New Testament Accuracy and Why We Have Multiple Denominations | Dean-NC | Atheist Experience 24.12

[@coffeemachtspass]

The irony of explaining the Telephone Game for 25 minutes to a guy on an actual telephone, and he STILL garbles the message.

[@kobe51]

Great point!

[@superjervis]

Lol

[@SimonWoodburyForget]

Why do theists tend to belive they have such a good memory?

[@kenthazara5477]

@@SimonWoodburyForget delusion

[@chrisccc22]

We are to believe that people remembered the entire bible verbatim in a period in time, when 99% of the population was illiterate? Literally sheep herders.

[@robsawalker]

To paraphrase Monty Python: “Speak up! Can’t hear a bloody thing!” “What did he say?” “Blessed are the cheese makers I think?”

[@jmaniak1]

Well, obviously, this is not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

[@Stasiaflonase]

Praise Brie!

[@davidburroughs7068]

Hilarious video available on yt with two of the actors on an English talk show with two religious representatives.

[@johnmcclelland649]

Come on, let’s go to the stoning.

[@RB-zh1eq]

I used to be a leper.

[@thomasowens5824]

Dean is so typical... can't recall words over a couple of minutes but defends ancient goat herders abilities.

[@danielzunigagutierrez6300]

Lmfao.

[@normkeller2405]

Maybe we should herd goats and be converted? 😊

[@denisegerlach1454]

So very true. How ridiculous these Christians think. So indoctrinated.

[@BootBizarre]

That analogy of the teacher giving the lesson to four students and having _THEM_ teach the reset of the class instead of the teacher was AMAZING! 👏👏👏

[@daverobertson623]

"he could've given the sermon on the mount more than once" legendary

[@strongblkwoman3930]

Ikr!!! 😆😅🤣

[@guytheincognito4186]

🤣🤣👍

[@ramospk]

He probably did. The case is that for someone to memorize it, he would have had to purchase tickets for many shows.

[@RickGaudreau]

The Bible is very accurate, especially when thrown from short distances. ;-)

[@ramonroman8076]

Rick Gaudreau----YOU ARE A GENIUS!!! I have never laughed so hard.

[@christopherseton-smith7404]

Spoken like a man who sounds like he regularly argues in hotel bedrooms.

[@alfhelder]

my friend loved that phrase

[@daviddegroff1689]

☺

[@christopherseton-smith7404]

@dicax I wasn't aware a "counter-argument" was required. Rick's comment seemed humourous, and my comment was also meant to be humourous,. It obviously failed in your opinion and that of several others. So I'll wear sackcloth and tear my hair out.

[@Codswallop58]

It occurs to me that we have actual film of the JFK assassination, massive investigations along multiple lines of inquiry, dozens of documentary films, thousands of books and articles, testimony from eyewitnesses who are still alive today, and no one can agree on what happened just 57 years ago.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Or rather that some (not “no one”) disagree with the accepted story. But I agree with your point.

[@OfficialSapphirePhoenix]

I'll do you one better...9/11...broadcasted LIVE around the world...witnessed by millions in NY and people lost REAL family and friends...yet we have so many people who can't agree if it was an inside job by the government, religious extremists, etc...many of us were alive to also see it but still just 20 years ago and look at all the documentaries, films, and debates around those few hours...yet I'm supposed to take the world of sheep herders and fishermen 50 years after the so called events happened and imagine WORD FOR WORD accuracy???? Fuck out of here...Matter was right to cuss that dude out and like a baby...just hung up cuz he couldn't even make sense of his own position...completely clueless

[@shrags1]

True true. But in our uneducated climate we live in a conspiracy prone society. But you said it well, and it speaks to Matt's point on the oral history. I just wanted to get that in there

[@mikeflannery7905]

In Ireland we have stories about the Banshee, a ghost lady that cries at the passing of people... for years I've heard stories of people who knew people that heard it, usually from years ago when people were superstitious. Imagine me now writing it down as fact and two thousand years from now people worshipping the Banshee..

[@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl]

​@@mikeflannery7905I'm bored, I already do. 😉

[@frankmachin5438]

This guy is the worst sort of apologist. Rings up pretending to be all reasonable then starts crapping on about ‘free will’, and wets his pants when someone curses at him.

[@jason423234]

Yeah these Christians love to cry over naughty words when they are getting their ass kicked in a debate.

[@user-hr8pz6lh5w]

All is vanity. unless your a heathen

[@VaughanMcCue]

@Barthelemy Bart Simpson!

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@joejordan9614 I think that is why x't'ian YTs have their comments off as it protects the gullible from hearing other information. If you are a believer, note that you can make comments here. All thanks to the power of the FSMonster whose grace protects the AxPofA.

[@mikej8951]

@@joejordan9614 he put him on hold to clarify and make the kid understand where he was coming from since the kid was the one going off on tangents while dodging the question.

[@heatherlee194]

This show has helped me so much with my religious trauma. Listening to Matt just destroy these people with logic makes me genuinely happy.

[@blatherskite3009]

Logic is the cure for what ails them :)

[@Miodrag.Vukomanovic]

Yeah but if you don't believe Jesus died for your sins and is your savior, the holy father will torture you for all of eternity. He did give you free will, so you choose !

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@Miodrag.Vukomanovic : How is it even "free will" if we choose to not believe, but then get tortured in hell for exercising that choice?

[@arko.0.1.]

@@anonymousjohnson976 thats his point

[@slimjim227]

Religion obviously makes it’s followers logic proof. Just another side effect of the religion virus.

[@breakupnotdown]

21:34 I spit out my coffee because I realized the back and forth regarding his misunderstanding the question is just a better metaphor for why we can't trust worth of mouth (the telephone game).Then the mic drop. I love this show

[@2BachShakur]

The words “potty mouth” come off as so infantile and condescending, like something a pre-school teacher would say to a child.

[@gliblyaware]

Exactly right. It's an attempt to discredit someone's character by something that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with someone's character.

[@jursamaj]

That's exactly what it is: he thinks he's teaching Matt.

[@munstrumridcully]

I am still waiting for someone to explain exactly what makes bad words "bad". Is it their meaning or connotation? Then what about synonyms used to avoid the "bad" word but mean and connote the exact same thing? The term "vulgar" used to mean "of the common people"...

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Given the Bible has 'whore' in it, too...

[@emteemac]

Gee whiz, Wally. I hope Dean doesn't put Matt and Shane in timeout.

[@Cellidor]

All knowing, all perfect god...can't even get a message clear enough that their _own worshipers_ get it right. Give me a break.

[@Cellidor]

Truly it's bizarre. Many people would just prefer to take an easier, simple answer regardless of whether it's actually true.

[@kenbrunet6120]

yeah but free will lol

[@Cellidor]

Hah, right? The ever-magical free-will that somehow is so grand and strong it circumvents being all-knowing because...hey look over there!

