Off with your HEAD! Let's stop those bubbles in the 1750

[@pagrainfarmer]

Thanks for letting us watch, Chris.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks Charlie!

[@fredf3391]

Chris has an old-school mechanic .I would have got tractor up to operating temperature to pressure to cooling system pull the injectors out spin it over and see what cylinder water shoots out takes all the guess work out .But on the other hand your doing the work and the diagnosis Right

[@anthonyhengst2908]

Whoever came up with the idea for detaching those unloaders was ingenious. A neighbor with a n International tractor does it the same way. Sure is a nice tractor but all of your tractors are really nice.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks! The loaders for the American series were really slick. The loader frame tipped down and became the stand on those. Take 2 bolts out and away you go!

[@sterff89]

Enjoyed the video! Good news it wasn’t anything too crazy.

[@rosshall641]

At least today we have the long life coolant 6 years a lot of this deterioration happened with the old 2 year coolant I remember I used to keep it recharged all the time with nalcool but then sometimes you forget

[@davidstranz438]

Ten or twelve years ago the radiator in my 1600 diesel was starting to leak so I took it to a local radiator shop and the owner did a great job on the re- core. May of the following year while performing field work, the original Oliver fan threw a blade end and trashed the radiator necessitating a second re-core. If memory serves, each time was around $300. I now run a one piece, six blade flex fan.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Last radiator I had recored was for Herman. I think that was $600.

[@davidstranz438]

@@ThatOliverGuyChrisOuch!

[@michaelsheeder148]

Chris, sounds like for most part it's fairly good news for what you found so far🤞 thanks Michael

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I'm thinking so. I'm really impressed with the surface of the head, it looks almost new once it was cleaned up.

[@dougadams2948]

I feel your pain in loosing your wireless mic. I tell my wife that is the reason I don't shop for Christmas gifts early as I would never remember where I hid them. Keep up the great videos, I had another Oliver 1850 follow me home, its an 1850 and the motor is a turbo Perkins the previous owner was putting in, so its kind of a puzzle getting it back together. My son and I enjoy working on stuff together, and your videos really help us both learn.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

That's awesome that you guys get that time together. I wouldn't be making these videos if it weren't for the knowledge my dad passed on to me.

[@Dan-qy1rg]

Sounds like you had some good findings with your 1750 coolant bubbles, just being the gasket. Good luck with the fix, I hope it all goes well for you. Have a good day!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks Dan. I've got everything ready except the radiator. Hopefully, that doesn't take long.

[@Dan-qy1rg]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I didn't get the chance to say how much I enjoyed your experiences as a kid growing up. I have some similar ones, mine on a Farmall H and a two head corn picker and square baler. Dad had ran those when I was 9 to 12 years old, my first experiences running a tractor and equipment.🤠

[@bigfoot4515]

Glad you don't need to do an overhaul. Great news!

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I agree. I wato get back on that 1855 project.

[@mischef18]

Yep also enjoyed this video bro. Safe travels y'all.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks for watching!

[@gn5673]

Enjoy your videos Chris

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks

[@matthewolin4885]

Very nice video. I like the idea of switching the head bolts to the ARP head studs.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Thanks! The nice thing is with the head studs being 9/16, I can still use the Oliver lift eye.

[@WisconsinOliverNut]

Hmm, you may have a pretty easy fix here. Let's hope the new head gasket and checking the radiator are the end of the bubbles 😃 Sometimes it’s nice getting into an engine and just seeing signs of a good engine (cross-hatching, true block and head)

[@samholmes1156]

We had a 1968 1650 with the 3 speed and direct injection. It still had the For Men Who Grow sticker on the back of the LH fender. The 1655 bought new in 1971 had the Time Maker sticker in the same place.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've only seen a couple of tractors that had the decal where mine is. Maybe the supervisor was on vacation.

[@davidmarley9471]

Same. Bought a new 1550 built in June ‘68 and it had the FMWG sticker on the back of the left fender. Bought a new ‘71 1655 and it had the Timemaker sticker in that same place. I always thought it was a 50 vs 55 thing based on that limited research 😄. I’ve never seen one where your 1750 is, but maybe like you say, someone said ‘watch this’ that day 🤷🏻‍♂️. I agree with what you’ve said about the 1750 being kind of a Rodney Dangerfield, no respect. 😄

[@wilmamcdermott3065]

The only thing i didn't like was the plastic fuel return line Ts

[@Elijah-me5yg]

Great video, I like it when I watch a video that could pertain to me some point in my life 😊. Also I had a quick question, are most oliver rear wheel weights universal for a 1750 ?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

There were some slight modifications to the rear weights over the years, but the majority will fit.

