Jim Cornette Reviews Bayley vs. Sasha Banks at WWE Hell In A Cell

From Episode 163 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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[@abnuridd24]

Lana being put through the announce table is burying the announce table.

[@exequiel9772]

Can't get mad at that woman. WWE book her like that (idk why she sucks as a wrestler)...

[@Blastanker]

This is the funniest comment.

[@kalen2465]

Seriously they put Lana through a table every week. How is she still standing?

[@al5306]

@The Legend If I were WWE, I'd mess with you and have NIa and Lana wear the same outfit every week and do the same spot just to confuse you.

[@murrlandmac6340]

Hasn’t she gone through that table like three weeks in a row

[@GenXeroFilms]

Bayley: "I'm too sweaty can you help me with this?" Referee: "NO, I'M NOT GONNA HELP YOU!"

[@chriswicecarver3715]

@Comicbook guy If it were Sasha who was sweaty...I'd volunteer to "help".

[@caseyj8313]

The majority of her fans would pay good money for that tummy sweat

[@0newingedcrow]

I was bummed out when Jim fast forwarded through that part. For all that he didn't like, and knowing that he wouldn't be happy about it, I still think he would have cracked up at that!

[@max__p1765]

@@caseyj8313 Sorry, I don´t care about both ladies... I am more the type for some Bliss in the funhouse.. 🤣🤣 Talking about Bliss. For me Bailey´s heel run is so lala, her "hugging" face character was killed by her feud with Alexa, sorry...

[@ZYaKnoe249]

That was hilarious

[@pearlsworld1681]

Right now a lot of the women’s matches looks more real than the men’s.

[@alokel8710]

Once you get over the fact that the competitors are 130 lb. instagram models, yes.

[@Him_Downstairs36]

I think the fact that the women are less athletic helps them in those spots.

[@AJ-xv7oh]

@@alokel8710 And that's just the men.

[@Greg4fun]

Disagree strongly.

[@GooglyMcDoubleface]

You’re not the first want to say that and I can’t remember who did say that the women are doing better than the guys

[@ok2smokeganja]

She wanted that specific chair because she had used it to try to break Sashas neck before...that’s why she had been carrying it for weeks

[@darrengordon-hill]

@Andre Ricardo Bryant IT'S A CHAIR, OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY!! Same shit as the "tables with names on them"... as if those tables are "more dangerous".

[@el-youtub3r402]

@@darrengordon-hill exactly, the spot at the start of this match was garbage!

[@el-youtub3r402]

IT'S A CHAIR!

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@el-youtub3r402 Items in this context need be signature/sentimental - Jeff Jarrett's guitar for example; the babyface will ultimately win the feud with a guitar shot, having received/witnessed many in the build up to that. Idea I'm seeing is they win Slammys for "Women's tag team of the year", Bayley breaks Sasha's during her heel turn, Sasha returns the favour at HIAC signifying her FINALLY accepting the end of the friendship, only "prize" to fight for is the belt, Sasha wins... simple but effective. Pretty sure I saw Sasha pushing out kendo sticks through the cell mesh... then later using a kendo stick; lost me there

[@SupraViperhead]

@@darrengordon-hill The chair was less about it being a chair and more about it being the thing she used to injury Sasha with. It was a Psychological ploy, but I will agree that Bayley panicking after the chair was thrown out made little sense... But when you have a parking spot in mind and in your view and you drive up to it then someone pulls into that spot, it pisses you off even though there are another hundred parking spots because you had planned on parking at that one specifically; it makes no logical sense to get pissed off at someone taking your spot, but it's not the taking of the spot that triggers that emotion, but the fact that it forced you to change your plans.

[@MilMaska]

"There is no reason to have a cage match if there is no blood" - Jim Cornette

[@alokel8710]

There's no reason to have a cage match IMHO. Aside from people will buy a ticket.

[@robertd9000]

And Cornette is spot on correct. Traditionally speaking, a cage match was often used as the blow off match to end a feud and blood was a prerequisite. A cage match or just about any other gimmick match without blood is senseless and makes the business look even worse for wear. This rests solely on Vince's shoulders because a decade ago, he decided to prohibit it and we went from having blood in a match semi-weekly to never having it again unless by accident.

[@LplusRatioplusNobodyCares]

He’s right

[@MarkTheBastardCassidy]

"I'm not being sexist... but women shouldn't use weapons because it renders it meaningless when the men do it." LOL

[@anthonymorlett146]

Cornette is so old school drives me nuts sometimes!!! he doesn't get selling female vs female there is less force because well girls are smaller that's why it still works... If a male hit a female with a chair she would get put in the ER... but if a female hit a male which has happened the male just ends up pissed off ! that why it still works @Official Jim Cornette

[@MarkTheBastardCassidy]

@@anthonymorlett146 yep.. context is everything. You have to allow yourself to get invested in each individual match... Jim's mindset makes zero sense.

[@anthonymorlett146]

@@MarkTheBastardCassidy he is old school he won't admit that he had some crap too like Mantaur and heavily bodies which was a joke tag team in WWF!!! some stuff Jim did is 100% worst than Ottis and unwatchable

[@randylynch4330]

Its true though. The women are not tougher than the men. That's just reality. Put any of the men against any of the women in a legit fist fight and outside of Shayna, none of them are gonna even get a strike in

[@MarkTheBastardCassidy]

@@randylynch4330 But that has nothing to do with this? We're not talking about inter-gender matches... Cornette is bitching about a match between TWO women because in his mind it detracts from something the men MIGHT do mater on. That's sexist, no matter how you slice it.

[@harveycryst222]

"So the guys have to do something even worse & even more extreme" Seth Rollins literally poked out someones eye on television.

[@topupmusicmanagement1695]

Whilst having a game of ping pong lol

[@harveycryst222]

@@topupmusicmanagement1695 not the 1st time. I still found it cringe, but it looked believable.

[@jeremy9306]

Jim doesn't like Asuka or Sasha Banks but loves Charlotte and Rhonda Rousey. Jim your opinion on woman's wrestling has no validity.

[@kalen2465]

Most woman's wrestling is like the men's wrestling. It's so convoluted. I mean if you have to for ever to set up a table. The other person should with spring up and stop you. Or put you through the table. Instead they pretend to be a dead body up until the point they fly through the table.

