Mega NGC Grading Disaster for the most part depressing but some nice results too

The latest batch of coins have returned from NGC and its not so good but you will learn a little what to watch out for when grading with NGC
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[@codetutor6593]

A beer and a video from Numistacker. My evening made.

[@vacciniumaugustifolium1420]

the gunmoney 1689 is absolutely amazing ! wouldn't believe its a geniune coin if it wasn't graded by a tpg, the surface, the quality of the strike, just too good ! A true beautifull coin i would be glad to own, congratulation to the owner ! good video as always !

[@codetutor6593]

Hey, that is my coin. Yes, it's a really nice result. I'm considering parting with it, but I'm not sure though as it's got such an amazing story behind it.

[@Dirty2Clean1980]

I enjoy your videos, I’m new to stacking / collecting only two years in but I like the calm demeanor and accent lol, plus you have given me a lot of knowledge I was previously unaware of of. Cheers!

[@stackstacksaveuk5350]

Awesome video , i didnt realise you could choose which way round NGC place your coin, verey cool, i too would have george and the dragon facing front too. great coins, ty for sharing numistacker

[@AgSmithsilversmith]

Hey numi, You say you have to be careful buying raw coins because you never know if they have been cleaned. My view is the people who bought these obviously liked them, were proud and happy enough to package them up and send them for grading. Are you telling me that now the so called experts at ngc have now condemned them as cleaned and the owners are going to be disappointed with the grades? I don't understand why people do this. Pointing out a fake is fair enough, but please guys, enjoy your coins, don't let these snake oil salesmen ruin your hobby. If you like a coin buy it and keep it raw. Snap up all the slabbed coins with the dreaded cleaned designation for a fraction of the price of an MS equivalent and break it out of its hideous plastic coffin and enjoy owning it!

[@Numistacker]

AG Smith yes most of what you say I agree with. Buy the coin not the slab for sure. Lots of these coins are lovely in or out of a slab. The problem seems to be that so many old coins have been cleaned at some stage in their life and it seems unpredictable as to whether the grading companies will pick up on a particular coins historical cleaning or not.

[@philippayne4951]

I am afraid to say, that sometimes NGC have got it wrong as regards a coin being cleaned. And I have to say that it depends who examined the coin in the first case. Knowing if a coin has been cleaned or not, does takes years of knowledge, and understanding coins. You have to take into account signs of old cleaning, Where is was cleaned, then over the years another toning appears, but you can still see it has been cleaned. Then you got hairlines where its been wiped, but an average collector cannot see the hairlines, only under light. Then you get the people who dipped the coin, which are all signs of cleaning. Then of course you get coins, which any average collector can tell that its been buffed, Most times the slabbing companies do get it about right, but I have seen some very bad blunders done by slabbing companies, and what does annoy me is when a coin is graded returned, taken out of the holder then sent to the slabbing company again, and gets a higher grade, it then becomes a racket, and its a case of big bucks talking.

[@infinitemonkey917]

Belize is a good place to dive. The Blue Hole is 406 feet deep, not 130 feet. It's a strange dive because you can't get near the bottom.

[@dataexpunged2827]

13:09 I have one of those in similar condition (a few hairlines on the obverse and some slight green toning on the reverse but otherwise MS)! What a lovely specimen!

[@akeman21]

Interesting results. You should not beat yourself up for not seeing cleaned or fake coins. It is not your job, it must be the responsibility of the owner, period.

[@Numistacker]

You are absolutely right but I can’t help but feel guilty or personally responsible in someway and perhaps I should have done a better job.

[@akeman21]

Sure, but let's assume you turn down a coin as you think cleaned. The owner send it in him self and get it graded. You end up in an impossible situation if you start pre grading your self.

[@machinenkanone9358]

Many attempts to clean coins are painfully obvious. Gold in 20 -24 kt. show cleaning marks easily. Worn and harder coins sometimes take a stare at 100x.

[@mm-oe7tk]

I bought a THE PIEDFORT SOVEREIGN 2018 GOLD PROOF. Thanks for letting me know where to get one. They were great and very helpful.

[@icon2012]

Great unboxing. Thank you. I have a question. I am unfamiliar with NGC's slabbing but is it common for their coins/rounds to be slabbed off kilter?

[@yinyangja]

Great variety. Love this selection of coins.

[@TimothyCoxMD]

Thanks for the video. Too bad about some of the results. I've been meaning to complement you on your use of "lower thirds" lately-- the little boxes at the bottom of the screen. You don't see much of that in the stacker community. Good work!

[@Numistacker]

Thanks very much I am trying to raise my production quality a little bit by bit.

