New Laguna Lathe

So after all the aggravation, I went back to a Laguna. This channel is quickly turning into a "all the ways you can buy a defective lathe" channel. It is just where I am right now. Thank you Woodcraft (Clearwater, FL) for your kindness.

[@carolriley569]

I have that same Laguna 1836 and I love it. Woodcraft delivered it and set it up in my basement about 6 weeks ago. I couldn't use it until 3 weeks later because I had a broken arm. I am so satisfied with my new lathe and really enjoy using it!

[@markbrown1011]

Thank you Kim, I have been considering a grisly lathe.

[@jimbembinster]

Thanks for sharing this experience. I was considering a Grizzly lathe, but no more.

[@mkivy]

I’m sorry for your troubles...nothing worse. U will prevail. Thank you for sharing...

[@aaroncarey7209]

ive looked at several grizzly tools in the last few years. ive found reason to go with another brand everytime. i think after this video, i will never even consider another grizzly tool. BTW im planning on ordering a 18/36 the next time they are on sale, or when my patience wears out, whichever comes first! thanks for your story - Fresh Air Woodshop - Kansas

[@StephensPenTurnings]

My take on your trials and tribulations: Regardless of the difficulties you've had...5 lathes? you are still a wood turner. That speaks volumes of what you believe in. Your work is outstanding and your commentary is just what is needed for beginners and accomplished alike. I watch all you gals/guys mainly for what goes wrong and how to overcome it. And tool usage of course. Keep on turning.

[@KimTippin]

Thank you, Steve

[@johnpbh]

Wow... what a saga. I'm now going onto the next chapter.... ( Soon I will be watching your woodturning videos but the saga is almost as good as Game of Thrones - A bummer for you but, believe me, I am cheering at this end as I get to each 'High" )

[@KimTippin]

lol Thank you 🤗🤗

[@edmorse3529]

Thank you your honest review. I was leaning towards the Laguna but now watching your video I will now look at the Jet lathe

[@KimTippin]

Thank you, Ed 🤗🤗

[@j.r.hutchinson1897]

Tell Jason to buy you a bug zapper! I'm glad you are getting it all situated! I look forward to seeing your creations.

[@KimTippin]

I sure do need one! Thanks JR!

[@nicko5945]

Good luck with the Laguna! I hope it performs better than mine and your previous Laguna.

[@nicko5945]

Also just quick FYI. The cam locks on mine needed a lot of adjustment too. The trick with mine was extremely small adjustments. I checked in between each turn and each turn was only about 1/8 of a turn. Took close to an hour but it’s perfect now. Also my spindle looks exactly like yours but it actually hasn’t translated into the piece yet. I have an easywood chuck and it still looks wobbly exactly like your nova but you should be all good to go there, knock on wood!

[@back-corner-turnings]

I have one thought on the wobble and two on your new hollower catching so violently. On your wobble, are you centering the jaws before tightening them on the Chuck. Screw the jaw screws in so they just barely seat. Then close the jaws all the way. There is usually a little wiggle room. Once the jaws are even tighten the screws. On the hollower, as with any scraper, make sure you are above the center line. If you are then maybe a less aggressive cut. Especially on smaller vessels like the one mounted on the lathe. The tool may be dropping out of the wood on a catch just to end up digging into the wood below the center. Hopefully this was of some help. If not to you then maybe someone else. In the meantime I’ll be rooting for you to get a satisfactory outcome to this whole mess.

[@markstinsonvesselco.6617]

I've had the Laguna 18/36 for two years. I think, for the price, it is a good value. It quickly has paid itself off, however, I have had similar issues. My banjo work perfect for a year and a half, then I began to have the same issues with the locking lever. Made the same adjustments to the nut that you and your husband tried, and I had the exact same experience. I think the casting is cheep, as I can see flexing in the banjo body, and the locking collar was worn out. After a week of arguing with the CS rep that the issue was not a nut adjustment issue, I finally was able to purchase a new banjo. If I we going to keep this lathe long term, I would upgrade the banjo to a Oneway banjo.

[@TheMonkdad]

I think their catch phrase is “You’ll always regret messing with a Grizzly”.

[@willbruce3]

Wow. I didn't realize she was so pretty. Also, I love your work. Your channel is one of the ones I watch on a daily basis.

[@KimTippin]

Thank you 😊

[@willbruce3]

You're very welcome. Keep making videos, because I love watching your visions come to fruition.

[@PohlBarnProductions]

I have that exact same SuperNova chuck and it wobbled since I put it on the old lathe, only difference is I had to put an adapter in it for both lathes, 2 adapters UGH, I also have the nova 30th addition that actually fits my Nova and it doesn't wobble at all, I purchased the supernova off of Amazon Too. I found it never is smooth once you turn it. I try to always mark #1 before I flip it to try and get close to where I was when I put it back on.