[@jeremy9306]

@@kalen2465 That's been going on for over 20 years now. It's modern day wrestling. I'm not a fan of it either but it is what it is. I would much rather see Sasha and Bayley in a normal match but this was a great hell in a cell match. Unfortunately we get three almost every year and it's just to much.

[@jeremy9306]

@Steve Creator If you are going to have creator in your name, you might want to try and be creative with your insults. How about changing your name to Troll Mark.

[@jeremy9306]

@Nathaniel BaxterThat's why she's had great to amazing matches with practically every woman on the roster. If you don't like Sasha Banks that's fine, but don't try and act like she's some scrub. It makes you look ignorant when it comes to wrestling.

[@jeremy9306]

@Steve Creator Ok Troll Mark. Keep telling yourself that.

[@ascendancy425]

That Bayley/Sasha match should have been the main event. It was fantastic.

[@simplyrecommended]

Put some respect on bayley's Karen haircut

[@garymartling6055]

I’d like to put some respect on Bayley’s booty when I’m done with Anna Jay’s and Penelope Ford’s

[@xxmythxx956]

@@garymartling6055 ok

[@Hellwolf36]

And her chin Is not?

[@JonLa89]

Yall can have those lil girls just put me in a body lock of Jordyn grace bread dough arms and have Suzy/Su Yung sit on my face.

[@marvellegends_uk]

Trying to find the end of the tape is the true HELL!

[@tobiasfarragut292]

@Trump4Prison2021 or twisted like a candle ember lol same shit I thought you “gimmick” the tape as corny would put it

[@TheFriendlyWeirdo]

Heel Bayley is best Bayley.

[@HisDudeness316]

@Trump4Prison2021 as the dad of autistic kids, if I heard you use that word as an insult I'd put your teeth down your throat. Grow up.

[@tobiasfarragut292]

@Trump4Prison2021 heard that whole novel you wrote in Trumps voice

[@purveyoroftruth7096]

Bayley is awful on the mic

[@subhumann]

the only thing this match was missing was a sign reading "Free Bird Seed".

[@georgedavisii2451]

Jim’s point all the defenders of this match are missing is that too many wrestlers are getting HURT nowadays, men AND women, because of spots like these which aren’t necessary

[@SupraViperhead]

No, his point is that women doing this ruins the gimmick, which isn't true. He thinks that if a 120lb girl who can only life 50lbs swings a chair at another 120lb girl who can only lift 50lbs and she kicks out that it somehow means that a 285lb man who can lift 300lbs can't sell a chair swung by a 385lb man who can lift 900lbs. The person committing the act and the person having the act committed onto them matter just as much as the act itself. His follow up about people getting injured was a recent tack-on. People don't HAVE to "up the ante", they CHOOSE to.

[@georgedavisii2451]

@@SupraViperhead I feel like he’s emphasized that spots like they used in the hiac should only be used sparingly and then by the top/main event guys...and even then only very rarely. Man or woman, you can’t argue that if you keep doing sh*t like that, eventually somebody can get hurt. Real bad. As far as the woman go...is it really necessary for them to go EXTREME to have a good match? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@SupraViperhead]

@@georgedavisii2451 Of course if they keep going over the top, someone's going to get hurt, but that wasn't his point with women doing gimmick matches. To him, the women's match ITSELF IS a gimmick match. He put the women's match in the same breath as the midget matches in the past. As far as women going to extremes to have a good match, it isn't necessary, but is it necessary for MEN to go to those extreme's to have a good match either? When thinking of the greatest matches in history (male or female) NONE have been extreme gimmick matches. If it's okay for men to do, it should be okay for women to do; but I also believe that it should be RARE for BOTH to do it (even go as far to say it should be more rare for women, which it still is) as doing it too often makes it less "special" and more "commonplace", but WWE has turned nearly every gimmick into an annual PPV, so that's out the door. Even if they wait another 5 years to do a Woman's HIAC match, it still won't be special because the Men have them every year and people no longer see women as being less capable than men. I think the Casket match is the only gimmick match they can still get away with that they haven't turned into a commonplace match.

[@rickybobbyroode9814]

Zuckerton You explained it perfectly. That’s probably the worst point Jim has ever made. By his logic heavyweight boxers should use weapons because middleweight boxers can knock each other out. It’s so stupid.

[@xPhenomenal1]

Who’s down for a Watch-Along for the first ever HIAC between Taker/HBK from Bad Blood 97?

[@scottyjeff39]

I was at that ppv in St. Louis. Debut of Kane.

[@facejobby]

I love listening to Jim, but he's dead wrong about this. Often the women's stuff is the best stuff on the show these days.

[@twanmack2686]

Jim doesn't like women's wrestling unless its Charlotte Flair (wonder why... Hint:the last name), Natalya ( generational wrestler) or Rhea Ripley because she's a big girl. Fuck the old rellic

[@facejobby]

@@twanmack2686 Yeah, once again, I can't echo your last sentiment. He is irrevocably stuck in this ways, but I feel people can often divine worth from what he says, no matter how crude and honest it may be. But his perception of women in wrestling is definitely tainted by his age and unwillingness to open up to the possibility of newer things having credence. But given that he skips most women's matches, I think people cant disregard most of what he says anyway. You have to at least watch to give an informed opinion, even if it wouldn't likely differ were he to watch.

[@twanmack2686]

@@facejobby exactly. How are you going to criticize something if you don't watch it. That's like me saying I hate coffee (which I do) but never trying it (yes I've tried a bunch, but it not my thing).

[@facejobby]

@@twanmack2686 Yup. P.S. I also don't like coffee despite trying it many times. HIGH FIVE!

[@TWOnly666]

@@facejobby I think his perception of women's wrestling is more tainted by LPWA not being successful unlike everything else touched. But I skip Cornette's women's wrestling reviews because why bother. I agree with 90% of the crazy old bastard's statements and love his stories why focus on the ten percent.

[@angeldaroseli3031]

Cornette: "Just Bleed!"

[@Ticketman99]

But he doesn't watch UFC lol

[@gradyjackson1492]

@Shadow Slayer 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Paducahrus]

@Shadow Slayer I wasn't fast enough. Damn.

[@sirneriosomurder]

Jim knows we are on the pg era, right?

