Old vs New: Is the New Ford Raptor Really Better Off-Road?

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[@catfishmudflap]

The Raptor wins.

[@TFLtruck]

+Paul Montero yes, that's soooooo totally true! ;-)

[@screamneagle8420]

The Fast Lane Truck Thank you Roman and Andre and the rest of the TFL crew! I love your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@vanillatwanky508]

Paul Montero the 2017

[@timmyteabag69]

Paul Montero bet my first gen Tacoma will beat both these raptors off road

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

guy proulx ummm, not even close.

[@zuel1]

Sticking with my 6.2 for now. I love the new ones, but he V8 is for us old-timers.

[@tacopro218]

The designers hit a home run with the first gen Raptors and smashed it out of the park with gen 2.

[@smarticus6384]

Both those trucks are at the top of the food chain.

[@ppcdsavc8357]

Patrick OHarold yea the wagon is hideous and the Chevy reaper.. I'm not even gonna say nothing lol

[@Karnage543]

I still can't understand why ford can't make a ecoboost V8 and have best of both worlds.

[@MrFragranceReview]

keepitmoving luckily those steep regulation demands have been rolled back with the new administration

[@derekortiz3663]

Karnage543 they will be for the gt500. it'll be interesting to see if they do for the truck again. itd be expensive though

[@seraphimvalkyrin4543]

Dave Weber Luckily? Are you serious? You realise the US is the only country that's not agreeing to cut it's pollution....Even China agreed to it. Our administration this term is a joke but too many American's are to stubborn to want to change because of personal preference (like this with the V6 vs the V8, even though the V6 is better in every way) or because it requires some effort on their part but are lazy.

[@MrFragranceReview]

Seraphim Valkyrin You couldn't resist curbing your political dogma to put in your 2 cents on a truck page on KZbin could you? The heavy regulations on emissions for car companies are being rolled back so that's great news for the market. It means the people who want a V8 Ecoboost will have a greater chance of seeing it. And let's face it, people who will buy it could care less about emissions and mpg.

[@YamahaR12015]

Seraphim Valkyrin V6 is better in every way? no replacement for displacement

[@ltl_jeeper5946]

Wish they could just put the 6.2L V8 in the 2018/2017 Raptor.

[@CarGuy5141]

5.0 would be better

[@jordanbrooks48]

No, i have one with the ecoboost and it does just fine

[@KarimAlaarab]

G63 engine?

[@djmasterty2309]

I agree with the 6.2L V8 option.

[@KarimAlaarab]

Ty Murphy but that v6 is from the Ford gt belive it for not

[@hoimarvonditfuth-siefken6933]

Love your channels. Keep up that entertaining work. I can´t wait for my new Raptor late this year- early next year, here in Europe....

[@nonrevhogan8938]

That is such an awesome area to explore. Can't wait to retire and come do exploring all around there and other western states. Did some skiing there and Utah many years ago and its so beautiful out there. But never been in summer months to do stuff like Moab and stuff. Found that trail and see many others. Hope people take care of them. Those Switzerland trails are huge. Vey Cool.

[@rmh6668]

Ohhh man I love Andre! Glad he's in a lot of episodes!

[@Stokesman101]

Such a sweet aerial shot towards the end. Great camera work and production yet again. 😎

[@TFLtruck]

+Aaron Stokes Thank you!

[@petrsustek5215]

Hi guys, love your videos and the Tatra badge at the back of Blue Beard. I am living 50 miles from where these offroad Kings are made (well actually Queens, because Tatra is she in Czech language). So greetings from Czech Republic and keep making these awesome videos, you rock!

[@SSGSNAKE1]

I want to really see you take the heavy duties up there with the Diesel engines. Tons of torque at low rpm. See how well the heavier trucks with their off road packages do.hope to really see that one day even if it's the 250 platforms

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

Mike Tacey I have a lifted F350 with the 7.3L. beats you to death, but does great. I may install sulastic shackles and see if it helps.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Power Wagon would probably do it ... if it can make it around the razor bend, it might be too long for that section. A base model Wrangler had little issue with CH 2.0.

