New Seiko MarineMaster 😱

[@dans.8217]

It’s not a bad looking watch but I don’t think it deserves the MARINEMASTER name. The design just seems confused. Also c’mon Seiko, it’s about time to design a better clasp and dive extension.

[@ClickSpringReview]

100% agree Dans

[@CanttReed]

It is mind blowing to me that they put this dive extension on watches. It is terrible. Every time I own one I say never again, but then I do it anyway 😂

[@ClickSpringReview]

@@CanttReed I've sold 2 MM300 and wouldn't go back anymore

[@vktravellog1242]

Agree this is not a true marine master

[@Ex.zed.]

Average bros has a post for you whiners!

[@philbooth5570]

Thanks for the review!! Great to see it in such detail and love your honesty. This looks great to me but the price is pretty eye-watering, in particular against the competition in the 2000-3000 range. (Hope we can see the new Longines Legend soon!) And I'm not sure how it is justified next to something like the SPB385 or 439, which you showed a while ago, besides the movement.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Cheers Phil , I do like the watch but it should carry the nickname of the Baby Marinemaster I think , I'd take the Sinn U50 over this and pocket the £500 difference

[@PraiseTheLordAlmighthy]

awesome watch.. will buy

[@ClickSpringReview]

I like it also, its a cool model from Seiko

[@earlbee3196]

Did you purchase the timepiece?

[@dustinr16]

It DOES NOT need to be serviced every 2-4 years. You service a watch when it starts running out of spec. Seiko literally swaps the movement for a new one as it’s too much time and labour cost to disassemble it and service the movement. So you’re just wasting your money servicing a watch at specific intervals as the whole movement just gets swapped when you send it to Seiko for a service. Lots of people own Seiko’s that still run perfectly fine that are 15-20 years old and have never been serviced. Service intervals are a scam. If it’s not broken don’t fix it.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Your thinking of R movements yes they get binned but this type get serviced, this is a 8 beat per second movement. leave a movement to long and you end having to replace so many parts to get in running correctly again, R movements people don't cave if they run 1 or 2 mins a day but this one should run to COSC specs

[@dustinr16]

@@ClickSpringReview Doesn’t run remotely to COSC. Seiko specs are -10 to +15 spd for the 6L37. Laughably better that a 6R35 at -15 to + 25 spd. Thats an insane asking price and you don’t even get a ceramic insert. You’re wasting money servicing it until it exhibits a problem. Since Seiko throws out the whole movement it costs the same no matter how many parts are worn out inside the movement. Only a local watchmaker would disassemble and service this thing. Seiko throws out the movement and throws a new 6L37 in. Fixed interval servicing is for suckers. It’s not like a car engine where heat and contaminents degrade the oils over time. Watch manufacturers tell you to service it every 3-5 years to make $$$$! Any watch maker worth their salt will tell you not to service it until it starts running out of spec.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Are you a watchmaker ? Because I am and this watch ran with in COSC across 4 positions, have you ever inspected a watch movement after the oils have ran dry ?

[@dustinr16]

@@ClickSpringReview Just because yours runs COSC doesn’t mean they all will. Seiko certainly doesn’t guarantee it nor do they bother getting it COSC certified. Not trying to pick a fight just stating the facts. Seiko throws out these movements. Look it up on their service site (replace movement with latest specification). So whether it has no oil and everything is worn down they just slap a new movement in if you send it to a Seiko centre. It’s too much time and labour to tear it apart. Anyhow it’s not worth half the price so I won’t be buying one. I started collecting in the early 2010’s when Seiko delivered excellent value. I still love them and their designs are great but their quality is not worth the asking price especially considering the QC issues of alignment and the irregular running of the movements.

[@KirilGeorgiev-hr4ol]

Hey, are you sure the bazel is ceramic, cuz some people says it is not, it is lacquered steal etc…

[@ClickSpringReview]

I thought it was ceramic but looks like I was wrong and its just heavily lacquered 👍🏻

[@KirilGeorgiev-hr4ol]

Thanks, but that means it could get scratched..?

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yep it sure could

[@KirilGeorgiev-hr4ol]

@@ClickSpringReview i wonder, when it get scratch then can it be polished?

[@ClickSpringReview]

I try it once on a MM200 and it didn't work

[@mastertcoaching4785]

Sorry haters, this piece is simply gorgeous! As a new "Seikoholic" I understand looking for certain previous specs but in my humble opinion this is a good buy: 1. That Blue is mesmerizing 2. Bezel looks awesome 3. the dimensions are best for smaller wrists 4. The case finishing looks just under Grand Seiko or King Seiko level! 5.I do agree that the bracelet is just ok but I'll be putting mine on rubber straps and might even get a blue padded alligator strap to bring those eye catching blues!

[@ClickSpringReview]

I do agree its a good looking model and very comfortable but they shouldn't of gone with MarineMaster on the dial , many people aren't happy with the price being it RRP is higher than the MM300 at £3K. What do you think ?

[@mastertcoaching4785]

@@ClickSpringReview I have never owned a Marinemaster so I don’t have an opinion on the rebranding but for those that do I understand…my first Seiko was a Grand Seiko (champagne dial) and I recently purchased the new King Seiko (black dial) so you can see why I like this blue diver! *note: Full disclosure, If my AD had a 62mas in stock I’d buy it in place of this even though it’s $3.5k! As far as heritage & looks go it’s better than the BB54!