[@TheRealG2024]

This is a point I keep bringing up to which they have no answer

[@TheRealG2024]

@@Cellidor well it actually does circumvent all of their arguments which is part of why their position unravels quick

[@bigskypioneer1898]

I am in my 50's - and in *_my_* lifetime words in my native language, English, have changed. I point this out, because my lifetime is roughly the same period of time from Jesus' death to the first written record of his words & deeds. Now factor in the fact that the first writing of Jesus' ministry were in a completely _different_ language than the one he would have spoken, there is even going to be _more_ lost in translation. Some words just flat out don't translate to other cultures and languages - you have to start "approximating" words OR adopt the original language. For example the Japanese word for computer is..... computer. It is extremely naive to think that were no mistakes. The caller refers to Bart Erhman several times - Bart tells of several instances where monks quite literally mis-translated texts or made notes that another monk erroneously wrote as part of the Gospel. Words that mean one thing to me, would have meant something entirely different to my Grandparents. The word, Gay, being one example. In England they use the word biscuit to indicate baked goods that Americans refer to as cookies, for us, "biscuit" has a totally different meaning. Even people with photographic memories can not reliably recite a speech they heard word for word - that is because we use a different portion of our brain to read than to listen. If someone speaks to 30 people, he or she will get 30 different renditions of what was said. I was a technical instructor for 16 years, and I am here to attest that in my experience people only retain 30% of what they hear in a single sitting. There was not just ONE story (oral tradition) for King Arthur or Robin Hood - different minstrels would add their own twist. I would like for the caller to take up Dan Barker's challenge to write an account of the Easter event using each of the 4 gospels harmoniously - and he can't leave out any portion from ANY gospel. Good luck. Language by it's very nature is imprecise, and is in constant motion - that's why things like the "urban dictionary" exist. travel back 150 years and use the word "cool" to indicate something that you find as "neat" - and see if they understand you. Buy yourself a Lexicon and Concordance and then use it while you read the new testament - - you will quickly discover how easily mistakes in translation can be (and were) made. There are many instances where a word can have two different meanings, and it was through context the listener knew the meaning of the words being used - - even harder to do with dead languages 2000 years later. If you hold that God enacted a miracle to cause those transcribing the Bible from Aramaic oral tradition to Greek and then to a generation of Greek writers 50 years later to keep everything word perfect, then please explain why there are over 1000 different denominations of Christianity (?) - and some of those are the direct result of a dispute concerning the meaning of a word or words in a verse of the New Testament. Who were the Anabaptists - what separated them from other Christians? Ask a Calvinist if we are saved by faith or works.... then ask a Baptist or Methodist. All read the SAME bible.... Why do different Bibles use different phrases and words? Why is the Catholic Bible different from the Protestant one? Isn't it possible for God to clearly state what he or she wants - yet each denomination of Christianity believes *_they and ONLY they_* have the *_correct_* interpretation.

[@3joewj]

Seems like the accuracy of Christ's words are important to you...

[@arthurzetes]

Actually the word that most people would use for computer is now “pasokon” From”personal computer” -> “paasonaru kompyuutaa” Switching languages is really, REALLY tough

[@ericscaillet2232]

Let's not as well overlook the restrictive nature and power of words in this specific instance and in its specific language 😒

[@francisbawasanta6310]

You deserve more likes. That was a very good explanation. I hope The caller at some point read it.

[@christopherseton-smith7404]

Really well explained. I have one or two or ten years on you, and I think of, not only how different street slang is now, but even how we say and pronounce words, compared to my childhhod a little way before yours. Much of the New Testament was written or least re-written in Koine, the street patois for the Classical Greek of the time, developing as it was, in as equally changing world as ours has been. I imagine the language of the original books was not static, even before we get to the translations from which our own texts descend.

[@owenwilliams105]

Matt's response is totally flawless.

[@prodprod]

It isn't only a matter of a story changing through transmission. I've heard my wife tell the same story over the years at dinner, many, many times - often stories in which I am, myself a participant -- and every time she tells these stories, she tends to "improve them" -- the "fish" gets bigger with every telling. It's not that she's lying -- and heaven help me if I try to challenge her on these details because she will stick to the expanded and improved version of the story -- even as it continues to expand and improve over the years. And it's not just her -- there are things that I "remember" -- that I have found out later are absolutely not as I recall. This is one of those experiences that happen much more to people who grew up in the days before VCRs and streaming and all of that, because there are movies and TV shows that I saw and vividly remember when I was very young and never saw again for thirty, forty years or more. And when I finally managed to catch up with them again, I realized that my "memory" of those movies was completely wrong -- somehow or other, I had constructed something in my memory that was very different from what I had actually seen. The point is, because what I'd seen was preserved on film, I was able to compare my recollection to the objective recording. There's no way to do that with a recollection and a real-life event. But there's also no reason to believe that the correlation is any better. NMS

[@Chris-hx3om]

That's actually how memory works. You don't remember the event, what you remember is the last telling of it. Each time you 'remember' it, that's the new memory.

[@erictrumpler9652]

Love this one... I like that Matt uses the mute button more than hanging up like he used to. This dude is the prime example of how these guys act when they're forced to recognize a valid point has been made. They have to deflect or give up their dogma, and the hard-bitten ones choose to deflect.

[@KHANT56]

You can lead a horse to water but apologists cannot be led to logic.

[@johnmcclure40]

Sure they can! You can lead them up to logic without too much difficulty. They'll proceed to ignore it completely, but you can lead them there.

[@JesusChrist-og6rb]

Heaven is going to suck.

[@ricardovonkrypton8908]

You can lead a theist to reason but you can't make them think.

[@paulcook2961]

If you can lead it to water AND make it drink, then it isn't a horse.

[@andrzejsawicki3770]

I like Shane. He's an intelligent and wise. I would like to see him more.

[@kramer1372]

Andrzej Sawicki .. me too.... “Stockton Muthafucker!!”, ha..he looks like a Diaz brother..

[@matthewmarquez8158]

Hell yeh

[@Paul-ts5qw]

@@kramer1372 He looks nothing like Nick or Nate.

[@gogogetter]

Yes!!

[@brucebaker810]

He's got a channel. Shane the Philosopher?

[@SFsc616171]

Example: Who alive today, was at a Martin Luther King rally, and tell us, word for word, what he said?

[@gou0630]

@Vega Nona No ONE has claimed there is no god, There is no evidence of a god, that's a big difference and a fucking book can not be used as evidence for anything if it's not accurate in any way shape or form.