[@angeldaroseli3031]

@@sirneriosomurder WWE can go TV-14 on PPV right? The TV show have to be PG, but on a PPV I think if they wanted to they could add some colour.

[@Topshelfmedia1]

Disagree with you strongly on this one Jim, sasha and Bayley stole the show on a pretty good ppv

[@blackout8777]

lmao vomit

[@4cuttime]

I agree!

[@aladdin8482]

Nah roman reigns and jey USO stole the show u sasha stan

[@RealRealist515]

Nah

[@jonathanj2666]

I think they could have done it, without attempting to end each others careers

[@bobdonda]

god that's frustrating that he didn't even see the finish... over a year long title run comes to an end and he doesn't even watch the finish

[@shannonbayley3684]

Love ya Corny, but I strongly disagree. Men and women can do the same thing. Their size and strength is what makes the difference. Sasha smashing Bayley with a chair, is relevant force and strength to them. Completely different from Drew's force and strength against Orton for instance.

[@twanmack2686]

Yup

[@Squirtketchupallovermyhotdog]

Nah

[@MisterJonesification]

Yup

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

@@Squirtketchupallovermyhotdogin terms of wrestling, they can.

[@FreeThinkAlways]

Nah. Things like this just buried the hell in a cell match. Having it on rare occasions to end a main event feud in a blood brutal match used to be the big blow off. Guys used to be nervous competing in it. Now it's been buried on its years B show ppv and has throw away women's matches in them where they just play like children with furniture ect. No emotions or storytelling, just a silly goof around match. There's a reason cell matches from the 90s to around 2006 are highly regarded and well remembered

[@anthonyharris4234]

Its like a low fat Twinkie. - Jim cornette

[@foghornleghorn6383]

Hell in the Cell is a overplayed match!! This type of match shouldn't be happening that much!!!

[@henrikschmidt3964]

I wholeheartedly agree! It should not be a regular supercard (formerly PPV). It should be saved as the ultimate grudge match rather than being an annual thing. I think this applies to all gimmick grudge matches. I could go with an annual War Games event. They could put it on a card called, say, Fall Brawl.

[@davidjsaul]

Definitely agree, it needs to be kept unique for an ultimate end to a feud, maybe seen once per year or 18 months at most.

[@MMA-CLIPS2]

Hell in a cell has no place in wrestling today. Go back to 1998 and compare the matches then to now, they can't do anything remotely entertaining anymore.

[@nazmie1179]

@@henrikschmidt3964 100% agree

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

@@MMA-CLIPS2 I mean Taker vs Brock was good think it was 2016

[@Supervillain725]

Corny: "I don't mean to pick everything apart..." Continues to pick everything apart.

[@travisburnett5685]

3 cage matches and nobody got color WTF?!!? The Hell in a Cell PPV and zero blood

[@teecakes]

Drew was bleeding from the mouth after he fell from the cage not sure how Corny missed that

[@travisburnett5685]

@@teecakes yes sir. You are absolutely right. I completely forgot about Drew bleeding from the mouth. I stand corrected man

[@sirneriosomurder]

Bro, we are in the pg era, the program its focused to kids and families.

[@LimaKiloRomeo]

@@sirneriosomurder If that's the case, then just don't do these types of matches 💁🏿‍♂️

[@LilZeusWrld]

Match was great. Just didn’t involve any tall white woman like Charlotte Flair , so of course Jim hates it.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

False. He loved Serena Deeb vs Thunder Rosa.

[@vista1456786]

@@shaolin1derpalm Gail Kim too and awesome Kong

[@shaolin1derpalm]

@@vista1456786 coincidentally I also "love" Gail Kim

[@LilZeusWrld]

Only difference between those women & Sasha Banks is that Sasha is the highest drawing woman wrestler today in terms of the ratings with her segments & matches. Now her fame has transitioned to Hollywood. Facts is Facts. Jim picks favorites like most wrestling fans. Y’all don’t look at it as a business.

[@gregoryfuller9736]

Becky is more popular than Sasha people might not want to admit but it true as Becky was outselling all the men wrestler in merchandise at one point.

[@tv44-alternative23]

:"If the girls can withstand this stuff, then the guys cant never 'sell' it again. The guys will have to do something even worse." This will be the right moment for WWE to bring back New Jack and permanently have him on the cards

[@Ticketman99]

Nah. WWE should go shoot fighting now. Lol

[@alphonsemaina8293]

@@Ticketman99 Raw Underground?

[@Ticketman99]

@@alphonsemaina8293 That presentation, Brawl For All and the infamous Angle vs Puder Tough Enough moment all combined.

[@Andrewflynn16]

Or you know they could just be treated equally 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@richardfinn2690]

Oh I wonder who the millennial is here, awe schucks cant everyone just be equal in a utopian society......#_"& you dude

[@SunshineStateCoasters]

I usually don’t but I’m going to have to disagree with you Jim. These two have been going at it for over 5 years and have made one of if not the best storylines coming from female wrestlers. So I think the excessive use of foreign objects is justified for their long feud!

[@bobdonda]

Jim hardly sees anything on Smackdown and hasn't followed Bayley's amazing run on top at all, he has no idea of the buildup to this match and why they're taking it to this level. This deserved to be in HIAC. The problem is three HIAC matches on one card, but he chose to complain about this match instead.

[@SunshineStateCoasters]

@@bobdonda Your so right! This match needed the cell, if it was a normal match, it wouldn’t have the same investment. I kind of understand what Jim is saying but just because their women, DOES NOT MEAN they can’t have a brutal match. This isn’t the 90’s anymore, these two proved that women inside the Cell can work just as well as the guys!

[@ExcommunicadoKuahana]

The argument doesn't hold up because the force isn't equal

[@georgecoley9514]

I thought the same. Any move from a 250+ lb dude is gonna hurt more than the same from a 130 lb woman.

[@Justin-bo5pg]

I always thought that when people complained that cruiserweights were doing powerbombs and tombstones and guys were kicking out. There's a difference between Kevin Nash powerbombing you vs Dean Malinko power bombing you.

[@rayhoyer4829]

Hell in a cell is for men period and needs blood

[@ajgdwn]

"Hell in the Cell is for men" The men haven't had a good Cell match in years. I agree that blood should make an appearance during cage matches, but to say something like this and act like the girls haven't been showing up the guys in the Cell is ridiculous.

