NEW Points Changes For Matched Play Warhammer 40k!

[@Speeds_Gaming_Corner]

0:00 Sponsors 0:48 Intro 3:10 Adepta Sororitas 4:27 Adeptus Custodes 5:54 Adeptus Mechanicus 6:59 Astra Militarum 12:14 Black Templars 12:55 Blood Angels 14:06 Chaos Demons 14:58 Chaos Knights 16:37 Chaos Space Marines 17:55 Dark Angels 19:50 Drukhari 23:06 Genestealer Cults 25:11 Grey Knights 28:22 Imperial Agents 29:23 Imperial Knights 30:23 Leagues of Votann 30:42 Necrons 34:00 Orks 35:19 Space Marines 44:42 Space Wolves 44:59 T'au 45:22 Tyranids 48:17 Overall Thoughts

[@solidsentinel1285]

Doing gods work

[@Quole1234]

My starshatter Arsenal list was 1990 points, and now it's 2000. My OCD is actually happy with the point increases, lol

[@hughroe8598]

I wonder whether they should just decrease the points of every unit that does not see any play competitively till it does. I find it weird that necrons get a balance pass but a load of other factions dont.

[@chrisbowles5721]

Just want to say how much I appreciate the recent change to Superchats at the end! Makes it so much more listenable.

[@nagayamagames]

Does Games Workshop have a Necrons player on their balance team?

[@chriscook6547]

@@nagayamagames yes absolutely and probably more than one

[@SethTaylor-ol5rl]

One of the top rated necrons players in the world - Josh Roberts. It's clearly a conflict of interest

[@brothertobias]

There is a certain someone who loves necrons and joined GW as the balance manager about a year ago. Really makes you think...

[@isaachaahr8691]

Ridgerunners and abominants going up is needed and fair. Abominants going up 20 feels wild.

[@trentathawat6714]

Quinton: "Vindicare went from bad to... not good." DEAD 🤣

[@brothertobias]

I really loved the Segment in which John compared Incursors and Reivers. That was a really thought-exercise, talk about mentally painting a picture.

[@jeremiegartner464]

Showing the points change is so nice

[@NicC49]

I don't think anyone with the models is bringing 10 death company with a character when you can bring 2 6man squads of outriders for that price.

[@jonathanhaynes9914]

Thanks John and Quinton

[@bevastation]

the grey knights 6" charge requires you to be in your zone, and you need to have controlled that from the start of move phase. the only way around that is deepstriking purifiers 9" away and 1cp to deepstrike the infantry 6" away inside the aura of the first unit

[@irgilligan]

That's pretty easy for what you get

[@scottcairns2933]

Easy to set up and worth it on the go turn, esp w draigo giving a second termi brick a 6” charge too

[@ThePaintedHope]

​@@scottcairns2933 2nd unit of termies? You cannot 6" termies with that strat

[@seankandare6733]

@@ThePaintedHope draigo gets +3 to charge so it's basically a 6" charge not a natural one

[@ThePaintedHope]

@@seankandare6733 yeah that makes the "first". But there is no second.

[@tim9241]

Hyped for assimilation swarm! Warriors plus warrior prime with parasitic biomorphology looks scrumptious. Hyped for some norn action too

[@brothertobias]

I know the buffs were massive, but I think Marines got done really dirty by the points. I'm not talking about the things that went up necessarily, I'm talking about the things that went up last update because of Fire Discipline and now that fire discipline got nerfed, stayed expensive for some reason? You basically never see Aggressors in competitive. Why are they still 240 for 6? Why didn't Eradicators go back down, now that their combo was removed? Why are Eliminators still at 85 for a movement trick they haven't been able to do since June?

[@runeh3022]

I just love how it seems like the mentality of the designers look at Drukhari Scourges and go, this needs a nerf since everyone takes them, when the total number of available anti-monster units that would otherwise last past turn 2 is zero if it was not for them. Everything else get blasted out of the sky in 1 turn if it shows it face and even with scourges you only have so many turns until overwatch gets you. Even worse, the Voidraven Bomber was the only realistic alternative to it...