[@KimTippin]

I have both of those chucks. My super Nove fits directly on the spindle. It seems it is where my wobble is severe. I got a dial indicator and not getting run out with the spindle. I am debating sending it back to exchange for another and see if it is a defect in the chuck. I can visually see the chuck wobble and it is worse when something is mounted to it. I thank you so much for all the tips, now and forever on. All of the possibilities are and always will be possibilities. It isn't so easy figuring this stiff out unless you know of them. 😁😉

[@PohlBarnProductions]

it's isn't easy and I had very little help myself, I'm just as new to this as you are, and I don't mind helping if I can, I might not always be right or do things correctly but I try. anymore I just go with what ever is thrown at me and work through it, and try laughing at it all the way. LOL

[@huwdavies5264]

Hi Kim, I have now watched both videos and I am appalled at the customer service you had from Grizzly. They should have just replaced the head stock at least if not the whole lathe at their expense and not make you replace the spindle and bearings yourself. I live in Wales in the UK and 6 months ago I bought my 3rd lathe from Axminsters, as I already had some of their other equipment and was happy with them. The lathe cost me just over £2200. It was delivered free of charge, set up and tested in my new workshop and has a 100% guarantee on all aspects of the lathe which gives me great piece of mind. The manager of the shop was actually one of the two people that delivered the lathe and set it up. I sincerely hope you have a brilliant experience with your new Laguna. I have seen a lot of turners on KZbin use Laguna lathes and they all seem to be very happy with them. Sorry for rambling on but I am so pleased you have a lathe you will be happy with and that you had at last good customer service from A HUMAN!! LOL Cheers and looking forward to your first video using your new lathe. Take care. Huw

[@jessalford5927]

Kim, one thing you may never thought of is that if you have dropped the chuck on the floor especially a concrete floor one of the jaws could be ever so slightly bent which will cause a pretty big wobble. I know this by experience, lol. It will definitely effect what you are turning.

[@williamellis8993]

I've dealt with Woodcraft both at the local store and corporate (before the local store opened). Their quality and customer service have been second to none.

[@jamesbrandt1244]

Kim, I have never had a Nova Chuck but you mentioned having to tighten a set screw. If there is only one set screw it might be pulling the chuck off slightly. Try loosening the set screw (just for a test) to see if it doesn't help. Be sure to retighten afterwards.

[@hawkeye10100]

Hey Kim, I have had problems with Grizzly similar to yours but with a band saw. Had to fix it myself. I also had a problem with a Laguna 12/16. The tool rest wouldn't go all the way down and they would not fix it but they wanted me to fix it. I bought it at Woodcraft so I called them and they called Laguna. To make a long story short I took the lathe back to Woodcraft and bought a Jet 12/21 and I am happy. The owner of Woodcraft told me they have had a lot of problems with customer service at Laguna. I can tell you the customer service at Woodcraft is first class and I told them so.

[@KimTippin]

I am sorry you had problems too. I am amazed at how many people are having problems. It is beyond frustrating to have to fix brand new equipment. You just want to get to stuff made and for most of us, make a living!

[@hawkeye10100]

@@KimTippin Kim, I really like Laguna tools but if they don't stand behind them I can't see buying them. I have switched to Jet. My motor on my table saw went out and they sent me a new one. I didn't have to send the old motor back either. He asks that I take a picture of the plate on the motor and send it to him and I trashed the old motor. That is good customer service. Yes, I did have to fix it myself.

[@Ricksp65]

I just ordered one I’m waiting for it to be delivered I live here in Cape Coral Florida I hope I have good luck with mine also I got the Laguna 18/36 with the 20 inch bed extension came to around $3000.

[@mitchellmanning7887]

👍,, thanks for sharing

[@mariagaddis5134]

Kim I am sorry that you are having all these problems with your lathe if you continue to have problems with this new one try a robust they are supposed to be one of the best Tim Yoder and Carl Jacobson use them and are very happy with them Carl is even a sales representative for Robust. I hope though this lathe will work with no problems. I am also glad that the guys were so helpful it gives you peace of mind to know that it works right.

[@nickolascrego5716]

Hi Kim, take a look Robust Lathe. I think you would be very happy. Their warranty is unmatched. And their lathe is top notch.

[@KimTippin]

I would love to have one....and the money for it too 😆

[@HueyLionsheart]

Wow, that Grizzly customer service needs an immediate overhaul...If you're not going to be the cheapest in the market place then you had better have something really standout in your company credentials...Customer service and satisfaction maybe? Glad to see you have a lathe capable of spinning wood again though....and yes, you're right, that's a sweet looking machine. I can't offer any advice on your toolpost problem...my lathe is an old Record Power and very unlike your machine. Really looking forward to watching you create some stuff with it now!👍😁

[@stevedoe1286]

Sometimes the jaw can be off if you tighten down the jaw teeth so they are closed you can see if they need to be adjusted. It needs to be tight all the way around if there is a space, see if you can adjust it. Then again it can be the wood if you try to rotate it in the jaw, and see if spins correctly or it just might be off anyway then it could be the wood it self. I had this happen and rotating it happened to work. My friend has a few Nova chucks and he has one that just not work correctly. He claims it is out of adjustment. Good luck you will get through this.