[@ExcommunicadoKuahana]

@@rayhoyer4829 why

[@dillondruggz]

Lol to quote Corny himself in regards to how no one buys weapons in matches: "You ever been in a fight? How many times did you throw the guy into the corner?" It's not real, Jim, chill tf out.

[@sadiah92]

Question: why does the way the woman's cell matches and how they are worked impact the way a man's cell match is worked? I thought the match was great and although most cell matches have that pattern of many weapons no blood, I thought this match was really good. Just a thought...

[@kalen2465]

After Bailey went through the table/ladder with the chair. She should have been out cold. If that fails being suplexed onto the freaking ladder should have done it. Jeff Hardy has been in ladder matches, tlc matches, and other shit. He used to use the Swanton bomb frequently. Though do to the mentioned matches his back is jacked up. If the women can do this stuff without being jacked up. It makes the guys look like a joke.

[@ZerosRogers]

@@kalen2465 doesn’t at all lol

[@TheGarySphere]

That's just Cornette gimmick is to hate everything his ideal watch is two 300lb men doing rest holds and scoop slams

[@darrengordon-hill]

Because if girls can do it, it's not impressive. Michael Jordan is nicknamed "Air" for his high flying acrobatics/dunks. Few professional women can dunk. If it takes 4 chair shots to Sasha for a count, one chair shot can't stop Brock...

[@phileast1654]

Take away gender and just look at the size difference, if sasha can get up from all of that stuff then the big main event heavyweights essentially have to no sell it and all of the spots just lose the impact. An example would be If a cruiserweight took multiple rkos and kicked out then the move would lose all its legitimacy

[@dpradis]

Jim “I ❤️ big, blonde women” Cornette.

[@BrandonMoore-tf2dj]

He hated Sable....

[@kena322]

@@BrandonMoore-tf2dj BIG blonde women

[@jb0609]

his wife is not a blonde. so you are wrong

[@bradpaton3927]

NOT Lacey Evans!

[@wrestlingblah8489]

"What was the f* finish? A machine gun or a machete?" 🤣🤣🤣

[@nickebert7453]

“I am not being feminist” -Jim Cornette

[@Traducteur1]

He's not against femininity either! 😂

[@RealMexFoodShouldntGiveUDrrhea]

The way he used it there made it sound like racist lol I still got it though

[@Wolfang707]

This review is cringe. They had a great match! Gender shouldn't matter.

[@jeevesosiris]

I don't get Jim's "if the girls can stand this then the guys should easily be able to" because surely... by his logic, girls don't hit as hard, so it's all proportional? Its not like a 300lbs dude is hitting them with a chair. It's another women's wrestler. Sadly Jim will never see women's wrestling as anything other than a side dish to the guys...

[@chamae01]

That's what I was thinking,apples and oranges

[@scareypete13]

When Cornette asked "when did they start this stacking furniture" I said ECW at the exact time Brian did.

[@drnkendramaqueen]

Sasha Banks has the most highest rated women’s matches in WWE of the Four Horsewomen era since 2015. She’s arguably not even in her prime yet. She’s been putting on the most consistent and strongest showings for the women’s division this year and this HITC clash was easily another classic entry to her other hallmark matches against Bayley. To each their own but Cornette is a bit more bias than he wants to admit.

[@dantemcedgelord9331]

bayley and asuka are doing consistent great work, i've never seen a sasha match without her botching atleast 1 move. for all i care, she could retire and smoke pot with snoop the rest of her life

[@drnkendramaqueen]

@@dantemcedgelord9331 Bayley is great but her title reign has been full of filler because she can’t bring match quality up. She isn’t that type of ring general. Asuka is awesome, no disagreements here. Sasha will go down in history as one of the best homegrown talents WWE has produced whether anyone likes it or not 🤷‍♂️

[@cedrice.4777]

@@dantemcedgelord9331 what did she botched in this Hell In a Cell match?

[@ajaniwade4970]

@@dantemcedgelord9331 Sasha is easily better than Bayley. Sasha has had better matches and is more popular.

[@THESiCKISHEAR]

@@cedrice.4777 She didn't. People just like to bring it up to disrespect her.

[@andremotivation6561]

I actually agree with Jim unfortunately. As much as I thought this was one of the most entertaining matches of the night. Logically if the women don't sell it, how could the men sell it. On top of the fact that i think its ridiculous that "Hell In A Cell" is even a titled PPV. It takes the mystic out of it. It should be a special event within its self.

[@ZYaKnoe249]

I like Rhea but Jim has a fascination with her the way he does/did for MJF

[@moeski17]

Rip to his liking of MJF though 😂😂😂

[@joshbusby47]

Yep.

[@F7Aengineer]

Right

[@CM-jc7gk]

I mean HHH has twice in the last couple of weeks randomly named her as his go-to pick to be atop the entire industry in 3-5 years. With the direction women's wrestling is trending, combined with the eventuality of HHH/Steph taking over all of WWE from Vince, combined with how great Rhea already is at just 23 years old, Cornette's just reading the obvious writing on the wall.

[@psychobluesfxt]

I just watched this match today and Jim definitely missed out. You don't need blood to appreciate this one, lots of great stuff. It was very well paced, well worked and it got the plot across of Sasha finally getting her revenge on Bayley, the friend who betrayed her despite how much she contributed to her year+ long reign.

[@hobnobbob8006]

The match was garbage and ridiculous

[@marcofonseca7631]

Again, love Cornette, but disagree, hell of a match

[@LimaKiloRomeo]

The physicality was good, but the overall point is that the match shouldn't have happened. 3 hell in a cell matches (or routine hell in a cell matches) shouldn't ever happen, non of these matches warranted the cell, the psychology of a lot of these matches make them look like stunt shows where no one cares about injuries, and a lot of weapon aren't warrented in these storylines.

[@rickybobbyroode9814]

This is the one feud that should’ve got the HIAC match. No one cares about Randy except old people and Roman could’ve had a regular “I quit” match.

[@itamarstrauss5170]

You can't say I'm not being sexiest and then say a girl's match

[@randylynch4330]

How is that sexist? It wasn't the guys match....

