber that a lot of people complained about Tony and Dr. Strange being very similar). In fact literally that is what the doctor strange form the 838 universe did, use a very dargerous thing behind everyone´s backs. (Pardon my english in case you find some typo, im from Argentina)

[@shivverma3236]

when i saw reed i swear the first thought was “what will nando think of this”

[@codymills2393]

Same!

[@pedrodelgado4808]

Yes, after gasping loudly, that was also my thought 😂

[@Tostorito]

"Somebody find Ja Rule so I can make sense of all of this. Where's Ja?!"

[@ThaKonig]

@@codymills2393

[@marqawesome429]

@@Tostorito 😂😂😂

[@TheDiabeticGameMaster]

The biggest moment for Mr Fantastic for me is when, in Marvel 1601 or whatever, the Niel Gaiman comic that takes place in colonial America, Dr Doom has him locked away. They go to talk to him and he just straight up asks Doom if he thinks light might function both as a particle AND a wave. Dude is imprisoned and is spending his time inventing Einsteins theories a couple of centuries early. Hes infinitely curious, to a fault.

[@Blarmenify]

Same comic he realizes that they are all fictional characters too

[@sailordaigurren8225]

1601 is amazing

[@TheDiabeticGameMaster]

@@sailordaigurren8225 I never hear anybody talk about it. It's a shame. Still, happy too see that I wasn't the only one who read it, lol.

[@Volvagia1927]

Reed Richards, personality wise, is a scientifically curious to a fault version of a 1950s/1960s Sitcom dad who has stretchy powers. How is Jason Bateman NOT everyone's first fan-cast? After Arrested Development and Ozark, that's a SLAM DUNK casting pick.

[@sailordaigurren8225]

@@Volvagia1927 I like Seth Meyers for Richards, personally

[@gavo7911]

On the one hand, I totally agree, but on the other hand, this IS the perfect opportunity for Krasinski to play a flawed, arrogant character that is totally different from his usual roles. I think it could go either way.

[@kbg12ila]

I agree. But I felt a lot of warmth from his portrayal in MoM. He just had this natural warmth and idk if he can give off cold and calculating.

[@tomcairns3757]

To be honest, after watching this video I feel like we've seen most of what Nando wants from Reed in Iron Mans story arc. I'd love to see something a little bit different, they should take the Homecoming route - we know the origin already, we don't need to waste anymore time with another play by play F4 origin IMO. We don't need to see an arrogant know it all learn how to become a team player.. AGAIN. They should focus way more on the family dynamic in the F4 movie anyway, its not a Reed Richards movie. I think Krasinski will return for two reasons. 1. It would be a poor business move (on Krasinskis behalf) to cement himself as Mr Fantastic for a handful of scenes in the biggest franchise in the world to then not return. 2. Despite what they did with variants in Loki, it would be odd to have Mr Fantastic appear alongside variant characters with faces we HAVE seen numerous times (Carter, Prof X, Black Bolt, Mordo) in the past and then the next appearance of Mr Fantastic bare somebody elses face entirely. Bonus Reason: Just because John hasn't played a character like Reed before doesn't mean he isn't capable.. he's an actor at the end of the day.

[@ArborealOreo]

Remember all the times in The Office in which he got angry, I can se him doing a selfish person, who puts up a family-man façade.

[@kadegetslaid634]

@@kbg12ila Mr fantastic isn't cold and calculating

[@voicedbird]

Agreed. I hate that Nando's whole argument boils down to, John Krasinski shouldn't play this character because it's deeply flawed and he's never played a deeply flawed character before. He's an ACTOR. And as others have pointed out the arc he wants was already perfected with Tony Stark and Dr Strange.

[@NCO643]

I am still pulling hard for Glenn Howerton as Reed Richards. His work on IASIP and AP Bio proves he can pull of a sociopath and an academic flawlessly.

[@joseanything]

Agreed. He totally embodies Reed's arrogance, and you can actually believe him being the smartest guy in the room.

[@HarryMess]

I want this so bad! He was the second choice for StarLord, so hopefully that means they've got him in mind for future roles?

[@extremetoast5723]

Not a fan for him as 616, but definitely down for him as the maker. Especially with that jawline.

[@antiichristie]

This is such a fantastic casting

[@SpiritLife]

It was the smartest move to cast him here so he can be a one and done. We get our fan casting dream, but now another actor can play him in the regular universe

[@jasoncoladonato1034]

True, but I still want him to be the main MCU’s Reed. Me and most other people too.

[@SpiritLife]

@@jasoncoladonato1034 that's fair. Although for some reason I guess I'm just not excited about the Fantastic 4 anyway.

[@gonkdroid8279]

Agreed

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

@@SpiritLife The fantastic 4 are super cool, they just haven't been presented well on screen. Their comic iterations ROCK! We just need a director that loves the source material and understands it just as well as the fans do!

[@SpiritLife]

@@sethfeldpausch4337 would you agree that the Incredibles was the best (unofficial) representation of the fantastic four?

[@PrinceLuis100]

Definitely not my first choice but he might grow on me if he comes back for the main MCU F4. Can't say I'm not intrigued by him playing a Veteran Reed Richards in Earth 838. I can only imagine what the rest of the F4 looks like.

[@ninemugetsu]

I think the main traits youre referring to are more on the writing than Krasinski, with a strong character foundation (like the one established in the first Cap movie for example) I could see Krasinski excelling at the role

[@hoangnamdo182]

Agreed. Chris Evan seems to be playful, but he has played a serious character like Steve Rogers very well

[@Boundless-Boredom]

It would be on him to be able to deliver a convincing performance with the writing given but I definitely agree as long as the writing and direction is there than krasinki could do it.

