New Su-30SM Flanker-H Vs F-22 Raptor Thrust Vectoring Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@franklincerpico7702]

It appears that all the acrobatics the Russian can do bleeds speed so much that eventually it becomes a sitting duck.

[@firebald2915]

" in ten seconds you're gonna explode if you don't explode the other guy. " Psychic? Hahaha

[@Nemo400]

It would be a much more interesting if you switch planes among the rounds. Let's say 3 rounds in a Raptor and 3 rounds in the Sukhoi. A fighter however capable or incapable it may be could display different performance in the hands of a pilot of you calibre. Looking forward to the same dogfight with you on the Sukhoi.

[@HenryAmador-r3t]

Can you do an F35 mission

[@aleksandarrudic3694]

@@franklincerpico7702It does not really matter which jet it is, if you are throwing airshow maneuvers and blow your energy recklessly, you will eventually become a gliding brick. The fact that you can do supermaneuverable stuff does not mean that you should, that is, you only should if you can capitalize on it, and if it fails, can recover from it. That's exactly why cobra, for example, has quite a high recommended initiation airspeed (something in the range of 600 - 800 km/h) - so that after the jet recovers from it, it retains enough energy to be usable. You can attempt it at 300 km/h as well, the jet will probably obey and give it to you, but afterwards you are just going to drop from the sky.

[@jbc242424]

That couldn't have ended any better.

[@CNCMatrix]

Or worse, depending how you're looking at it lol

[@MichaelGentry-le9nj]

“ underestimate your enemy you did..” - Yoda

[@Copter64]

Ended it with a bang

[@ot9er]

lol, that was "jamming the personal zone".

[@3ch0_17]

The only caveat to staying real close

[@yazi_b0i63]

"fuck gravity ima do shit my own way" - Su-30SM

[@jeremyortiz2927]

22 hours later... You almost went a full day resisting the Raptor vs Su30.

[@grumpy5.3]

@@SweatyFatGuy 🤓

[@nicholascollins4796]

​@@grumpy5.3bruh, it probably took him half the time to publish the video

[@grumpy5.3]

@@nicholascollins4796 It's a joke buddy cmon grow up a bit

[@nicholascollins4796]

@@grumpy5.3 idk where growing up is calling people nerds 🤷‍♂️

[@grumpy5.3]

@@nicholascollins4796 You've been living under a rock bud.

[@elliotvorndran]

Honest to God that second round came down to just shear thrust to weight ratio, beautiful fight

[@11Tits]

Not really. Su30 was already 60% of the way through his turn by the time the f22 even decided to pull. If they were not doing merge rule. Then the f22 would have clapped. If the su30 actually followed the merge rule the f22 would have just won instantly… (like not pre turning 50% your turn)

[@jswjr6001]

Yeah can't imagine when every aircraft has lasers that can at least destroy electronics and radars if not damage aircraft in a 360 no min range wez

[@tropicthndr]

It’s not even dogfighting anymore, it’s just two space x rockets flicking their nozzles back and forth around each other. Might as well have a race to see who can land tail first on the ground.

[@acedogboy8421]

@@11Titsfalse. In the first fight gs turned first. The su was giving him the same treatment.

[@11Tits]

@@acedogboy8421 what are you on? The su30 was clearly already in a turn before that merge.

[@GimmeDaBacon]

The ending 😂 “ayo watch your jet WATCH YOUR JET!”

[@Alextr1]

Famous Fox-4, never lets down

[@James-bv6tz]

iconic😂

[@awoekhn7421]

That final round, the ol reliable "fox 4".

[@randomguy-vn5cy]

lmao

[@Pyreax865]

I think the SU-30 had the advantage just because the pilot kept lead turning, in most of the rounds the SU-30 was already 50%-60% done with the turn before you even started turning, and you still kept up which is impressive. It seems to me like you waited for the merge to fully happen and the other guy didn’t wait and kept lead turning.

[@11Tits]

Lead turning doesnt look like this. Lead turning means you are starting to turn just as you reach the merge not a few km back

[@arkadious9320]

Yeah most of the rounds the SU30 was starting to crank his turn before GS would giving him an advantage

[@SuperSirianRigel]

Yeah I noticed the other dude was kinda being cheap like that. But GS didn't say anything about it so it's whatever I guess. lol.