[@itamarstrauss5170]

@@randylynch4330 because he wouldn't say "boys match"

[@randylynch4330]

@@itamarstrauss5170 he says guy match.....

[@itamarstrauss5170]

@@randylynch4330 but he wouldn't say boys...

[@randylynch4330]

@@itamarstrauss5170 guys and boys is the same as girls. Are you actually that sensitive? Grow up

[@charlesleeray8977]

It is "sports entertainment". It can and probably should be watched with a little bit of suspension of disbelief. It is not the UFC. This was an awesome match that told an incredible story.

[@tempestfennac9687]

Jim's habit of complaining about certain things not being done in UFC is pretty annoying when you consider how about 90% of pro wrestling moves are either useless or way too awkward to pull off in real fights and elements like taunting or playing to the crowd will just get you KOed to trapped in a submission in MMA matches. It's a bit like complaining because a movie about a historical event glossed over a lot of historical info while making things look more exciting than they were in real life.

[@kingcam0775]

Sports Entertainment is shite. Pro wrestling has only ever been worth shit when it was made to make people believe in it, whether anyone believed or not. As an "art" it's shite and always will be.

[@thegillmanedits]

@@kingcam0775 Imagine EVER believing pro wrestling was real. LOL. Sucks to be you.

[@kingcam0775]

@@thegillmanedits your reading comprehension is embarrassing.

[@tempestfennac9687]

@@RopeDrink I know what you mean about the lack of selling and setting up ridiculous stunts being a problem (I was thinking about more conventional wrestling tropes when I was replying to Charles like how Power Bombs and Dropkicks would be useless or way too awkward to execute in real fights and how playing to the crowd has been a big part of wrestling for decades).

[@jovanss2361]

I dont like matches that have everything in them. But it's BS to say they can't do XYZ in a match bc they're women if they're over the way Bayley & Sasha are

[@chamae01]

I think you have to be a little invested in their story to love the match. I thought it was great.

[@atchaos4life]

Hell in a Cell matches should have stopped after Undertaker vs Mankind.

[@stuartoreilly2019]

I love Cornette but I couldn't disagree more with him on this. His views are very, very typical of an old school, Southern wrestling veteran. Jim just doesn't believe that the women should be on the same level as the men and within WWE, the women are the main talents now.

[@leostenbuck4194]

They're "relevant" in a decaying medium with dwindling audiences.

[@aaronexplicable2111]

It's not about being on the same level as the men. This match was basically a spot fest. I remember thinking when Sasha was thrown into the chair in the corner how great of an ending that would be....if chairs tables and kendo sticks weren't being used all throughout the match.

[@shindean]

He's been adamant about this because the women aren't being original, they're just trying to keep up with the men...which is absolutely stupid. There's a reason why the Women's revolution came about the exact same time as NXT 4 Horsewomen...because it was unexpected, original, and made them stand out from the men. What are they going to do for a future HIAC, out carnage Mick Foley?

[@zsomborbudai7473]

I love Jim with my heart but he missed this match completly. This was an awesome match the Randy vs Drew match was awful compares to this.

[@aaronexplicable2111]

@@shindean Its not about keeping up with the men, did you even listen to what he said?

[@725slashbum]

Cornette: I don't want to be sexist, but... Proceeds to be sexist for 20 minutes. Cool. Way to go Jim. Anyone still surprised no one wants to hire him?

[@TheKyoput]

Disagree with Corny here, but that's okay. Still love him

[@georgecoley9514]

Youre a man of distinction, clearly. And that's the beauty of it...I just wanna hear him rail against things, haha. I don't have to agree, he just entertains the shit outta me.

[@coldnightmare199]

Be careful he might block you for that

[@jgeorge2693]

@prowlifik you clearly didn’t watch

[@shindean]

He's on point though, the best accomplishments that the women have achieved weren't that they needed to keep up with the men, it's standing out on their own. 4 Horsewomen of NXT, cool...nobody expected that. Trying to make their Hell in a Cell match stand out...Mick Foley says LOL

[@TheKyoput]

@@shindean no one is comparing it to the men but y'all. Corny goes there every time and it's fine. i get why he has that opinion. I get why anyone has that opinion. I just disagree. Also, it's funny you mention Foley. He had high praise for the match, and before the show he even said it would be the match of the night. he was correct. Again, if you want to compare them to the men, that's a you problem. Im just enjoying the greatness from two of the company's best workers.,

[@Aaronnt]

Hell in a cell matches used to hold caged animals like Brock Lesnar, Triple H, Undertaker and Mick Foley, the matches looked dangerous. Nowadays they have 5 foot 6 8 stone women in them, why is Cornette of any prominence the only guy willing to call this stuff out?

[@keithfavara4943]

Don't agree with Jim on this one at all. I thought this match was really entertaining.......actually thought it was the most entertaining match that I've seen in a long time regardless of whether it was a men's or women's match and it was easily the best match of the night.......and this is coming from someone who has was never really impressed with Sasha up until this point. That match changed my opinion of her going forward. That flying knee strike thing when she had Bailey up against the cage with a table was awesome!!!

[@zsomborbudai7473]

Yes i agree. I love Jim I usually agree with him but this match was great.

[@ratiolilbro5731]

nah it was just a spot fest. no believable fight was put up by either woman. the build up sucked too.

[@tazwarhossain5283]

Yup absolutely he's overthinking this one!!

[@AJH3518]

The duct tape got put over

[@darrengordon-hill]

Duck tape has resiliency under pressure.

[@carloslozada470]

Cornette stuck in 86

[@Abusiveyes]

JC is such a republican. Saying "I'm not being sexist." Just like when racists say "You know I'm not racist buttttt"

[@bobdonda]

holy shit, Jim actually watched a Bayley match during her 500 days as champion. it's about time.

[@christianrapper]

He is upset about them setting up “contraptions” but is ok with people being thrown into the ropes and coming back like a cartoon. Wrestling has always been stupid and made no sense.

[@MrAndersonLP]

Correct. Nothing about wrestling has ever looked remotely real, that’s why it’s wrestling. I do agree however that some things are way too far past that line of “suspending your disbelief” such as laying on a ladder for nearly a minute whilst someone fumbles with duct tape. If they’re unconscious for a minute, you pin them...lol.