[@ClickSpringReview]

The 62mas is a great looking watch but it would a tough call, at that price and size I'd take the new Sinn 356 Flieger Anniversary myself. Ive only reviewed a few GS models but turns out they don't like anything negative said about them so thats why I don't review them anymore ;)

[@bobzuidema3560]

true on everything but also 300m is the least when your name is marinemaster and a signed crown is mandatory at this pricepoint; a presage at 1/3 of the price has a signed crown...

[@ClickSpringReview]

@@bobzuidema3560 Many Seiko fan hate a signed crown , there was a big thing about it a few years back with the X on the crowns . As the original MM300 didn't have one

[@69fastfurious]

Good morning Barry ! Awesome Seiko ! 🥳 happy new year

[@ClickSpringReview]

Right back at yeah Happy new year! matey

[@TheCdM1981]

I personally got the limited edition version. The watch wears great. The bracelet is extremely nice. And I personally love it. I will say though I think people would’ve been happier with the 68 frame being used as the MM considering most already call it the MM200 or “baby MM.” If they just woukdve added the same refinements to the case, made that 300m and gave it the exhibition back with the 3 same finishes and coin edge bezel. I don’t think manny would’ve complained. I understand why Seiko made the 62MAS the MM name this year but it really should’ve been another slightly beefier watch but most are not going to understand how this is a “higher tier” than the new 62MAS coming in June that has a 70 hour power reserve and can go 300m deep while this is at 50 and 200. It doesn’t need to be serviced every 2-3 years. That’s a very conservative statement by Seiko. I have watches that have been 12 years now and keep perfect time. Nothing will happen if you service it at 5 years.

[@ClickSpringReview]

The 6L movement I'd take everyday of the week over the any of the low beat R movements, 2/3 does sound very low as you say, 5/6 years I'm sure they will be ok. As you say you can left a watch 12 years but if you wear it everyday Im 100% sure their will be no oil left in the movement and the pinions are just slowly wearing away and will need replacing at the next service

[@TheCdM1981]

@@ClickSpringReview that’s all theory. Some people say if it’s on a winder it keeps it better. Some people say if it’s not it keeps it better. There’s no definitive answer as to what dries oil inside the watch up fastest. Me personally I think movement does like you said but again. Unknown. And I never said the 6L should be swapped out for a lower 6R. I think they used the wrong case for the Marinemaster name. It should’ve been the 68 case considering that looks like a marine master in a 42mm form. But again I have the watch and it’s super nice. I just understand the complaints and believe if the did what I had suggested there would be little room to complain.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Being a watchmaker we get watches in after being serviced 5 , 7, or even 10 years + and after 5 years if your using modem synthetic oils like HP1300 and not the old D3 which many old boys use your going to be ok but leave it much longer and the gears end up running dry and thats when we see lots of wear happening and it starts to get very expensive for the customer. I personally don't use watch winders but I'm going to be review one next week lol

[@ShogunBey]

Hi @TheCdM1981, What accuracy are you getting with your limited model, seconds gained per day?

[@andrewmain8022]

For that sort of money the bracelet needs to be much much better with on the fly adjustment. Also servicing every two years steady on. On the plus side the watch looks amazing.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I'm pretty sure you could get away with a service every 3/5 years 🤔

[@setter55]

Looks ok but very odd to name it a marinemaster. A name associated with their high end dive watches. But good to see a higher grade movement, even though the 6L35 is just an upgraded version of the older 4L35, a calibre upon which soprod based the A10. Designed as an alternative to the ETA 2892 as it shares the same dimensions

[@ClickSpringReview]

Thats interesting and I didn't know that, I was thinking its there own movement plus now I know the correct lift angle for the movement, The 2892 is one of my favourite movements to service 👍🏻

[@Not-a-bot222]

@@ClickSpringReviewit is their own movement. The movement was originally created for Credor and its dress watches. SOPROD purchased the patent and created the A10 as an ETA alternative much like Sellita and SOPRODs Newton as well. The 4L, 6L and 8L are all great movements. I would easoer spend 3k on a 6L then an ETA 2824 in a Tudor or IWC etc…

[@ClickSpringReview]

@@Not-a-bot222 Cheers for the info Sir thats very interesting to know 👍🏻 I'd like to strip one down and see how it compares to the ETA2892 thats a solid movement I like

[@gregcarnall9097]

Great review, but for 3k i would expect much better bracelet and clasp and would also expect a chronometer movement. You also hold your breath that everything would align! I would rather pay an extra £500 and but a Tudor.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Thats a very fair comment Grey but I'm sure you can pick these up for 2.5k or even less

[@marshalljames2044]

I would be good if they did no date versions.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah that would happy clean up the dial for sure

[@carlogalopo2605]

It's much closer to a 62mas than a marine master

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah I have to agree Carl

[@sensible202]

For that price, is the end links loose?

[@ClickSpringReview]

No more than the standard MM300 are , thats why StrapCode does so will when it come after market Seiko bracelets

[@earlbee3196]

I want a Bob Where can I pick one up?