[@SSGSNAKE1]

Nice. Hope us could post a vid next time. Still these new heavy duties say they are off road worthy as they are with out a lift, so would be great to see if and how worthy they really are when it comes to some off reading as opposed to how much they can haul or pull.

[@Perry2186]

call me Old Fashioned but i prefer the old Manual Transfercase and lockouts

[@Ryno-fp7pm]

Perry2186 Agree. Love my manual transmission, manual transfer case, manual locking hubs. Reliability.

[@malifestro7596]

Always love your videos guys. As a long time subscriber with a professional monitor, it looks like the color saturation and white balance was a bit off on this video. Most of the time it is fine. Keep on trucking Roman, you can't go wrong with either one that is for sure!

[@KimFieldstad]

Great video on two fantastic trucks. Great comment at the end about driver and a friend. Maybe a video on spotter responsibilities would be good. To start with I think the call is "Driver" not "Right".

[@americathebandfan8420]

Awesome video keep up the good work. I've been a subscriber since January 2014

[@TFLtruck]

+James Kelsey thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching so long

[@americathebandfan8420]

The Fast Lane Truck thank you guys for posting these videos not only here but on TFLcar and TFLnow I watch all three channels and I am a pretty big fan

[@americathebandfan8420]

BradyTooSaucy No. Not even close

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

BradyTooSaucy don't be an internet tough guy bro. It makes you look like a douche.....

[@CVegaLV]

Love this channel

[@yeahbabyracing9562]

Love the cliffhanger trail videos. It really shows the truck's off-road capabilities. Nice work guys!

[@TFLtruck]

+Yeah Baby Racing Thanks!

[@e9sports393]

guy proulx clearly not he's been saying that 2 everyone

[@yeahbabyracing9562]

Clearly Brady is an idiot

[@e9sports393]

guy proulx 😂😂

[@jordanbrooks48]

I love my 2018 raptor, love the ecoboost v6. Does everything i need it to do. Only haul my yamaha viking for hunting and it does just fine. Never been stuck in the fields once. Been in some shit in wet corn fields moving a muddy box blind and still made it in & out. I am running toyo open country MT tires tho

[@ryancomeau4485]

Great cinematography in that video.

[@trials_bike-xu3xf]

That red color is so badass. I love it

[@jamesmathews243]

Cool comparison. Thanks guys.

[@ss442es]

Awesome, thanks guys!

[@jasonpreslar6251]

It seems that both of these trucks handled the trail much easier than either Jeep in the Rubicon/Sport comparison video.

[@susanjspaulding]

I would have to admit this is a DIFFICULT trail but the view at the TOP is FAB!!!!! :)

[@bozscaggzz7475]

This is a very well made video.

[@IanNicholasMusic]

The EcoBoost is pretty sick. I love mine

[@Chalo707FTP]

Coming from a person who owns both a 2013 and 2018 I gotta say the 2018 is by far the way nicer and more comfortable and more powerful truck

[@joemomma7161]

Jonny Razor great! My order for my 2019 ford raptor just went through today!!

[@Chalo707FTP]

Joe Momma hell yea bro you’re gonna love it👌🏻👌🏻

[@Chalo707FTP]

Joe Momma congrats👌🏻🔥

[@joemomma7161]

Jonny Razor thanks bro!! I can’t wait!!!

[@jimco5852]

I have a 2018 Raptor and still have to take it back in to have an issue with the seatbelts “potentially” catching on fire taken care of, lol

[@broncosfan-dk1uj]

Man Andre is a class act

[@georgewashington938]

airing down also softens the ride a bit

[@keithevans8672]

V8 and trucks go together like a cold beer on a Friday night

[@phattdaddy2974]

I just tested the '18 raptor and found it to have too much lag in acceleration, not happy with it for $70k.