[@whsii1318]

Hello Kim, I have the same Nova chuck, I have had issues with it, it ran out almost 0.30 thousands, by a dial indicator. I realized that if you do not remove the piece, you do not have any problems. If you have to remove the piece, put a register mark between two of the jaws, and use a sharpie to mark the wood between the two jaws that align with the register mark, so you can align the piece back to the original orientation. Not perfect but usable. I purchased a One way Stronghold chuck, and did not have this problem. My old 1950's lathe was not the problem. I feel that the Nova adapter is the problem. The Nova has a screw in adapter, while the Strong hold chuck has a slip fit adapter that has screws to hold it in place. I personally think that the two sets of screw threads as the Nova uses, have a bit of slop, that is the problem. I feel One way threads the adapter then turns it round to fit their chuck. I love the One way chuck, but still use the Nova for small turnings that I do not feel I will have to remove the piece before it is completed. I still mark the register marks in case I have to remove the piece. Hope this helps! WH

[@wandcraft8991]

Kim, thanks for the review! I've been researching both the Grizzly G0766 & the Laguna 1836, so this helps out a LOT! Are you still using the Laguna & happy with it??? I do like the price of the Grizzly better, but doubt I'll go with that now after seeing what you went through. Love what I'm seeing/reading on the Laguna Revo though. The closest place to try one is about 3 hours away though. :( So, I really look to reviews like this. BTW.. is that spalted live oak? That's some of my favorite stuff... Mine came from Lake Wales area. :) Thanks again!

[@Splash111]

Very frustrating I'm sure. I bought a Laguna 2436 because of quality control issues with Grizzly. So far so good. The head unit can be adjusted to make sure it's on point with the tailstock. I bought a Nova chuck as well...1st one wouldn't tighten correctly. I returned it. 2nd chuck works great.

[@walterwright507]

Get a one ONEWAY lathe , four bearings in the head stock less than one thousand inch of runout . The 2436 weighing in at 800 pounds going nowhere . Made to order in Stratford Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 NOT CHINESE JUNK ? Turning inboard or outboard with adapter available for turning 42 inch outboard . I had one for 15 years no troubles , sold all my tools when I moved off the farm into town . Expensive but worth it , end your late troubles forever . Love all your videos thanks very much . Walter. From Meaford Ontario Canada

[@KimTippin]

Would love to have a Oneway!! Thank you 😊

[@gregjones3453]

Good luck with your Revo I’ve had mine about three years and really like it.. be safe and good luck turning..

[@texanky]

I am on my third lathe which is a Powermatic 3520. It is 15 years old now, I purchased it new and I use it daily without any problems and still on the original drive belt. I could not be happier with this lathe because it does a great job and has enough power to do anything I want to do up 20" dia. I enjoy your demos and wish you the best of luck with these bumps in your road.

[@andyvan5692]

one suggestion, the chuck may be seated on the "flange " of the spindle thread, but did you check it for wood dust/ off-cuts? as with METAL lathes, and milling machine chucks, if the surface is CONTAMINATED by debris the surfaces can't attain a full metal to metal contact, and hence attain the accurate concentric alignment that the machine was designed for. that is to say the debris moves the parts out of alignment with each other, same as with parts in a vice on the drill press or between the fences in band saws and table saws.

[@med1pilot1956]

Oh dear lord, if this doesn't put me off buying a lathe of any kind via mail order, nothing will. I need to do my research and find a Laguna dealer near enough to my home that I can drive to and pick up my equipment. Definitely not going to go the Grizzly route. Thank you for laying out all the heart ache you had to put up with to help us not have to go through it ourselves. Please pardon my forward comments, but I found it hard to concentrate on your narrative with the distraction of your uncommonly beautiful eyes. I really enjoy your turning videos. your turning talents are wonderful, and your teaching style is very easy to follow.

[@johnhuggins5021]

Hey Kim, I just started watching and subscribing to your channel, so I'm a little confused. Are you saying that you used to have a Laguna 18/36? What made you decide to get a Grizzly model instead of using your Laguna? And then you went back to your previous Laguna model?

[@AlFurtado]

Sounds like you're just having bad luck. I just hope to start seeing your turnings soon

[@jamesagnew5607]

I adjust the screw while its on the bed ways move handle till it’s loose and tighten the not on bottom till it’s tight.

[@Sea-Dog5496]

Hi Kim. The lock handle on your banjo rotating all the way around and not locking it tight, may be due to (my guess) the rod diameter flex. You know the lock rod is offset so when you rotate the handle it draws up the bolt bringing up the washers under it and locking it like a clamp to the ways. I don't know what size diameter rod Laguna use on their lathe banjo, but I am thinking it is not large enough to counter the pressure you can apply when you twist the lever to lock the slide. You could tighten the adjuster nuts as you said you did, but never get them adjusted enough to over come the rod flex. It may not be much flex but just enough to allow you to rotate the locking handle 360 degrees. May not be the case for yours, but it sure sounds li that to me. Slide the banjo all the way to the rear, keeping it 90 degrees square to the bed ways, then lock it down and see if you can still rotate the handle all the way around. The rod should not flex in that position. I suspect it is at its worst when the banjo is at the center of the ways, hence more flex can occur. Hope that makes sense. I see no cure except for a bigger and stronger banjo. :/

[@KimTippin]

I will do that! thanks!

[@marknelson1222]

I’ll never buy anything from Grizzly again after buying two of their bandsaws. Nothing but troubles from the start of purchase. Sent me two saws the first time and I have to arrange for them to pick one back up. Second time they sent the wrong saw and I had to load it and have them receive it before they sent me the right saw....months of messing around. I was considering buying the 24/36 Revo when I sell one of my houses, (I want to buy my last lathe when I buy my second lathe) any advice? Have they gotten better? Any feedback on that model?