[@Schimiter89]

Yea I was thinking the same thing

[@koelekahuna9370]

Possibly put a 3-5s limit on turning from the merge?

[@TruckerGerry]

Yeah, your opponent consistently begins turning before he gets to the merge but all in all, very tight turning for the SU-30. I would have really liked seeing the Tac-view on all 5 rounds. Thank-you for the awesome videos!!!

[@Francisco_CS]

That's what I saw too!

[@peatbogg3688]

Agreed. I'd love to see the missile track from that first round.

[@SuperSirianRigel]

Yeah. I guess GS didn't notice or care? Idk. Seemed like the other guy was being a bit cheap. lol.

[@NationChosenByGod]

The F-22 nose point is faster than any flankers.

[@movedon20000]

ever heard of syrian lead turn?

[@darkphoenix2]

What are dogfights going to look like when aircraft become capable of instantly pointing their nose anywhere without falling out of the sky? These two are nearly at that point already and it seems way too risky for real world situations.

[@yawningkitty457]

Thats why we are moving away from piloted aircraft and it will only get worse once they manage to make beams weapons small enough and powerful enough to mount on a plane.

[@lewiswatchorn7239]

Rear firing missiles...

[@TFY-v8l]

Thats why the Raptor was designed to kill you before it comes to a dogfight lol

[@42ZaphodB42]

​@@yawningkitty457At that point maneuverability will become pointless since lasers are literally just light weapons. No travel time since its instantaneous effect.

[@JAEUFM]

I am waiting for some genius to design some sort of radar system that will give a missile positive tracking from the aircraft to the hostile no matter how the launching aircraft might be orientated.

[@3.9L_V8]

These dogfights are almost like WWI dogfights again, the two opponents are so close you could probably reach out and try to punch the other guy! Great flying by the Su-30, watching his missile almost do a full loop to hit you post-kill was a surprise

[@youtubasoarus]

LOL so close they could open the canopies and slap each other 🤣

[@andersjjensen]

@@youtubasoarus A battle axe should be standard issue for pilots! :P

[@robertdevito5001]

I believe a left hook was what he was going for in that last round.

[@ian_lewono]

I'd love to see a bandit unknown with the new flanker

[@FishNamedWall]

but then the bandit would be known, its a flanker

[@localracer]

Ahh the return of the “leaf falling from a tree” dogfight. From the grave

[@dweldredge]

Striker seems to be jumping the gun just the tiniest bit by turning before the actual merge to give himself an edge in getting his nose around... ;)

[@Spec-FiveCarr]

Wasn't there a derogatory maneuver term for that? Something like "a Syrian Cobra"? It was disadvantageous because it got the offending aircraft too slow in front of your nose for an easy kill.

[@malb1035]

I’m the first and second round I think the raptor could’ve just gun killed from behind both times because he was so early, but whatever to get an advantage against a 5th gen

[@johnbessemer3777]

My thoughts exactly. Either a bit of hubris, or humility on the part of GS to allow it in all but the final round. That last round GS committed to the merge about the same time.

[@alolanrichu1167]

your thinking "syrian lead turn" @@Spec-FiveCarr

[@Daniel-iq5oo]

He hurts himself more by doing it then its helping him, beacause he himself minranges his missels.

[@cs12382]

I like that the F22 has a hide the body feature after being shot down

[@gibster9624]

Taking getting the point to a whole new level with that final round. The SU-30 quite literally got the point.

[@jaspyjiindust.9227]

crazy how much of a fight the Su 30sm puts up! also this video was VERY tense!

[@Hyposonic]

This highlights the irony of 4.5+ and 5th gen fighters. They maneuver well, but the speed is just above stall--making the engaged aircraft an easy target for any wingmen sitting a mile or two away.

[@mitchjames9350]

It really comes down to the pilot.

[@lvthtxusa]

I agree that while one pilot is dancing, prancing, and stalling for position, the best wingman will get the kill...

[@RogCBrand]

@@lvthtxusa A bit like Indiana Jones just pulling out his pistol and shooting the man with the amazing sword skills.

[@Hyposonic]

@@mitchjames9350 It really comes down to a guy standing on a building beneath these two with a Stinger.

[@rickwalker2]

Exactly. That’s why super-manoeuvrability is often said to be for airshows only. It’s good fun watching a 1v1 with it though.