[@ClickSpringReview]

Bob is mine you can't have him ;) but he has friends over at dailywatch.co/en-gb/collections/watch-stands I have a discount code its ClickSpring15 👍🏻

[@earlbee3196]

@@ClickSpringReview thank you so very much for your reply and link to Bob's friends, I've got to pick one up.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Let me know if you get one 👍🏻

[@earlbee3196]

@@ClickSpringReview sure will do.

[@El-AYE-Ra1s3d]

It looks more like the 62mas reinterpretation

[@ClickSpringReview]

I prefer it to the 62mas

[@Z-S-H]

I think these are great looking divers (tho divers are not really my thing lol) I actually like the round date at the 4:30 because it doesnt mess with the hour markers I like my hour markers for a proper lume picture

[@ClickSpringReview]

It is a good looking watch and very comfortable to wear no doubt

[@subzero9460]

Happy New Year Barry. I’m confused why the movement needs servicing every 2/3 years when equally fine tuned movements from Omega, Oris and Tudor only need it every 5 to 10 years??

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah 2/3 years sounds a little over the top to me 🤷🏻‍♂️ ps Happy New Year 🥳

[@jono8884]

Beautiful watch but the date window is a major flaw...would be better either without or as you said a larger window at 3:00. Especially when it is small and hard to read. At this time, I have no idea why major watch brands are not using adjust on the fly bracelets on all of their watches. Micro and other brands use them on less expensive watches.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Being a Marine Master it should have one, the MM300 had one and was cheaper Jono

[@motogoriamarkuskinyua19]

Just Subscribed. Good review, well done.!!.Regards from Kenya,Africa.!!!.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Cheers Sir very much appreciate

[@josevasquez1781]

Solid review but this watch I dislike seems odd, I sold mostly all my Seiko watches from SLA037. 043, 039 and a few marine master and turtles. I do love my SJE093 on a quick release tropical strap though. I just tried on the new 42mm Blancpain in Titanium 23 and it's a home run and it's my next watch.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I'm a bit 50/50 in regards to the Blancpain I'm sure its an amazing watch but the hands look on the thin side , I dare say if I got to handle one in the metal I may change my mind, If you get one let me know how it goes Jose

[@josevasquez1781]

@@ClickSpringReview I'm almost ready, I tried on the gold and both T23 in blue and black and honestly I love all three but can't swing the 29+K fir them gold and it's not a daily wear. The blue is my choice it's sick and granted my collection is massive but I will downsize accordingly. I'll update you when it's on my wrist, oh BTW it try,y wears like a 41mm on my official 7" wrist.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Fair play, let me know how it goes Jose 👍🏻

[@snakepitsam]

Looks like a Speake-Marin Ripple dial texture. Marinemaster will always be Tuna to me.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I think its a good watch but its no MM300 thats for sure , I do still have a the Tuna the SBBN007 it a great watch

[@davidwatson3035]

It's not a MarineMaster. 300 meters? No. Monocoque design? No. GS grade movement? No. Unique bracelet? No. Shoddy from Seiko, very shoddy. Sticking the word on the dial doesn't make it so. And, HOW MUCH!!??

[@creepshow5144]

Agreed, pathetic.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah its true but I'd be interested to know more about the movement as I have a feeling it maybe better than the 8L35 used in the MM300

[@jaime4022]

They keep watering down the line. Seiko never ceases to disappoint. Apparently they discontinued the tunas as well.

[@hammalamiri12]

Why are you getting so angry David over a piece of jewellery? 99% of people don’t buy watches for any of the reasons you mentioned

[@wescobts]

Nice review

[@ClickSpringReview]

Thank you Wes

[@johnrb9397]

Thanks for sharing. I thought the bezel was a metallic insert not a ceramic. I have the previous blue bezel version in the 213 and it’s the same finish and material 😉. Btw what’s with the gold thing. It’s distracting what about a man and his watch book 😂

[@ClickSpringReview]

The 213 model is a great looking watch , but this one has the new 8 beats per sec 8L37 movement and ceramic insert, You must be new to the channel John, the fog has been with me for years now and a few of my subscribers have even hunted down there own ones LOL ps don't forget Bob the robot watch holder to

[@johnrb9397]

@@ClickSpringReview yep you’re right about the movement it’s not the 6r no questions asked there. I think the bezel you may be wrong no probs. Yeah I’ve seen the robot on a few channels ☺️

[@AcmeRocket]

The movement is 6L not 8L and the bezel is steel not ceramic.

[@johnrb9397]

@@AcmeRocket 👍 6L for the slimness so Seiko could fit clear case back. That was the complaint with the 23 62 mas reissue that it didn’t use the 8L like the SLA 043 etc.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah I think they copied me on that one I've had Bob for over 2 years now, with regards to the bezel I've only gone of Francis & Gayes website but its hard to tell John , The metallic ones are very easy to mark so I hope it isn't, my last MM300 had a ceramic which only makes it worst if it isn't , pay more get less 👍🏻

[@Huwberts_Emporium]

This is like when car manufacturers bring back performance car names such as Integra, Prelude, Eclipse etc and make them family sedans, EV's or SUV's - This watch is okay but certainty doesnt deserve the name or price tag. I've got an SLA023 and I'm eagerly awaiting the next rendition of the MM300 model to replace it with, praying Seiko doesn't give it this new "Marinemaster" treatment.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I'm sure there is going to be a mono block case coming soon, ps Mustang and Lotus SUV come to mind :)

