F1 2020 Mercedes W11 vs Ferrari F2004 with Slick Tyres - NORDSCHLEIFE (Clash of the Titans)

Right here is what you call a clash of the titans. What car will win this 1 lap sprint around the Nordschleife as the Mercedes W11 faces off against the Ferrari F2004 with slicks tyres!
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[@sidharthtirkey44]

The fact that James Allison was at Ferrari in 2004 and is still at Mercedes just tells how talented that guy is....

[@adityawardanasujaya]

wasn’t it rory byrne the chief designer? allison is good but he made two bad cars, the f14t and w13

[@seven1302]

@@adityawardanasujaya w13 a bad car? Wtf are u saying

[@adityawardanasujaya]

@@seven1302 w13 is too sensitive in setups, too draggy and behave differently on each track. For example on one track it looks quick, only 2/4 tenths off and on another track they were 1 sec off the pace. Not to mention the porpoising issue from the first half of the season.

[@seven1302]

@@adityawardanasujaya yeah, putting that way i don't have much to defend the w13

[@Whelo369]

Still not f14t bad tho

[@dutchthespitfire3204]

W11: zoooommmmm zoommmm F2004: wweeeee wwwwweeeeeeee

[@grantmiller6570]

The 2004 Ferrari, when F1 cars sounded like F1 cars should.

[@paulallaker8450]

Just shows how heavy and cumbersome the modern F1 cars have become, the F2004 is just so light weight and changes direction like a fly! Top video. 👍

[@izumiculture4030]

Go an watch actual pole lap comparison, the W11 is much faster than the F2004.

[@ventzp2133]

@@izumiculture4030 The point of the video was to show what the F2004 would be like with modern tyres. Much lighter, smaller and traction control.

[@izumiculture4030]

​@@ventzp2133 Non of those would put the F2004 all over the gearbox of the W11 never mind pull away from it, fun fact it would be the W11 all over the F2004 and pulling away This video is exaggerating what the F2004 could do, and people are believing this would be the case in real life.

[@robben896]

@@izumiculture4030 Slick tyres were available in 2004 just not the modern ers and stuff so that is what the video was showcasing and as you can if the f2004 had been using slick tyres it would be faster which makes you wonder why has F1 regressed in 17 years?

[@Smzxe]

​@@izumiculture4030 Monza 2004 lap only 0.8 sec slower than W11 And Williams BMW V10 F1 car was on Grooved tires so it's pretty much equal to w11 in lap times What if 2004 F1 car was on slicks it will cut off 2-3 seconds Meaning 2-3 seconds faster than W11 on Monza That Williams BMW V10 F1 car reached 362 kmph on Monza W11 only 330 km/h So not even close V10 F1 cars were so much faster than W11 In lower speed corners V10 F1 cars are always faster acceleration V10 wins much lighter W11 is only quicker on high speed corners

[@reds005]

I’d love to see a real F2004 with slicks driven at Qualy pace.

[@cjpert5286]

And with DRS 😂 Would smack Mach 10.3 with Tom Cruise in it

[@Mago.-]

It wouldnt be fair, even without drs. Buff the car up with drs, and overtake ers (if somehow we could add it to the car) and QUALY FUEL (people dont remember or know, that in early 2000s u had to start the race with whatever fuel u had in the tank after the qualy). Nevermind partymode, which was literally overclocking the engine.... ADD TURBO ON THAT SHIT, yeah it wouldnt be fair, neither pretty to watch.

[@SuperSocks7]

im not sure the setup here is quite right, because while the F2004 is an absolute beast, the W11 looks to be Ai driven, meaning poor dirving, buyt also a likely drop in raw power from improper energy deployment, and lack of DRS. that being said as so much of the nordschlife is flat out, i think the f2004 would still win, as it has a higher top speed in high downforce setup, but also the W11 isnt setup correctly, it appears to be carrying far too much downforce for the nordschlife, which i believe in modern F1 cars would be akin to a monza setup, making up the time on the straights. and as the current world record for fastest f1 lap ever (in terms of average top speed) belongs to the W11 at monza, there is proper cause that it should have won this race.