[@globaloutreach7523]

Phatt Daddy Pedal commander will clear that right up for 225.00

[@redetroitwing]

Lol yea 450 hp lags lol, what a joke, what do you drive a 800 hp civic??

[@phattdaddy2974]

@@redetroitwing 1600 j.a.

[@petewoelke6911]

I would love to see a video of the ZR2 taking the cliffhanger. When can we expect to see that happen?

[@TFLtruck]

+Pete Woelke Hopefully in about a month.

[@maniac32145]

Andre is getting much more profesional and his english is so perfect..!!!

[@ViktorNig]

can we just admire how beautiful the new raptor is 😍😍😍

[@jewman303]

I like the way the gen 2 looks better than gen 1. But I'd sacrifice that for the 6.2 V8. That being said I adore my Chevy Silverado with the 6.2 V8 so I'll just stick with that.

[@haswell1476]

Same! I have a Sierra with the 6.2!

[@Alviniscute]

Chevy for the win! though, can you go off-road with your Silverado?

[@scarharting5577]

@@Alviniscute Of course you can.

[@billymc2681]

Now this is a good comparison....makes up for the Tahoe vs. SRT Durango (towing a boat) video.

[@davidn5861]

billy mc That video was awesome!

[@zacharymartin4861]

I don't care for Ford, but DAMN that red Raptor is gorgeous.

[@harut82]

Wrong explanation of how a torsen differential works.

[@scarhart53]

The Torsen is NOT a locking diff. It is a limted slip, and the names are exactly right. A locker locks in BOTH wheels to get maximum traction. A limited slip does limit the slip by braking the wheel that is spinning in a low traction situation in the hopes that the other wheel will start spinning and gain some traction. That actually is fairly effective, but not as much as a true locker. You know that both tires are digging with a locker.

[@Ekimsnegdoh27]

Love blue beard. Love that v8 raptor. Also just looks meaner then the new raptor. Oh ya and sounds meaner. 👍🏻

[@Saki630]

I think you should do a video where old-blue gets modified to match the 450HP in the V6 and show if there is (car and driver slang) any replacement for displacement.

[@victorgirouard1543]

There is replacement for displacement it's called turbos!

[@starfoxnerd88]

wicked video I love this channel keep it up guys I wish I had money to donate

[@Scrambler85]

When you're spotting off road it's not right or left its Passenger side or driver-side

[@TFLtruck]

+J.G. Conumdrum Yes, but Andre can read Roman's mind, so no need. :)

[@kcog9733]

Wouldve been betterif the cameras focused on the harder sections in full vehicle and obstacle view to compare how they handle them to compare differences

[@mauiman52]

TFL folks, please make your life easier and buy a proper tire deflator. Saves so much time and you are sure to hit the mark you want in no time. I’d also be interested seeing such comparisons without lockers engaged. I am always wondering why you guys engage lockers almost by default. I hardly need to use the lockers in my JK and would have gone up Cliffhanger without them too. Also, there is less stress on your drivetrain, what is important to me long term. In an old truck with no traction control at all, that’s a different story of course. I’d take the old Raptor anytime and would not care about the lack in performance. The V8 rumble and a less complicated engine is enough reason for me. But I understand everyone who prefers the newer model for added performance and improved suspension. Thanks TFL for all your hard work!

[@TFLtruck]

+mauiman52 thanks. We have a deflated, but we were deflating three vehicles at the same time. A locker helps on a steep incline going up with not much side slope. You are right, a locker can make you 4x4 slide sideways on a side slope.

[@bundy4prez462]

I bought a 2014 instead of the 2017. No matter how much plumbing you put on the v6 it will never be a v8.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Would love to see the new Colorado ZR2 do this. I suspect it could probably do Dare without much trouble.

[@atvdonnie]

Nice Pioneer, you should showcase that!