[@sladkru]

The first Seiko Marinemaster was Quartz SBCN005 - came out in the late ’90s, not SBDX you keep referencing as the original. Seiko can do what they want with Marinemaster name.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Very true they can do what they want but it isn't going down well with the fans. I like the watch but Seiko is a big company who are talking to their customers it seems

[@giangvu7902]

It’s an interesting watch but not a replacement for the MM300.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Now thats a fair comment 👍🏻

[@simonwright6882]

I'm very surprised with the service intervals. Rolex movements are 4hz and the service interval is 10 years. That clasp is ridiculous at this price point.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Turns out Rolex service interval is 5 years but I know what you mean

[@simonwright6882]

@@ClickSpringReview If you Google it it says it is recommended that you service your rolex every 10 years. This is also what I was told by my ad this year when I collected my op 41.

[@ClickSpringReview]

The AD said the same to me but I was talking to some fellow watchmakers who work there and they said 5 years to me Simon

[@robertlock6041]

You're right Barry, it's a gorgeous watch, and it looks really comfortable. I hope that this movement justifies the price though, because this watch is priced at Oris Diver 65 Calibre 400 level, is more expensive than the Longines Hydroconquest models and Sinn U50, and is dangerously close to the Tudor Black Bay 54 and 58 watches. I'd rather pay a little more for a Black Bay model with 10 year service intervals and the toughness of an army tank, frankly... But this Seiko is gorgeous, nobody can take that away from it, and let's face it: the date window matches the shape of the dial 😉. Thanks Barry, I hope to be able to grill my local AD about this, and to see how it fits. Happy New Year (again) Barry, LG Bob 🍻🎉 Regarding servicing, could you not just monitor the amplitude to assess the need for maintenance? I appreciate, though, that water resistance might require checking every year, which is something else that the Tudors manage to avoid.

[@ClickSpringReview]

It is a super comfortable watch but so is the U50 at £500 less and yes your right about the amplitude , the date window looks like a afterthought to , take care matey and Happy Year to ya

[@carlsanders1320]

Aren’t Tudor service intervals every 3-5 years? I figured the 10-year intervals were a Rolex thing.

[@robertlock6041]

@@carlsanders1320 Not now Carl, I'm not certain about the 3rd party movements, but it's definitely the case for the MT series... 🙂

[@ClickSpringReview]

​@@carlsanders1320 I spoke to a friend working at Rolex and he said 5 years , but the AD said 10 to me

[@carlsanders1320]

@@ClickSpringReview interesting to know… I figured that they’d mirror Breitling’s service intervals given the origins of the movement.

[@josevasquez1781]

Nice watch but I agree that bracelet belongs on another watch not on this case design. The case while having subtle angels is rather simple and the bracelet is very busy and takes all the attention. Odd.

[@ClickSpringReview]

It was the same on the MM300, the bracelet just never matched Jose

[@josemourinho673]

coated bezel ??? why not ceramic

[@ClickSpringReview]

I thought it was ceramic myself but no idea why they went with this as a coated one is easy to scratch

[@josemourinho673]

@@ClickSpringReview yup

[@WristWatcher]

"Marine master was always 300m" - this isnt true. Marine master was first introducted on a Seiko Quartz Tuna. Thank you for the review as well

[@ClickSpringReview]

I agree the first one was only a 100m as I remember plus Fortis also have the rights to the marine master name

[@WristWatcher]

@ClickSpringReview I got what you meant, 99% of people when hear MarineMaster think of the mm300. So did you truly think this watch is above the "SPB mm200's " in quality comparison?

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yes as I prefer the 8L with its 8 beats per sec over any of the R movements but saying that it isn’t as good as say the a ETA2892 which is what you would normally find at this price point. The 8L still takes about an hour for the date to flick over were the ETA is instant

[@WristWatcher]

@ClickSpringReview once you see the date changing you know its gojng to change. I typically try sleeping way before 12 anyway. Thats the least of my worries. The 6L and 8L in-house movements by Seiko are masterpieces.

[@WristWatcher]

@@ClickSpringReview i was asking about this watch? If you thought it was of high quality?

[@erichg.6235]

Oh, Seiko, oh Seiko. This is not a Marine Master. Printing aMarinemaster on the dial does not make it a Marinemaster. It doesn't look like one, it doesn't have the specifications. A beautiful watch, no doubt, but not a Marinemaster. On the predecessor model, which is a "real" Marinmaster (300 m waterproof, crown protection, diving extension on the strap, monobloc), the Marinemaster imprint is omitted for whatever reason, and Marinmaster is printed on this model. Let anyone understand that. I cannot understand it.