[@stackstacksaveuk5350]

superb 1915 2 lira silver reverse,,, corrinthian soldier with quadrigga chariot, really enjoy these older coins,,, same designs for certain era's,, including the wreath and crown obverse

[@alanmorgan2536]

I had an issue with a specific auction house losing my pedigree documents where I included original auction house tags from a Bowers sale from the early 80s. The coins came from a specific famous collection and the auction house conveniently lost the tags.

[@VegasMilgauss]

Thanks for the vid!

[@anrdrewmcmann3739]

Wow what a lovely selection of coins it makes my sovereign collection look quite boring thanks for sharing again Numi

[@Numistacker]

anrdrew mcmann your collection of Sovereigns is actually very good

[@SilverDragons47]

awesome video thanks for sharing!

[@Numistacker]

Silver Baggins thanks so much

[@chuckw4203]

I really like the 1881 Gothic florin! Nice video Numi

[@Numistacker]

It’s a lovely Coins

[@LegitBananas]

That was my favorite coin of the video as well!

[@TheCornSnake22]

Great video, only thing that annoys me is I hate looking at a squinty hung picture so sloppy slabbed squinty slabed coins are bad, these are fitted and quality checked so it seems squinty is ok, check out the first few coins. Keep up your great videos much appreciated

[@Numistacker]

Thanks for participating

[@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes]

Nice coins, never has a graded coin. Haiti coins of 1908 800k, but not silver so I would not worry about grading.

[@philippayne4951]

I would say that its correct to show the head of the Queen, with the picture of Westminter on the front of the slab, because the Monarch being head of state takes priority, and design is reverse. I would not send it back, because its correct as shown, and we would have done the same thing at the Royal mint. This is why the slabbing company have done it correctly, I am sure they would not reverse it.

[@philippayne4951]

This is another point about coins being cleaned, and where is this going to lead. For example do they consider gently washing a gold sovereign in soap and water, rinsing in water then just dabbing not rubbing until dry. Do they consider this cleaning.? Providing, no hair lines given or signs of rubbing, I would of thought not. Of course any forms of Abrasive in any form is out of the question, and would never be allowed for grading. if patina is visible or any form of luster, leave well alone.

[@dontmesswithsqacky]

I can't help but wander if NGC ever makes mistakes grading coins. Best of luck to you my friend. I hope you get good results on the rest of your coins. :)

[@Numistacker]

It is almost certain that sometimes NGC makes mistakes grading coins

[@philippayne4951]

Yes they do, quit a bit.

[@chrisb.h4605]

Is that a AP royal oak? thought I saw you wearing a Tudor in another video, secret watch collector as well as coins ?

[@medgasguy]

Numi, are or would you recommend the new 2018 piedfort sovereign or the 5 pound piece? I just saw them on the Royal Mint's website.

[@Numistacker]

Piedfort maybe 5 Sov BU seems expensive

[@ovidanovi603]

Very nice coins specially the silver box....

[@MunkeySpaz]

Wow it seems like NGC doesn't listen to any 'special instructions'. That's odd. So when you send them back will NGC charge you again? I've never sent a coin in to be graded before so I definitely learned a lot from this. Thanks!

[@Numistacker]

No they don’t charge )) but it would be best to get it right first time

[@1963921]

Hello Numistacker, you are mixing two coins as one. In Nepal you have Mohar (which is almost always silwer or bullion) and in India you have Mohur which is always gold. They are completely two different types, only they names are similiar.

[@Numistacker]

Many thanks for that clarification I had wondered how they could be so differently

[@ss-mp8zu]

great video

[@markbass354]

wow Numi you show the best coins ever

[@johngriffiths3952]

I clean some of my own coins before I sleeve them. I spray some windex and very lightly rub with my thumb for 30 seconds on each side, then rinse well and let dry. I have yet to put any scratch marks or take away any real toning. I don't suggest anyone else does it as i'm sure it will take away some value. Just my own personal collection.

[@andy45662]

Excellent video, thank you! You mentioned in the video that we may contact you if we were interested in some of the coins that are for sale. What is the best way to do that?

[@Numistacker]

[e-mail]

[@machinenkanone9358]

NGC is honest and not generous with their slabbing. Many American coins pre 1933 will not grade out due to amateur preservation and cleaning.

[@JASN-oj5qu]

Unfortunate but i wouldnt say disaster. it looks like almost every coin in that second box was dipped to death. the 1914 1/2C is a properly dipped coin and should tone nicely.

[@Numistacker]

Thanks Jason dippety doo day..

[@richh5392]

We’ll I’m a noob but it seems like this whole grading thing takes all the fun out of coin collecting.

[@scotmacc]

Very enjoyable video. Great results for some, however, an expensive lesson learned...never CLEAN coins! Did you p someone off at NGC, it must be annoying having your coins back to front in the holder after requesting otherwise. Cheers.