[@TFLtruck]

+Donnie Ragland Tomorrow on our car channel the Pioneer takes on the Wrangler. Please subscribe if you want to get a notification. www.tflcar.com

[@josh.nalepa6596]

i love that red on the new raptor. i feel like im the only one who likes/doesnt mind the v6 in the new raptor/sound(not saying its better tho) lol

[@T4nkcommander]

josh nalepa anyone that has driven one doesn't care. I rather like it in mine. Did get a bit of V8 envy hearing the Gen 1s roar at TRR, but my truck was significantly more capable

[@Val_Nikon]

I am the same I love the v8 but the fact that the v6 gives more hp and tq sells me on it.

[@alew3555]

I like the gen 1. No need to be the fastest. I like the looks, it has the great body lines but not over exaggerated like the new one. Insane that they are still selling for so high

[@jeremyzhang2504]

Honestly, I unintentionally did a similar trail with my 14' Silverado LTZ Z71 when I went on an A to B jeep trail without doing enough research. Handled it just fine minus the clear coat damage from the width of the trail lol. Not saying my silverado is comparable to a raptor. Just saying this stuff is too easy haha

[@blackkobra101]

Hey guys so I have a suggestion. how about you take any off road truck or suv and do an uphill battle on a wet grass and see how the 4wd systems work!

[@BCORBAN7884]

Damn I wish I had the money to buy a Raptor. They are perfect factory trucks for being a daily driver and off roader when you want it/need it.

[@blacksharkswimmer3729]

The end of the video is best.

[@fernandoc9407]

Do you guys go descend the trail through the same trail taken going up?

[@nathanspence4859]

Have yall tested the toyota tundra TRD pro of the cliffhanger 2.0 yet?

[@Attridge444]

we love what you guys are doing keep it up

[@KineticTaco]

Wow... seemed so easy to put it in D to shift it into “crawl mode”. Or is that cause I don’t have an extra 30k for a “decent” truck. Or maybe it’s also because I prefer manual T Cases where I physically put it into whatever 2 to 4 high low configuration I want. Not to mention the fact I can lock or unlock the front hubs to “whip” around objects. And I forgot to mention. This is a 1993 Ram W250 which makes both these trucks look bitchmade.

[@thatcorvetteguy5110]

the old one is better because of that beautiful 6.2l v8

[@ottobauch2179]

titanium turbo 3.5 is a monster of a motor

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

titanium turbo now if you dropped the 4.0L V8 twin turbo in it that Audi uses in the S8........

[@wraith511802003]

I find it cute all the v6 turbo lovers. Put the same turbo setup on the 6.2 and go pound sand.. NO replacement for displacement.

[@prozz5664]

I would love to see both trucks scaled to see what the real world difference in weight is. I bet its not going to be a big difference. What do you think TFL

[@ClassicChrome01]

I totally agree with roman. I'd keep the old raptor if I were him just because of the V8. Ford certainty screwed up the new raptor with a twin turbo

[@aaroncupp4498]

great video! you finally convinced me to become a patreon

[@TFLtruck]

+Aaron Cupp Thank you for the support!

[@TheHoosiers2008]

I like the crew. They compliment each other, but I'm sure Roman is a challenge to work for.

[@TheLuftwolf]

I tend to think expectations should match sticker price with some of these tests. And since you can't just create ideal new roads maybe you should figure a standard way to handicap these rather than just expecting apples to be able to compete with old apples, huh? Just a thought 💭 but if my $63000. Pickup didn't go up that little trail, I'd be giving it the "here after" story.. 😜 thanks Guys Bob/Okc

[@rickysafer2895]

Really good video, both trucks made it look easy. Good driving guys.

[@temur72]

i noticed the black plastic piece between the hood and windshield is cracked on the new Raptor

[@Createnchaos]

63k? In Cali they have 20-30 thousand dollars tacked on to the price "market price". I couldn't get into one for less that like 90k. So I kept my FX4.

[@1991tommygun]

I have a 6.2 and drove a v6, rather the old raptor any day

[@abouttime7316]

Maybe you should tell the exact weight of them since you mentioned the upgraded military aluminum no matter the difference

[@scarharting5577]

Doesn't matte, Chevy is still lighter.