[@ClickSpringReview]

No idea what they were thinking with this one 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@christianmills7728]

I can't agree more!!! Yes it's a pretty ish watch but it's no tool watch and comes nowhere close to the classic 300s. I just don't understand it at all either 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@ridewith7480]

Looks like SPB model. I prefer SJE 093

[@ClickSpringReview]

This has the same movement as the SJE 093 I prefer it also, but you getting a bracelet and display case back and better steel with its case hardening all for less with the Marinemaster

[@ridewith7480]

@@ClickSpringReview i will get sje093 and sbdx001... Haha i find this model confused... With 62mas look and MM text with caseback etc etc

[@ClickSpringReview]

The 093 I'm not sure about as the strap size is only 19mm and the SBDX I had but never got on with as they are very top heavy. I remember paying £1100 for a new from Seiko back in the day a New MM300 cost £3k now

[@TheKopolanpoika]

I hate the dial. And the price. I had MM300 but it's too thick, and it's make it very hard to use in every day watch. Sold that and bought SPB383J1 and that is BEST Seiko money can bought. The design is absolutely spot on, and it's sits like a glove.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I like the watch myself , and having owned 2 MM300 I completely agree with you I found the watch there to top heavy and so sold both. The SPB383 is a great looking model my favourite Seiko I have is my SPB083J1 Great Blue Hole

[@brianhutton2370]

Design isn't a MM ( i do like the size) - that's a no for me. I'll wait for the next one where they get it right

[@ClickSpringReview]

Thats fair enough Brian 👍🏻

[@wisamal-hakim5531]

Mmmmh. Forgive my naivety but I don’t understand the price point. The case is fine as are the dial and bracelet. The movement is a higher beat 6r35 with a lower power reserve. If it’s more robust with a dual suspension system why does it need a service every two years? Seiko are the kings of high value dive watches but this doesn’t seem to be one of them. It’s nice for sure but too expensive. You reviewed the Longines conquest a while back which was far cheaper and to me seemed to be a much nicer watch. The spb143 for me is much nicer and better value but I get they have very different aesthetics Interesting one for viewing thank you

[@ClickSpringReview]

I'm pretty sure the 8L37 movement would be 2 or 3x more expensive than the 6R is , I think its just a better more refined movement which is designed to be serviced and not just replaced at a service . I wouldn't take this over the Longines or even the Sinn U50 which is 500 cheaper. but I still like it :)

[@wisamal-hakim5531]

@@ClickSpringReview ah ok. As a watchmaker I can see the appeal. As a watch enthusiast/wearer I shy away from a watch that is advised to be serviced at such short intervals. Interesting take 😉

[@ClickSpringReview]

Thats a fair point Sir 👍🏻

[@gethinchristian]

This Hattori timelord is a total and utter shambles. A disgraceful pastiche that highlights all that is wrong with present day Seiko. Get rid of him immediately Barry.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah I think I was pretty fair in the review ,its good but it isn't a MM300

[@christianrivero446]

This is a sheiko shabmarinyer

[@ClickSpringReview]

its a shame not many people like this one as I think its pretty cool myself

[@andyholton7959]

I love this watch, I don’t even mind the date position, I just don’t have the money it’s a big spend, loved the review 👌🏻👍

[@ClickSpringReview]

Thanks Andy I thought I was pretty fair with this one and it is a bit pricey

[@MyZippy13]

They need to scrap the date and redesign the clasp. The black looks the best with the date. The others look cheap.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I like the date window as it doesn't mess up the 3 o'clock hour marker

[@esisolina]

I have the Black one and to me it has no date or has the date when needed. Strange the date is easy to read considering its so small. Overall a perfect watch in every way

[@ClickSpringReview]

@@esisolina I'm with you on that one there is far to much negatively regarding this model

[@esisolina]

@ ClickSpringReview True about all the negativity, but when I was researching this watch just before I bought it, it ticked all the boxes for me….regarding the so called negativity ? That made me want it even more as all the negatives were actually Positives for me :) I’m happy for all the owners of the REAL Marinemaster, good for them. For me this watch here is absolutely perfect in every way :) Thanks for reviewing this Fine Absolutely REAL MARINEMASTER :)

[@NFNM16]

Black is cool this one looks like it has personilty issues ...

[@ClickSpringReview]

I don't mind it myself

[@graack68]

This is not a marine master in my eyes and definitely not a reincarnation of the “old” 300m marine master! A marine master is a professional divers watch suited for saturation diving like the 300m marine master and the marine master Tunas! This is just a fancy 62mas! Boo 😒

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah it doesn't seem to be going down well thats for sure, will be interesting to see if its a big seller for Seiko especially at the price point

[@jasonwilson7674]

Doesn't look as good with those indices, got to be round for me

[@ClickSpringReview]

I don't mind them my self its just the date window looks wrong Jason

[@jasonwilson7674]

​@ClickSpringReview yeah, should keep it at 3 o'clock just like on the SLA021 which in my opinion is the best looking dive watch out there 😊

[@ClickSpringReview]

I went for the SLA023 as I just loved the blue , was a great watch but it just never sat right on my wrist so I sold it and got a Sinn 144 Anniversary model

[@jasonwilson7674]

@ClickSpringReview I tried the green version on in Whitby at Jura watches, and it didn't sit well but that was down to the bracelet, but I just loved the way it looked so tried the black on this year and got a very good discount and went for it, it's now on a waffle strap and sits well, definitely a keeper. I've stayed away from F&G lately as everytime I walk in there I end up buying a watch 🤣🙃

[@ClickSpringReview]