[@racer501_sb]

You just said the F2004 would still win but that the W11 shouldve won? W a t

[@polatcanvarol]

@@racer501_sb yess hes confusing

[@SuperSocks7]

@@racer501_sb f2004 would win with the current setup of both cars, if both were bing driven by identical players. However, if the w11 was setup properly for the track it would win easially

[@dexxrey1419]

@@SuperSocks7 u forgot tht the f2004 is on slicks :end of confusion

[@SuperSocks7]

@@dexxrey1419 didn’t forget f2004 is on slicks. Instead remembered that the W11 holds the record for fastest lap ever, and the mostly flat out nature of this track would give it said edge

[@akshayanil2403]

F2004 seems more aggressive

[@otrplayz9777]

Schumacher was more aggressive

[@iqs25]

@@otrplayz9777 yes but the mercedes looks ai driven

[@alessandroaloise3291]

It's shorter

[@source9264]

It weights 600kg, w11 900kg. So its responsive to steeringwheel

[@sigmablock]

Damn another lovely video, but one suggestion: try and make the W11 have unlimited ERS, and have it only set in Overtake mode. Just like most Formula Hybrid mods, ERS is gimped when tackling the Nordschleife unless you mod it to have unlimited ERS.

[@Nekrews51]

Yeah will look into it i know how to work some files but I'll get there :)

[@OwO-dw8ox]

@@Nekrews51 i can share you my modded w11 if u want, i added unlimited ERS, some floor downforce and party mode kek

[@ren_03]

Then also give the F2004 with Twin Turbo and Slicks, W11 won't even be close enough to beat it.

[@F1......fan.and.]

Well them ferrari will get that aswell then it will be fair and fast

[@craysheet3034]

@@ren_03 ERS is part of the engine for this F1 era. Twin turbos weren't in F2004 era. The point the original comment is making is not that the W11 runs out of battery charge for ERS, and thus we should give it unlimited battery capacity. The Hybrid turbo regulations restrict how much of ERS can be deployed per lap to up to 4MJ. Nordschleife is a very long lap and W11 reaches that limit relatively early into the lap, meaning that it is not allowed to deploy any more ERS even if the battery is at 100% charge. In this comparison, the F2004 has already had a slick tyre limit (which was a regulations restriction in that era) removed, so it would only make sense to remove the ERS limit restriction for the W11 and see what it can do.

[@xbwang87]

My god the F2004 just screams and also blisteringly fast

[@ibe9848]

that's some dangerous driving man

[@whitegp4449]

Oh my god it's like I'm looking through the camera of Michael Schumacher and Lewis Hamilton in real life, it's the first video I've ever seen and it's breathtaking, PLEASE KEEP UP THE CONTENT LIKE THIS, I'M GOING TO JOIN SO YOU CAN CONTINUE CREATING VIDEOS LIKE THIS, AND I WOULD LOVE A LONGER GAMEPLAY OF A GRAND PRIX...WITH THE F2004, MY RESPECTS AND TOTAL ADMIRATION FRIEND

[@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168]

Nordschlife is too narrow for F1 cars. The smaller and lighter cars with narrower tyres like the F2004 would work much better around there than the current cars. If it were at a cicuit like silverstone, it would be much closer and more representitive to decide which one is better.

[@fam.hunger5244]

Its pretty easy - slick tyres are 4-6 secs. faster than grooved tyres. Just reduce the laptimes of the F2004 by 5 secs. and you have the laptimes of that car with the same tyres. There are a lot of tracks today with the same layout than in 2004 where comparisons can be made. For Silverstone- the F2004 on slicks would have driven a laptime of 1:13 on slicks. The W11 did a laptime of 1:27....its a difference of 14 secs. The track today is 700m longer than 2004 with a different layout, the difference is said to be about 10-11 secs. So the F2004 would probably havr still been 3 secs. faster. But for Silverstone its pretty hard to do because of the changes. But many other tracks are basically the same. I did such a comparison a few years ago. The F2004 on slicks would have been slower on 2 of 3 tracks, but on the majority of the tracks it would have been faster.

[@mariasechi8537]

😆

[@dragonkrieg4444]

@@fam.hunger5244 the problem with that logic is if you're going to give the F2004 slick tires (which were illegal) then you get into the gray zone of giving the W11 something that was illegal in 2020, and theres 8973248327 things you could choose, and even that still doesn't change the fact that your "fastest f1 car of all time" is actually illegal.