[@TheMessyStudio]

Such an ordeal, Kim. I tried two different SuperNovas and two different adapters when I bought my Powermatic new about 15 years ago. I had visible runout regardless. I sent them back and bought a different brand... no runout with any chuck I've put on it since. I have a Rikon (Record Power) SC4 coming in a few days and hoping it runs true. I've heard good things about them so I'm not too worried. Wax the bed ways (I use Johnson's paste wax). That should help with the banjo and tailstock movement. Billy

[@KimTippin]

Billy Burt , I was just looking at the Record Power sc4. Will it require an adaptor for the 1 1/4 spindle ? I am trying to avoid using adaptors..

[@TheMessyStudio]

@@KimTippin Yes, ma'am, it does. But so does every other chuck I've tried. Billy

[@KimTippin]

@@TheMessyStudio , ordered the Record Power sc4 and the adaptor... I will keep you posted. please let me know how yours turns out.

[@TheMessyStudio]

@@KimTippin Will do. Chuck came yesterday. Adapter due in today. Billy

[@kunkprime6980]

Hello Kim, I've been a woodworker and woodturner for many years. I've owned both a PM 3520A and B. Even these excellent lathes can have a small amount of runout (the rotational deviation from zero deflection as it spins). This could be a result of an out of round or bent shaft, an out of balance turning and poorly made or mounted bearings or even a poorly made chuck. You can easily put numbers on this and isolate the true cause. Some of the most important tools in my shop are set up and measuring tools. One of the most important of these tools is a (0.0005") dial indicator (dial indicator and magnetic base can be purchased for ~ $20 to $60 on Amazon) With this tool you can easily check the "TIR" (total indicated run out) down to +/- 0.0005" (only 5 ten thousandths of an inch) No guess work...Just take a video or take a picture snd send it to the offending vendor... Bob's yer dads brother. I would start with a bare spindle and indicate it on the outside just shy of the threads. Mount the indicator with the sensing probe lightly touching the spindle at the "low point" with a clear path around the spindle. Rotate the spindle slowly (by hand only) You should see the indicator twitch up and down. Set the dial to zero on the low side. The reading will be the total run out The runout should be less than 0.001". Then stress the spindle (right and left, up and down). There should be almost no additional run out. Then add the chuck and do the same. You can also do this measurement with the tool rest or any rigid object and a feeler gauge (just a few bucks). Rotate the spindle to find the "high spot". Bring in your tool rest or other rigid object in to lightly touch the spindle at the "high spot". Rotate the spindle till you see the widest gap. Measure this gap with the feeler gauge. This is your total run out. Always check the clearance between base of the chuck and the shoulder of the spindle, there should be absolutely none. The chuck should thread smoothly down to seat on the spindle shoulder with a click or snap to lock down with absolutely no gap or play...this is what keeps the chuck from wobbling on the spindle. Some folks (like me) use a 1 1/4 inside X 0.062" thick Nylon washer between the chuck and spindle to eliminate this problem and also allow the chuck to be removed easier. These are available on Amazon and probably at Woodcraft. Always use the chuck grub (set) screws to lock the chuck in place. The rotational (inertial) loads when the lathe is shut down can produce significant torque that will try to unscrew the chuck...This can cause serious injury or worse if you are standing in the "firing line" (don't) and are hit by a heavy spinning blank with chuck attached. I hope this information is helpful. If you need more help feel free to drop me an E/M ([e-mail]) I hope you and yours are doing well. Y'all be careful and stay safe...kunk

[@KimTippin]

Thanks 😊

[@nighteagle317]

I am so sorry you have had to deal with that frustration concerning your lathe. I hate that I have no solution fro you. I will say though that I would take some video of that wobble in the new one and see what the gentlemen at Woodcraft have to say. I know I certainly saw the wobble in the chuck. Maybe they can shed some light on the problem for you. It very well may be the new chuck. That's much easier to exchange than a lathe. It wouldn't hurt to start there. Trust me, we want you turning too!! Good luck. Let us know how it goes. Cheers, Paige C.

[@KimTippin]

Thank you so much, Paige 🤗

[@harryrisso7445]

Hi Kim I had the same problem with my SuperNova2 also. I found out two things to correct the problem: The nova jaws need a straight tenon, after you know that ... the manual also says that but I would never have understood that from the manual! When mounting in a recess it needs a dovetail. I understood the dovetail and I thought it applied to both! But it doesn't. The other thing is you tenon should not touch the inside of the chuck it should have a space. All the holding power comes from the chuck jaws on the tenon and on the bottom of what you are mounting. You should go on KZbin and what one of the Videos on mounting. Mainly because I can't seem to express clearly how it is done. After a little learning my Supernova2 worked fine and I bought another one which is operating very true.