[@blacksharkswimmer3729]

blue beard still got it!!!

[@G.W._Cook]

You know what Roman? I have a 2012 Raptor, short one though, and I thought when they announced the new one I'd rush over to Ford to get the new one, with the 10 speed, massive torque, better suspension. And today, I still can't do it. I've gotten attached to it much more so than any other vehicle I've owned.

[@johnnygarcia7269]

G. W Cook i have a 2014 and I can't get enough of it. I wanna constantly drive it

[@Kburd-wr6dq]

BradyTooSaucy ur not funny.

[@AnthonySvt_]

Just have both 🙃

[@nonrevhogan8938]

Man what a view up there. Always see going up. So out of curiosity, I guess you take a different way down. If you go back down same way. Does someone at bottom warn someone. Doesn't look like much two lane movement. At least what we see.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

BradyTooSaucy dude, really?

[@Eduardoflagg]

What kind of gas should you use in a GEN 1 Raptor? What kind of gas should I put in my 2018 Raptor? I get so many different answers. Thanks

[@vibeslafren1604]

Hey guys, the pedal commander or the Diablo pcm kit is legit?

[@robertheimbueger271]

What do you guys do when you scrape the dealer trucks on this video? Do you have to pay for any damage?

[@falseprophet4223]

Turbo blue beard! You'll get the power of the new raptor and the rumble of the 6.2

[@user-mx8nr3sp6n]

Could you swap the V6 twin turbo for the 6.2L V8 in the 2017 Raptor? If so, another question. Could I add twin turbos to the swapped V8 or is it better to add a supercharger instead? If I go with the supercharger option, it's probably better to just swap for the Shelby Raptor engine, no? That V8 sounds amazing.

[@alpha2gproject783]

Long time overdue but you're better off just getting a Whipple for the 6.2. As time has gone on the 3.5 Ecoboost has a lot of issues from cam phasers to fuel system failure. The 6.2 has and continues to be a proven workhorse. Also, consider that engine swaps for new vehicles aren't even remotely easy anymore. You're looking at 25,000 for just the engine.

[@bblue1231]

I would take either truck both look good

[@adenjones4303]

the beard part could have been the skid plate under the front

[@BentonHart]

I really hope that person in the UTV at 12:03 is on a designated trail. Otherwise, they're part of the problem with all the trails around here being closed.

[@TFLnow]

Benton Hart Yes there is a bypass trail around the razor bend.

[@teop7887]

Am I the only one who thinks Andre sounds like Big Gay Al from South Park? "...Confidenccce iz sssky high... Thizz izz a cliff hanger 2.0... I'm really exccccited that... @ 2:20 Dizz izz ssso eeezy now...." Hahaha hahaha hahaha....

[@TrailTribune]

Anyone know what rating and size are the raptor bfg KO2 tires?

[@keithbrettell2058]

I just looked at Ford.ca and did a 'build' to see what it was worth up here in Canada. It starts at $70,000. Yikes! For kicks and giggles I added a 'few' LOL options and the price shot up to $85,000, and I wasn't even done.

[@valeriynikonov6470]

hi witch one is better for sand the old raptor or the new one and also what is better a winch or a strap

[@nositransam]

The old one better in sand

[@johnmolina607]

you guys might think I'm crazy but i think i would take the 2017 Raptor over the 2014 model. Anyways I'm always looking forward to your videos every week keep them coming.

[@authurmorgan2325]

John Molina your not crazy

[@2003evodave]

I had the 2014 and now have the 2017 Raptor and can say I was a little apprehensive when my newly ordered Raptor showed up but now after 12k miles I can say the gen 2 is a little better in every way just wish I could have kept the gen 1 too. IMO it doesn’t matter which gen you buy they are both great.

[@unknownskyman2156]

I thought the older version has a off road button next to the shifter?

[@andymanusafa]

Where is this trail? Colorado somewhere?

[@Lumpia_In_Texas]

still waiting on the FX4 Z71 and Tundra TRD on cliffhanger

[@kingdaniel3519]

Don't forget the Pro-4x. I want to see them all.