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

If you’re getting blasted like that then you’re not utilising terrain well

[@runeh3022]

@@alexrowson-brown6568 playing Pariah Nexus terrain, and most of those layouts have pretty good LOS for ranged units. If you pop out to shoot something, expect return fire at your squishy vehicles...

[@SacredGumby]

Fantastic video, great to see Quinton and John having fun.

[@allenedwards7595]

Sisters getting nerfed with rules and points was too much. That was brutal for so many unreliable data sheets. Straight to the toilet they go.

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

Auto 6 every battle round doesn’t seem like a nerf

[@danielhughes3758]

​@@alexrowson-brown6568It very much is. It used to be an additional MD of value 6 but now it just guarantees a 6 for the one you'd normally roll. If you played with triumph before this change, you'd get 2 per battle round + one extra per battle round with value 6 from triumph. So that's up to 15 in a game. Now it's just 1 per battle round which is a 6, so that's 5 MD total

[@asbrozek64]

@@alexrowson-brown6568 you used to get a six MD in addition to the normal dice you rolled.

[@allenedwards7595]

@@alexrowson-brown6568 It was one per player turn in addition to a free six. Now we turn one per battle round into a six if you take the 200+ pt model. We're getting about 1/3 of the dice we were. But still pointed like each unit has full access to miracles all the time.

[@thelegendsmith3063]

Hounds of morkai ignored in the phobos armor buff really shows how much attention they give necrons over other factions.

[@RSBurgener]

I guess I might as well build and paint the Outriders and a maybe a Bike Chaplain. I think the time has come to try and make them work, beyond rule of cool.

[@jeremiegartner464]

Cries in chaos bikers

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

One must play ravenwing

[@xxalsinusxx2038]

The attention to detail the Necron changes got combined with their just consistently above average meta performance all edition shows the balance team's hardcore bias for Necrons. I'm also sensing a seething rage for Drukhari. RIP the Lion, you were never in any lists, but it still feels like I lost you anyway.

[@Brakmek11823]

Retaliation Cadre and Kauyon took big hits with this Dataslate. Big winrate drops incoming.

[@h-grid3137]

@@Brakmek11823 Was Tiger Shark that big part of Kauyon?

[@Speeds_Gaming_Corner]

@@h-grid3137 Yes

[@Brakmek11823]

​@h-grid3137 Big enough that making it unusable is a nerf to the Detachment, especially since it was the only Detachment that could run it.

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

@@Brakmek11823weeeellll you can run it in kauyon and montka but now it just costs way too much

[@McWerp]

Sisters still fine eh? Be interesting to revisit that take in a few months :D

[@DonBeverage-x3e]

I think the AoW whiplash from Sisters D tier to Sisters OP was really strong - that pendulum had a lot of momentum, it's going to take a while to swing back, ya know?

[@sleepingforest3103]

Well, they only look at the point which is fine for increase. But point + MD + extra stuff is hurt....a lot

[@glasSpN]

Sisters are just so weak now. Triumphs cost should have been reduced significantly in cost. Shes now completely overcostet. Many mechanics are now difficult to pull of in army of faith, simply because there are no dice to work with. Even more irrelevant models like junith got a nerv from it….. I see 40% winrate incoming

[@herendel]

@@glasSpN agree, she is to expensive but still needed in penitent host... - army of faith : well the stata are good but the detachment is also not uesfull now - binger well usable but nerf+nerf+nerf+nerf make it so less good -penitent host interesting but repentias are so expensive.... - hallowed martyr : for me an aberration in a T3 army because you need to be wounded end to survive so to be passive and opponent dependant but less good than the index version now (were sisters were no good than mid tier) so a lot of nerfs and no help to play other units (retributor/sacresant/repentia/dogmata) last hope de christmas detachment

[@lillithara5120]

Do you think the Drukari changes are due to what new Detachment they are going to be getting?