[@khoatran-sv7je]

That archer looping around on round 1 really surprised me, fantastic kill! I'm sure even GS wasn't expecting it 😊. Lovely mutual kill at the end.

[@fatsamgr]

Mother of all dogfights, happy new year!

[@christopho3255]

Seems like the Su-30 initiates his turn long before you merge but perhaps I I'm missing something. The Su-30SM and flanker in general is one of the best looking fighters ever imo.

[@ricsim78]

For me, The F-22, F-15, Eurofighter Typhoon, and SU-57 are the best looking. The flankers look really good too, but with closer inspection, they have a lot of stuff jutting out of the fuselage that kind of uglies it up a bit. The F-15 EX II with the black paint is really awesome looking. I prefer the US "clean fuselage" look.

[@bogey_dope_ae]

It's happening all the time, when GS flew Flanker, Hornet did that too and like almost any other fight.

[@acedogboy8421]

Ga turned first in first engagement

[@airadve]

in your dogfights you should swap planes to negate pilot error, i feel like you seem to win the fights more often than not

[@hatoffnickel]

You're so good at bfm that it's hard to gauge the effectiveness of the bandit and its unknown pilot. I wish you would fly the underdog in these videos

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Well I would argue it’s the plane more than me, but also this fight was only possible in this way because the thrust vectoring model of the f22 is “private” and I’m not allowed to distribute it, so in this fight I can only fly it, can never fly against it. I do wish that could be different though.

[@antonyvalverde437]

​@@GrowlingSidewinder Oh that explains a lot, thanks for the clarification.

[@hatoffnickel]

That makes sense, thanks for clarifying. I love watching your fights with the most bfm problems to solve. Happy new years dude

[@aturboford1]

@@GrowlingSidewinderwould still love to see you retry the Super Hornet matchup as the underdog and how lopsided it would be the other way round

[@Dralaios]

7:38 Such a cinematic view of the F-22 turning in for the kill.

[@zhenbintoh7253]

Just imagine you witnessed this fight on the ground...

[@truthseeker9454]

2:59 - What I find really interesting is that Fox-2 didn't go for the fireball the Su-30 made. If it would go for a flare, why would it fly past that to hit the F-22? 🤔

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

It’s maybe using optical image guidance of some kind, these are at the end of the day very new and modern missiles they have a high degree of countermeasure resistance.

[@truthseeker9454]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Good point, and likely the best explanation if they have that modeled in DCS. Thanks for taking time to reply, and for another edutaining video! 😃

[@idioluh5838]

@@truthseeker9454 the best explanation is "it's modelled in DCS in such a way so missile always homes on it's original target, with some possibility of going towards flares instead. Any other possible targets aren't calculated". In reality, it would've almost certainly hit burning flanker. That's why such a "feature" for fox-2 is not only useless, but dangerous.

[@truthseeker9454]

@@idioluh5838 "It's modelled in DCS in such a way so missile always homes on it's original target, with some possibility of going towards flares instead. Any other possible targets aren't calculated." I'm not convinced it's that simple. I've seen plenty of Fox-2s in DCS go for the Sun.

[@somewagyuenjoyer]

It's because archers sometimes get a mind of their own and choose to hit no matter the consequences

[@Orca19904]

10:45 Ay bro watch yo jet, watch yo jet! *BAM*

[@lukesummers2446]

Do you think a raptor can fit in a two car garage? Asking for a friend.

[@oddy1637]

no

[@Leo-e3j7o]

Raptors are huge, 65ft in length and 40+ft in wing span.

[@jreyman]

No, but there are neighborhoods literally built around an airport runway so you can fly directly to and from your home... They just have hangars in the back yard, or home-like living quarters within a part of the hangar.

[@trey1477]

Depends, are talking bout the fighter jet or the pickup truck?

[@EthanJaye]

The Raptor is big. You'd want an even bigger garage than that, preferably bigger than a tennis court.

[@johnsmiff8328]

Say what you will, 3D thrust vectoring looks amazing

[@btheis2]

Just what I needed

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

Su-30 is my favourite flanker. F-22 is my favourite fighter. That was unreal to watch that fight and scary how the missile came back around and kicked you up the ass. Love how both those fighters look. Just thought I would say, I thought he was in the merge already turning way before you in that second round. Not sure how it makes a difference, but you still got a gun kill on him. Again man, taking a jet out with a jet is commitment. Bloody great video man. Much love to the channel bro.