[@anchorburg8196]

Some things to try as to runout with the chuck. No trash between the chuck and headstock. It is that mating surface which makes it run true, even a small chip of sawdust will throw it off. None of the "plastic" washers to help make chuck removal easier, they can become deformed. Jaws, in the correct position on the chuck #1 on #1, etc. Jaws installed properly. Loosen the jaws about 1/2 turn and scroll in tightly. If you tighten them when extended you may not get them "centered". By having the jaws loose they can smooze to a perfect circle when closed. Then tighten the screws. You have very little gap between the jaws. They are turned as a billet the cut into quarters. Per Nova there is 2-3mm of material removed when they are cut apart so with a perfect circle there will be a gap of close to 1/8". It may be the video but it appears the jaws are almost touching; only possible this is causing so flex in the wood if the jaws are not applying enough pressure. I normally cut my tenons in wet to about 2-1/8" or in hard dry to about 1 7/8 - 2". Except for very hard the wood will crush some. As to the banjo I do not know. My Nova has a nut at the back end and if it is not adjusted right the handle will do as yours does (or maybe not even be able to turn the handle at all). Total adjustment is only about 1/4-1/2 turn of the nut to go from one to the other. I don't know if your banjo has a similar adjustment or not

[@snobear41]

I totally agree- NO EXCUSE for poor customer care/service! that said on installing a bearing- I use a large deep socket to tap mine on, that way you are hitting the whole surface evenly. I have my 1st lathe a WEN mid sized. has been a great beginner lathe but I sure wish it was variable speed over the change a belt speed control.

[@jamesagnew5607]

Kim not to be stupid but did you aline the headstock and the tail stock and on chucks I have put the jaws in out of number they way they were milled the jaw has a number and so does the chuck so they have to match if not they tighten a little off hope this helps.

[@KimTippin]

Yes. Sure have. I have probably tried everything at least twice. Thank you so much. You never know, could be something simple . I did get a new headstock but some of the wobble isn't gone. I am discovering that it is definitely the Nova chucks. I have had so many emails and phone calls about Nova chucks causing the same wobble on many other brands of lathes. At least it's not as bad with the new headstock.

[@randygarrard7585]

Sorry for being late with this txt, just did watch what you had to say. By no means on hackeling you on the process of installing the bearings, most people dont know this. A person should never pound the bearings on the shaft. What needs to be done, is either heat the bearings with a bearing heater, or freeze the shaft. Keep up the good work on your turning projects.

[@randyarmel6747]

I'm kinda surprised! Will you look to something else or go straight to Powermatic?

[@KimTippin]

I am in no position to purchase anything else. The bearings need replaced I am thinking. Also motor is making a noise when I first turn it on. I will just keep repairing this one until I can save for something else.

[@stevedoe1286]

I just when and look at my friends Nova jaw. He has the almost the same problem as you. The Extension he has are longer to keep it away from the Jaw. We took those off and tried another set but was close to the Jaw. This worked great and he and I think the jaws was tweaked some how. These are older jaws and at sometime this happened. Being new it might not have been milled correctly. Did you install the jaw pieces correctly they have numbers on the backs and on the jaw the numbers are on the side. They are milled at the factory and they put a number sequence on them. I thought he said you could adjust them but you can not.

[@KimTippin]

The are on in number sequence. I double checked last night. I have another set of jaws, I will try swapping them out and seeing if the problem is there. Thanks so much for all of your help!! I get so overwhelmed with all the issues, I forget to slowdown and start at the simple stuff.

[@jfcustomfab]

Not sure if it’s been said or not but why not put an indicator on the chuck to check the run out

[@Man-in-da-shed]

Woodcraft 1 Grizzly Nil. Looking forward to see you Turning

[@KimTippin]

mee too!! lol thanks for joining me!

[@Man-in-da-shed]

But Keep it Quiet, I’m more a metal worker, that Polh barns., will tell The Beard x16, who will tell Huey lions heart, who will want to know why I’m looking at Wood tubes 😂

[@KimTippin]

@@Man-in-da-shed 😉 😂

[@HueyLionsheart]

@@KimTippin Watch out....@ian matthews will try to get you scrapping stuff and filling your work area to the rafters with brass and copper!🤣

[@HueyLionsheart]

@@Man-in-da-shed Thanks Ian! You'll be enjoying the Darkside....wood is beckoning you!

[@envtldude]

All chucks have some runout. The more you spend on your chuck, the less runout you'll have.

[@randyarmel6747]

Wow, I'm surprised to hear that. I want to upgrade from my Nova Comet II and thought Laguna would be great. So who can you trust?? Best wishes and thanks for your response.

[@KimTippin]

I don't know... haven't had any luck yet :/

[@bobshorkey1502]

Going threw exactly what you’re going through saying 766 nightmare

[@STMwoodturning]

So... I'm looking to get my first lathe and watching this video raises more questions for me. I'm on a budget and really only want to turn bowls, vases, urns, boxes, etc. so I'd like at least 12" over the bed ways. I've been looking at Grizzly and seen good reviews on their products and I would like to buy through Amazon if possible but if their customer service is crummy, then... There's a Harbor Freight store in town but I'd rather save a little longer and "buy up" the first time. The Laguna seems to be out of my budget but maybe worth waiting for. Any others you looked at when searching to replace the Harbor Freight? Recommendations please. On the chuck wobble, and I'm spit balling here, I have seen a couple other turners put a nylon or hard plastic disk between the chuck and the shoulder on the spindle shaft. I think it was Mike Peace or Rick of Rick Turns and IIRC, it was so the chuck wouldn't get stuck on the spindle. This small spacer also might make up for any small machining discrepancies in the shoulder of the spindle and the chuck body where they make contact. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Sorry they have been so frustrating. Stuart