[@christianrapper]

@@MrAndersonLP that’s like when wrestlers slowly crawl to the top rope and jumps on a wrestler that’s lying there. Stuff like that happens throughout every match. It’s hard to believe now that anyone ever thought that wrestling was real.

[@Ticketman99]

@@MrAndersonLP "that's why it's wrestling"? Ben Askren would've loved that to be true when he faced Jordan Burroughs. Lol

[@bobdonda]

Nothing wrong with them setting up contraptions if they do it quickly. In these matches they took too much time playing Legos that it distracted from the matches somewhat, it slowed down the matches too much.

[@christianrapper]

@Schreck Network really? He also had a hand in making Kane who is an undead wrestler. How is that remotely realistic you sinning heathen who consumes filthy secular sin filled music?

[@Jlo2.03]

"Guys are getting injured nowaday" Meanwhile 80% of the stars from the 80s are dead, or got injured, but instead of taking time off they got drug habits and are forced to still workin their mid 50s-early 60s

[@alokel8710]

Say what you will about the stars of the 80s, but their in ring styles didn't lead to many injuries.

[@AJ-xv7oh]

Totally missed his point and then you made that up. Brilliant.

[@Jlo2.03]

@@AJ-xv7oh I get it, flippy shit shit causes injuries, hes not wrong, but where he loses me is bragging abt guys working thru injuries

[@zacharyhardy6332]

I agree the match was over the top but I think Corny is off because UFC has shown us that women in combat sports are equally as brutal as men. Yes guys sell more tickets, but I think girls and guys can be (somewhat) equal on the card. Now the matches should obviously be laid out different and reined in. But I think Sasha and Bayley (Becky, Rhonda, and Rhea, and Io) are constantly the best thing on WWE programming

[@JayMil365]

i dont believe Sasha could fight her way out of a wet paper bag, shes 110 lbs!!!!

[@christianrapper]

She is fighting people who are her size or other women. She isn’t fighting other men.

[@jgeorge2693]

She can bump and sell. She’s fine

[@Ticketman99]

It's pro wrestling. Only 2.5% of every pro wrestling roster COMBINED has any chance in fighting lol

[@fayerson]

Yet, we believe that Lawler can beat ... well anyone aside from superstar Bill Dundee? We believe that the Rock n Roll express can last 30 seconds vs the Road Warriors? That Ricky Morton to survive getting his ass kicked night after night for 20 minutes? Its wrestling. Always has and always will be entertainment. Suspension of disbelief bro

[@christianrapper]

@@fayerson i believe that the rock raising his eyebrow, running back and forth across the ring, and then dropping his elbow on you will make you somehow unconscious and you will be unable to move in the first place before he does all of that.

[@jesterr7133]

I absolutely agree with Jim 100% on this. I'm all for equality, but unfortunately we cannot overcome our biology. Women have no business in these types of matches. It isn't because they can't do it, but it is because they cannot do it safely. I remember being mildly interested in the first women's HITC between Sasha and Charlotte. In the match, Charlotte attempted to put Sasha through a table on three occasions and could not do it. Both of these women are talented at what they do, but this spot was not physically possible for them to complete at all, let alone do it safely. The average male wrestler weighs around 250 lbs, give or take. Sasha barely weighs 100 lbs. For Sasha to break the table, Charlotte would have to be able to propel her through the table with nearly 2.5 times the force required for a man to break the table, while having much less upper body strength than the average male wrestler. It was physically impossible. It could not have been done successfully, regardless of their talent. As a result, Sasha was thrown up against this hard object three separate times. Her body absorbed all of that impact each time. You also have to remember that most women do not have the musculature or body fat that the average man has. Therefore, they do not have as much padding to absorb an impact like that. No matter how talented they are, the risk of injury in this type of match is much greater for the average woman than it is for the average man, and these matches are dangerous enough for the men. After that match, I swore that I would never again watch a women's HITC match. I do not want to take part in someone being unnecessarily injured. I do not want to see a woman get injured doing something that she shouldn't have been forced to do. We cannot compare men and women to one another, because we are not the same. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Both are useful, but you can't make the same dish with an apple that you make with an orange, and vice versa.Continuing to do this will eventually get someone seriously hurt, and I do not want to be watching when it happens.

[@purveyoroftruth7096]

Sasha is 120 pounds and has gone through tables before. Heck, aj Lee has gone through a table

[@Stizzfoshizz]

I was actually pleasantly surprised with HiaC. I thought the Reigns went a little bit into cheesy territory with the crying they way he did. For the most part it was one of the better WWE shows I've seen in a while. Still have a long way to go to win me over again, but I wasn't left as disappointed as WWE shows have left me the last while now

[@psychobluesfxt]

The trick is to only watch the PPVs. Anyone you really need to pay attention to is probably going to be on those shows anyway.

[@moralesharold87]

@aDg 2k18 That was the cherry on top. The OG's crowning Reigns was great storytelling.

[@Stizzfoshizz]

@@moralesharold87 no it was cheesy

[@moralesharold87]

@@Stizzfoshizz that's your opinion and that is cool.

[@wicklow4905]

"So what was the Finish? A Machine Gun or a Machete?" x'DDD

[@johnnyd6135]

Is it weird that I used to enjoy TNA's Lockdown ppv event back in the day when all the matches took place in the cage (plus some had different stipulations), but WWE having 3 hell in a cell matches on one show and not 1 of them having any blood is kinda boring and blah? I don't really know what Bayley was going for with that duct tape spot, but it would've been cool if she had taped Sasha to something like the ring post or the ladder and just beat her senseless with the kendo stick...grant it that would've needed to be a finish but still... I also agree with Jim about these wrestlers taking all these dumb bumps and spots, it's why they're getting injured all the time

[@KidGravityBeyond]

Drew bled from the mouth

[@CharlesDLincoln]

Wanting the women to become managers is an absolutely stupid idea. I'm sorry, Jim, but there's plenty of time for her to do that when she's middle aged. Right now, she's amazing, as is Sasha. Time has changed and this was not just the best match of the PPV, it was the best match of the year, so far.

