Not Going Back with Cleve Jones // On Guard Ep 24

[@claudiadefuria3961]

Wonderful episode highlighting everything we stand to lose if Trump gets elected again. It's upsetting that it's as close as it is, but I'm holding on to hope that people will do the right thing. I'm not a huge Harris fan, but will vote for her, and encourage others to do so because I know how much is at risk. "Voting it's not a valentine, it's a chess move" brilliantly said. And that's a really good point, why don't we band together, fight together for what is right? Trump supporters rally everywhere, the times I've held signs for Harris, the people that show up are a far cry from the amount of people that show up for Trump rallies. I wish we could unite in the same capacity to fight for what is right and decent.

[@joecaprani5772]

Here in the UK, it was complacency that let Brexit through because so many thought it simply couldn't happen but didn't vote to ensure it didn't happen. COMPLACENCY is your worst enemy.

[@sandraodell4423]

Another great episode. Thank you for the informed views and options. I would have loved to hear more from Grayson and his awareness of the fight for equality and representation. Good on all of you!

[@thiel_spencer]

I strongly second the real hope discussed in the opening. Obviously, this election has problems, every single one does, there are things candidates and/or campaigns can always do better, but yes! Hope! As a 20 year old, it is so wild to have a candidate that I am excited to vote for. I have never known that before with the presidential race. The first election I was aware of was in 2016, and I remember the day we all knew Trump had won. I was in middle school. The middle school cafeteria, normally all chaos and chatter, was quiet. Not silent, but noticably hushed. I didn't know really what it meant to have Trump in office at the time, just that I was afraid. I'm not sure any of the middle schoolers really knew what was going on, but we all knew something was up. That day felt so eerie and strange. Now, I'm so ready to keep throwing my weight behind Harris!

[@sagew1312]

So excited

[@Katnip452]

Sorry, Cleve. We’re going back. 😢

[@sarake-xx]

Absolutely love hearing your conversations and insight. Even though im a relatively young lesbian all the way down in Chile, many things hit close to home and are proper pieces of wisdom. And fun! Keep it going!

[@Grace-ms7un]

When someone tells you who they are, believe them

[@stormyuniverse97]

Crumbs from TX - Love all the episodes, but this is so applicable to where we are right now as a country and as leather people. Also Amp knowing and educating the older generation on the Brat movement / Coconut Tree - all warms my heart!

[@justinjordan7352]

Amazing episode.

[@Kotten84]

Wonderful and important episode. I'm neither from America, nor do I live there, so I can't vote in the election, but I am following it from here in Sweden and is really hoping that Harris wins. It feels like there's been a few "the most important" elections now, but this truly feels like the big one. Trump can not win this one. Harris has to win and win big. Not let there be any room for doubt or reasons (no matter how poor) for arguments about the outcome. Also, it is so important that the Democrats not only win the election, but also get as much power as possible in the House and Senate. Even if Trump lose big (which I am not sure he will), the Republicans will do everything in their power to ruin things for Democrats every chance they get. I hope they won't get to do that. And IF Harris does win and she does get the support to make changes without having to beg for help from any republican, then I hope she won't hold back.

[@TheoRae8289]

apparently my last year of efforts in just my small area of access (public housing full of people on disability and social security) has been in vain because all the people who were agreeing and engaging with me a couple months ago have gone all in on the worst. Literally one guy went from looking to me for guidance on navigating talking about trans people to being pro project 2025. I am so ground down.

[@andrewgawlik4961]

oh yes I noticed that sort of cesspool brewing in the shelter I have been receiving services from and just decided for mental health reasons it was best to live in my car than deal with that crap .. especially when I have high blood pressure under 40 years old.

[@andrewgawlik4961]

As another strategy and as a pagan myself, I would actually encourage people to reignite the "Bind Trump" campaign, but be as strong as people were in the UK to prevent Hitler's invasion of Great Britain with the cone of power.

[@miltonbratton8905]

Interesting conversation. Not sure if I understood what was said about the Supreme Court and an amendment. An amendment isn’t necessary to add to to court its numbers have ranged from 5 to 11. It’s been at 9 for decades. A vote of both houses and the president's signature is what is necessary.

[@clevejones9947]

You are correct. I misspoke. Sorry!