[@brucebaker810]

OP: nice example @Vega Nona you managed to squeeze LOTS of complete misconstruction of atheism into 14 words. @Alma Tadero Dont assert that NO ONE is a strong atheist. most atheism is just "i dont accept your assertions about this God guy; you have made a claim, have a burden of proof, and have not met that burden". but strong atheists do exist. those who say there is no god. or that they have a conviction that gods dont exist. Denying it just leads to more confusion. apologists and fundies like to define atheism as asserting theres no god. it doesnt help to claim theres zero of that, when there's some. but to say 'that thing you think about all atheists...does not apply to 95%+ of us".

[@DarknessLPs]

@Vega Nona did you just try to say that a way to verify God Is by using substances that have been shown to have people hallucinate? If anything, that only works for people that actually believe in a god, otherwise it's just a creepy creature that their brain created. On top of that, if you have to hallucinate a God to believe in it, then how do you know that your Hallucination is accurate to reality?

[@stefanniemiec8727]

I love the idea of 'The Sermon on the Mount' being given multiple time. Did he travel around the region - like a rock tour - or stay in one place - like a Las Vegas show-? Did he set up the 'Wedding at Cana Catering Company' that could be booked in th region? The worlds first 'Resurrection Healthcare Insurance Plan' - 'The Lazarus's Plan'. The speeches and miracles were executed many times around the region is a wonderful vision.

[@SceptiGus]

Kind of like a magician setting the stage

[@donald6815]

The four 'Gospels' disagree with each other. How much more evidence of inaccuracy could anybody want?

[@LEON46051]

@@joejordan9614 Really? I was a Christian when I knew about that.

[@MrKit9]

@@joejordan9614 Why are christians so incapable of reading their own Bible. Read it fool!

[@munstrumridcully]

@@joejordan9614 Go read the scene in each gospel of the empty tomb then tell me exactly who founf it empty. Each gospel disagrees with the others. There are many examples of such disagreement, what did Jesus ride when he entered Jerusalem? The gospels disagree. Or what is the genealogy of Jesus? The gospels disagree. Etc...

[@burntgod7165]

@@munstrumridcully Exactly, the tomb stories are different even though Matthew and Luke copied Mark.

[@christophzeit6282]

@@munstrumridcully But this is what you would expect actually, when you study ancient sources and narratives. Look at the greek and roman historians and how they convey different versions of one and the same event.

[@thesusanturpin]

Dean calls in to the ACA shows on a regular basis and gets his ass handed to him every single time.

[@RonaldStepp]

More accurate to say he gets his ass-umptions handed to him, heh heh...

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Exactly. Matt the gives him a set of demonstrable facts or reasons why numerous parts of Dean’s arguments are awful, but what does Dean do in response?... calls it a diatribe and fails to make so much as an attempt to counter.

[@hurithinkbefore1340]

DONT destroy my glasshouse. I have needed my whole life to build it.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

It never ceases to befuddle me that people want to call in and then make demands as if answering their call somehow makes them the host now

[@tetsujin_144]

I think the real killer with regard to the whole oral tradition problem is simply that there's no mechanism to ensure the version that gets propagated most successfully will be the most accurate. Rather it's likely the version that gets propagated more will simply be the one that's most popular. And what achieves that popularity will vary according to the audience. The audience's preferences will change over time, and as the story crosses cultural barriers.

[@seanh4841]

You only have to follow a cold case murder trial to see how over 30 - 40 years peoples memories fade, time lines alter, and people just start to make things up because their recall has started failing and their ego won't admit that their minds are dimming.

[@neologian1783]

30 or 40 years? Give it 15 minutes and people recollect incorrectly

[@BlacksmithTWD]

Yea, especially in a literate culture that also invented machines to help them remember anything crucial. I have no problem reciting certain poems I learned over 40 years ago with 100% accuracy. You seem to completely ignore this phenomenon. No wonder you fail to imagine how this could be different in largely illiterate cultures. Even to this day we have cultures in which several illiterate people have demonstrated to 100% accurately recall the entire text of the Koran as they were taught. Even people suffering from dementia to the degree they no longer recognize their own children can still be capable of 100% accurately reciting the children songs they learned as a child. Telling half a truth is often worse than telling a full lie. The fact that SOME people start to make things up because of your explanation doesn't mean this is the case in all instances as you seem to pretend. Failing to mention it's not necessarily as you claim in all instances seems indicative for your ego failing to admit you mind might possibly not be as bright as it thinks it is. And as such, your claim seems to be no better than the pot blaming the kettle. Or as Shane said in the video : "Sometimes the correct answer is: 'I don't know', and when you don't, don't come in acting like you do".

[@BlacksmithTWD]

@@loki6626 The human memory is far from 100% accurate on all instances, but on all instances it's the best (since it's the only) source of information we have to think with.

[@Julian0101]

​@@BlacksmithTWD "I have no problem reciting certain poems I learned over 40 years ago with 100% accuracy" I wonder what is the accuracy for the others poems you learned over 40years ago. And more importantly, how do you verify if is actually 100% accurate, and remember that if you use any sort of text to verify them, then the analogy fails, because the focus point of this conversation was that these oral stories were written years AFTER they supossedly were memorized. "Even to this day we have cultures in which several illiterate people have demonstrated to 100% accurately recall the entire text of the Koran as they were taught." Which doesnt make any sense, either you can memorize something because you can read it, or you cant memorize something because you cannot read it. At most you kicked the can saying that illiterate people memorize a text someone else read to them. "Even people suffering from dementia to the degree they no longer recognize their own children can still be capable of 100% accurately reciting the children songs they learned as a child." And how can we verify if they recall the song at 100% accuracy, remember that if you point out to a text the analogy fails. The fact that MOST people start to make things up when memory fails is a big enough problem to doubt the reliability of these stories we have nowadays. The other fact that we now have EXACTLY the same problem with EXACTLY the same book (with the many versions there are of the baibull) is even more troublesome for the reliability of the EXACTLY the same stories. Failing to understand that oral traditions, specialy from a culture so far away in time and that cannot be verified, are completely unreliable, is indicative for the failing of the apologetic ego that refuses to admit that this defense might possibly not be as bright as it thinks it is. As Shane said in the video, sometimes the correct answer is: 'I don't know', and if you dont know then there is no reason to make up special pleaded assumptions towards your favorite myth.

[@Julian0101]

@@BlacksmithTWD "but on all instances it's the best source of information we have to think with" Nope, even in court where sources of information are vital, witness testimony is one of the weakest kind we have. To the point that any other evidence that contradicts these testimonies are enough to dismiss them as unreliable. And when is the only source we have, we just say it is completely unreliable because there is no way to verify if these testimonies are accurate at all. BTW, shifting 'memory as a tool to claim a story is reliable' with 'memory as a tool to think' is just a little clever example for 'bait and switch'

[@BrendanWhelan]

Why is it never pointed out that Jesus never wrote anything down himself. If I’m going to base my entire worldview based on a collection of writings from thousands of years ago, at least it better be a first person narrative written by the author with 100% evidence. Even then, I wouldn't live my life based on that because there's already others out there. And why would a god need to get a message to me this way? So dumb

[@BrendanWhelan]

Chris Massey I'll assume this is a troll response because surely you cannot be serious.