[@KimTippin]

I am thinking of getting that spacer you mentioned. It is a pain to get this Nova off of the spindle. I have heard lots of good about Grizzly and Laguna. I may just have a knack for getting the defective stuff . lol Laguna customer service is decent. I did not call them just emailed them, because when I call I always have to leave a message. I emailed Laguna on Memorial day and sent 4 emails after that. a week later I finnaly got a responce. 🙍‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️ Laguna is sending a new spindle that I have to install.... This is going to be fun and probably not end well. Thats my options at this point . Grizzly was nuts. If you order a lathe on Amazon, you will have to return the WHOLE lathe to amazon and buy another. Grizzly will not "service" the lathe due to the agreement they have with Amazon. Its nuts.. I will say that returning stuff to amazon is SO much easier that returning to the manufacture. Jet is made by Laguna. Both lathes have good reviews. My experience may not be yours. If you can go look at lathes in person, so much better.

[@STMwoodturning]

@@KimTippin Thanks for the info Kim :-)

[@NickScrivener]

My word, I thought I was the only one.

[@dirtycurty1202]

MrTaco250 If that is all you plan on turning I would take a hard look at the Nova 1624 II. I to am in similar shoes. I just want to turn bowls, vases, and candle holders. I'm on a tight budget (been saving for over a year now) to get one. They make 2 versions a manual belt change one and a variable speed. The head stock swivels, it has 16" of swing over the bed and 24" out board and 24" between centers so it is a nice size lathe just for bowl turners. Read all the reviews you can find and I think you may be impressed

[@STMwoodturning]

Curt Parker thanks for the info, I will check out that model

[@clydeulmer4484]

Unfortunate that your Grizzly was knackered too. It's a bit of rolling the dice with them -- I rolled well and my G0766 was great out of the crate and has remained so. Some tips though: Many people don't pay enough attention to making the ways coplanar. It's good, but not terribly important that the bed be level in any direction, but it's really, really, really important that the leveling process gets the ways coplanar. Look at Robust and Oneway lathes to see how much engineering they put into this. Use a *good* level or digital gauge... Second, for diagnostics beg/buy/borrow/steal a decent dial indicator on a magnetic mount. If your spindle checks out internally *and* externally, check the body of your chuck. If that's OK, there's something wonky either with the internal screw mechanism or the jaws. With a good flat surface -- e.g. a plate of thick glass -- you can use that dial indicator you stole :-) to measure the jaws for consistency. FWIW, I've found Nova chucks to be OK but their modern made in China jaws suspect. (I now use Record Power chucks & jaws.) Hope this helps -- and good luck. Clyde

[@KimTippin]

Just got a dial indicatior for Harbor freight today . spindle checks good. the chuck is visually off. I will mess around with it a little more to make sure it isn't operator error. If not, I'll send back. Thanks for the tips! I appreciate all the help I can get.

[@BradsWorkbench]

Thanks for the video, i know now to steer clear of grizzly. When you spend that kind of money you shouldnt have to worry about customer service

[@randyarmel6747]

As of today, 5/19/20, do you still like your Laguna? I'm really considering the new 12/16 REVO

[@KimTippin]

No, I do not.

[@johnhuggins5021]

Yes, I have been binge-watching KZbin about the Laguna 12/16 Revo and literally no one has reported anything bad about this so-called midi-lathe; no one. Not even the Nova chuck. Nothing but awesome reviews.

[@robertcornelius3514]

You're a Pro bearing changer now.

[@KimTippin]

Just about!!

[@gregoryh4601]

Hi Kim. Thanks for the info ,I am looking for a lathe but thinking the smaller one! Laguna Revo 15/24 model are you still sold on Laguna Lathe? How is the Service? You are some Funny in this Video and sorry but I could not stop Laughing when you voice change! Thanks for all info when you have Time. Greg of Ohio

[@KimTippin]

No, still just wouldn't waste my money on another Laguna. Not saying my experience will be everyone's, just based on my experience. Service was okay..

[@dennisbeamish9058]

Hi Kim About the banjo lever not tightening -- I had this problem with my Nova 2024 (Great Lathe by the way). I found that the plate under the medway was not flat. So I flattened it with emery cloth and the problem seemed to go away. My experience anyway - maybe that would work for you. Keep at it girl - you do great work. Avid subscriber. Dennis Beamish Cambridge Ontario Canada

[@robertgreene8275]

i think you jest live with it or fix it

[@crackerjack3359]

Vicmarc chucks are great.

[@erickneasbitt]

So I’m looking to buy a lathe like this one did you ever get the issue fixed

[@KimTippin]

yes Laguna sent a new headstock.

[@erickneasbitt]

Kim Tippin Wood Turning ok yeah I watched that video also and seen that you turned some more after that but didn’t know if that fixed everything or you was just dealing with it

[@larrytaylor1358]

I need to add a lathe to my fledging shop but no way it will be a Grizzly. Not sure if it will be a 15x24 or 18x36 but it has been planned for sometime to be a Laguna.

[@michaelcase9151]

On the tool holder banjo, try turning the handle to your right to tighten it.

[@KimTippin]

I was able to find the happy place for the screw underneath. it tightens as it should now. Also I added 2x6 on the bottom and leveled the bed a little stricter. may have been too much flex in the floor.