I swapped the bracelet out 3 times I tried a crafter blue first then a strap code Hexad and then ended up with a Strap Code Super Engineer this I found the best as it didn't trapper Jason . It can be dangerous going into Francis and Gaye :)

[@thriftshop2609]

Seiko does so many foolish things, micro adjustments never should be eliminated.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Being a diver it should have more adjustment

[@timemeasured9137]

Call this the marinemaster reduced

[@ClickSpringReview]

That sounds fair 👍🏻

[@RabbitWatchShop]

62MAS reduced? 😂

[@pitrajayapurnama5867]

I used to a big fan of seiko divers, in fact many of my collections are seiko divers from SKX to SBDX, from Monster to Tuna professional, however i am now more selective when buying a seiko divers, too many variants now, i think seiko has change its direction now which from personal POV its makes me confuse about too many models and too many LE.. all is prospex and has X logo on it which unfortunately dont like it (perhaps only me). Again about this model i think its not "appropriate" to bear marinemaster name though the design is cool, and what makes me more no on this model is when marinemaster collided with X logo on the dial 😂😂😂

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah I know what you mean , Seiko have more models than any other brand out there, just there LE models count for over 100 models a year its crazy

[@MrSteveESQ]

Sums up modern Seiko. Don't get it...

[@ClickSpringReview]

If they hadn't of placed MarineMaster on the dial it would of gone down well I think

[@jackn4853]

I've always liked Seiko but now they are falling behind the competition. The bracelet ( pin and collar?) clasp and cheap diver's extension, and that date window are awful for the price. Who needs a date on a diver watch? Dials look cleaner and less cluttered without one.As mentioned in another comment you are getting up to Sinn, Tudor etc levels and these companies offer much more for your money.

[@ClickSpringReview]

This is a tough one if they hadn't of but MarineMaster on the dial I think this would of gone down so much better than it has Jack

[@WristWatcher]

Anyone own this? Do you like it?

[@ClickSpringReview]

My Granddad brought one and really likes it

[@WristWatcher]

@ClickSpringReview did he really? Why did he choose that one, did he get a great deal or something 🤔?

[@ClickSpringReview]

He loves the blue dial all his watches have a strong colour dial theme to them, Oris Kermit , Red Longines and so on

[@WristWatcher]

@@ClickSpringReview what a badass 😎

[@slowbluesmaster]

Seiko these days: they talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I'll keep my SBBN043 MM 'Blue Tuna' close at hand. Just browse the comments at the Fratello review of this watch.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I have one of the original SBBN007 models myself 👍🏻

[@philstadnicki7882]

This is where I find Seiko infuriating. There's just confused design language everywhere, from the sea master like lines on the dial, to the terrible minute circular date window to the hands and 62MAS like case and indices. It bears no relation to the stone wall classic masterpiece that is the MM300. I just don't like it and am disappointed

[@ClickSpringReview]

It does like look they raided the Seiko parts bin with this one , it should be called the Baby MM200 Phil

[@antonc108]

There is only two real Marinemaster 300, the SBDX001 and SBDX017. The rest are all homages within the brand.

[@ClickSpringReview]

And yet none of them are the first to have ManineMasster on the dial

[@antonc108]

@@ClickSpringReview the first was a 90s quartz, but that never took off. The name was made famous by the sbdx001.

[@ClickSpringReview]

@@antonc108 I used to have the 001 back back in the day, it was a JDM only new it cost £1100 but sold it later I replaced it with SLA023 but ended up selling that one as I forgot just how top heavy they are, this one I personally prefer as it feels more comfortable on the wrist movement wise there isn’t much between them. It will be interesting to see if they bring out another mono-block case again

[@antonc108]

@@ClickSpringReview I had the 017, sold, regret and bought the quartz tunas to replace, but they could never give the same feeling. Eventually I bought back the 001. The original. Weight is not a problem, nowadays I buy watches for the memories and feelings that takes me back to the past. Looking at it brings me back to the 2000s+.

[@ClickSpringReview]

The overall weight I don’t mind it just the way the case sits as it feels like the weight is up at the top and the bracelet has really long links, I could never get it to sit right on my 7.25inch wrist. I have a Tuna the SBBN007 and enjoy it used to have the 013 all black model but preferred the 300m more so, I sold my last MM300 to fund a Sinn 144 Anniversary type 2 and love this watch

[@Hard_7_Iron]

Nope….thats not a Marinemaster to me! I like the unibody old school MM. This is a mod by Seiko only!

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yep its a cool model but its no MM

[@timemeasured9137]

Nice but not worth the price

[@ClickSpringReview]

I always find what Seiko ask and what you end up paying are to very different things :)

[@timemeasured9137]

@@ClickSpringReview Indeed….I like the bracelet but that clasp is a huge disappointment…..borderline deal breaker.

[@Anirossa]

The service interval is a cash grab, you can look up the service interval on 4R36s as well, it's total BS, especially when, if a 4R has issues under warranty, Seiko bins it and puts in a new one, as it's far cheaper replacing than fixing it. Seiko movements can go much longer than what Seiko wants their customers to do, and the tolerances in mechanical seikos are poor across the board. What makes them go on for so long, even if they don't run well, much like a 30 + y/o Ford engine.