[@AC-gb7do]

Chris Massey How the Hell can you prove that? Oh wait, you can’t, so yet again you’re just talking outta your ass.

[@Diviance]

@@chrismassey7563 ...right, Jesus traveled through time to write the 10 commandments, that never existed, because reasons.

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

@@chrismassey7563 DSOAS

[@redwatch.]

Brendan Whelan That's a helluva good point. They say he was illiterate but as the son of the author of everything and one of the Super Three (depending on your Trinitarian interpretation) he should have learned to read and write. How can a modern person stomach this bullshit?

[@smooth_sundaes5172]

A whole range of suppositions based on zero evidence. Typical apologist

[@jwsanders1214]

Where is your proof ?

[@dogearflopper7011]

If Jesus gave the sermon on the mount multiple times, that also means there were more listeners spreading what they heard, likely also getting it wrong.

[@zachrichardson5581]

Exactly. The more instances of sermons would logically result in more instances of miscommunication of that sermon. How can people not follow that simple thought path???

[@sdozer1990]

@@zachrichardson5581 "*Ahem* New testament scholars say..."

[@kkarlsson1971]

you guys rock. you don't mince words and you get straight to the point and lay it out plain and simple. I could sit here for hours and watch your program.

[@woody4269]

I do 🤦‍♂️

[@robertallan6373]

Matt and Shane work beautifully in harmony with each other.

[@The22on]

Yes. I'm kinda new to this site, but the 2 of them are good. One is patient while the other "doth not suffer fools gladly".

[@n9brb]

@lew bronstein spot on

[@jerryp6001]

@@The22on ha. I remember when Matt was in Shane's chair and his patience had not been beaten the sh*t out of. This is Matt...I'd say version 3.0 1.0 was when he still had hair very early on. 2.0 he shaved the head, and started to become what he would become. 3.0 is around these years where his patience started decreasing and he stopped suffering fools. 4.0 is now and more recently where he has been doing it for so long....he knows what is gonna set him off if he lets it go on for 5 minutes...so to save him time and the viewers/listeners time, he goes almost IMMEDIATELY to anger and beratement etc. He's gettin too old for this sh*t

[@chrismurray3224]

I don’t think this guy has ever seen The Life of Brian sermon on the mount scene. That kinda puts it in perspective !! 😂

[@Blubb5000]

It's Prian!

[@scottlaughlin1528]

Love it! Haha!

[@SupaSal62]

Blessed are the Cheesemakers!!

[@RoseNoho]

The ultimate irony about this is this guy is inaccurate when he is talking about what Matt said.

[@bradweir6993]

SPEAK UP !!!

[@elmolewis9123]

This guy seems to think he is a deep thinker, but just CAN'T even answer the simplest of questions asked of him during this call. The usual nonsense from these characters.

[@willmind4296]

anyone home this guy has a mental block on “God is wrong / God made a mistake”

[@romankvapil9184]

It’s because he’s on a script and the second an organic and honest debater makes a specific and accurate question, they immediately don’t know what todo.

[@proditoresmoriendum86]

We were all that way at 18

[@DivineDisbelief]

Dean is a friend of mine, and we've debated on numerous occasions. The replies here are correct: it's a script. It's always a script.

[@elmolewis9123]

@@DivineDisbelief Is he for real or just out to get attention?

[@logangovender9890]

Matt: I need to ask you a question. Why is it that whenever we confront a Christian about God's Morality, they always end up blaming Man, and how fallen we are and how sinful we

[@greenlake433]

Here's why, The Creator of the world is omnipotent; to create the world or to destroy the world requires absolutely zero effort on the part of our Father. In fact, right this moment, everything can be taken away in an instance and there will be nothing and our existence can be wiped out without a trace. The level of power we are dealing with is at least infinite. So our Lord with infinite wisdom made the world and gave us free will: The freedom to reject divine grace or to accept divine grace. Our Lord's infinite wisdom determined that preserving free will is more important than preventing suffering in the world. If our Lord intervened every time a person did something wrong, the person would cease being free and would become a mindless servant, like AI in a game. Since a person has free will, when a person does something wrong, they are punished, because they have the freedom to choose what is right. Now when a mother punishes a child, they are limited by their finite power to maybe send their child to their room, or give them a lecture. When the judicial system punishes a criminal, they are limited by their finite power, to lock the person in prison or fine them with a fee. When the Almighty punishes us people, despite having infinite power, the worst that was done was perhaps Noah's flood? Wiping out all living things on earth and leaving a few to survive when it would have been just as easy to destroy the whole world? That was an act of mercy. What else are people complaining about, slavery and genocide? People do these things all the time without any divine influence. Stop complaining about past events and respect the all powerful. Who or what else are we going to respect, men who are clearly fallible or the impersonal laws of physics? All of us are given the possibility of salvation. It's a choice that we make. It's a choice all of us can make right now, accept the divine will or reject the divine will. Do any of us really think we can expect divine favours when all of our lives are spent doing what is wrong from the perspective of our Lord? How can we expect to pass a class if we never do any homework? Why are people so perplexed by the notions of punishment and reward? It is the basis of justice. With the possibility of eternal reward, there is also the possibility of eternal punishment. That is only just. Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Anyone who reads the sacred word and cares to sincerely understand will probably find the kingdom.

[@breeze787]

@@greenlake433 All I have to say after reading your tirade is, "have you ever read the Bible cover to cover"? Please don't lie. And if you haven't read the Bible from cover to cover please do. As soon as you possibly can.

[@markaguilera493]

@@greenlake433 1. Billions of people throughout the ages never had a chance to exercise their freewill as you define it. They may have been born before Christianity was a thing. They may have been part of another religion at the time Christianity existed. They may have embraced the wrong Christian denomination. So things aren't as simple as you depict them. 2. You say god in his wisdom saw that freewill was more important than him intervening in the course of things to prevent evil things from happening. Would you act the same with regards to your children? Would you let them drink out of a bottle of acid or chew on a razor blade or play dangerous games with their brothers and sisters just for the sake of exercising freewill?

[@markaguilera493]

@@greenlake433 There can be no such thing as omnipotent. It is a flawed notion. Even William Lane Craig recognized this and thus replaced the notion of an "omnipotent god" with that of an "extremely powerful god". For example : if god is omnipotent he is indestructible. So he can't destroy himself. Therefore he's not omnipotent. Besides, he can't give us freewill and be omniscient at the same time.