[@stickemup1275]

I'm convinced at this point Jim just hates everything everyone else likes about wrestling

[@max__p1765]

Maybe a clash of generations. Maybe the audience really loves "stunt shows" today, instead of plausible and logical "fake" fights. But if it is so, why are ratings falling and venues half empty, which were full in the 70ies/80ies: Why does most of wrestling fans are full of critics of the actual program? Of course, there are many answers...

[@ZYaKnoe249]

It gets him views and content. I’d do it too

[@vonVile]

Jim's gimmick is playing The Don Rickles of Wrestling. Jim purposely watches garbage wrestling to make fun of it. This is why he only reviews WWE and AEW, but not ROH or Impact. He has no material from quality promotions. If you don't know who Rickles is he's the original insult comedian.

[@Ticketman99]

@@vonVile He has reviewed ROH, and he loves what they're doing. The Impact thing should be obvious.

[@fayerson]

@@max__p1765 Easy, there is the internet. You can stream wrestling at anytime anywhere. KZbin, The WWE Network, DVDS, classic VHS tapes. In the 70's there was 3 network channels and a UHF channel in each town. What other options for entertainment was there? Especially in a town that did not have a professional sports team.

[@Krokodilius]

LOL the thumbnails are always so great.....poor bayley chewing on the tape 😆

[@Hush_Money2]

This match along with the Roman vs Jey Uso match was great. The Drew Mcintyre vs Randy Orton match was boring.

[@MR_T__94]

I thought Roman jey had the best match of the night!

[@rayhoyer4829]

@Oong The Last Airbender nice

[@82_derek44]

I totally disagree

[@82_derek44]

@Oong The Last Airbender I smoked a joint lol

[@rj5822]

Rhea Ripley went from being the modern day Hulk Hogan prime top babyface. The top star of this femdom era. To dropping the title to Flair's daughter smh

[@Treklosopher]

With respect, I think Corny puts too much stock in "size." Look at UFC, the real asskickers are not generally the heavyweights, but the smaller fighters, who have more stamina and go harder for longer, in general. Women specifically can take a punch from a similarly sized man, or woman, just the same as any dude. This is one area where Corny really has some outdated thinking. If not for this, I'd agree with him 100% of the time.

[@kingcam0775]

Eh, it's more complex than that. The smaller guys in UFC are more popular, but they definitely can't take more punishment than the heavyweights.

[@Yugi_831]

What is this guy on about? Sasha vs Bayley was one of the best, if not the BEST match of the night. Some even say that it's has the potential to be match of the year and that its as good as if not better than their NXT Takeover matches. Not being anti feminist or sexist my a$$ tsk smh

[@mitchellsommer2321]

He's not a fan of Women's wrestling

[@michaelrandle7296]

I have worked as a corrections officer and a teacher, and from what I've seen is the female fights didn't take much to get started and they were way more brutal than the guys. Guys in those situations mostly always fought as a group or would fight close around authority figures so after a couple blows were thrown someone would be there to break it up soon. In my opinion women have the best fights, you got to get out into the streets more often Jim or watch Worldstar...lol

[@rayhoyer4829]

I respectfully disagree sir

[@Daniel-js2dk]

Nah 98% of time it’s just them trying to rip each other weaves off

[@rayhoyer4829]

@@Daniel-js2dk right?

[@rayhoyer4829]

@@Daniel-js2dk maybe he means because of the tities piping out

[@michaelrandle7296]

@@Daniel-js2dk I've seen those too, but you haven't been where I've been...lol

[@AFterMath-ld1vr]

The video thumbnail got Bailey's face exactly to the tee. This is how she would look if she was on a South Park episode lol.

[@jonmoreno2396]

Respectfully disagree I think women can carry the industry and at least for me their rivalry was the reason I tuned in every Friday

[@r0bbiejaym3s]

Cornette lost all credibility when he said the meat of the matter are the men. They aren’t. The women draw as much and at times, more than the men.

[@LilZeusWrld]

Jim hates anything he didn’t book

[@SynDC6]

That was Sherri Martel Corney! Madusa is a good choice, Ashley Kennedy from LPWA was great so was Christopher Love. Ivory would be a good choice too. Brock Lesnar never showed up for work. What are you talking about?

[@robswords3151]

Give Bayley credit for going along with this and selling for a grape head who long since lost credibility with all those short reigns with the title playing hot potato with it Flair. This whole match sounded remarkably stupid.

[@zakiy180]

I kinda agree with Jim here. A hell in a cell match just doesn’t look the same when 120 pound women are doing spots that would look absolutely brutal if a 250 pound men wrestlers did it.

[@redeyez_entertainment]

Instead of Jim reviewing the match and woman involved we get a 20min rant on how he hates gimmick matches. I understand that and all but we would for you to review that actually match. But then he made a point to put Bayley over and ignore Sasha Completely. I gotta alot of respect for Jim but the Sasha situation where he conveniently goes out of his way to not review her matches is getting a little suspect

[@LilZeusWrld]

Exactly . It’s very suspect as if he got something against her & we know he has a history with people like her..... js

[@redeyez_entertainment]

@@LilZeusWrld For all the praise he gives Rhea Ripley I dare him to speak negative on Bianca Belair because she has the body the size physical gifts moc skills etc. One can argue she's better than Rhea because she's a legit athlete.

[@LilZeusWrld]

@@redeyez_entertainment ... Bianca & Sasha are bigger stars than Rhea ever will be tbh. Sasha already in films in Hollywood & Bianca is a legit athlete with a great look.

[@phillipchampion2]

Cornette does make some valid points. However, Roman Reigns match was my favourite, I enjoyed the blurred lines.

[@chachopichardo1879]

You’re wrong that match so boring

[@randellhowardiv8168]

@@chachopichardo1879 it wasn’t about the match itself, it was the storytelling that made the match

[@GnarlzBarkley]

@@chachopichardo1879 "you're wrong" Because people aren't entitled to their own opinions. 🤦‍♂️

[@garymartling6055]

He cried during the match?? And he’s the top heel?? Reigns has always been and always will be a clown

[@stonetic2515]

@@randellhowardiv8168 The storytelling was the worst part. Roman Reigns is wooden. He can't act. But they keep having him recite storylines mid-ring.