[@silverjaguar6744]

@@Boundless-Boredom I mean neither was there in Doctor Strange. He didn't really get directed, as it was very late in reshoots and he didn't get to act of anyone. The writing also didn't do Reed any favours. Krasinski would be great

[@joeytedesco9032]

I believe John Krasinski would be an effective choice emotionally. You've laid out that he doesn't really play complex characters with flaws, and I think that can be used against us. We would all feel betrayed when he inevitably causes some of the biggest issues in the MCU because he was too curious or too arrogant. Not married to him being brought back for the role, and I instantly felt like this was "Here you go, have the thing you want. Ok we're gonna do something else now", but thinking of it in this new light has opened me up to the possibility and I wouldn't be disappointed in his casting.

[@AliLightfoot]

I felt exactly the same and I think you can back up that view with Patrick Stewart's presence too.

[@2012Pictures]

Honestly, I’m also hoping Kransinki isn’t the official MCU Reed Richards. In terms of performance, I thought Kransinki was a bit bland and didn’t leave much of impression. More importantly, however, I just thought introducing the new Reed Richard this way was weird. Not only does Kransinki have no interesting/fun action or character beat to endear the audience to him but then he just dies two minutes after we meet him? Why should we care about this character or feel that he’s any kind of threat? To me, they should’ve just brought back Ioan Gruffin to cameo as Reed in this movie. We at least know that Reed a little bit, it’d be yet another nice nod to the Fox Superhero Universe and killing him off would’ve been fine since it’s VERY unlikely that Reed would ever be used again.

[@mon_nobi]

100% agree. Wish they just brought back Ioan instead

[@mageeaaron2624]

I understand what you mean. I didn't find his version of Mr. Fantastic bland. I saw his cameo introduction almost similar to Tom Holland's Spider-Man being introduce in Civil War, which was fine for me. However, the only difference between the introductions was the fact that Spider-Man was in the movie more than 15 mins, and Mr. Fantastic was only in this movie for about 5 mins. But I do agree, I think they could of use the actor from the 2005 movie, but an older version.

[@c32g89]

Yeah it kinda felt like Krasinski phoned it in, which I highly doubt is true cuz this is such a big role, but it felt like he was just doing line readings

[@adnannaemaz1989]

Man had like 5 mins of screen time and 3 dialogues but sure judge away lol.

[@jlev1028]

Yeah, it was weird how Mr. Fantastic was the only Illumanati member not played by someone who's done the character before. He felt like an afterthought.

[@HiperPivociarz]

That moment when he talked about all those lines on the costumes I finally felt heard lol If the 60s sci fi aesthetic is leotards and spandex, then the 2010s/2020s sci fi aesthetic is Tron and sports bra material for some reason.

[@RhysClark97]

so glad we are passed the lether and Kevlar body armor phase though.

[@grandmastercadillac9052]

They all look like they were made by the same person because they basically are. Andy Park

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@RhysClark97 i mean what is the alternative to spandex or armor padding?

[@RhysClark97]

@@jmgonzales7701 I mean those are two materials for one and secondly it depends on the hero, for example the whole spandex and muscle padding look works for say a hero like Shazan because that how he imagines heros on the page coming to life 1 to 1, its not subtle, it doesnt make sense, its bright and colourful and thats precisely why a magic child would turn into an adult wearing it. However someone like batman has often been interpreted with more military style utilitarian clothing because thats what he as a super rich guy can get a hold of, mix that with him basically being a ninja and you get alot of costumes that all suit an interpretation of him. My "leather and kevlar" comment was more just their being an era where they insisted every hero wear that.

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@RhysClark97 that begs the question for some heroes like superman and shazam. Would spandex still be the way to go? as spandex does have a narrative that it looks bad and campy.

[@SomeGuy1918]

I think it would be very cool if the mcu brought back Ioan Gruffudd as Reed Richards but not as Mr Fantastic, but as The Maker

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

Miles Teller would fit better as The Maker, but Ioan has said he would like to play a villain, so that's another possibility

[@QMOne]

I honestly would like to have relatively young f4 as well as xmen, cause we have enough old characters and we need “new blood”, but not teenagers (Chavez, Bishop etc) u know We need new cornerstones in my opinion

[@SansDaManz]

Kate Bishop is in her early 20s in Hawkeye. Not really a teenager

[@DoctorKidemonas]

Yeah. One thing Phase 4 is kinda doubling down on is this whole "pass the torch" mentality. It's a new generation of heroes, with new stories to tell. Captain America, Iron Man, the original avengers had their time in the spotlight, so let's step back and let some of the new guys shine. Falcon, Strange, Spider-Man, Kate Bishop & Yelena Belova.

[@DoctorKidemonas]

Actors like Sir Patrick Stewart, while a nice nod to the fans, are fully fledged, established heroes. We need new X-Men, who can grow with and into the role. I love the old cast, but it's time to close that book and tell a different story.

[@DoctorKidemonas]

And, in the same vein, Krasinski is, like Nando said, Reed Richards post growth, fully developed. He works fine as is, but if you want to tell a new story with a new Mr. Fantastic, you're going to want someone who can take the role and make it theirs. Arnold Schwarzenegger IS the Terminator, Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones, but John Krasinski only plays Reed Richards.

[@Durmomo0]

I always liked the idea of setting the FF movie back in the 60s, they just seem so 60s to me. I'd love to see more of the original ant man and wasp and heroes from that age as well.

[@ProMontreal]

I did like John as Mr. Fantastic, but for this cameo, I think they should have gone with Ioan Gruffudd as that would have classed as the FOX MCU so they were all connected. They should have had Tom Cruise as Iron Man and replaced all the actors who were in a different universe - it just would have been more coherent with the question: why do all the Spider-Men look different, but Dr. Strange and Wanda look the same in a different universe?

[@ProMontreal]

@Julian R yeah I get that, I do. But, don’t you think it’s a little all over the place in terms of why some lookalike, and others don’t? Oooo I have a theory… maybe only variance look alike 😳

[@IcyDiamond]

But did they have shows backwards traffic lights in those universes?