[@coreymiller6717]

@@greenlake433 Can your "infinite" all powerful god create a bolder so heavy even said god can't lift it? If your god is all powerful, then it must also be all knowing. If your god is all knowing then it knows what I'm eating for breakfast next week Monday. If it knows what I'm eating for breakfast next week Monday, then I don't have the free will or choice regarding what I'm eating for breakfast next week Monday. The idea of an all powerful god is logically incoherent and the idea of free will under an all powerful god model is also nonsensical. I suggest you change your beliefs so they represent reality and not ridiculous bullshit that you cannot defend.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

This call is a perfect reason as to why I bailed from religion years ago. I haven't told my family that I am an atheist, yet. Not sure I will. Because I know this is the kind of incessant (unattentive) dialog I will get from my family as Matt and Shane got from this caller.

[@spartanladkenny7870]

My mother told me stories about my grandma who died 5 years before I was born. Many times her story changed slightly when she repeated a particular incident. My aunts had a different version of the same event. I have no reason to believe my mom didn't witness the event but her version compared to her sisters AND over years wasn't consistent. With the new testament we're talking about ancient people who were more superstitious than we are and illiterate. Someone told a story about Jesus, which was passed on to a traveling businessman who went home and told his wife. These weren't conversations at seminars with citations and credits to authors verifying authenticity. Wtf is the caller talking about?

[@Chris-hx3om]

That's actually how memory works. You don't remember the event, what you remember is the last telling of it. Each time you 'remember' it, that's the new memory.

[@GabrielEddy]

So, no mention of the elephant in the room, which is the 5,000+ word monologue in the fourth gospel (chapters 13-17) which was written 50+ years after Jesus’ death. Who could ever recall so many consecutive words over that span of time?

[@protheonovo]

Rookie apologist of the year.

[@myuhdidas]

Yeah I’d say at least the month. Too many more apologist to come to declare him apologist of the year.

[@furious32ninja]

@@myuhdidas yep, never underestimate the depth of idiocy in apologetics!

[@robsaxepga]

Lol!

[@cletokings4302]

I can’t tell the difference between rookie and pro when it comes to apologist. I think that as long as your IQ is below 60, you qualify for apologist.

[@ApocryphalDude]

I bet he ignores historical norms that refute his views

[@mdug7224]

The telephone game is a great comparison. Personal example: A guy was stuck in a difficult situation with five aggressive people and all alone. He didn’t get hurt. By the end of the week, the story was that He had taken on five guys single handedly. This was fed back from just the second person in the chain of information. 50 years is light years in word of mouth terms.

[@mdug7224]

@Gabriel Santos watch the post.

[@jeffreyphillips4182]

We played the phone game in speech class in my sophomore year in high school. 6 students went to the hall, one stayed, the speech teacher told a story to the one who stayed. The next student was told the story, who then related it to the next and so on. By the time the last person told the story it was so far off the original, we all had a big laugh, just as I do now with people quoting the bible...

[@thedude9014]

Actually Matt , The sermon on the mount was on thoutube

[@OCDustin]

That’s just...just perfect

[@ramonroman8076]

The DUDE, you are in the same turf as Rick Gaudreau. Thank you for your insight.

[@Salwerth2822]

🤣

[@coletrickle1775]

Thoutube is funny nice work.

[@michaelcolbourn6719]

I dont get the pun..?

[@insertname8042]

*Matt:* "- Now I own you..." I thought you didn't believe in owning other people Matt? 😂😂

[@deonhollins3448]

insert name he’s such a hypocrite its honestly quite sad. As soon as his “logic” fails to make the other person immediately change their minds he puts them on hold 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️. He’s such a shill.

[@thestraydog]

@@deonhollins3448 When someone refuses to answer a question or cannot concede a point when abundant logic and objective reasoning is presented, yes, the best option is to stop them from repeating an undefendable position ad nauseum is to put them on hold.

[@thestraydog]

@@deonhollins3448 That is the only LOGICAL decision.

[@cjtjets5941]

Figuratively speaking of course lol

[@daviddeida]

@@thestraydog and say you own them...LMAO.

[@TheMarkSasuke64]

Anytime someone talks about Matt's cursing/'potty mouth' you know you're dealing with a bullshiter.

[@ericscaillet2232]

Not necessarily, Matt does overdo it at times and looses professionalism,regardles of the topic at hand😒

[@dekuboidonut4552]

Sorry for being a grammar Nazi but you forget the "s" in cursing

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@ericscaillet2232 According to whom? There is no objective measure of what does or does not constitute "overdoing" swearing. Since that does not exist, whatever professionalism you "think" he is losing is as much a product of your imagination as any theist's god.

[@TheMarkSasuke64]

@@ericscaillet2232 I totally agree that Matt overdo it at times, just not recently (Karen and that guy the other week saying planets aren't real).

[@ghostface5559]

It does get annoying

[@kenbob1071]

Matt repeats question numerous times; question goes into one ear of caller and out the other. Also caller: thinks Jesus repeated sermons and listeners remembered accurately the sermons... lol.

[@BW-ht5ci]

Matt is genuine it take a while for me to accept his personality and approach in handling difficult caller's

[@whispersmith]

You gotta remember that every single one of these inane, circular points is something he's heard fifty times before. If anything his patience for engaging with this at all is laudable

[@CronoXpono]

@@whispersmith Also extremely laudable to deal with some idiot who will complain about cursing while simultaneously not understanding that being disingenuous and refusing to acknowledge a point to keep from admitting he’s wrong. I’d rather have someone use a curse word during an explanation than have someone idiotically claim that someone not only would hear a sermon ONCE, get it down perfectly and PERFECTLY convey it to others! WTF!

[@shrags1]

More like five hundred and fifty...

[@aprilking3425]

This is really hard to listen to given that the caller listens to NOTHING said and makes ZERO valid points. Just doesn’t get it at all. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@francisbawasanta6310]

But highly entertaining! lol. Poor Matt. His blood pressure must have blown passed the roof.

[@alfhelder]

well if you are listening in the hope of a valid point forget it will NEVER happen

[@ConcealedCourier]

Yeah, he's trying to play on loss of sense causing over compensation, only he wants to put that effect on literacy. Literacy is not a sense; therefore his argument makes no sense.

[@timothygibney5656]

He doesn't want to burn in hell for thinking the wrong way so much that his mind tap dances around this as this can't be true. Sums up believers basically which is why religion is so harmful.

[@ChrisTopher-sv2su]

First time I have seen Shane on the show - enjoyed his contribution

[@breeze787]

I will accurately confirm Shane and Matts tag team comments were well supported by me.

[@Katie-hb8iq]

I played the phone game in school. I remember vividly in grade 3. The message at the end of it was: "Go pee in a lake." That wasn't what we started out with, lol.

[@kenbee1957]

That poor lake 😔

[@valkolakk]

Some of us have issues with being cursed at because of having been verbally abused in the past, honestly. It's not a fear of words. Doesn't change the fact that the caller has no argument.