[@alewin2254]

@@fam.hunger5244 silverstone in 2004 is different than nowdays actual turn 1 was a chicane going left and it get back at actual turn 6

[@jjsjkaks]

​@@dragonkrieg4444 V10>>>Vtrucks

[@jayneswinnerton8812]

The difference between the two cars is that the 2004* car was harder to drive whereas the Mercedes was more focussed on grip *this was edited

[@thulareyt23]

2004*

[@Knight_StalkeR_x007]

Its debatable only if the 2004 car has Grooved tyres instead of slicks... But the major difference btw them is weight of the car (F2004 weighs 600kg and has 800-850hp literally 95% of the time whereas W11 weighs 780kg and has 950-1000hp only when the battery is full otherwise W11 has 750-800hp)

[@israeljoao5532]

The 2004 car was much easier to drive, totally on the tracks, like the Mercedes, but it had traction control, brake control and all the assists, to say that today's formula 1 is easier, it's a fucking lie

[@ismaelsierra3757]

@@israeljoao5532 exactly lmao, he must have not done the research before saying the w11 is an easier car, the f2004 literally has TC, but it does not have ABS while the w11 has none of those assists.

[@TaikaJamppa]

@@ismaelsierra3757 And I have driven all this time without any driving assists in the games featuring both… 🤣 I admit, both are nice to drive, but I prefer the F2004 because, I don’t know, I like red! Seriously though, I do prefer NA V10 > anything else anytime.

[@ruvmusicandclips]

What an amazing video, truly.

[@MrChmielu11]

i love the fact that you can only hear f2004 when they are going side by side. beautiful sound

[@FloVeninski]

F2004 the best f1 ever !

[@radekszafran1896]

the video quality is unbelievable

[@facundootero7973]

The F2004 is only on slicks, but it has the Corse Clienti setup (less power)

[@jamesavent3228]

Good comparison. Just a note, remember the W11 looked as if it was being AI driving. And maybe not a setup.

[@f1-cvlltnichtich699]

POV: this in realife

[@vectro4284]

🤔

[@Ferrari48a]

I dont think Ferrari and Mercedes Will give u the car

[@krick_mufc9291]

The w11 driven by a real driver with drs/ers enabled and proper set up would be a much more interesting race

[@Dharshanth.k]

As an Automotive Engineer, I can give some professional opinions on this as to why the W11 is not as good as the Ferrari F2004: This is the comparison between the Mercedes W11 vs Ferrari F2004 in the Nürburgring. 3 main reasons as to why the F2004 is superior to the Mercedes W11 1. The main reason as to why the W11 did not win this is because of the Energy Recovery. It can only sustain so little, giving its full 160bhp to the engine. But once it is depleted and waiting for the engine and the brakes to power the battery up, it will lose precious time to the Ferrari F2004. 2. The dry and wet weight of the W11 is far greater then the F2004 746kg vs 605kg (141Kg deficit) win to the F2004 F2004 141kg Advantage 3. Engine power F2004 vs W11 920 bhp vs (1025 bhp - 160bhp) = 825kg F2004 95bhp advantage

[@vectro4284]

@@Dharshanth.k To keep it simple: it’s ai-driven.

[@Dharshanth.k]

@@vectro4284 it may have been an ai. But in real life, with the F2004 being on slicks, it would definitely win the race without a doubt 🤷‍♂️

[@vectro4284]

@@Dharshanth.k It really depends on the track. On Monza the F2004 would own the W11. On Monaco for example it’s the opposite. I think Nordschleife is a bit in the middle of those 2 with probably a slight advantage for the W11 because it has way more downforce. On the straights it wouldn’t be able to keep up (even with DRS) because of said downforce.

[@Thraser999]

@@Dharshanth.k The Ferrari F2004 NEVER, EVER had 900hp, let alone 920hp, but closer to 860-870hp, quite on par with the W11 without the ERS, so the power to weight ratio (while still in favor of the F2004) is not that detrimental to the W11. Rubber tech (assuming the F2004 ran back then with slicks) is far superior nowdays, not to mention the W11 used far wider rubber than the cars up to 2016, including the grooved tyre period. And don't even get me started on downforce, suspension, steering and all that stuff...