[@montyx2333]

Famous last words: "Splash one, splash on-" F-22 GS (c.a. 2023)

[@lewiemotorsports3616]

GS pulled a mihaly : i want to understand my enemy

[@markopolo9718]

Nice to see the Raptor have to work for its food. Absolute slugfest between two amazing birds.

[@bb-bricks3040]

I feel like the Su-30 was getting an unfair advantage by starting its turns before the merge, by the time GS merges he's already halfway done with his turn. Even with that, it was impressive GS was able to survive on most of those rounds, but on round 4 I don't think he would have gotten hit if the Flanker had waited for the merge.

[@immelmannace4067]

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.

[@CallSignVaderDCS]

That isn't considered cheating because that is how you jam the WEZ. I'm sure if you see some of the videos you'll see GS doing the same

[@jmnapigkit]

@@CallSignVaderDCSsu30 knows that he’ll lose in turning that’s why he used syrian lead turn

[@lightningstrike5024]

@@jmnapigkit its called being a skilled pilot

[@jmnapigkit]

@@lightningstrike5024 Good thing GS permit enemy to use syrian lead or GS would have put aim9x on him while doing syrian lead turn lol

[@remigoldbach9608]

I was waiting for this video !! It will be interesting to see those beasts dogfighting !

[@ShovelMonkey]

Let's see this sight with the YF-23. I am curious how well it's shielded exhausts would perform.

[@jbc242424]

I knew this video would be on its way, but SO SOON?? Awesome.

[@rajat9619]

Best dogfight sim video ever, u guys finally hugged each other at last 😂🤣😆😁😝

[@lpvonsmonketv]

The Su-30 The su-30 or rather the pilot is not really experienced with the plane, can that be? I mean, he doesn't even shoot with his on-board cannon, although he had the chance to do so several times, but relies fully on his missiles.

[@ex-subsailor3480]

Okay, now lets see a BVR fight with the same match up.

[@tomcline7528]

Every time the su turned way before the merge and that was what gave him first shot advantage

[@NationChosenByGod]

Because the raptor would point its nose faster every time both aircraft merge.

[@nicolaskrinis7614]

GS, probably one of your best productions. I watched this many times over, it's a classic, great work!

[@csjrogerson2377]

The Su30 was always half way through the turn before the planes got to the merge. Lucky your were not killed in the 4th round as the Fox 2 exploded directly above the cockpit. 7 planes destroyed in 5 fights. Dont often see that with GS.

[@chrisvaughan2462]

F22: we gonna win the last one Su30: over my dead body, literally!

[@MxerEdits]

In the second round if on of those missiles had just detonated the Su 30 would have won. Anyway I love both planes but I am a flanker guy and it makes me happy to see it still great like this.

[@TomScott__]

That last battle is what I call "staying close". 😊

[@pale_2111]

I smell a 4.5 Gen boss fight coming up with the F-15EX.

[@cockatoo010]

The EX doesn't have TV. It does have an improved FCS, but it's not likely to be as maneuverable as a 22 I'd expect it to be a bit better than a 15C though

[@pale_2111]

The EX has digital flight control, which increases the AoA. It would be interesting to watch both in BVR and dog fighting. The EX will probably have the edge in BVR.

[@kaned647]

It is the coolest to see fighters merging! Watching these types of videos is why I got dcs

[@XTXImperator]

Great video GS! Striker in the SU-30 really put up a great fight against you, well flown by him! But it seems that the F-22 can keep pointing its nose at the Flanker due to its more modern airframe and more powerfull engines (Greater T/W) so the mighty Raptor edges out in that regard.

[@spinningsquare1325]

Su 30SM is a more recent design. I would say its the engines

[@ropenka30]

The Su-30SM2 has a more powerful engine that gives it 40% more thrust which increases the Su-30s T/W ratio. Would be interesting to see the outcome of that.

[@mitchjames9350]

More to do with the pilot than anything else, his opponent could have given himself space to prevent being jammed as we saw in round 4.

[@niksonrex88]

@@spinningsquare1325how is it a more recent design? Is an upgrade of an airframe from the 70s my dude.