[@ProMontreal]

@@IcyDiamond 😂 to my knowledge, I can’t recall seeing a traffic light in the Fox Universe 😂😂😂 so I cannot confirm or deny

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

J. Jonah variants look the same.

[@luvcherry]

theres infinite other tom holland, etc. looking spidermen in other universes, we just happened to see ones that all look different in nwh, they can look the same or completely different we just happened to see another wanda olsen universe and a few benedict stranges

[@logansmith2703]

This feels like a casting decision you make when you don't want to use that actor for the main universe

[@emilykate0835]

Exactly... it feels like the casting decision you make when you want everybody to shut up about a fancast and move on (in the nicest way possible of course)

[@silverjaguar6744]

@@emilykate0835 This feels like the opposite of that. Why give people what they want, only to take it away minutes later? That's way worse than not giving it in the first place

[@Durmomo0]

@@emilykate0835 Why would anyone make a movie that way though?

[@volopo7049]

@@Durmomo0 money?

[@MariaVosa]

Mostly I think we're going to need a younger Reed than Krasinski, to separate him from the other self-important geniuses like Stark and Strange.

[@lucasiglesias1894]

still, somewhat older since their children should be around the age of the younger heores being introduced

[@everything-comics1102]

Reed isn’t supposed to be a younger guy than them, the thing that separates him from Tony and strange is because he’s smarter (in most cases with Tony) and he knows it

[@Chuck_EL]

​​@@everything-comics1102 he's also the smartest marvel character ever I haven't seen one person bring that when saying they want John to play him

[@Blakeneyd]

I really liked Ioan Gruffudd as Mr. Fantastic (wish he’d been in this). Reed differs from Tony. He’s got a high IQ and a low EQ. (Tony’s just arrogant.) It’s not so much “I’ll do this because I can” as it is “I’ll do this to advance the cause of Science!” He only learns to come out of his bubble because of his family. I thought Ioan captured that perfectly.

[@Chuck_EL]

Me too and he was focused on his work at the expense of his relationships which is comic accurate to Reed

[@mr.monkeypaws4019]

After Wolverine I’d love to see your picks for an Inhumans reboot movie. Here are mine Black Bolt: Henry Cavill Medusa: Rebecca Ferguson Maximus: Adam Driver Crystal: Juno Temple Gorgon: Omar Sy Karnak: Riz Ahmed Triton: Ncuti Gatwa

[@pranealmistry8977]

I think Ioan Gruffudd should have reprised his role as Reed Richards since every other member of the Illuminati had previously played a character in a Marvel film.

[@Jmcinally94]

I feel like the Krasinski casting here is a nice way to give the fans what they wanted, even if they don't plan on it being the long term choice.

[@WhyWeWatch1]

He seemed just a little stiff and wooden to me, but that could be because of that character growth? Maybe he needs another go, as another non-616 Reed, but maybe he’s not right for this one

[@obscureentertainment8303]

Probably because he filmed all of his scenes against a green screen and didn't have a complete script to work with.

[@Boundless-Boredom]

I don’t feel like you can get an exact read on Krazinskis Reed(pun somewhat intended) from the small amount of time he had on screen and speaking. You can infer a bit from the little glimpses at his backstory but he didn’t get a change to do or say anything really reed Richards-esque. If we get him again we just need a writer and director that understand the character as I’m sure John can play him well enough

[@dangibbins5435]

I had a thought... what if the MCU Reed was someone younger with a bit more "mad scientist" energy, like, say, Nicholas Huolt, and then Krasinski comes back as an older, seemingly sager Reed that turns out to be the Maker, the Ultimate Reed that went crazy and evil? Or maybe THAT'S the Reed they need Glenn Howerton for...

[@Durmomo0]

They could have the FF movies be set a couple decades ago and then have them older in modern times.

[@holyrod2001]

When I saw the way they flipped a lot of character relationships with Captain Carter rather than Steve, Mordo as the sorcerer supreme rather than Stephen, and Maria rather than Carol, I thought that Krazinsky as Thing rather than Reed fit way better and is well planted by the idea of these flips. Do I think they'll do that, not really, but it's on my mind.

[@luddsen8314]

I kinda wanted a lawful evil version of the Illuminati. I’d have The Maker version of Mr Fantastic, Superior Iron Man, Dr Strange Supreme from What If (kinda wanted him to be possessed by Shuma-Gorath, since he absorbed the powers of some sort of eldritch tentacle monster), Emma Frost from the X-Men movies, House of X version of Xavier, Namor and some sort of evil version of Black Bolt. I’m fine with what we got. They just felt a bit underwhelming.

[@nerovondoom6298]

So you wanted the Cabal not the Illuminati?

[@luddsen8314]

@@nerovondoom6298 I guess. But in all honesty, I feel like the Illuminati has just as much blood on their hands as the Cabal.

[@nerovondoom6298]

@@luddsen8314 They do in the time runs out avengers story but they dont want to be like that. You practically named the named the cabal. Just missed thanos.

[@obsidianchilly]

To give more specific angle to your point: One of Reed’s classic flaws is that he doesn’t always put his family first, which leads to many conflicts with Sue and his kids. Jim in the office, his character in A Quiet Place for example ALWAYS put their relationship and family first (an offshoot of the “nice American boy trope”).

[@aidanshea5942]

Ummm... Remember when Jim went to Philadelphia to start his sports company, that seems like him putting himself first?

[@mon_nobi]

@@aidanshea5942 ummm remember how that sports company thing was for like .005% of his time on the show? For the other 99.995% of Jim's history on The Office, he was putting Pam and fam first.

[@BaithNa]

So you're saying he doesn't have the range to have that motivation? You know he's an actor and can play different roles, right? He's not really those characters so he can say and do different things.