[@xBaphometHx]

What mods are you using for the graphics? Sol and a combination of others?

[@tayacancanocano]

And now pls try this again but the F2004 on their regular tyres

[@John14710]

Never doubted it

[@lorenzohardonk1614]

Best video ever

[@wdowa94]

Look at the size difference. W11 looks just like starship compared to simple and nible F2004

[@187Blondie]

I love how it showed the modern TV graphics for the W11 & the classic one for the Ferrari

[@formularguments7335]

Next challenge is to do the W11 with a V10 I think

[@simplymako]

Yo man so good graphics What tipe of graphics mod are you using?

[@william1173]

when will you release the reshade video?

[@DannyUSA1]

W11: Come on son F2004: Ok Dad

[@aimanfitri0iv]

both are underrated since introduction

[@BMW_M3_GTR57]

havent watcged yet, seems luke a good title fight to me

[@soniaellis4577]

It's a hard track I hit the wall twice and I was getting a bit of wrist ache with all the turns but great fun.

[@845_Mk6]

Also how do u get the shiny steering wheel and tires on the w11

[@ju1cyjon3s31]

I really wish that modern cars weren't so bloody heavy so theyd be the undisputed best

[@adamrakhadifa6933]

They were so heavy for safety reason and also because of hybrid system

[@giuseppedicori3616]

F2004 Monster...

[@Wilmerx206]

Ferrari need to take the f2004 with slicka around this track

[@fsdkonjab]

Where did you get the Mercedes mod?

[@theangel1269]

No way, no chance for the Mercedes w11!

[@Dharshanth.k]

As an Automotive Engineer, I can give some professional opinions on this as to why the W11 is not as good as the Ferrari F2004: This is the comparison between the Mercedes W11 vs Ferrari F2004 in the Nürburgring. 3 main reasons as to why the F2004 is superior to the Mercedes W11 1. The main reason as to why the W11 did not win this is because of the Energy Recovery. It can only sustain so little, giving its full 160bhp to the engine. But once it is depleted and waiting for the engine and the brakes to power the battery up, it will lose precious time to the Ferrari F2004. 2. The dry and wet weight of the W11 is far greater then the F2004 746kg vs 605kg (141Kg deficit) win to the F2004 F2004 141kg Advantage 3. Engine power F2004 vs W11 920 bhp vs (1025 bhp - 160bhp) = 825kg F2004 95bhp advantage

[@Andre-yg2mk]

Insane 12 Zylinder!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@danieldm6194]

Id love to see this on real life. Both cars would have to deal with bumps, but the ferrari might be the more suitable machine here.. the merc has updated aero but weight and battery depletion might hurt its pace. Also red pirellis would overheat in no time, compromising grip. On the other hand the ferrari is lighter and has no power penalty on starving batteries, it can use full power for the whole lap, give it bridgestone slicks and it could push for the whole lap. Not bad for a 19 year old car

[@ThePointlessBox_]

at the start of the race it was like that meme of Mr Bean trying to get by the old lady on the stairs

[@Jovens06]

Do a fast lap with both cars, find the best setup for both and then let's check those times

[@Thraser999]

W11 gets away with it, apart from power/weight ratio and drag, is superior in everything, even the slicks it uses compared to this modded F2004 (it uses the narrow 2010-2016 ones) are wider. The difference would be way smaller than if the F2004 used grooved tyres, but still the W11 would lap faster. People romanticize the past too much...

[@surve2005]

jesus that ferrari is fast

[@adolfoustarez]

Would do anything to go back to the V10 days 😢

[@ronsun297]

He stopped him for 40 seconds, there are still 10 seconds more in there, with drs still fast, vrooooom

[@r.a.6459]

M. Schumacher Ferrari 'B' (Bridgestone) It should be: M. Schumacher Ferrari 'P' (Pirelli Slicks)

[@Aubergineman19]

All we need now is a senna mclaren and then the legends are assembled

[@iqs25]

Putting slicks on the f2004 is unfair, if we're messing with the regulations give w11 the v10 and take away the huge fuel tank and put in a lighter one. Plus the w11 is carrying too much downforce

[@westVanity93]

And has DAS

[@xBaphometHx]

And give the W11 traction control like 2004 Ferrari.

[@pendremacherald6758]

What was the safety car’s lap time?