[@Elijah-me5yg]

Thank you for the reply 😁, I'm just tired of spinning up a hill with corn silage forage boxes 😅

[@bigun447]

Back in the day when I started twisting wrenches, alcohol was the antifreeze of choice for most people simply because detergent oil was still suspect and permanent antifreeze was also suspect. Alcohol antifreeze if it leaked into the cylinders via a bad head gasket was not that critical other than the coolant going missing. Permanent antifreeze which is a ethelyne glycol (sugar based) coolant. A leaking head gasket that let it into the cylinders would cause the piston to cylinder walls to "gald" and it usually meant the bad cylinders had to be bored to oversize so usually all of the cylinders got bored and new pistons and rings were installed. Prestone was a popular permanent antifreeze because returning GIs remembered that the water cooled aircraft ran full Prestone coolant. I think that Prestone is the used name for most coolants today in some areas of the world. My dad was a proponent of the permanent antifreeze as it worked well, if the coolant system was good, and Wow, you could leave it in for 2 years before changing. With alcohol antifreeze the stuff usually needed draining and replacing with water for summer and then the water drained before winter approached. We opened all drain plugs and used a water hose to flush the cooling system. If it the stuff drained was almost mud, we would ask if the customer wanted the cooling system cleaned. If so we would fill the system with water and add some Sno-Bowl toilet cleaner. Let it sit and run for 30 minutes, then drain and flush the system and add antifreeze. Today people think the antifreeze is in the car for 250,000 miles. Today the coolant sold is a 50/50 mix. I think that came around because some thought they would just fill their systems with full strength antifreeze and that simply caused a ton of problems. And people are happy paying for a gallon jug that is half water. I divide the full strength stuff into 2 jugs of 50/50 as my water is cheaper than theirs. Of course today, you have different colors of antifreeze for different models. We had a customer whose engine was running a little hot. So he got out, raised the hood and removed the radiator cap. He could not see down into the tank so he lit a match to see if he could see the coolant level. The alcohol ignited, he got bad burns on his face and hands. Permanent antifreeze never did anything like that. All though, Ford had a big problem with Ambulances burning to the ground. The cause was that they installed AmsOil antifreeze in the system. There was a heater hose that was close to an exhaust manifold and it would develop a leak and spray on the manifold and ignite. I thought that was nuts until I had an ambulance in my shop because it had a dead rat in the interior air system. It was not a rat, it was a leaking heater core. It was winter time and I had a nice wood stove cranking out heat. I got that AmsOil all over my hand (no sissy glove days) and was shaking the excess off after laying the core on the work bench. One of the droplets hit the wood heater and caused an ignited puff to happen.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I have heard of guys using kerosene as antifreeze back in the depression era. Or you could do what another mechanic told me about a customer brought in. It was a Moline power unit, riddled with cracks. Turned outcit had straight water in it, and it had froze. When they asked the customer what he used for coolant, he said he got water from the creek, that never freezes.

[@johnkissack5295]

Good video! What is cross hatch? Thanks for explaining as you go very interesting.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

When the engine sleeves are honed, you don't want them perfectly smooth. They hone them with stones going up and down while turning, leaving very small 'scratches' in the surface. The up and down action leaves upward and downward patterns, to where it looks like a cross hatch. Those tiny scratches help the rings to seat, and also hold just a little bit of oil to help lubricate everything as it goes up and down. As everything wears, that cross hatch slowly disappears, so if you can still see it, things are still in good shape. I'll try to do a close up in the next video.

[@popswrench2]

caint see clearly , but y concern is pushrod side at "Y" water ports betwixt 4/5 & 5/6 . chafing and dark fire rings . also , measure sleeve stand out , above deck ???

[@wilmamcdermott3065]

Loved my1968 1750 cockshutt mine had the overunder hydro power

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

There weren't a lot of them made in red. That definitely would be nice with the 3 speed.

[@brettlamont4965]

How did you specialize in the front wheel assist. Seems like one pops up every now and then. Love the 1800fwa.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I've always been fond of them, and while they are rare, they seem to be more common in Michigan. A few we got before they were so sought after, including the 1800. A customer came to our dealership and was telling about this 1800 he had with a set up motor and how he was going to scrap it since no one wanted to buy it. So we bought it and fixed it up. It was 30 years ago that we finished the rest.

[@edwinhopcraft5974]

That's the first time I think I've ever seen that tractor with the loader off of it.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I think the last time I had it off was in 2012, when we took it to the tractor show at the Gilmore Car museum.