[@mon_nobi]

@@BaithNa woah you're saying that John Krasinski is an actor? no way since when?! you know who is else an actor? Dwayne the Rock Johnson. He's an actor so he would be great for the role of Reed Richards, because after all an actor can just act and play different roles right?

[@laseede17]

@@mon_nobi Actually, it was for a whole season. And he had a family in only 5 seasons. So 20%. Not quite your 0,005%.

[@jonah3936]

I think something clever to potentially do is adapt Ultimate Reed's multiverse telephone thing. He would use it occasionally to get advice from 616-Reed/someone a lot like 616-Reed, who at the time was a lot like how Krasinski's Reed is presented, a family man renowned as one of his universe's greatest heroes (if I'm remembering Ultimate Fantastic Four correctly). That way, we get a young Reed in the main MCU learning how to be a hero in his own right while potentially also occasionally bouncing ideas off Krasinski's fully-formed "modern" Reed. Might be confusing for general audiences but I think it could work alright.

[@gonzacollao]

I know this is a lot of Sams but bare with me. My take on the F4 cast: Reed Richards: Jamie Dornan Sue Storm: Samara Weaving Johnny Storm: Sam Claflin Ben Grimm: Sam Worthington The ensamble looks awesome in my head. I even put their pictures next to each other and they look perfect.

[@crasyman101]

I would argue Johns character in the office is flawed. He flirted with an engaged woman until she left her fiance. He's constantly bullying his coworker. And very rarely does any work until like season 4. But he's funny so we over look a lot of that

[@tersan5043]

Why is flirting with her wrong. She’s NOT married. It’s HER relationship…if it wasn’t worth fighting for better to find out now and break a heart vs break a marriage/family/kids/inlaws etc. Sorry just don’t understand the importance we put on pre-marriage stuff but don’t bat an eye at divorce. You miss 100% of every shot you don’t take…before the ring gets put on.

[@creature6715]

@@tersan5043 you're really trying to argue infidelity is okay as long their isn't an expensive rock involved, okay then

[@crasyman101]

@@tersan5043 bro WHAT😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🥴

[@anom6707]

Ikr this whole video came off as nando v movies just making straw man arguments, not something I expected from him

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

@creature It’s the engagement ring that has the most expensive rock so your argument doesn’t work since the person in question is engaged. But I don’t think you should try to be in a relationship with a person who is engaged. But seriousness of cheating is depended on commitment in the relationship. You would judge cases where someone had just a dinner date, someone is in a open relationship, someone is living with a person but their so is cheating differently than a someone who cheats after 10 years of happy marriage. And engagement is smaller level of commitment than marriage which is a legal contract and social oath to be faithful.

[@vincknade5140]

I think Michael Fassbender would honestly be perfect in this role. I know he already played Magneto, but really who cares? Oscar Isaac played Apocalypse, and now he's a perfect fit as Moon Knight.

[@anom6707]

Don’t want a woman abuser to be mr fantastic no thank you

[@dylansharp8471]

@@anom6707 What?

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

I would personally say Harry Lloyd (Professor X of Legion) would make a great Reed.

[@MrEricReis]

He's an actor, so many of the MCU cast have had roles that are so different from their MCU counterparts. Give the guy a chance.

[@tom.parryjones]

6:35 - The correct pronunciation of “Gruffudd” is like “Griffith”, but with a TH like in the word “the”

[@EnzoDraws]

Thank you for giving credit where credit is due and shouting out mah boys Ryan Meinerding and Andy Park (plus all the other guys from the concept art department), they're a crucial part of the movies and should be regarded as fathers of the MCU as much as all the directors and producers who have given life to this universe. Those guys are idols.

[@mickeymouse7726]

I'd love to see the past X-Men actors from the fox X-Men movies come back through the multiverse in the classic 90s X-Men costumes

[@IAmMightyMike]

I would love Glenn Howerton to pull off that arrogant side of Reed. John's a solid pick visually but his personality is a bit too tame imo

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Basically Krasinski is like your college friend while Reed is closer to your professor.

[@PQRDG]

As someone who watches both Nando and Some More News, I never expected a video that would somehow bridge these two fandoms lol

[@NandovMovies]

I'm a huge fan of Cody's and Warmbo specifically

[@pathevermore3683]

@@NandovMovies glad someone likes warmbo.

[@sr.3895]

@@NandovMovies I love nandos videos, but I can't trust a warmbo fan 😔

[@nikhilkapoor428]

“The biggest threat to the multiverse…is Dr. Strange.” *looks at the camera nonchalantly*

[@joebove4]

I dunno. I may be misremembering, but I recall that Kraczinski (sic) actually wanted the role. And to me, that goes a long way towards being right for it. If you want the role, you make sure you’re the right actor for the job. And what I saw in Strange is that he’s got the right core material for the character. He didn’t get a lot of time to really get into Reed, but what we saw felt right to me. I’d love to see him get a real shot at the character, and hey, have Attilan be a part of a Fantastic Four movie so we can also continue Inhuman redemption.

[@YasaByYasa]

I’ll admit that I didn’t quite get where you were coming from initially, but after seeing the film, I get it. We can do better because I would wanna see Reed grow whereas we see this Reed more or less at the end of his journey Edit: I wouldn’t be surprised if the legit version of Reed and Sue aren’t initially married when they arrive in the MCU. And it’s more like this gradual love story between the two which ends with them finding out Sue is pregnant.

[@DavidSilva-mn4dz]

I would love to see them together already, part of the charm is how they keep the flame alive, how those two need each other and learn how to live as the Invisible Woman and Mr. Fantastic.