[@jesterr7133]

"If you can't take the fat, don't eat the fucking twinkie!" -Corny

[@TopTierHater]

Of course Jim Cornette didn’t like this match because a blond woman wasn’t in it🤣🤣

[@dk13_yt]

The worst part is none of these feuds will be over after HIAC 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@egyptian316]

I don't need the contrived spots and super stunts, I need to feel like there is real hate between the people fighting at the top of the card. Bayley is technically sound in the ring, but I don't really believe she hates anybody. I really wish these two had just half the saltiness that somebody like Jacqueline or Sherri Martel had.

[@Ticketman99]

Make them fight each other in UFC or something

[@ethanbradley2089]

Corny can't say he's not sexist but in the same breath say women in wrestling should just be managers so they can stand there and look pretty. That is the wrestling equivalent of saying women belong in the kitchen.

[@RealMexFoodShouldntGiveUDrrhea]

I mean, yes and no. They’re selling each other’s moves, not men’s. And there hasn’t been blood in a while. And the outfits supposedly were a tribute to The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels’ Wrestlemania match.

[@CM-jc7gk]

I never understand Cornette's logic with this - a 130 pound woman being hit by a chair from another 130 pound woman should be fine, the same way a 235 pound guy hitting another 235 pound guy with a chair is fine. Cornette makes it seem like the women are superpowered but it's logically just relative strength/damage being dealt. I truly don't understand why Cornette gets hung up on this everytime.

[@troysmith5749]

@@CM-jc7gk both you and real mexican food should stop thinking like spineless feminists and actually listen to what cornette has to say, he goes into detail why it's so stupid

[@CM-jc7gk]

@@troysmith5749 "You guys talking about a larger point Cornette has made dozens of times before about the general capacity of violence between female wrestlers are just spineless feminists!!😭😭" - Troy Smith cries into his keyboard as his bitter incel life has left him easily triggered by everything

[@tayc9855]

@@CM-jc7gk

[@wendigo1619]

i remember when a tables spot happened it "oh look a table" **proceeds to powerbomb opponant through the table** but putting a ladder between the apron and barrier to powerbomb them through it is pretty good since it takes 30 seconds and makes a great Hospitalisation Angle

[@5fing3rD3athPunch]

really liked the match, I just wish that they would have cut out the building contrived contraption nonsense that everyone seems to do these days. Would love to hear Cornettes thoughts on Sasha vs Bayley from NXT Brooklyn because that is a classic imo

[@mikebluet]

Agreed. How can we get him to watch it???

[@digitalstatictv]

As great as it would be, I'd wish he could watch the whole build up. So much emotion over YEARS built up to that.

[@mikebluet]

@jigyoda I thought so too. I didn't see anything wrong with using their brains and weapons to punish each other

[@mikebluet]

@@digitalstatictv True! He should watch NXT Brooklyn and after that watch NXT Rrspect. At Respect when Sasha snatched Izzy's hair bow off her head and they wore it and mocked her that was priceless

[@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939]

Who the hell is the sjw who is always in these podcasts with Jim? Of course this sjw would say that this was the best match at hiac.

[@christianrapper]

Now I finally understand the word pontificate.

[@E.Niggma]

I think it's fucked up that the girls do this crazy shit every other match while still being paid 200k.

[@SmoothGorilla]

Funny that Jim likes heel Bayley since Russo thinks she’s boring and childish

[@al5306]

@Trump4Prison2021 Your criticism of Bayley is strange. I've never seen her do anything and thought that a child was doing it. You're using hyperbole to make a weak point. Bayley isn't that bad ass wrestler that's throwing people around. She's an entitled brat who is extremely insecure despite telling the world that she's the best. That's what good heels do. They mask their insecurities by telling everyone how great they are. If they actually thought they were great, they wouldn't need to cheat or run from fights - but they do. What makes Bayley great is that a lot of her gripes with Sasha have a grain of truth to them. She's not just going out there and saying "I don't like you." There's substance to what she's saying. What good is a cowardly heel if they go in the ring and tear it up doing a 30 minute competitive match? That wouldn't make any sense.

[@dragonking2005]

You know, Jim is correct this is going to make the male wrestlers look at hell in a cell a lot differently in terms of athleticism

[@anthonyharris4234]

Another great day of Jim cornette podcasting. I had to stop working to listen to this. Its worth me getting written up

[@thnzxc]

Why are Bayley's eyes crossed in the thumbnail?😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrVante247]

Jim makes a good point...

[@sacredsteeler]

After browsing thru the comments, I'm finding most fans really just like stunt shows

[@MrVante247]

@@sacredsteeler yeahhh... I had the opinion of Brian so I was quite surprised to here Jim say what he said, but man.. his perspective is so professional wrestling pure. Those women did the most, but at what price to their body and longevity? I guess having no crowd brings out the most carnage to get a reaction. When it comes to professional wrestling, I admire Mr. Cornette's mind the most

[@chadchesney3858]

Ya know whAt though Corny I’m entertained hearing u grind about it. First I thru a dislike on it. But just like one of your promos. By the end u had me

[@MrVante247]

@@chadchesney3858 I completely agree lol you can't take a sound bite from Mr. Cornette and run with it, you gotta hear it all. There aren't too many people who love the art of professional wrestling that can disagree with his points

[@harveycryst222]

"&here come the zombies" How prophetic.

[@Saintly1234]

I thought Sasha/Bayley was the best cell match tbh. Hard hitting with creative spots. They looked dead by the end and neither should wrestle on Smackdown. Drew wrestling on Raw after a Cell match was stupid.

[@theamazingcj2748]

Bro, they literally aren't allowed to have blood spots with the PG rating. Maybe accidental, but this isn't the fucking attitude era anymore.

[@G_Six]

5:26 the ah ha moment when the thumbnail makes sense to ya

[@ELPRES1DENTE45]

It INFURIATES me that Vince pulled the trigger on this title change during the first match of this feud just to get the belt on Sasha BEFORE the first episode of The Mandalorian even aired. Rather than building the feud and program alongside the hype of the show, he blew his wad before they could even generate a shred of momentum behind Sasha for a big pay-off later in the season. The old man just DEFINITIVELY proved that he's completely forgotten how to promote. He hasn't been able to do so for almost two decades now, and he just completely blew one of the BIGGEST opportunities that they've had in YEARS to bring new eyes/interest onto the product. It's fucking baffling, and ridiculously mind-boggling.