[@LRoseWojtaszek]

Thank you for acknowledging the respect factor. I don't like calling our representatives by their first names. It may feel like we have a personal connection to use the informal first time but others are doing it as a soft display of disrespect.

[@miltonbratton8905]

I think so many are frustrated with the MAGAs, Race and you said that we should be respectful when communicating. So many are fed up with their nonsense. I think at this point they are a lost cause and not worth the energy.

[@andrewgawlik4961]

I concur with you not Race. He seems to act like the middle of the road "Democrat" much like the "white moderates" that Dr Martin Luther King Jr referenced in his famous letter from Birmingham Jail... can't keep playing nice with these people unless the few and far between ones who see reason and that would be more to get them to stop supporting Trump than it would be to support Harris... I'm still in alignment with #AbandonHarris while being #NeverTrump Usually interactions with Blue No Matter Who people tend to go much more favorably than MAGAs... only issue is that we differ on "strategy" (me vs blue no matter who).... unless such people decide to say things to me like "why don't you suck off Trump then?" such people are beyond toxic and as far as I'm concerned should be categorically aligned with the Nazi MAGAs

[@BanginAfterSangin]

LFG!!!!!🥳🥳🥳

[@johnphipps6804]

As a brit please dont be stupid. Look at this man and dont vote him in. He would push the button and ask questions later. I'm not saying kamala is the best but fuck anything is better. And i know i have no right to comment but your political environment affects us all

[@andrewgawlik4961]

Dr Jill Stein, Dr Cornell West, and Claudia De-La-Cruz

[@andrewgawlik4961]

that being said I think of those three I listed Stein/Ware is probably the one in the best position to challenge the two party system in the US edit: Considering how Dr West seemingly picked a personal fight with Dr Stein, I actually think that Dr West isn't doing as good of a job.... by the way Dr Stein is Jewish and Buch Ware is a Black Muslim who both need to have their voices heard as members of their respective identities

[@vrpansy]

great t-shirt kris

[@OnGuardCigarSalon]

thank You - get yours at safewordshop.com

[@robertsmith1703]

We are more than willing to have lots of US gays come to Canada just in case Trump wins.

[@TheoRae8289]

if they don't intend to close borders. places seem a lot less willing to take trans people now than they were in 2020.

[@andrewgawlik4961]

I'd rather go to Ireland than Canada... the politicians there actually seem to be in alignment with my beliefs better... alas no dependable income at present and that most likely won't happen between now and the election validation. So I'll probably be dead.

[@andrewgawlik4961]

Regarding immigration, I have to highlight how both Trump and Kamala both are anti immigrant and Kamala couldn't possibly win over an immigration issue because of trying to appease to conservatives

[@andrewgawlik4961]

I might want to also highlight how our votes for president don't directly determine who is president citing 2016... this highlights the erroneous thinking of "Dr Stein cost Hillary Clinton the election" My point is also directed towards the audience who has felt disenfranchised by the Democrats instead of voting for Trump to spite the Democrats to send a message, it would be significantly clearer to vote for a third party candidate who supports their views. The Republicans, who in my mind tend to be aligned with terrorists and fascists, do have one point correct and that's that we don't have a democracy... where they get it wrong is that we actually have an oligarchy. If Kamala wants to earn my vote she needs to state policy that will actually help people. I'm already starting to get involved with the Green party because I have almost no faith left in the Democrats and have found AOC to be a huge disappointment who is doing PR to cover for those who have been stabbing us in the back.

[@andrewgawlik4961]

I might want to also highlight how our votes for president don't directly determine who is president citing 2016... this highlights the erroneous thinking of "Dr Stein cost Hillary Clinton the election" My point is also directed towards the audience who has felt disenfranchised by the Democrats instead of voting for Trump to spite the Democrats to send a message, it would be significantly clearer to vote for a third party candidate who supports their views. The Republicans, who in my mind tend to be aligned with terrorists and fascists, do have one point correct and that's that we don't have a democracy... where they get it wrong is that we actually have an oligarchy. If Kamala wants to earn my vote she needs to state policy that will actually help people. I'm already starting to get involved with the Green party because I have almost no faith left in the Democrats and have found AOC to be a huge disappointment who is doing PR to cover for those who have been stabbing us in the back.