[@nealramsey4439]

Pounding on bearings is not good for their longevity. If you heated the bearings just enough to warm them and put the shaft in the freezer then it would've loosened the fit a few thousandths and made it much easier.

[@alanweiler9644]

You are going to make yourself crazy until you get an instrument that measures the play in the rotation. Then you will know whether it is within tolerance.

[@whytho1]

Laguna makes that chuck…it's 200 bucks and smooth as bewter

[@karlsangree4679]

As soon as I heard “pound” and “bearing” in the same sentence, I knew this was going to be bad

[@gerarduebbing3121]

Kim, do you regret your decision on purchasing a Laguna? Just seeing your trails and tribulations convinced me that to pass on a lathe that seems to have major quality control, and poor customer service. Not with just you, but many. I have received my 2035c Powermatic a few weeks ago, and all I have to say is wow. I know it’s almost twice the price, but sometimes you are better to spend the money, and be totally satisfied and know you have a 5 year warranty to boot. Hopefully you can find one that actually meets your expectations. Good luck

[@KimTippin]

yes... thank you for rubbing it in. lol just kidding. I will hopefully get a Powermatic one day.

[@larryvaughn2567]

I've been thinking about a new lathe but after hearing your story I am sure it will not be a Grizzly.

[@SQLKC]

I have two grizzly lathes and both are flawless after years of use. I think she has replaced every spindle for every lathe she has owned. Could be she is the most unlucky lathe owner I have every heard of.

[@KimTippin]

I am. lol I guess I am just getting the duds off the shelf for everyone else. lol The customer service was worse than the spindle problem BUT that is just my experience.. not everyone is as lucky as I am lol 🤣 Thank goodness for that! lol

[@andyvan5692]

one more pointer, that banjo handle IS meant to turn 360 deg. around, that is so you can cam the banjo with the handle 180 deg. around the other side of the operating rod ( this gets the handle out of the way while you are turning), as these are a cam-action design, they work on a cam that raises the locking washer into place, but this can work in two positions, for as I said previously if the handle is pointing at 11:00 it can obstruct access to the work by the tool handles, so this alternate position is available for these occasions.

[@CarlosAguilar-jz1cw]

Kim love watching your videos. What would be your ideal lathe?

[@KimTippin]

Thank you 🤗🤗🤗 I would love to have anything that will not wobble or that I have to fix after a few days opening the box 😊😉

[@CarlosAguilar-jz1cw]

Do you prefer one brand/model over another? Why? The reason I ask is that I’m looking to get into turning and would like to get a good machine that is recommended by people who know about these things. Thanks and keep the videos coming.

[@KimTippin]

I turned on my friends Powermatic. I LOVED it. Other than that, I have no experience with other machines except the ones I have owned. Harbor freight lathe, Grizzly and Laguna.

[@johnhuggins5021]

I have heard lots of good things about the Powermatic 3520C and the Oneway 1640 full-size lathes, but you have to be prepared to spend $4k-plus. As much as you love to wood lathe, you might have to finally tell yourself.......if I buy, say either of these two lathes, it's only gonna hurt......once. They are one of the best lathes for the $$$. - Industrial grade - and the very serious hobbyist. If you were just beginning I wouldn't recommend it because of the cost, but it sounds like (just started subscribing to your channel), you have been at this for quite some time now, and it's time to move up. Good luck and happy turning.

[@johninlutz3656]

You need to join a wood turning club. If you live between Clearwater and Orlando, there is one TriCounty Wood Turners that meets in Lutz or Polk county Wood Turners that meets in Bartow. You can go to the American Association of Wood Turners web site and they list all of the clubs in the area. I am mostly self taught from KZbin also but have learned a lot from my club demonstrations. I have also found there are some excellent instructors in the Tampa Bay area. I use only nova chucks on my nova lathe. I have not had any trouble although I have seen things on KZbin suggesting some may wobble. One thing about mount shown is that you have the tenon to small. There should be at least an eight of an inch gap between the jaws when closed around the tenon. As you have it, it the jaws look completely closed and may not be holding the tenon tightly. Another thing is make sure the number on the jaws match the numbers on the chuck. They go on in a particular order. Good Luck with it all.

[@clydeulmer4484]

Yes, absolutely. In my turning club there's an aggregate several hundreds of years experience turning, a couple of mechanical engineers, a pair of professional machinists, a metal fabricator or three, a couple of farmers who have spent their lives fixing farm machinery... Solid sources of advice, in other words, wrt any problem you might have.

[@pfiltz]

Sealed bearings USUALLY have to be pressed in. Not pounded from side to side.

[@KimTippin]

yep. That is why it is ridiculous to expect the customer to fix this issue.

[@pfiltz]

@@KimTippin Exactly. I just went through an exercise about front/rear bearings on my New Laguna 12x16. I own a Jet now. No bias either way, since I'm a newb.

[@mikethompson9745]

I owned a shop fox drill press what a turd, I also considered a grizzly full sized lathe only to find out that there are 5 companies that use the same lathe all made by the same Chinese company that they all put their names on. QC is supposed to be poor. I'm looking a revo or a nova DVR.

[@RonR1]

Safety is up to you. Just a suggestion hair net or something to stop your hair from flapping around. It may save you from Serious injury, permanent disability or death. Accidents can happen to the best of us.