[@sdozer1990]

Dean had every right to end his call and he did long after the colorful verbiage was expressed. :(

[@electrochemnerd]

Ive never seen Shane on this show before but he is easily one of the best cohosts ive ever seen with Matt.

[@Timbo6669]

Did an Adult just say 'potty mouth" without a child anywhere to be seen?? aaahhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah..

[@dickvarga6908]

Common among some prissy little,e old ladies of various genders,

[@daviddeida]

Matt was there acting like a petulant child.The fat blob cant even rationalize eating meat.

[@gazza595]

@@daviddeida Really? Is that your best criticism? Not very good at this are you.

[@daviddeida]

@@gazza595 Yawn..Is that your best rebuttal..?Not very good at this are you.?????.

[@jewsco]

@@daviddeida found the triggered snowflake

[@stevemanganiello9666]

Person: I think it was 'Blessed are the cheesemakers.' Mrs. Gregory: What's so special about the cheesemakers? Man: Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

[@brucebaker810]

Just follow the gourd already, you heathen wankers.

[@sebastianmelmoth685]

The New Testament is very accurate - as long as you don't a) refer to history books b) refer to other books in the actual Bible c) ask anyone who is not a Christian. Then... 100 percent accurate, absolutely.

[@VaughanMcCue]

Usually the page numbers are accurate

[@davidburroughs7068]

Hehe, not even the page numbers. Catholic (Douay) bible cannon varies by entire books from other Christian faiths. Why, the very idea really makes Zeus say it it chaps his grits.

[@margaretbarrett6087]

Every word of the bible is true! - but when the words group together to form sentences, that’s when the crap begins.

[@NA-oc7eq]

@@margaretbarrett6087 they're not.

[@Mmmmilo]

@@NA-oc7eq I think you missed the joke there, buddy.

[@jerryrose6895]

Matt's response in the end wasn't wrong but knowing the mindset of individuals like that young man he will undoubtedly go back and tell everyone he knows how he was persecuted and how the two of you couldn't see his point.

[@sdozer1990]

Also undoubtedly Dean will have little pieces of toilet paper stuck to his mind displaying the pointed use of Hitchen's Razor: That which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. ;)

[@BornOnThursday]

The telephone game is a great example that takes place in minutes and often leads to changes or misinterpretation of the initial information, nevermind a few decades.

[@MovieMakingMan]

Imagine having 50 years of stories passed around orally and any of them being correct in the end. The reason for oral history is because virtually everyone was illiterate. If I tell someone a story to a friend and he tells it to another friend in the span of one day the story WILL NOT be the same. So to assume that 50 years, or 18,250 days, of telling stories is accurate is ludicrous. And why would an all knowing god use a defective system to spread his so called perfect message? No real god would put the trust of illiterate people using oral transfer to keep his message intact. Even the thought of that is idiotic.

[@tonydarcy1606]

"What sermon ? What Mount". See Ken Humphries for further details.

[@dihe1392]

The 1 dislike is from Dean 😂

[@kenbee1957]

He's gotten a few friends over the course of a year

[@nicholasagnew2792]

Are you saying the sky is purple? Caller: No, what I'm saying is the sky is purple. No its not Caller: I agree...but it is.

[@kenthazara5477]

18:26 the silent glances in agreement and disgust - made me laugh out loud! 😊

[@danielzunigagutierrez6300]

"let me illustrate this with an analogy." Masterpiece! People that can handle a language are so attractive to smart thinking.

[@OuttaMyMind911]

6:15 "It's not about what happens in reality". That's all I need to hear. Why go on?

[@Beedycat]

These analogies like courtroom, fairies, jar of jelly beans, etc. never seem to work with these callers.

[@dekuboidonut4552]

The fact that all of those are in the same sentence makes it seem like you're describing an LSD trip

[@puckerings]

They have a vested interest in not understanding.

[@jaymeanderson5121]

@David Parry that's a disgusting thing to say.

[@trekkiejunk]

The courtroom analogy is a decent analogy. But frankly, the jelly beans/gumballs one is kinda shitty and unclear.

[@grimmstryke9627]

@@trekkiejunk the court room analogy cant account for I dont know.

[@nosuchthing8]

The hosts of the show display infinite patience

[@kayomholt-montague7661]

Yes, and I have no problem with the cuss words Matt frequently employs!

[@dawndead9591]

In the first ten minutes, I thought I had something "profound" to add here about the "telephone game", but, by the end of the segment, Shane and Matt had negated anything I could have contributed. Nice work. And Dean certainly free-wheeled his free will to well beyond clarity. Thanks for introducing me to "soteriology".

[@tedrivera8051]

When did Matt get his "Thanks for proving my point" button (34:16)? I laughed way too hard at that.

[@rpg896]

The teacher analogy by Shane is excellent.

[@jd190d]

It might be better if he said the teacher told 3 or 4 people some ideas about algebra then asked those people to teach the rest of the class.

[@artistjoh]

Dean has so little ability to listen, it is not surprising that he is incapable of thinking rationally.

[@kieronbrowne7881]

Correctamundo.

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@@kieronbrowne7881 Absolut ! ............

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

@Nature and Physics Probably BOORING ..............

[@magnatcleo2043]

@Nature and Physics Rather irritating, at least if you have to deal with them regularly.

[@Halffullofjuice]

I love this show. It's is the best defense we have against religious insanity. Ty.

[@kayomholt-montague7661]

Agreed! This show has been a beacon of sanity and truth in the midst of the powerful dogma of religion!

[@RonaldStepp]

Matt's "diatribe" pretty much sums up the entire discussion and needs no further embellishment. Good job Matt.

[@breeze787]

This is one of my favorite "Atheist Experience" calls. Shane balances Matt perfectly and when they tag team the caller the Truth has never had a better chance. I can watch this one over and over. The problem? The caller is doing his best to dodge and weave rather than listen and learn. Oh and the comments below are "priceless".

[@CallMeChato]

There should be a rule, no verbal bludgeoning allowed. I love how apologists figure they can win the argument through bludgeoning.

[@TheRealCatof]

The new testament claims the Earth is 6000 years old in Genesis, specifically chapters 1,3, and 5. It also claims the Earth is stationary and that the sun orbits around the Earth in Joshua 10:13 So no, it's about as accurate as 2000 year old desert peasant's views of reality were. There's a reason why the bible doesn't mention a single thing about space, something god surely would have known.

[@rembrandt972ify]

Err, Genesis is in like the Old Testament.