[@Aem2512]

I just wanted this SAME dogfight in the previous video. LOL to viewers who wants “X vs Y” videos for straight 2+ months.

[@flipadavis]

Maybe I'm seeing things but it seemed like a few merges he was pulling hard before the merge while you were waiting to pass before pulling. That gave him a huge advantage. If you would have responded in kind and immediately started turning into him he would have been toast.

[@Narsheo]

yeah it looks like the su-30 is turning way earlier

[@acedogboy8421]

False. And first round gs merged first.

[@jmnapigkit]

@@acedogboy8421you should look again

[@Mycr0bi]

The last one ooops! :D :D Majestic figths, thanks!

[@StlrNtn95]

In round 4, he had already turned to point his nose before you had even began turning or the two planes crossed paths. 🤔

[@Salty_Balls]

You really stayed close to him that last round. Like really hugged him even.

[@joelwall13]

Is it just me or is that su30 pulling way to early in the merge?

[@Golgi-Gyges]

A lot of people are noticing that

[@RSAgility]

Crazy stuff 2:48 The perspective of the town below witnessing that nonsense is hilarious to imagine

[@sogerc1]

The last round gave me a good laugh 🤣 GS, would you consider doing this fight from the Sukhoi? I think you could do even better.

[@sana-cm7oc]

That was bad ass. We need a rematch.

[@KaidoBlox_V4]

The flanker was turning before the merge every time, really cheeky

[@JC130676]

10:08 Where have I heard that before? "I'm a leaf in the wind, watch how I - ARGH"

[@joegoveia6499]

Why is he turning 1/4 mile before the merge? I've seen the syrian lead turn but that was a bit much. He should have had an AIM-9 or guns on him the second he turns.

[@Kathyoftheglade]

"oh.......hey....." that was awesome.

[@SnubDisphenoid]

[@Leo-e3j7o]

[@jdewitt]

Aaaassand there we have the 1st clip for next year's "Best Of" reel. Loved it!

[@f4zek]

Very thense video indeed! You showed that the F22 can kill the flanker. But why am i suspecting if you would have been the flanker pilot, the scores would have been reversed? Next video have to be you flying against the raptor! :)

[@johanbtheman]

Nah, you get what you pay for with GS, he can make RU win if you want. In the last video he shot down 6x f16 with an su57 lol

[@Telyzan]

My mouth fell open and my eyes went wide on that last round! NEVER expected that outcome!!

[@botondkalocsai5322]

This video made me extremely curious how the YF-23 would fare against this bestial SU-30SM in turn fight.

[@phil-1115]

That is a good question. The F-22 struggled against the YF-23. It would be interesting.

[@kelvaris1]

That is one of the best vids you've done. Thank you.

[@somedude1841]

The 3 d trust vectoring will make you slow.. Part of the reason the f22 has only 2d trust vectoring to maintain speed and also masking ir signatures

[@macrossMX]

You can see the design philosophies of the two countries from the aircraft itself. The F-22 is still carrying over a bit of the energy-maneuver theory in its design, and uses 2d TVC to allow the aircraft to turn as tightly while maintaining its plane of travel. the Su-30SM goes all-in with supermaneuvrability to give it the best control at all angles at the cost of energy by being able to deviate its nose from its plane of travel.

[@1MileOut]

1:48 Never seen anyone get deep-sixed so hard they made the Fonzie sound! 😂

[@Dyrdeksk8r]

he was definitely merging earlier than you were, giving him an advantage. ended up not mattering most of the time, but still

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Yup, and he was right to do it. Gotta give yourself whatever advantage you can get.

[@Mike_Romeo]

Imagine wars are fought fairly

[@realitysux_0128]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Bravo for that ending GS👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Bravo

[@doge8430]

Aaaand... Splash 1 Sukho- *WHAM*

[@jbrowne9381]

"Let's finish this with a kill..." Mission accomplished.

[@pheonix993]

That last round ends like a movie I have a feeling you shoulda made a whole "I'm back!" Animation to join it

[@firebald2915]

I see... Bandit comes in slow to the merge, goes nose up-ish and kicks the ass around and aims by lowering the rear and staying inside your turn circle. Works great once with Fox2. After that, bandit is a slow leaf going into target mode. Twice. Third time is the charm. Bazinga...