[@brandtdrake2231]

Or according to Skari, it’s his fault.😂

[@xxalsinusxx2038]

If that was the case, Necrons would have fielded nothing but nerfs. They would have also been much larger as they're an already super good top army and they just got a ridiculous detachment.

[@Dereck1234]

@@xxalsinusxx2038feels like there’s a developer who has a particular grudge against drukhari

[@grahamwilliamson5306]

*me excited to see tsons get points changes to non sorcerer units so I can actually play a functional game* * Sees 0 changes* Why is GW like this???

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

Tsons is still meta

[@stevecatpatrick8056]

This is how you know that the nerves were a fail for guard: his worlds list took less of a hit Then someone running a mediocre list with a super heavy. I'm really crossing my fingers They fix them in the codex so that every unit in the army can receive orders.

[@markhohenbrink5230]

GW reduce the cost of Tau Titanic walkers, do it you cowards.

[@toferkrz946]

I don't think Mr. GW can hear you from here.

[@thomasvilhelmsen7387]

Reivers Also gets deepstrike.. in vanguard is very usefull

[@isaachaahr8691]

Inspectors might be one of the best oath users. +1 to wound rerolls everything

[@trevoris18]

tankbustas now being an all rokkit squad is kinda insteresting. Put them in a trukk and you get 6d3 rokkit attacks. yeah it's ork shooting but still s9 ap d3 ain't to shabby

[@thelegendsmith3063]

Stompah could definetly went down

[@brandtdrake2231]

So just saw Skari’s channel were he apologized for the voidraven bomber going up in points.😂 He took full responsibility for all Drukhari point increases. 🎉 Poor guy.😊

[@ffortman]

Great job.

[@pixl3l]

Thats 80pts of my current knight list ^^

[@hardrada8407]

Chimera not dead IMO. Now a bit less of a throwaway and need to get the value out of firing deck. Synergise with ogryn more now.

[@thelegendsmith3063]

Pacific rim is now what I'm calling my list

[@johnnywatkins]

Thanks as always for the great content guys

[@novembermike512]

Sternguard seem decent in deathwatch with a beacon angelis libby. Not sure if that's worth the points though.

[@solidsentinel1285]

No way gw for the first time ever didn’t touch our world eaters MOE, still shouldn’t be 100pts

[@Impgent]

Here we go again and give a whole lot of nothing to imperial agents 🎉 No matter how hard sisters got beaten up - no worry, you still won't be last in ratings. Your army rule got nerfed hard, but hey, at least you have one.

[@Swordsmansmith87]

Leontus is dead, there's no need for him and certainly not at 150. Just take tank commanders.

[@jb87rell]

Comments for the comment God!

[@eenis1281]

Leo nuts sucks. 150 for a cp? No thanks

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

Leo is still yeah I’m taking 1cp so basically 1 strat extra per turn. And 3 orders to tanks/vehicles is good enough

[@eenis1281]

@ then you have to take a squad, and a command squad to give those orders out. That’s like 270 points. I’d rather have a tank commander and extra points any day. Leo SUCKS

[@alexrowson-brown6568]

@ yes you can and should take tank commanders but you can take earthshaker or Medusa batteries too and tanks and 3 more vehicle units. This means you can have the infantry squad issue an order maybe to itself with mortars and the 5+ crit enhancement and rain death from afar And have Lord Solar able to not only farm cp but also send out 3 orders at range to provide plenty of buffs I think even at this cost he is must take Being able to order squadron or regiment makes him very auto include. It also means you don’t lose capacity to order if your tank commander dies or say the office model gets sniped

[@Areszvt]

“Sisters are in a good spot” as they get double knee capped with a 50% win rate.

[@astrolabe54]

They were 47% from start of November up until this dataslate...

[@swabilius]

I guess you have advanced copies of the Eldar codex with that sly laugh...mmmmmmmm, remind me in 3 months :)

[@ryanmarquez9404]

“Grey knights are good” and yet they aren’t. I remember everyone foaming at the gray knights index in the beginning and it came out and we had no damage lol