[@YasaByYasa]

@@DavidSilva-mn4dz Hmm, I get that

[@amartyakejora5451]

My biggest worry about Krasinski being Reed long-term is that he doesn't feel very dynamic. I mean dang, MoM had horror elements and was always moving. Yet he didn't bring nearly enough of that weight we got in A Quiet Place. The performances in the MCU you can describe in a lot of ways, but definitely never static. They have energy to them. Even the non-quipsters like Evans, Chadwick and Karen Gillan. I'm not watching an F4 where the guy called "Mr. Fantastic" is doing potentially world-changing research with the energy of an HR director reading employee complaints.

[@bennparrish8556]

Hold on now, Jack Ryan isn't a "flawed" character? They clearly say in the first episode that he has back problems.

[@kieran10202]

The back problems were his fault for being too nice, bringing a kid aboard the helicopter who turned out to be a suicide bomber, and he survived while others didn't.

[@shpambypamby3113]

Is this a joke?

[@ycgoosey1324]

If John Krasinski gets the main role, I predict he would do a much better role than you think. AN example of this exact situation paying off was heath ledger as the joker. It could fail but I think he really deserves a chance and not just his death scene.

[@frankunodostres473]

ngl I'm so glad I avoided spoilers and rumors! the 2 biggest moments for me were when reed richards appeared and the first thing I thought was "nando would've gone crazy!" :D and the other one was when professor x referenced a quote from my favourite x-men movie! they could've gone the easy way and have him quote the first installment or the most beloved one (x-2) but they decided to pick a quote from DOFP, the (imo) best x-men movie!

[@Kizaru3314]

I don't understand why people are only capable of seeing actors perform a certain kind of role, if they've performed a certain kind of role before. We would be deprived of Ledger's Joker if people could only see actors doing certain kinds of roles that they've done before.

[@Chuck_EL]

People in the business knew Heath would get the Joker, that's the difference

[@nas7416]

I feel like MoM should be treated as an audition for main universe Reed for John and he did not impress. People can excuse it and say he isn't playing the standard version of Reed we know in the comics but I still think he displayed how he wouldn't be a great fit to be the choice for a main Reed. There are many other actors who can bring that arrogance and the complex apathetic empathy that the character is known for.

[@mon_nobi]

Nando said it best in that he just has too much hunky Chad energy to believably play a nerdy scientist character. And beyond looking like the comic counterpart, his prior filmography has not really demonstrated that he would have any proficiency in or proclivity towards playing flawed characters.

[@mr.iiconic]

@@mon_nobi as someone who's never seen him in anything else, I don't get that energy from him at all. It honestly may just be informed bias from his other roles.

[@macincko4616]

@@mr.iiconic It really is, everyone's too focused on pointing out that he's never played a character exactly like Reed Richards before that they won't give him a chance now, I for one am ecstatic that he's in and I really hope he reprises the role in the MCU F4 movie and wows everyone with a great performance

[@Chuck_EL]

​​@@macincko4616 Reed Richards is a scientist , a doctor...he's fully immersed in his work his whole goal is to cure Ben Grimm because he solely feels responsible for his accident and because he's so obsessed with this he by default isolates from everyone including Ben himself Can you explain why he's a "spot on" Reed Richards??

[@wiredant6497]

I think Marvel should take some elements from Matt Reeves’ Batman movie where we get an entirely different version of the character, only this time we apply it to Mr. Fantastic. Not tortured or anything, but different

[@skele1]

I’d love to see your take on the Inhumans being reintroduced to the MCU, who would you keep? Who would you recast? How would you do it?

[@DendyJungle]

From a casting perspective, this cameo was perfect. MCU gets to dip its feet in the ocean without committing. People love the Kraz man? Great he was always gonna be mr fantastic. People aren’t really feeling him? That’s okay. He was only there as a variant.

[@bananahead4218]

I just don’t get having a spoiler warning when the thumbnail has John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic

[@zrb20012]

i don’t think i’ve ever disagreed with nando, he literally explained exactly how i thought about john playing this character

[@Wyrmshield]

As someone who knows nothing about the Fantastic 4 other than that they have bad luck with movies, I thought that the Reed from this movie was a pretty cool character. I liked how he really felt like someone who had been through so much already, like Nando was saying. Whereas a leader like Captain America is always so hopeful and bright, Reed looked and sounded like he was very tired, like someone who already knows the outcome will be bad but is trying to do the right thing regardless. I think that if they went back and made him a cocky nerd it would feel much less interesting.

[@idanzadok5347]

I have no idea who should play Reed in our main universe but I loved for a while the idea of bringing back Miles Teller as the Maker. Maybe make the movies some version of the Ultimate universe.

[@opinionatedWrestling]

I really don’t get why so many people are disappointed with this movie. Not everything needs to be the next Endgame or No Way Home. I quite like that it focussed on characters a bit more. The superhero multiverse backdrop was exactly where it should be in a movie: in the background. I think people are starting to forget that the reason we liked the marvel movies in the first place was because of the characters in them.

[@spentheplug]

Yea, I think it’s because everyone thought there was gonna be 100 cameos, I mean it would make sense for there to be a lot of cameos in the movie but still

[@nox9775]

It's because the movie was marketed and sold as if it was the next no way home or Endgame

[@cryingpsycho]

THANK YOU

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

I was always against the cameos in the 1st place but since this movie went ahead anyway, it could've at least flesh it out a bit. That said, Superior Iron Man Tom Cruise was always an unrealistic expectation.

[@reubenm.d.5218]

My issue with MoM is the *lack* of character stuff. Everything Scarlet Wotch was fun but Strange's development was... learning that he wasn't happy? And the 'believe in yourself and your powers will work' trope twice in a row? Please

[@gatorboy21king]

It took everything in me to not jump out of my seat when I saw him and thank Kevin Fiege to the heavens

[@siscokid61]

Finally someone who can appreciate the fact that he was a perfect Mr fantastic and not pick apart the whole movie!!!