[@edwinhopcraft5974]

O ok I forgot you took that one also! So yep I seen it then also!

[@MikeJensen-wo7oh]

Maybe we should start a 'go fund me' for Ross's new shop? How big should it be, 60x100, more? How long would it take to become one big 'flat-surface'?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

LOL. What we do is go fund me the supplies, then have a build day when all his fans come and put the barn up. Then the next day we spread concrete, and Ross gets us a keg or two of barley pop. By the time we're skreetin that stuff out, there won't be a flat surface anywhere, and his shop will be clean forever. !

[@MikeJensen-wo7oh]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris No flat surfaces but would it keep him from piling stuff everywhere?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@@MikeJensen-wo7oh Ok, maybe 4 kegs and a level that's a whole bubble off.

[@Oliver880-eg8sz]

Sounds like you need to stock up on 310 rebuild kits.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Ive got enough for 2 1750s, but nothing for the turbo 310. I sometimes think about getting a set to put on the shelf, but how much money do I put into parts that I might never use?

[@Oliver880-eg8sz]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris since you own a couple of 310 turbo I think I would have a couple sets.

[@BobGriff-o9s]

I had an 1855 and did they change them head gasket on them 1855 put a head gasket on at once and run it through the years and it took it over there and they overhauled it. They put it back together and got home the head gasket leaking on one side, poor set up sold the tractor. Another mechanic fixed it didn’t tell me what you had to do it but he got it going good tractors for Hayward and stuff on fuel had had them for years.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Sleeve protrusion above the block is critical for a good head gasket deal on these engines.

[@bigfoot-wo3qy]

Put it in a safe spot....hate it when I do that....

[@jamieebersole6755]

I guess you gotta use the cherry picker since you got the loader tractor out of service. 😂😂 I like to do that kind of stuff in my dad's shop because he has i beams run across the ceiling with chain hoists on them.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I should do one of these jobs up front in the old dealership building. That has an I beam on the ceiling for the chain fall trolleys. It's also easier for the wife to catch me there... hmmm, maybe I'll stay out where I'm at . LOL

[@paulprillwitz9901]

😀😀😀👍👍👍👍👍

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

Hey Chris. Did you say your getting new head studs? Or are you using the other new style bolts and washers like in the 1855? I am having the radiator recored for our 1955 2wd and it will well over $1000.00. I have to pull the head off that tractor in the next week or so. I hope just head gasket as well, I thought agco did not off the head gasket any longer. I know there is two different styles deping on the rear dowel pun location.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I was going to use bolts like the 1855, but I couldn't find them in 9/16. I did find ARPS head studs and nuts, and it looks like they will fit perfectly. Studs are supposed to be better anyway. The non cooler block head gasket still shows as good on the Agco parts website. The turbo version has the dowels in different spots, and there's a couple of different coolant passages. I'd think the cooler block gasket would be the better seller and still be available. Go figure

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

@ThatOliverGuyChris Ok I knew there was something about the blocks. I forgot the oil cooler block was the difference. You would think that the turbo head gasket would be the better seller for sure. I was looking at arp for studs when I did the 1955 engine, but I couldnt find something that would work. I would definitely prefer studs over bolts. Did you call arp tech line to find the ones you need?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@aaronkaraszewski2749 I did some googling. I wasn't finding bolts, but I saw some studs for the Ford 6 liter diesel. So then I searched for 9/16 arps head studs and found a seller that listed the Arps part number. From there, it was just a matter of finding who had them for the best price. Amazon for the win. ARPs doesn't list list them individually on their website and say to call or get a catalog. They do have them in a kit, but you get more than you need, and it's cheaper to buy them by the piece.

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris ah yes the good old ford 6.0L. I actually called Arp looking for a kit but they didn't have any listing for a Waukesha of course and the guy on the phone had no idea that a tractor didnt have a big block chevy in it!! I and going to use the new style bolts and washers on the 1955 I have some left from before. I hope just a head gasket as well. I also have a head gasket from Maibach's hopefully its the correct for this engine.

[@aaronkaraszewski2749]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris I remember now Arp doesnt off any kind of 5/8 head studs. Thats what it was.

[@wilmamcdermott3065]

I actually still have the owners manual

[@richardpeoples2887]

Could you post the part numbers for the head studs and nuts?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I'll put them in the next video, but the nuts are ARP 300-8335 for a pack of 10, and the studs are ARP AQ6.500-1LB. They have some kits that have the studs and nuts for some other applications, but those are for V8s so you're buying more that you need. I found it was cheaper to buy the studs by the piece.