[@Max-cg5fp]

Since it's an Aston Martin it has either retired after 400 meters or is still on the first lap, we don't quite know.

[@mbon071]

The F2004 F2005 car even with slotted tires, scary faster than the hybrids now. Looked & sounds better wtf. I’m only 26 yr old so it’s not an age thing and bring back the grid girls and let the teams build the car they want. F**king 🖕lawyers / FIA are killing F1

[@Dharshanth.k]

As an Automotive Engineer, I can give some professional opinions on this as to why the W11 is not as good as the Ferrari F2004: This is the comparison between the Mercedes W11 vs Ferrari F2004 in the Nurbugring. 3 main reasons as to why the F2004 is superior to the Mercedes W11 1. The main reason as to why the W11 did not win this is because of the Energy Recovery. It can only sustain so little, giving its full 160bhp to the engine. But once it is depleted and waiting for the engine and the brakes to power the battery up, it will lose precious time to the Ferrari F2004. 2. The dry and wet weight of the W11 is far greater then the F2004 746kg vs 605kg (141Kg deficit) win to the F2004 F2004 141kg Advantage 3. Engine power F2004 vs W11 920 bhp vs (1025 bhp - 160bhp) = 825kg F2004 95bhp advantage

[@xBaphometHx]

And also driving the 2004 with slick tyres gives it extra grip that did not have with groooved tyres. And the 2004 car had traction control as well.

[@sebger8477]

Everybody who ever heard this V10 in real is blessed like I don’t know! It’s just a big Orchester with power and love 😂 the new ones. I don’t know, it no real

[@BlueCollar80]

If F1 held race again in nordshleife, how much lap it would be?

[@user-wv5kz9gr9g]

Да, 15,5 секунд - это пропасть.

[@expiredwater4118]

It's absolutely amazing... How unrealistic this is.

[@needmoreboost6369]

Looks realistic but all the same like it’s in slow motion lol compared with an srt x type on gt6 and sub 4 minute laps

[@user-bi8iu9lx7m]

Imagine how powerful the f2004 will be with more gears

[@jello1174]

It would be the same albeit some better acceleration with 8 gears

[@rachidsennalps]

f2004 the best

[@1010thechamp]

Never could I envisage in 2004 F1 would be going backwards even since that year, by that year and these F1 cars were monsters, in a straight line acceleration they would outright murder 2022 MotoGP bikes or something like a Rimac Nevera, on a track with slicks nothing ever since that's existed in 20 years would come close to it imagine with the technology now and 2004 regulations what these cars could achieve...

[@Max-cg5fp]

Modern F1 cars can still outrun MotoGP bikes by a few tenths of a second in acceleration while the lap times are of course a whole lot faster. If you compare actual lap times, today's cars beat the 2004 ones by about one second per lap, depending on the circuit. A Rimac Nevera though would probably outrun both of them.

[@GG-bi2jz]

V10💪💪💪

[@allisonebr]

Ferrari F2004's a bloody beast

[@Yume_Sama713]

i think this can be better with f2004 without new tyres

[@ernestomorales2487]

F2004 won by demolition! That's real f1

[@martindelrio1891]

the ferrari would have been another 3 seconds or so faster if he was not blocked by the mercedes at the beginning of the lap.

[@845_Mk6]

I feel this w11 mod isn’t realistic I used the w09 mod and got faster lap times then the w11 and also that f2004 with slicks is to fast I usually run 12-15 kilo ballast to add a bit of weight to slow it down

[@andycano5756]

Lewis Blackelton shouldn't have held up Schumacher early.

[@jackfalls1722]

ohhh no no no now that's just evil common!!!🤭, cant be doing things like holding up Snowhiter........ he's in a wheel chair lol not going anywhere fast.... besides the FIA will just step in and send out another LaTHIEFi for the end of the lap........... CRASH BANG WOLLOP!!!💣💥💣💥

[@tylerplayzz8697]

This version of the W11 is capable of 4:55 and possibly faster, I got a 4:55 myself

[@DatBoiGloomy]

people just wanna praise the ferrari. The w11 would smoke anything around this track

[@mach5zx10r]

I didn’t study it closely but the driver of the Ferrari in this game just seems to be in another league. Am I missing something?