[@silverjaguar6744]

@@siscokid61 Yeah, Krasinksi is absolutely perfect imo

[@anzhonnycastillo1731]

This is one fan casting I never understood. Even by looks alone, Krasinski never looked or felt like Reed to me. Great analysis on this!

[@zarinaa1135]

But what if Rainn Wilson, aka Dwight Schrute, ends up playing Reed in our universe? I can see it working. No! Better yet, he's Dr Doom in the Krasinski universe!

[@expiredsoup1496]

Tom Ellis is my perfect Reed Richards. I’ve never seen him play a nerd for a role (though I’ve not seen all his work), but watching his interviews it seems like something he could easily do. Lucifer in Lucifer reminds me a lot of Reed. Sure, he flirts a lot, but he has a lot of the other characteristics down. He’s focused on one main goal, doing what he thinks he should do, even if it goes entirely against what everyone else says, to complete that goal. He rubs almost everyone the wrong way in the beginning, but has grown more considerate and thoughtful. He’s also incredibly arrogant. Seeing as he is the devil, he believes that he can do whatever he wants, and often isn’t able to. If given the chance and the right script, I really believe Tom Ellis could be the best Reed Richards to date.

[@bigSpidermanfan]

Jimmy Woo is main universe variant.

[@Ronnoco_Den]

I wish it was about the Bruce Campbell cameo.

[@josephdonovan2123]

Captain midnight had a similar take, but he argued that the performance as a whole was wrong, and that we shouldn't see Krasinski again in the MCU. I agree much more with your take on this than I do his. I think he did a lot right, but I also understand how it might be a bit of a risk to put him in the role of a younger Reed.

[@smoogieboogie1694]

I'm glad you brought up that it's important that Reed was warm. People always just think of him as a cold and arrogant scientist when that's not really the case at all. His biggest mistakes come about *because* of his emotions and need to protect his family and others around him.

[@MF_Marzito]

I feel like we did not see enough from him but personally I really liked what we did see and hope he plays him in the future

[@juicyjugo6187]

2nd opinion: 838 Reed already has everything figured out, im confident were gonna get a 616 Reed origin story that sets all of it up, and hes such an amazing actor that i personally believe he will absolutely crush a younger more naïve reed Richards that has to learn from his mistakes, just like tony had to in age of ultron

[@MarkSoupial]

Dad Richards is such an important Reed

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

I think John LOOKS like a perfect Reed Richards, but his performance was wooden because he was literally told to recite lines to a camera! If he had actual people to interact with, I have no doubt he'd do an amazing job! We shouldn't judge him based on dumb covid movie filming procedures.

[@spittahfire1256]

Exactly, the reshoots were very late, he had little to no little to prepare for the role. Per say if he gotten to know the shoot of the movie earlier he would of been more invested in the character itself.

[@Omsmitten]

I feel like some of the things you talked about with Reed have actually been portrayed before by John Krasinski on the office. Although he's never played the type of dork who would be into science and statistics, there were many times on the office when Jim nerded out about Basketball history and sports and stuff, which can be nerdy. There were many times when one of Jim's pranks backfired and he ended up with egg on his face. Many times as well Jim's coworkers actually hated him or just really didn't like him. In the last few seasons of the show one of the characters, Meredith, actually talks on occasion about what she doesn't like about Jim.

[@Omsmitten]

@JRD Honestly I’ve only ever seen him as Jim Halpert, Reed Richards, and whoever his character was in A Quiet Place.

[@arthurbriand2175]

Is it confirmed he is going to be The Fantastic Four Reed Richard in the movie? I thought he was a variant, a cameo by a wanted star but not a definitive cast choice.

[@icedcapplord710]

None of the main Fantastic Four have been cast for the movie yet but honestly I would be shocked if Krasinski doesn't return. His casting here of all places seemed completely intentional to set expectations

[@luvcherry]

I think it was just a nod to the fancast and a fun cameo rather than definitively saying who will play the character on our earth, for such an iconic character I think a lesser known actor would be better so we don't really associate them with other roles

[@icedcapplord710]

@@luvcherry What I can see them doing is keeping Krasinski as Reed, but the rest of the Four are played by fresh faces. I think the idea that the team is essentially a family with a public celebrity status lends well to having Reed, the face of the group being played by an established veteran, while Johnny, Ben and Sue are all younger blood to give Reed that edge as a father figure

[@TomsThoughtsonThings]

@@icedcapplord710 by the time they actually film the f4 movie, john krasinski would be 45, minimum. even aside from his inability to out-act a wilting houseplant, there's a reason they cast him as old reed: he's too old to play the main version of the character

[@PenitusVox]

I don't think it's entirely right that he's never played a nerd. Jim from The Office is definitely one of the 'cooler' people in that office full of weirdos but he's 100% a nerd. His dorky qualities are a large part of why Pam likes him, as opposed to her previous more jock-y boyfriend. That said, I totally agree with everything else.

[@batcatpenguin3883]

It was Kevin F’s way of saying “Nope, let the experts cast”

[@HarryMess]

I'm really hoping for Glenn Howerton personally. He could really capture Reed's ego, and his obsession with science and new discoveries.

[@VictoryArtz]

While I completely disagree with your thoughts on Krasinski as Reed, I see honestly see Reed. I see a man who loves his family more than anything but he's too reserved, quiet and cold.

[@Wico90YT]

It's fine if they all skew older, but I really don't want a 20 year age difference between Sue and Johnny. So I'm afraid they're going to all be aged up and not have that same interaction with Parker. Beardless John can definitely still pass for mid 30s though. Telling the bulk of their story during the Snap could help a lot.

[@macmcleod1188]

Don't see a problem witn a young sue and Johnny and an older reed Richards. One of the happiest couples I know had a 15 year age difference. And he was 22 when they married 30 years ago.