[@ClickSpringReview]

A 4R36 no body excepts much from and as you say they just get binned , but this is movement are built last and perform. As you say you can run them for years without servicing them its true, but after so many years the oils run out and the metal starts to wear away and the dust from this contaminates other parts, you end up needing to replace many others parts and the costs go up and up sir

[@Anirossa]

@@ClickSpringReview Should still be no need to service it more often than at most every 5th year with the oils we have today, at least with the relatively loose accuracy Seiko gives, if the cosc accuracy swiss movements can make it longer than this seiko movement with also achieving better accuracy, seiko is doing something wrong

[@ClickSpringReview]

This one should be able to preform within COSC specs , even ETA 2824 and 92 really should be serviced around every 5 years or you end up replacing parts

[@1968jpy]

No I don’t think this watch is worth the asking price . To put the name Marine Master on the dial of this watch is a joke . Seiko is going backwards in my opinion and really hope there’s another real MM 300 with the Marine Master on the dial coming soon . Other than retiring the SKX line if Seiko kills the Marine Master 300 then I’ll lose all respect for Seiko as a watch company.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah I see where your coming from there, but I'm sure they will bring it back 👍🏻

[@praveennair9501]

that date window ruins it for me 🥴

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah it just doesn't work, feels like an afterthought ps welcome to the channel Sir

[@Hectorsdad]

I think Bob was wearing the better watch.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I do like the older MM200 GBH , I've had it from new matey

[@Anirossa]

For the price I find it pretty ridiculously poor in most aspects, especially with the movement, bracelet, the markers and it looking much more like a budget watch. The only upsides I see in this watch is the dimentions, but those you find in many other watches too, of course. I'm sure many seiko fanboys will love it though.

[@ClickSpringReview]

The I'd say the movement is a high point when compared to all the 6 beats per sounds 6R movements

[@Anirossa]

@ClickSpringReview Yeah, but the 6R movement has gotten hate for still being used at the 1000 euro + mark where high beat is the norm, having to go to the pricepoint of a Tudor Blackbay for Seiko to use a high beat movement is pretty ridiculous. But yeah, it would have been quite a meme if this watch had not been high beat at this price point. 😂 Hope it's going to become known for being really accurate and reliable, Seiko has something to prove in their capability of making a good automatic movement, again.

[@ClickSpringReview]

This movement has the potential to do this in all fairness

[@Anirossa]

Crossing my fingers it will @@ClickSpringReview

[@christianmills7728]

Sorry but NO NO NO. I'm a Seikoholic and love my watches but this can't be a Marine Master, it's a 200 for God's sake and in its recent iteration the Marine Master was always 300. Yeah we all call the 200s MM but let's face it, it's because we really want the real thing, the 300, and the 300 is magnificent. It doesn't even have a divers clasp, does it look like a tool watch - NO! It's dreadful. The 200s are not Marine Masters and nor is this one.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I like the watch Christian as feels more comfortable on my wrist than any of my MM300 ever did. this come easily be my daily were as my 300s always felt top heavy.

[@christianmills7728]

Oh don't get me wrong, that's totally fine; it's great that we all have different preferences and requirements. I just think this 'Marine Master' name issue will split the camp. Enjoy my friend, you can't beat a Seiko 🤷‍♂️

[@ClickSpringReview]

I was only a review item so I don't own this one so no worries 👍🏻

[@searchandsave142]

Disappointing and over hyped

[@ClickSpringReview]

I wouldn't say its over hyped, maybe the name Marinemaster is

[@caligulasen6028]

No,no and no! Bad move Seiko.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Yeah that seems to be the consensus

[@ultimaetsolder]

Looks like a fashion watch from Micheal Kors.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I wouldn't say that I personally think its a great looking Seiko plus so much more comfortable than the old MM300

[@Luke-w5q]

$2800 in 2024 for a -10 +15spd watch. With no certification, no antimagnetic properties. LOL. No thanks, I'm keeping the true Marinemaster SBDX001.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I had the new SBD001 in 2009 when they cost 1100 new and was a JDM model only , Now the improved SLA023 cost £2800. The SBDX001 is rated at -10 +15 and doesn't even have a Sapphire Crystal, Ceramic bezel nor case hardening as I remember The new SJE099J1 is also a ISO rated so has the same antimagnetic spec as the old one, I personally prefer its case size and bracelet but not the clasp Luke PS the true Marinemaster is the SBCN005 from the 90s 👍🏻

[@Luke-w5q]

​@@ClickSpringReview SBDX001 was released in 1999. I would expect a little bit more progress in movement performance made over 25 years than just cost cutting. Also 8L is a higher grade movement than 6L. Seiko Marinemaster Professional SBDX001 has a monoblock case with 300m water rating and originates from 6215-010 300m professional Seiko diver. It has nothing to o with SBCN005 which was NOT a Marinemaster Professional. It's from completely different lineup :) All that being said it's even hard to tell what Seiko is trying to do with SJE099J1. But whatever it is asking nearly $3k for this thing is a joke and a ripoff.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I'm a professional watchmaker Luke and looking at the movements there isn't much between them but in all fairness I've not stripped one down yet, Can you tell me why it's a higher grade ?, Wasn't the first watch Seiko ever named a MM the SBCN005? Do you think the SLA023 is worth 3K ? The MM isnt anything like the 6215 as that wasn't a mono block if anything the newer one is more like it Sir

[@shipmate3577]

That is NOT a real Marine Master. This watch is BORING and uninspiring.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I actually like it and remember the first Marine Master was a quartz model with only 100m of WR

[@technoboy21]

When I see the unsigned crown, I remember why I stopped buying Seikos. I hate their greedy and disrespectful behavior with their clients.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I find it 50/50 as some want the signed crown and many of the hard core fans don't

[@tomalophicon]

Good for manlets

[@ClickSpringReview]

Nothing wrong with the size I have 7.25 inch wrist and this I prefer over the MM300 everyday

[@FlyingEriksen]

New Seiko Marine Master = total money grab,- as all new Seiko releases these days...