[@AC-gb7do]

David Anewman In its most widespread version, YEC is based on the religious belief in the inerrancy of certain *literal* interpretations of the Book of Genesis. Young Earth creationists regard the Bible as a historically accurate, factually inerrant record of natural history. As Henry Morris, a leading Young Earth Creationist, explained it, "Christians who flirt with less-than-literal readings of biblical texts are also flirting with theological disaster." According to Morris, Christians must "either ... believe God's Word all the way, or not at all." Young Earth creationists consider the account of creation given in Genesis to be a factual record of the origin of the Earth and life, and that Bible-believing Christians must therefore regard Genesis 1-11 as historically accurate. “There’s no evidence...” 😂🤦‍♂️🙄 Sure there isn’t Champ, now go play in traffic. So, right off the bat, you’re wrong. 😂

[@TheRealCatof]

@@chrismassey7563 The original bible, yes. The one that's supposed to be the words of god.

[@RoseNoho]

@David Anewman The Bible indicates the earth is flat. At one point Satan took Jesus to the top of a mountain and showed Him all of the kingdoms of earth. That would only be possible if the earth is flat.

[@seanhendricks2714]

I feel like the math in the Bible is off. I may be wrong but doesn't the Bible go through like 9 generations of guys living to be between 500 and 1000 years old? Last time I read the Bible I added up the years in the section in Genesis where it goes "[person] lived to be x years old and had x children [before dying]" over and over again and it added up to be 9800 years or something. Feel free to fact check me on that but I remember the math being extremely incorrect on the supposed age of the universe. Edit: ok I just calculated the time from Adam to Noah to be 6524 years. Math isn't my strongest subject so feel free to check back over me but what I did was basically go to any line in Genesis Chapter 5 (KJV) where it says "And all the days that [person] lived were x years; and he died." I added up the ages of all the men mentioned in those lines. Then I subtracted the years in lines that read "And [person] lived (x) years and begat [son]" because the son is the next person. Like I said I'm not the best at math so please check back over me but if the age of the Earth is even 1 year more than 6000 then any claim that it is no older than 6000 years is wrong according to the book claiming such. By virtue I would also say this brings into question the whole of the Bible because if the math of God or the math inspired by the word of God is wrong then what would that say about Yahweh?

[@mikebailey519]

Crawling on the planet’s face.Some insects called the human race. Lost in time, lost in space and meaning.

[@TheMonk72]

How do you do, I see you've met my faithful handyman.

[@Mirrorgirl492]

Rocky!

[@ericmishima]

@@Mirrorgirl492 uhg.

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

"The only thing that matters is what happens in reality." That is a _fundamental_ fact, and I have realised that I, and Matt and Shane, are indeed fundamentalists, and Biblical literalists are quite the opposite!

[@49perfectss]

This is why Dean is too afraid to call in when Matt's on now hahaha

[@Nancy20012]

But the more times this sermon was given it means that more bunches of people heard it which means we have even more versions/understandings of what was actually said by Jesus. Which of these versions is the one that was reproduced throughout the decades to make the Bible in the end? How do we know that this was the correct one, the one closest to what was actually said? The larger the number of people that heard this the worse it is in terms of accuracy.

[@Nickesponja]

Well since God literally knows the future he surely took the course of action necessary so that what would be finally written in the Bible was accurate and wouldn't be misinterpreted. Oh, wait

[@barkYdarkATFB]

But “the sermon “ begins with jesus seeing a crowd, then climbing up a mountain, preaching, then climbing down from the mountain. The bible never mentions these topics again, during the jesus story. It’s simply presumptive, as there is no further information, that these topics were repeatedly preached.

[@jwsanders1214]

Peter heard it , James heard it , Matthew heard it , John Heard it , John Mark heard it , , Hundreds of others heard it ,or thousands . They heard what they heard , they told others right away , they didn't write books

[@scottlaughlin1528]

I think Dean needs to watch the holy gourd/sandal scene from "Monty Python's Life of Brian".

[@chrismurray3224]

Bugger !! I’ve just written a similar comment above !! Spot on 👍

[@scottlaughlin1528]

@@chrismurray3224 Haha! Great minds think alike!

[@huffpappy]

You know, he ought to watch the whole movie. It is a riot.

[@Mirrorgirl492]

Are there any women here today?

[@Wolfways]

"Living stories" were common among oral traditions. Stories were changed in small ways on purpose because people don't want to listen to the exact same story over and over. They were also hyped up. A five minute fight between two combatants could be descibed as a battle that took three days with both fighters being almost too tired to continue, until the "hero" finally dealt the fatal blow. Go see how many versions of the King Arthur stories there are.

[@frankwebster9110]

What was he? A wedding magician? That killed me. So funny

[@robinguy7855]

Omg, I’m getting way to much entertainment from your frustration. It’s soooo funny, I don’t know how you do it day in and day out with these people keep it up, it’s my down time on the way to the grind!

[@MarkovianMan]

Matt and Shane are a formidable team! Love it!

[@rbname7318]

The more he talks the more he proves their point. It’s like his goal was to be opposite what ever they said. And he totally played himself by hanging up.

[@sdozer1990]

Patient rational people shut up and look for the truth. Impatient irrational people never shut up and never say anything true.

[@gordonburns8731]

It's like Monty Python and the Life of Brian... 'Blessed are the cheesemakers...' LOL

[@CaptainKirkDiggler]

38:34 Shane drops the logic bomb... in a SUFFICIENT way that anyone would understand. Je dis bravo!

[@Johnmhatheist]

Tu parles français ?

[@CaptainKirkDiggler]

@@Johnmhatheist Un peu. Mais l'anglais est ma langue principale.

[@Johnmhatheist]

@@CaptainKirkDiggler that's cool. I was just wondering since you said je dis

[@CaptainKirkDiggler]

@John-kt4lc No worries. I still speak conversationally, but my French is so RUSTY. I'm a step above Eddie Izzard French lol Mais, le chat est sur la chaise, la souris est sous la table et le singe est sur la branche lol.

[@aaronfranklin6863]

we Aboriginals in Australia have passed down sacred songs and knowledge orally for thousands of years accurately because we are so close personally,so it can be done,it's vital that we get it 100% accurate,elders teach the men,the men teach the young men,the young men teach the little ones,so on for our women and we constantly talke about our spiritual knowledge and well being all day every day,I'm not Christian but I can sort of relate to the spiritual side of things,we call our creator the boss,easy

[@sdozer1990]

I don't mean to sound adversarial. If it's been thousands of years since the original songs and information were communicated, how do you know the songs and information passed down are accurate versions of the original songs and information? It was one of the main points Matt was making about how we believe we haven't discovered the original manuscripts of the new testament books. Therefore, we can only make educated guesses for the accuracy to the originals the manuscripts we have found have.