[@davidlim402]

The best thing ever would be if Dwight ends up being our Mr. Fantastic

[@ryanatkinson9622]

The assistant to the mr fantastic

[@Chuck_EL]

He actually looks more like a Reed Richards

[@v.v365]

As a person with adhd, I’m advocating for the MCU’s Reed Richards to have adhd. Make him hyper focus on a project and neglect his health and relationships sometimes, only for Sue Storm to lay a hand on his shoulder and bring him back to reality. Have him be impulsive, have him fidget with stuff on his desk, show him masking when he’s spiraling because of his intense fear of rejection and failure but pushing ahead in spite of it because he’s still brave. Have his only friend in college be Ben Grimm because he has trouble maintaining relationships, and Ben’s the only one who’s willing to stick around because he too finds relationships hard at times. Give us some canonical adhd representation in the MCU!

[@jayantnahata6995]

So in essence... You're looking for a Tony Stark

[@carloscarballo2614]

I read at most two comics of the fantastic four, I clarify that before starting. I saw dr strange, and I saw this version of mr fantastic. and as a character I absolutely bought him, I think the actor proved to be a bit of a nerd in the oficce, but I never saw him as a don juan, his personality doesn't let him, and in this movie, I saw the face of a character that doesn't tremble when it comes to making tough decisions but at the same time feeling the emotional pain, Krasinski gave all that intensity in just two scenes. I think that in a movie where there are four main characters, plus the villain, he would shine as an actor too. but only with that face would he be a pillar as a leader. It's all in the eyes I think.

[@conorowens8382]

What in getting from this is that Fitz in Agents of Shield is basically the best version of Reed Richards. He's a nerdy, likable guy that initially comes across as harmless, but secretly knows he's the smartest guy in the room and that gives him an ego. He's willing to do morally grey things sometimes and ignores advice from others in order to get the job done. He's also the most interesting character on the show, and similar to Reed in the comics, he's had mental breakdowns in the past and we've even seen other timelines where he goes evil, just like Reed Richards.

[@sanderager]

Would be fun to see you recast iconic roles in the MCU! Like who except for Kieran Culkin would play a new Loki?

[@worldsworstartist]

I wanna see John's 'maker' more than his actual reed

[@VictoryReviews]

John Krasinski is prolly getting the job BUT Glen Howerton (Dennis from Always Sunny) WOULD BE PERFECT

[@keitht8022]

I think if he does come back to be mcu Mr. Fantastic, they're gonna set him up to function sorta like Kang in this universe. We saw He Who Remains at the end of Loki and he was all hokey and manic and I think when we se Kang he'll be the cold conqueror type and it'll be a 180 for us. I think Reed will be the same way. He's warm and comforting here and then when we see ours he's got that arrogance about him. That'd be cool I think. Idk, I trust him. I think that he's wanted a comic role for so long that he'll put the work in to make it solid.

[@nickcrouch1258]

I think for Reed to work you need to think away from the comics. The character traits youve described have been seen too much in Tony Stark, Dr Strange and Cptn Marvel. The empathy Krasinski brings is a breathe if fresh air. He can still make the tough desicions but Krasinski will bring the weight of it in his performance. Plus he can bring that distant thoughtfulness as he tries to think through every problem to fix everything- because its clear he cares

[@bryanalexismoya397]

This sounds like those people that won't give you the job because you need a 100 years experience yet you just got out of college.

[@davidthirugnanakumar7888]

Well go 🤣 having experience then apply for the job

[@MorKmbt]

It feels like people are a little too eager to knock what is essentially a cameo when the guy has proven himself a capable actor time and again

[@yuchiachen3075]

It'll be like if Chris Evans plays Tony Stark. I know he'll try his best, but it just won't feel right.

[@epicbruhmoment6985]

I don't know if Krasinski is gonna play Reed, but I think he's definetly gonna direct the fantastic 4 movie. It just makes so sense, a quiet place is a very family driven movie that perfectly aligns with what people would want in it, so it's like an audition to direct fantastic 4 and now that he's involved in the mcu the director of fantastic 4 has coincidentally stepped away.

[@capedbaldy6404]

I like how you mention that there will be spoilers when the biggest spoiler is already in the thumbnail and title.

[@DurtyDan]

I dunno. my ideal Mr.Fantasic is a 60s style, straight-laced, clean shaven, stick-in-the-mud type of character. Like, he's literally the most flexible man in the world but he's also super uptight.

[@froteet]

Gotta say as soon as I saw him I said "oh man..." and then I saw him die and said "ok but maybe 616 will be a different actor"

[@poggerz6567]

You don't like it? I think he's great. And i still want him as the main reed

[@DiamandaHagan]

Ironically a young Ted Raimi would be a great Reed.

[@TheDramaJosh]

As much as I fully agree with everything you’re saying here, and as much as I LOVE the idea of William Jackson Harper as Reed for future films with a burning passion, I feel like Marvel can’t go back now. Mr Fantastisinski is the most requested/fan casted pairing out there, and if they go and change it after giving the crowd a taste, there will be riots and the new actor will be under so much fire. Whatever happens, I trust Sarah Finn will make the right call for the films and the universe as a whole. Whether it be someone else getting the role, or us finding out Krasinski’s got a bit more range to him.

[@davidbjacobs3598]

Honestly, I think some people would be upset but most would be fine with it (or at least would be fine with it after seeing the movie). Even in the wake of Multiverse of Madness, I've seen a lot of the Krasinski stans going, "Yeah that was awesome, thanks for that, now I kinda hope they cast someone else in the F4 movie." It's pretty rare for these movies to actually stick with the popular fan-casting. Makes sense for a cameo, but I think people are used to their fan-castings not panning out. I'd fan-cast Charlize Theron as Enchantress ages ago, and look where that got me!