[@richardpeoples2887]

@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thank you

[@mikemullen2952]

You couldn’t hear me I kept telling you you missed a head bolt the 1750 is a nice tractor

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

😆. I must have had my headphones on! Thanks!

[@Ham68229]

If push rods had different lengths, that would be one thing but, they're all the same so, doesn't matter where they go, so long as they go back in proper holes to mate against the cam/lifter. Be amazed as to how many can screw that up. Just don't ever re use head bolts. Chris, did you check the head itself? They do crack, same with the block. I mean it's obvious the head gasket does need to be replaced.

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

New head studs and nuts are already here. I didn't spray the crack detect stuff on the head, but I think I will just to be safe. Once the surface was cleaned up, it looks almost like new.

[@davidroberts3489]

I hide stuff from myself within minutes of walking into my shop.😅

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I found the microphone. Of course it has too many settings to figure out, so an upcoming video isn't going to sound 100% at first, but I think I have it set now.

[@baileyattheoliveracreage]

Interesting video Chris, I am curious, did you happen to check sleeve protrusion for #6 sleeve? I also sent you a email about 2-155 questions over the holiday. Hood you had a happy thanksgiving!! Bailey @The Oliver Acreage

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

I haven't gotten a dial indicator out, just ran my fingernail across to see if it catches. It's a case of plausible deniability. If I go and measure, next thing you know, I'm tearing the whole engine down. I'm going to roll with 50 years of running since the engine was last opened up, and the head bolts got a little stretched. I checked my email. I bought my headlights for the 2-155 off ebay. The originals were the same 4x6 headlamps GM used on most of their cars in the early 80s. The silver stripe headlights are just on or off, so I made sure to wire the juice to the high beam post on the bulb.

[@baileyattheoliveracreage]

@ I know what you mean about checking the sleeve protrusion. It would be a different case if it was a different scenario I suppose. As for the lights, I was curious if that’s what you did. Did you just tape the low beam wire off on the headlight then? Bailey @The Oliver Acreage

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

@baileyattheoliveracreage if I remember right, I popped the wire out of the plug so it wasn't an issue. I think I had switch the other 2 wires to get the polarity correct,l.

[@eb17816]

In the next video. Can you put the Agco part number of the head gasket in it?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Yep. Just to note, this gasket is different than the ones for the turbo 310s with the cooler block.

[@eb17816]

@ThatOliverGuyChris You really should put yourself in for a raise. You deserve it.

[@gn5673]

Does anyone know how many mains are in a 310 gas Waukesha engine?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

That's a 7 main engine

[@charlietanner6211]

alway s love when it,s story time this was one of the better one,s i think i take it you all were oliver dealer we had 2 big ones here in my area they sold a lot of oliies still some around always thought they were tuff just needed better dealer network and little better styleing i,m mf nut but have a 4/150 less than 2400 hrs oh by the way will a 354 perkin out of 1850 fit in 1750 do you know thanks for you,re knowledge

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

We started with Oliver in 37 and stayed in the business through all the mergers and whatnot, finally closing our doors in 1998. The front tub was different between the 1750 and 1850. If youvswap tubs it's a bolt together project. I've heard of guys putting the Perkins in the Waukesha tub. It takes some fabrication of engine mounts and some cutting on the frame to get it all to fit.

[@clarencetrice4442]

😊😊 U should use a wire wheel in a drill 2 clean the engine block and the cylinder head it all the carbon off / most of those old tractors 🚜 😊 haven't had anything done 2 them since they left the factory many years ago 😮😮 the 1ST sign when a cylinder head gasket is bad U will oil or antifreeze I wouldn't run it like that at all its better 2 replace the cylinder head gasket and be done W it 😊😊 even though it may take some time ⏲️ 😮 2 do U will be alot better off in the long run and save alot of headaches 😊😊 OMG 12 2 2O24

[@zacharygarrett8895]

Was this your dad's main tractor in 67?

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

Probably not. We had an 1850 FWA for some time, but I don't know exactly when. I wish that one was still around, but dad sold it and the second owners had a fire that totaled it.

[@daleolson3506]

The music junked another video 👎👎👎👎💩💩💩😬

[@ThatOliverGuyChris]

So 40 seconds of music in a time lapse segment that would have otherwise been silent ruined a 36-minute video? You must be loads of fun at parties.

[@daleolson3506]

@ didn’t want to punish my ears turned it off. If I wanted music I’d watch mtv