[@Numistacker]

I just don’t know why they can’t read instructions)) frustration must show

[@davidace5864]

Half the time I watch you it’s to see how you’ll pronounce things. Gootemala is a new one on me :). P.S. it’s said Gwatemala.

[@Numistacker]

Yes i upset my son the same way as he was there a few days ago )) many thanks

[@stevenknopf2353]

Regardless of grade, nice to see these coins, congrats on your two 70s

[@Numistacker]

Thanks very much for that it was great to see that mine got 70

[@TMS-pj7fp]

Beautiful coins, despite the details grade on several of them. They are still unique in their own way. Maybe this comment will make the owner of those coins feel a little bit better.

[@stackstacksaveuk5350]

lovely pair at the end..hope they swapped them back over ok. great coins ,,wow

[@weerobot]

Sweet...coins

[@peterwithers9276]

Nice variety with mixed results. Will there be enough days left in the year for you to video all the Heritage coins?

[@Numistacker]

Good point it may take a while to go through them all

[@kevincook1619]

Just found your channel and wanted to know how would i go about getting some of my coins graded? Thanks..

[@Numistacker]

Kevin Cook [e-mail]

[@harirayamajhi7790]

Very good video

[@PennyPincherCoins]

nice

[@ollumpollum8128]

really nice old silver coins. I wonder what else those guys who have submitted them have in their collection.

[@Numistacker]

Eventually I may find out

[@golddiggerdave]

I have a Struck on the day 2018 sovereign, will getting this graded increase the value? sorry if this sounds like a silly question I'm a total noob but if you don't ask you never learn.......Also I have a error with this coin, the royal mint has emailed me to say the error is with hand signed coa and only effected a very small number of people, the said they would put this in writing to me, and are asking I send the coa back to them and they will send me the correct hand signed one, its interesting is it worth keeping my hand on the original coa?

[@Numistacker]

The market in these coins is way too thin and unpredictable to be sure if grading will add value to this coin. I have graded all of my own strike on the day coins but not in order to add value at this stage just in order to have them correctly designated.

[@golddiggerdave]

Much appreciate the honest feedback. Thanks

[@667hodge]

What's all that noise in the background?

[@SoapinTrucker]

Really? The 1912H Nicaragua 50C got an AU50?!?!?!?!? It's TOTALLY been cleaned!!!!! Wow!!!!! :O

[@Numistacker]

Thankful it did

[@Car1Sagan]

Can you please describe "restoration", "conservation" or whatever, how much it costs, &when should you choose that option. Thanks.

[@Numistacker]

Car1Sagan www.ngccoin.com/ncs-conservation/ they describe it better than I can. I often use this option for Gold as I think it conserves better than silver does in many ways.

[@Car1Sagan]

Thank you.

[@jonathangeorge613]

👍👍👍

[@xeganxerxes4319]

You've got a hell of a lot of coins.

[@jamesrobbins510]

I would like to buy the 1881 gothic florin what should I do?

[@Numistacker]

Email me as I had planned to enter it in Heritage but I’m happy to sell it to a subscriber too [e-mail]

[@charlesadkins7067]

Great coins

[@robertbrown888]

Numi how are you I would like to know how do I find someone of this coins

[@Numistacker]

Not sure I understand

[@MrGdawg125]

Is that an AP I spy? Nice watch mate!

[@pjob123]

How does this work? People send you their coins & you submit them, receive them & then ship them back to the owner?

[@Numistacker]

Yes people send me coins.. I video them.. send to NGC.. video the results and send back... we all learn

[@pjob123]

Numistacker Thats very cool. However, isn’t it costly? With all the shipping?Just curious. How does someone get on board? Thanks & great vids!

[@maxshiraz3447]

Not a bad Aussie accent. You may have some convict blood.

[@Numistacker]

G’day there sport

[@Gumardee_coins_and_banknotes]

I am proud to be a convict, now give me your bread.

[@stunna_CODM]

Why do people go spend money to get your coins graded? It’s easy to grade coins and the tools are fairly cheap if needed. If a coin is ms-65 then it’s ms-65 whether it’s ngc, anacs, or any company that says otherwise.

[@Numistacker]

Over 80,000,000 coins have been graded maybe more overall across all companies. Why? I suspect it’s to ease commerce and make it easier for buyers and sellers. Grading standards are very different across the grading companies and one man’s MS 65 is not the same as another man’s MS 65. As far as I can see only PCG ass and NGC are trusted and even then not fully trusted to get it right all the time. If I was buying your MS 65 coin and there was a big difference between the price of an MS 65 coin and MS 64 coin then clearly I would not want to take your word for the fact that the coin is an MS 65 I would definitely want to have it independently verified.