[@fqeagles21]

That’s why 2D has less drawbacks

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya also the su30 is famous for having its ass slip out in turns the more it tries to do those super tight radius turns, really good for 1 turn though but after that u gotta catch ur ass as it tries to drag u down.

[@zentriel]

Well that's definitely going out with a bang!!! excellent video thanks again GS!

[@ascherlafayette8572]

Hi G.S, would you please put links to the mods you use in the description? Sometimes it's hard to tell what versions you're using, where to find downloads, whether the build is private/public release, etc.

[@CrocodileBullet]

Splash of the year🎉. You do a fantastic job, 👊

[@SPIN_89]

I audibly gasped out loud at that last kill. Now everyone in Buger King thinks I have an issue 😂😂

[@kcmsterpce]

Amazing video. Some fun surprises! "I am a leaf on the wind... watch how I soar!"

[@smith7602]

Am I missing something, or is the bandit turning before they fully merge?

[@cockatoo010]

Yes. You usually lead turn at the merge, otherwise you're giving angles away. But you have to know when to lead turn, cuz if you do it too early, you'll give them your 6 for free

[@oddy1637]

Syrian lead turn.

[@JAnx01]

It's not frowned upon in the DCS community because it carries its own risks.

[@worldbreaker1023]

Spectacular! Happy New Year!

[@lewiswatchorn7239]

Have to say, that Flanker pilot was jumping the gun a bit on his pull-halfway around his turn before you officially merged.

[@magnanimus9692]

That moment made me proud to be a Syrian.

[@emp2312]

Great Dogfight! Now, let's get some YF-23 Dogfights with you in the cockpit! Love the close range fights!

[@Issi808]

Your opponent was already halfway through his turn AT the merge, so ofc he's going to have the first shot. Dude's cheating.

[@Gyges333]

Genius last round. Thats my thumbs up!

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Pilot training and experience plays a big part of the fight. Russian pilots averaging 8 hours a month doesn’t compare to US flight time.

[@vortex8640]

🤡

[@jmnapigkit]

@@vortex8640can’t have a proper response cuz it’s true? lol

[@vortex8640]

@@jmnapigkit Make up your own fairy tales and believe in them yourself lol

[@jmnapigkit]

@@vortex8640 nah there’s no lol here cuz it’s true, USAF has more flight hours than the entire russian airforce lol

[@vortex8640]

@@jmnapigkit Where did you get this information from?

[@0neBadRabbit]

There are few phrases I hear that are guaranteed to make me smile. "Into the merge, here" is one of them. 😊

[@B14ckic3]

If Striker used gun mostly the result could have been a lot different.

[@jamesonburke7981]

These duels are spectacular! I'm literally making popcorn for these fights!

[@seaverrubadeau2498]

You could honestly gun him before the merge. He was starting his turn WELL before you merged

[@SplashJohn]

Okay, I gotta admit I laughed out loud at the conclusion. Highly entertaining, thanks GS!

[@billwalker9509]

Su 30 cheats every time starting his turn before the merge.

[@PracticalRecycling101]

Great fight. Really entertaining. Thank you.

[@victorvanhouten]

Imagine a F16 with 3D trust vectoring…

[@ahuman2954]

The silence after last collision 💥😂 was awesome 😊

[@Nemo400]

Clearly the Sukhoi would have outmatched the Raptor in every round if it had been flown by you. That was 5 rounds of pure terror.

[@11Tits]

The f22 was only turning after the merge how ever the su30 was turning wayyyy before the merge every time. The F22 would have dogged if the su30 followed the merge rule. Or the f22 just pre turned and also played dirty.

[@mr.blueitachi5258]

The ending be like "Watch your jet bro WATCH YOUR JET.."

[@UzairW]

The Sukhoi was definitely maneuvering even before the merge, not really respectful of the rules of dogfighting in this context. He couldn't have scored the missile kill in the fourth round if he merged properly, as GS did y starting the turn AFTER the aircraft pass each other. Hell, the Su-30 completed half a rotation at the merge. We need another match with correct merges.

[@lazyviolinist3418]

It's kinda crazy. These aircraft are so maneuverable and capable of jamming the WEZ that you almost have to go for guns. Even these modern missiles can't keep up.