[@aaronfranklin6863]

@sdozer1990 my peoples have sacred sites everywhere,to enter we must sing the old songs perfectly or risk deth or harm from the spirit who guards that site,some of my people forgot their sacred songs and now the spirit won't allow them back so I'm pretty sure we've passed the songs down correctly

[@sdozer1990]

@@aaronfranklin6863 I don't mean to be a *skeptic*. haha Anyway, do you know the history and especially the origins story of that superstition? When were the original sacred songs created, the sacred sites built, and the idea of procuring a curse from a spirit for singing a sacred song song imperfectly come about? If the idea of procuring a curse from a spirit for singing a sacred song inaccurately came about after the original songs were created but before the sacred sites were built and further the idea of spiritual punishment in connection to these sites came about, then there's less guarantee of the broader audience of this oral tradition remembering the originals perfectly. Also, depending on how long ago the songs were created, it's more probable that even a more narrow audience doesn't remember them perfectly either, especially if there was no superstition of spiritual punishment for not singing them perfectly between the origination of the songs and the building of these sacred sites. Just look at modern Christian hymns and Christmas carols. We do have written text of the originals but for each hymn and carol we also have a handful or more alternatives and translations.

[@supreme84x]

A perfect book could not be manipulated.

[@TheRealG2024]

Correct

[@kwaynelapham]

If Jesus did give the "Sermon On The Mount" several times, how did he give it the same each time? (magic teleprompter?)

[@jpapan1]

To play devils advocate. If he could walk on water etc...he could certainly have a photographic memory etc

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

He used a tape recorder the first time he gave his speech and replayed it a million+ times.

[@BigHeretic]

*Ken Lapham* ...especially as they won't be the same hecklers each time!

[@chinatype2bassrocker809]

Yes... but teleprompters in the past were not magic.

[@mj68874]

Yes but not magic. Humans actually used them way back when they lived with dinosaurs. I saw one on the Flintstones.

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

Hi, God here. Though I could give infinite evidence to anyone's satisfaction about my existence, would rather go with ancient social media, like every other false god. That is my distinguishing feature. Reliability people, reliability. Glad to clear this one out, again! Well, back to sleep.

[@margaretbarrett6087]

Hi there god - why don’t you snap your fingers and relieve the suffering of millions of your starving and disease ridden children. I guess that’s out of your league is it?

[@petersinclair3997]

CheapPhilosophy Is it boring being infinite, supreme deity? Why not create a universe, where the people can debate your existence or non existence?

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

@@petersinclair3997 I'd rather kill myself! In the Christian mythology, Is so boring that I created the universe, and even with that I killed myself anyway! A suicidal God creating the excuse to die for a while... Imagine that!

[@Benjamin-to2zq]

Prove to me you exist.

[@Benjamin-to2zq]

@Niggatello the 5th Ninja Turtle it could be a delusion in my brain because of some chemical imbalance. Could be some complex computer program designed to reply like a human. Prove to me you/thet are not a delusion. Hallucination. So the fact he is reply proves nothing. All it says is my brain is processing something. But could all be in my brain.

[@anacondacomplex]

"All I can give you is logic and I'm risking myself" Matt Dillahunty. The Pawn Stars

[@mayamar529]

In addition to the telephone game: if you tell stories you normally adapt them for the specific audience. That will change the stories over time too.

[@Nocturnalux]

Even Christians do this with bibles for kids that have simpler language and drawings.

[@derek3524]

So we can assume every recollection an actor has is 100% because their career involves them memorizing lots of scripts?

[@crassbusinessman3122]

Great point

[@davidburroughs2244]

Nope. Several examples exist of stories changing over time. Actors are famous for the variety as well as the quality of their interpretations of the very same dramatic works. And that is usually speaking each word of the work over and over again. Ask about their lesser behind the scenes stories and it becomes even more clear.

[@irrelevant_noob]

@Derek are you saying that it *_is_* 100%, or that Dean thinks like that?

[@3aZM]

This all knowing god did this mistake with at least two of his religions.

[@ygdon3077]

Yes I have it's all in my plane I created humans knowing that will screw up I sit and watch evil and don't do nothing about until I feel like it if you get torture today I probably will do something about it 19 years later it's all in my plane

[@adithyarajchoorikat9904]

3 actually. 2nd time son of god said worship none other . 3rd is when prophet told, there will not be any other prophet or appearance of god until the world's end. Or else i would have taken quran and bring a newer religion 😉😉😉

[@3aZM]

@@adithyarajchoorikat9904 Yes even I if I want to make shit up will say it is the only truth.

[@bmlgmk]

Matt and Shane are my heroes of logic!

[@Itswayningout]

You can tell that the caller was completely surprised that no New Testament texts are in the Dead Sea Scrolls

[@cutlasssupreme6984]

Yes! I caught that as well. Because you know he was going to use the Dead Sea scrolls as his evidence.

[@ohbum]

Matt, more importantly, most spectators would have only heard the sermon on the mount once. What would be the odds of them remembering it accurately? Even if they heard it more than once could they repeat it word for word. The scene in Life Of Brian where they are listening to the sermon on the mount would be, apart from hilarious, reasonably true. The crowd would be whispering to each other. The people at the back wouldn't hear it all.

[@brianharris7243]

"I own your punk ass" LOL

[@TmRnBn]

"Blessed are the cheesemakers!" (as misheard by the reverend Monty Python.) ALSO: the reluctance of the caller to listen to "potty mouth" Matt is one of the reasons stories change from person to person! The non-potty-mouth dude repeating the WORD from a potty-mouth-dude will inevitably change those potty words to their convenience and therefore change meaning. ALSO ALSO: I would say that if Mr. Jesus gave the Mounted Sermon multiple times it just provides multiple more times that the listeners could get it differently. (Nobody who give the same speech twice gives it verbatim, identical or the same way.)

[@akl561]

I watched this to about 10 minutes in where the argument about how many times the sermon on the mount was preached began. Does this guy seriously want me to believe in a creator of the universe on the basis of his opinion of many times a sermon was preached? Think about it. Jesus is pretty irrelevant if he wasn't the son of the creator god and/or the creator. Couldn't the creator of the universe do a slightly better job of communicating to the beings he supposedly loves? Hey! Continued to watch and that was Matt's point!

[@1414141x]

Why did god choose that part of the world in which to expose himself to mankind. Why did he not choose China which was far more advanced civilization.

[@andrewharper1609]

@@1414141x And why not one where he would be arrested for indecent exposure?

[@daviddeida]

Lots of evidence in the gospels where the same sentences were said numerous times.I dont get why this is not obvious,unless you have'nt read the bible.

[@akl561]

@@daviddeida You may read the christian bible but you don't seem to understand it. The gospels are not evidence. They are clearly embellished versions of the actual events.

[@DJMarcO138]

Does anyone else just sit here laughing their asses off at the Cirque du Soleil level mental gymnastics the callers perform?

[@sdozer1990]

Christian Contortionism mostly just makes me look down with my hand over my eyes. It's hilarious though hearing Matt look up to heaven and yell "Jesus Christ!" a bunch.

[@zendavesta1027]

I honestly love these morons calling, through them I learn a lot from Matt😊