[@dylansharp8471]

@@davidbjacobs3598 "I'd fan-cast Charlize Theron as Enchantress ages ago, and look where that got me" Where exactly?

[@deproissant]

I'm not that deep into the comics lore, so can someone explain how Reed Richards is different than RDJ's Tony Stark? Seems like Nando is just describing Stark without the snarky one-liners.

[@nerovondoom6298]

Reed is smarter but not as out going as Stark. He introverted and almost obsessively driven for science. Then his family once Reed and Sue have kids. Reed isnt about looking smarter than everyone. Humble to a point with a general interest of what is right. The mcu just generalized most the super scientists as stark like.

[@georgejoseph1852]

I mean, you’re not a million miles off. I think the biggest differences is: Reed Richards is intensely introverted; so intelligent that he finds it difficult to relate (or even talk) to people; he’s much less a cool dude than he is a fairly beaten down nerd (even after getting rubber powers and a hot wife). He’s also more of a “master of all fields” than Tony Stark. I guess you could say RDJ’s Tony Stark is an engineer, and Reed Richards is a scientist, both geniuses with different approaches - although this is variable based on the comic appearance. In the Ultimate Universe, Reed Richards eventually turns into a villain, which is a lot of fun.

[@yolkomodo]

I never saw John Krazinski as Reed Richards and even kinda smiled when Wanda made string cheese

[@poggerz6567]

Why, may i ask?

[@elliottburns2522]

As someone who loves the Fantastic Four, I definitely see your point and respect your perspective on this. However, I think you're too focused on specific parts of the character. Yes Reed is nerdy and flawed, but he also is the quarterback of a superhero team. And regardless of if they start out early in his career, Reed was always a family man. He was a brother to Ben, a mentor to Johnny and a husband to Sue. Just because he doesn't have kids yet doesn't mean the family man qualities Krasinski has go to waste. I think you're putting too much importance on how Krasinski acts in real life and the roles he's done before. Just because he hasn't played a smart character before doesn't mean he can't. I agree he hasn't played exactly Reed before, but he would excel in the leadership and family roles MCU Reed would require. Because honestly, I think we have to be realistic and make peace with the fact that MCU Reed is not going to be portrayed as unlikable. That's just not how the MCU operates with its leading men, and although I think its something I would want for the character, I would guess they're going to lean into the family angle as quickly as possible. And thats what Krasinski would excel at.

[@silverjaguar6744]

Chris Evans always played the exact opposite character as Cap in all the movies I've seen of him, yet he was a great cap. Hemsworth hardly did any movies, and wasn't impressive in the ones he did make. Yet he is still a great Thor. Krasinski is an actor, actors act. He knows how Reed is, and I'm sure he knows how to pull that off. Also most of the stuff he mentions aren't on the actor, but the script. How is Krasinski supposed to play someone obsessed with science in 2 minutes and like 6 lines?

[@merlith4650]

Most actors could play a family man though. I don't see Krasinski having a notable talent in portraying a family man. I'd rather just have different actor who can do both and is believable in the role. And Krasinski just.. doesn't look the part. I can't see him as Mr Fantastic, even in the suit I didn't buy him as Reeds. It just looks odd having this strong, bearded guy built like a bear portray a character who is usually supposed to be this clean shaved skinny guy with slick hair, and whose superpower is being flexible and stretchy. Stretchy superpowers are already hard to pull off in live action without looking goofy or silly, having the powers portrayed by a large man makes it even worse, as it's just easier for the brain to accept a skinny guy to be elastic. It's like portraying the hammerswinging thor as a guy with twigs for arms, it just wouldn't work for the character. I still believe this to be one of the dumber fancastings, especially when one of the arguments was literally just the fact that "he has an actor wife in real life who could play Sue".

[@findfefito]

Nando wants fckng Wlliam Jackson Harper to play Reed, don't take him seriously lol with a d1ab0lic4l fancast as this as his top choice, he have no credibility

[@Chuck_EL]

That's not Nando's issue he mentioned it "If there wasn't all of these photoshopped John Kransiski of Reed Richards all over KZbin (Mandela effect) would anyone have him casted as him?" Thats my issue John did ok but the swarms of "He HAS to Reed" got annoying Have we not learned from fancasting in the past Think about it would there have been any Brian Cranston fancasting as Lex Luthor if he wasn't bald as Walter White? It's not healthy to be that fixated on a person playing a comic character Heath Ledger took his life over that...we gotta be better people

[@donschamun273]

It seems like actors can play the All-American Jack Ryan and then go on to play characters not quite so Tom Clancy. Reed has always been a stud muffin super genius, BMOC from when America venerated engineers. And Marvel is only going to get one more try at making a decent FF movie so they need some Name actors in the roles.

[@Keizi]

I’m waiting so patiently for this wolverine video and NANDO DROPS THIS BANGER!!

[@IcyDiamond]

Bryce Dallas Howard is rumored to be playing Sue Storm and to direct the movie

[@fountainofsolace]

Lol...Bruce...

[@IcyDiamond]

@@fountainofsolace Thanks lol

[@silverjaguar6744]

I believe she is rumoured to play a part in the movie and direct as well. I don't think the rumoured part is Sue though, I believe it was Ben's wife she is supposed to play according to the rumours

[@IcyDiamond]

@@silverjaguar6744 Ah I see

[@cameronhodgetts920]

Here's my take: Krasinski is a great actor. The problem he faced is a problem that a lot of Marvel productions are facing these days, and that is the fact that he was facing a blank screen. He had nobody to act with or play off. You can't expect an actor to do their best work if they're just surrounded by nothingness. Actors need sets and coworkers. But for the sake of maintaining secrecy and surprise, Marvel Studios are sacrificing art. I think Krasinski could have been great if he were actually in a room talking to Benedict or Elizabeth.

[@sagnikdev5378]

Honestly the Black bolt suit is really awesome...that suit speaks out power...