[@ClickSpringReview]

I personally like it and I'm sure the new MM300 will cost even more

[@maitrehg]

Way too small for a real MM.

[@ClickSpringReview]

I personally find this one way more comfortable than the top heavy old model

[@ClickSpringReview]

It's not a GMT sir ?

[@ClickSpringReview]

This one costs more than the old model did sir, its only a 3 hander they never made a MM with a GMT 4th hand

[@iancraig6070]

Yet another Seiko watch which is far too expesive.

[@ClickSpringReview]

The movement is similar to the ETA 2892 and prices for them start at around 2k + so its not to bad price wise I'd say

[@iancraig6070]

@@ClickSpringReview The ETA2892 movement is £245 so where's the rest of the costs come from? Ripping off customers yet again.

[@ClickSpringReview]

Top grade is around £300+ Ian and everyone has to make a profit , The watch has a cool dial with applied marker's and good set of hands with top lume and a solid 8bps movement, I like the watch put its no MM300 that true but I do prefer to the 300 but thats just me and let's face it nobody is ever pays the full RRP for the watch anyway. Everyone wants a pay rise but nobody wants to pay for it

[@iancraig6070]

@@ClickSpringReview watch companies are profiteering. To pay so much for a mechanical watch when Chinese brands prove you can buy well made watches with good movements far cheaper. But if you believe the big brands advertising hype,good luck.

[@ClickSpringReview]

@@iancraig6070 You mean where the work force is paid peanuts and have no rights, and then they copy other companies movements which cost hundred of thousands to develop, OK 👍🏻

[@sdm107]

Seiko cloning their own watches again. How many variations of the same watch can they make? So dull

[@ClickSpringReview]

I liked this one as it felt really good on the wrist far more so then the MM300

[@ae-ca602]

Save your money and get a CW C63. You will get an all around superior watch. The bracelet and clasp on this watch are like something would come on a $200 watch. The dial has no seiko soul in it. Looks like something was made on a CNC machine. Biggest problem is, why the f**** did Seiko call it a MM?

[@ClickSpringReview]

I like the CW C63 but what makes you say its better , the Seiko has a special harden case , the 6L37 has a longer power reserve and some say its a better movement than the SW200, The Seiko has 200m WR and is a true diver plus the lume is superior. If you did have a problem with the Seiko you can pop it into a AD but the CW you would have to post of

[@petermartin9494]

Serviced every 2 to 3 years!!! No thanks. And the bracelet is cheap pin and collar junk.

[@ClickSpringReview]

The MM300 has always had pin and collar bracelets as they are can never come loose like screws can Peter put year 2/3 servicing is a bit over kill

[@petermartin9494]

@@ClickSpringReview Thanks, for your reply. I have worn watches with screw bracelets and never had a problem. They are just much easier to size. I agree, the 2 to 3 year servicing is extreme overkill.

[@ClickSpringReview]

@@petermartin9494 I always try and get back to everyone Peter not always easy at times but I do try 👍🏻 I’m the same regrading the screws but have known many people wear they have come loose

[@jaime4022]

Meh. Wake me up when he’s done with this boring watch’s review!

[@ClickSpringReview]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ianwalker4803]

Meh

[@ClickSpringReview]

What puts you off it Ian ?

[@ianwalker4803]

@@ClickSpringReview Hi , as other commenters have said, its a nice watch BUT its not really a marine master is it, Seiko (and I'm a big Seiko fanboy) has just slapped the name on a high end watch just like alot of car manufactures seem to be reviving the names of best selling Iconic models and slapping it on the latest crap euro box electric generic piece of sh*t they have made (Ford I'm looking at you ! ) Sorry rant over ! For me I want the Marine Master name on the best Professional diver, the glass case back needs to go and the bracelet really does let this down for a high end model, Citizen manage to put micro adjusters on their divers from the £700 retail price point, personally speaking I would be just as happy to loose the date window completely if this is a tool type watch like the Tudor Pelagos range but I realize that some people like this feature. Crown guards would be nice and if the date window feature was lost then the crown could be moved back to the Four o'clock position like some previous models. The size is a big win and the hands look great. Overall a nice watch, not a marine master and it won't tempt me, just not enough to grab me. Meh

[@ClickSpringReview]

Thats a fair enough comment , the old MM300 is in need of an upgrade I feel I've had two now and sold both. The bracelet links are to long the extent system is out dated compare to others like the Pelagos which is amazing but costs a lot more. The 8L movement accuracy is good but still takes an hour to change the date. Should be interesting to see if Seiko can come up with