[@Lumpia_In_Texas]

Daniel Bell they have done the pro 4x and it made it all the way to the top!

[@kingdaniel3519]

Not at the same time they didn't.

[@tblack7191]

Definitely need to do more on the Tundra TRD Pro.

[@gtrance3567]

Lots of mention of the new trucks torque, but Are high levels of torque available while rock crawling? What about turbo lag?

[@truckyz5059]

you should get old blue beard the supercharged roush package and then compare it too the new raptor.

[@bboystone86]

I'm glad it's you two doing this vid. That hick guy with the little hat always seems like he's about to blow a fuse on someone. Makes it hard to watch with him.

[@surd725]

I bet you trade blue in before end of year! 😂😂😂 You deserve the new raptor buddy!

[@TdrSld]

Now do the 100 mile MPG test with a VS. on the raptors lol, I bet you Romen will think twice about that little V6 lol.

[@T4nkcommander]

TdrSld lol I get an average of around 17-18 in my Gen 2, nobody comes close in the Gen 1

[@tylershoban2731]

i have always wondered why even in the newest trucks they still have antenna rods do you know why is that so why don't they go for a more sleeker almost shark fin design

[@scotttruskowski5998]

Tyler Shoban So you can pick up radio stations around the globe. :)

[@skyknight2095]

because they work better!

[@kingdaniel3519]

Ford uses them as a height marker, for if you park in a garage. Lets you know when you're close to hitting the roof.

[@dominicsbricks2403]

AM and FM radio cannot be received very well on short antennae. The frequencies for the Satellite radio have a much shorter wavelength and therefore will be picked up very well with the mini antennae. The length of an antenna is directly related to the frequency sending or receiving. For example a CB radio is considered the 10 meter band(27mhz). This means that one cycle of transmission is going to travel 10 meters away from the antenna before the second cycle starts (or each cycle will travel 10 meters before the next cycle) So your typical 108" CB antenna is actually 1/4 of the wavelength so it is considered a 1/4 wave. Satellite radio uses 2.3Ghz which has a wavelength of around 14cm, so a 1/4 wavelength antenna only needs to be around 3.5 or so cm long. A 1/4 wave FM antenna is around 20 inches or so. Also to note that 1/4 wave antenna seem to have good reception qualities with very little loss compared to smaller sized antennae.

[@josephkool8411]

I used to hate Andre because he's a furriner and he talks funny, but now after watching a bunch of TFL videos I don't hate him so much anymore. I guess he's pretty cool

[@andrewpayne6295]

Automatic transmission or dual clutch?

[@weialles_weinix3900]

Apple to apple comparison. That makes sense. I told you a year ago. But you laughed at me. Now I 'm relaxing and have a smile on my face. I love the sound of a v8 as much as most people do but the evolution is going to e-cars. Get used to hear nothing in the future. The downsizig is just a step. Btw.good vid.

[@gabehatfield697]

How does turbo build boost at low rpm

[@trevorjones3755]

Man, the new raptor is beautiful but the old one has a v8. This is my favorite truck but ford put a v8 in them again! I will pay for it as well as many others. Make the raptor great again!

[@mems9553]

Its evolution not downgrading. All vehicles had v8 big blocks in the 60's that sounded just incredible. Then the "future" came along and brought more economical vehicles that didnt sound as good. And now we have the ecoboost engine that doesnt have a V8, but its got more horsepower, has more torque, is more economical, its more efficient, it lasts longer, and its cheaper to make. Evolution is never popular.

[@leeprice2849]

10 years from now which version will still be on the road. My bet the 6.2 V8 will be. The Turbo V6 will only be if it has a replacement engine in it.

[@swatbwana]

6.2 has a 350,000 mile+ life in the f 250 it’s hardly taxed in the raptor

[@leeprice2849]

@@swatbwana In heavy fleet use they are going over 500,000 miles

[@user-wz9og9uc5d]

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