[@12ichie]

Filter?

[@alihasan6896]

f2004 is a rocket down the straights

[@attila7276]

Forza Michael Schumacher! 👍👍👍❤️

[@divinitygaming8673]

what's wrong with the sound ? the v10 doesnt sound anything like that xd

[@antoniocavallo3967]

The W11 may be the fastest car in the corners, but on the straight the f2004 destroys the w11

[@truehunger108]

This isn't a fair fight, the f2004 weighs around 200+ kgs lighter, with the only limitations being the tyres. The W11 is built for downforce but also excessively built for safety.

[@marioluizandradecosta3241]

A cara from F1 x a Bus ( W11) ?

[@DatBoiGloomy]

i hate to be that buy but the w11 would pull away in corners pretty easily lmao. The ferrari is faster on the straights tho

[@Vartazian360]

The world was a much better place in 2004. no social media was really even around yet. Screaming F1 cars without stupid regulations. No Woke bs. No snowflakes. Just life.

[@hayden5880]

This is just incredibly wrong. The W11 grip around Nordischliefe would essentially mean it could take almost every corner without braking, like Pouhon at Spa. Even with the high downforce set up, the Merc’s top speed is the same as the F2004. Plus the wider wheelbase of the Mercedes, and the Ferrari’s lack of downforce, the Merc would absolutely cane the Ferrari through this track.

[@KD10Conqueror]

Well, the ferrari's lower weight would make up for it.

[@hayden5880]

@@KD10ConquerorMerc’s higher power and downforce cancels any weight advantage out.

[@EmptyCheetosBag]

@@hayden5880 ERS tax

[@KingofFray]

That Ferrari is using Pirelli, not Brigdestone

[@Z3r0Ultima]

ive never seen the w11 struggle to hit 300kmh why is it struggling to reach that on this track

[@alvinchan4052]

The w11 doesnt even stand a chance!!

[@TineFangaming]

How about Red Bull?

[@deakksyy]

The W11 is definitely AI. But it will be close still

[@TaikaJamppa]

Am I seeing things, or is that Merc just huge compared to the Ferrari? 😂

[@regnoditalia2014]

I can hear Hamilton fans crying in the background

[@LuizHenrique-rq2dv]

Rapaz até acho q a f2004 pode ganhar, mas essa diferença no jogo tá exagerada, queria ver na vida real como seria , W11 era muito veloz principalmente nas curvas tanto q o record de spa é do W11

[@SamucaDszdm]

Boa, F2004! Mostre que você é uma Ferrari linda, veloz e elegante e que vai botar os hamilzetes mercedolas pra chorar na cama!

[@thehorizonracer9420]

In a track like Monaco the W11 would win

[@racer501_sb]

I mean, the F2004 has a shorter wheel base, thus better turning angle and corner speed, not sure who would win, but the ol fella would still have a chance

[@thehorizonracer9420]

@@racer501_sb I don't think so

[@KD10Conqueror]

@@thehorizonracer9420 well, if we talk about laptime, the f2004 has a chance.

[@vitortardivo8639]

W11 faster F2004 in real life

[@KD10Conqueror]

Please write english first.

[@honey_badger2931]

Do a proper video with you driving both the car’s,one at a time obviously

[@sthefanys.chan.8449]

Kkkkkkkkkkkk a v10 engolio o turbao kkkkkkk

[@HateToSayThisBut]

lol what

[@barry-clark]

Without getting into which one is faster, neither would be 15 seconds down on the other one.

[@fifa22isshite90]

Very unrealistic. The 2004 cars lacked alo of downforce compared to the 2020 cars, even with slicks i wouldnt make up the multiple seconds away they are from the 2020 w11. But hey ho nostalgia bias hits different right?

[@S100FAN]

But in reality the W11 would shit all over the F2004

[@robben896]

Slicks.

[@voldanmalak]

W11 should have won. It beat the F2004 around Monza by 3 seconds. Something isn’t right here.

[@sirdetmist3204]

Slicks.

[@kevvynolan8753]

Who's the greatest 7 time champion in F1.... nuff said

[@KD10Conqueror]

Michael Schumacher, of course.

[@exiles299]

they're both great, there I said it

[@andycano5756]

That was Lewis Blackerton holding up the ghost of Schumacher.