[@The806Traveler]

Maybe get a thermocell for the skeeters.

[@EADGBEKEN]

Kim..... Did you ever consider a Powermatic Lathe? You work is Awesome....

[@KimTippin]

I would LOVE to have a Powermatic!!! Oh what a dream that would be !! Maybe one day... Thank you so very much!!! 🤗🤗🤗

[@davidhaney1394]

When you buy something and it gives you nothing but trouble , don`t buy it again . I have 2 friends with the 18/36 lathe and they both have the same issue it shakes like crazy . Its a cheap lathe that will only keep doing the best that it can do . I hope you have more success than they are having with them (not trying to be funny here , just sharing their experience with it ...)

[@KimTippin]

Thank you! I agree.

[@jamesagnew5607]

I bought a new lathe from Grizzly shaft was bent from the start. I called the lady to me to beat the shaft out till she realized the bearings we’re molded into the head stock. After 10 minutes I said to her I remove bearings as part of my job so I said she may want to talk with someone before I break the cast. So guess what I was right and they did send me a new headstock no problem I did have to wait till there headstock came then I put the bad in there container and sent it back no problem whatsoever. But that was my experience. Headstock also needs to be lined up with the tail stock that should be in your directions. And the last thing is customer service has gone out the window as you are figuring out. I have been turning about 6 years and I do agree with another comment and that is join a group if you can. Good luck and be safe.

[@ceciljanise2318]

I am presently shopping for a new lathe.. did look at Grizzly... but... after seeing this video.. Grizzly is off MY list... permanently ..

[@58leland]

In the video it was stated that Woodcraft will price match according to their customer service they DO NOT price match

[@KimTippin]

I apologize for the misinformation. I was told they could, with exceptions. I could have misunderstood.

[@58leland]

I did not mean to doubt you just repeating what they told me and the bold word was very much emphasized in our conversation. However since Wood craft is a franchised business the owners of that store ay very well match prices. My information came from the Woodcraft Corporation. I am sorry I did not mean to offend!

[@KimTippin]

@@58leland oh no no no, I am sorry! You did not offend me 😉 Thank you for commenting the information you got from your location. I t is good that those who see / read this comment and video , understand that it is not the same for every location. I am very much okay with being corrected if I am wrong. Ignorance can turn to stupidity real fast.. lol. I rather be ignorant than stupid. hehe. Thank you for mentioning the error!! God bless!

[@DNGJustSnakes]

Harvey lathe is the only real way to go without spending the money for a Robust...lol...and they have 3 bearing on the spindle...

[@mstanifer1]

I just bought a Laguna 15/24

[@arthurslaughter4122]

Check out Packard Woodworks in N.C. they have been VERY good to me in the past. Hope that helps . My experience with Grizzly is VERY hit and miss. I won't bother again.

[@bigrockets]

Kim, I hear you loud and clear on faulty equipment. I run into it all the time, while I'm not a wood turner (yet?) I still deal with expensive equipment. The customer service you received from Grizzly is NOT customer service! However it's typical of a lot of businesses these days sad to say. Any company that won't stand behind what they sell is a company I will only use once. I've always thought that Grizzly stuff was overrated and overpriced . You tackled a difficult job replacing the spindle and bearings. Making bearings behave themselves on a critical interference fit is difficult on folks that have been working on machinery with tolerance in the thousandths even for a long time. You managed to do it by yourself which just impresses the dickens out of me. Paying good money for a machine and expecting it to give you 100% is not asking too much in my opinion. Evidently it is too much for Grizzly and Amazon, who should be ashamed of themselves for putting you through this kind of horsecrap to begin with. I wish you the very best luck with your new lathe. Just think of all the experience you have gained from these experiences! Albeit frustrating and maddening. Sometimes that the way our learning curves go, it burns them into our being, and those Milady Kim are the most lasting and valuable. You are a remarkable lady.

[@KimTippin]

I agree!! Yes, I have now knowledge and experience I would not have had before the issue. I am still thankful. I thank you so much for feeling my pain and words of encouragement! That means a lot! Thank you 🤗🤗

[@7lostboy]

Hi Kim Sorry to see that your having problems. I don't know if you have seen this chaps review on the lathe kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmG1nZmNbsqjm80.

[@butchiechill8637]

Don't buy from Amazon go straight to the company

[@skaterslife6305]

Here’s the cold hard truth I feel absolutely terrible that this is happened to you but if a man calls it’s a totally different thing take it from a person who has a background in psychology and I’m going to end it there sorry for your troubles it’s not fair

[@michaell7877]

Reason I gave you a thumbs down is,,,, I saw the pic of the REVO 12-16. Watching your video, you spent SEVERAL minutes talking about your Grizzly disappointments. It would have been MUCH better to let the viewers know they can watch that at the end of the video.. I got very irritated and had to leave the video. I will try another video in your list.

[@berhanegebriel3155]

Complaining!!!

[@js4512]

Common problem buying anything from Amazon....you get screwed every time time....bought an Alarm system in amazon and they would not return it because of the rechargeable battery...why sell anything if it can't be returned defective or not as advertised.... alarm was not nearly loud enough...can not be heard outside of house, so what is the point?!!!! Amazon sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!