Best Towing Off-Road Truck! Ford Raptor vs Ram Rebel vs World's Toughest Towing Test

[@jackkirkpatrick2849]

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[@anthonyc1883]

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[@wolfmanrebel874]

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Andre is Russian?

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[@SeanOzz]

I live in Dillon and have a jeep Mojave. I just got a horse and have learned the Mojave can only tow 4500 lbs. so I’m trying to decide if I have to trade it in. Any suggestions on a truck that will still be fun like the gladiator for trails in the mountains and tow a two horse trailer in the mountains ? I’m guessing 7000-10000 lbs will be needed. Google keeps showing me the f-150 but the raptor looks like it might be more fun like the gladiator ?

[@simontallboy209]

Great video, enjoying the comments with people complaining about a Ram bias. Great video, and informative. As you've said in the past the Raptor is in a class of it's own, but people should know it comes with compromises and that is lower payload and towing. The Rebel isn't quite as good off road, but it is a better balanced truck since most of us aren't offroad all the time. I think you highlighted the strengths and weaknesses of each truck. Looking forwards to future reports on the Rebel's mileage. Keep up the good work.

[@benjaminwayneb]

The Rebel should be compared to an FX4 F150.

[@simontallboy209]

@@benjaminwayneb I agree. I think the Ram would take it. The payload and towing is comparable now that Ram has increased their numbers. The Ram interior is so much better. I think the motors are pretty much a draw. Ford really needs to spend some money on the F150 interior.

[@benjaminwayneb]

@@simontallboy209 Ram hasn't increased anything, same power as before and that Ram really struggled with that weight. I wouldn't want to see it try that run at max. load ( 4500 rpm. and 265 deg. oil temp.)

[@simontallboy209]

@@benjaminwayneb I have a 2015 and it's been fine under a load. I've run it though the mountains towing my travel trailer. Like any truck you need to watch you temps and adjust your driving to the conditions. The payload and towing on the new Ram is higher than my 2015. I've been looking at new trucks, and right now all the trucks are in the same ball park for towing and payload on a 4x4 Crewcab short bed. The ford can have better numbers, but that's a special order truck and If I was going to tow over 10000lbs on regularly I'd buy a 1 ton. I like the Ford and Ram, but if I was buying I'd buy another Ram. I find it rides nicer, the interior is much better. I'm looking forwards to seeing what the TFL guys get in mileage with the Etorque. My co worker has a 22015 Ecoboost and he does get slightly better mileage than I do, and both trucks are quite comfy. Not sure I like the styling of the new Ram. And these prices are getting out of hand.

[@L0n3W0lfBl4ck]

Simon Tallboy plus the raptor is 15-20k more so price has to be considered.

[@drewhiz7334]

Once again I've been educated while entertained on towing. I will probably never tow, go off road etc like you guys or many of your subscribers, but I enjoy learning more about it. Keep up the good work, Merry Christmas and be safe during the holidays!

[@CarsAndZebras]

You should see if you could mate the Rebel and Raptor. I'm sure the offspring would be fantastic. Just light some candles and give them a bottle of Marvel Mystery Oil to set the mood.

[@optimattprime]

Cars And Zebras offspring would be a trx (t-Rex)

[@guardrail2897]

The only thing that's ever been proven to mate with a Raptor is a tow truck.

[@CoyoteFTW]

Pat MyGroin - FoRDs ArE UnRElIAble. Get off the internet kid. That old bullshit doesn’t fly anymore let me see any stock truck run the Baja 1000 and make it back home dumbass

[@rme5596]

leeleelee I guess pattycakes couldn’t argue that one

[@guardrail2897]

@@CoyoteFTW Haha. Is your 1 felling hurt?

[@kaliman198117ify]

I should be sleeping right now but my little bell rang so I'm here watching this video. Again love the videos

[@thatoneitalianguyzl1727]

Thank you guys for these awesome videos, have an very Merry Christmas!!

[@tt55k]

Merry Christmas everyone !

[@thirstypilgrim97]

Righteous sad grinch. Maybe next year

[@thirstypilgrim97]

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[@rainman7794]

Tt55 K merry Christmas too you

[@JuanJose-cf8ps]

We live in 2018, it’s Happy Holidays

[@AlejandroP1980s]

@Righteous so is good what the hell is Christmas let it snow starts playing

[@JustinKingOffroad]

"it's not going to stiffen me up" hahahahaha!! thanks i about choked on my coffee this morning!!!

[@alexcika9906]

My wife and i just watched this , excellent review guys i will be getting a Rebel in the next month or so !

[@freedomjesse]

That dodge sure was searching for gears on the way up, where the ford just held gears. Gotta love the torque of the eco boost.

[@jackrotter9434]

Turbos* ecoboost is just a sales pitch.

[@BamaShinesDistillery]

@@jackrotter9434 Yeah, thats why chevy followed suit with their own turbo engines......

[@DeltaSierra426]

It found the gears, it just didn't want to hold one for too long. The Raptor is the technical victor, but a simple manual gear selection would rectify that issue in the Rebel, which any serious towing drivers should 1) be cognizant of for the given tow vehicle on how to operate 2) understand the reason to select a certain gear given the conditions at the time, be it driving hilly ups-and-downs, steep downhilll, or steep uphill.

[@bbur75]

@@DeltaSierra426 that's a good point

[@jw8578]

'Doesn't stiffen me up on the way down'. Andre, best truck video line ever...

[@truckertoddllc]

Roman has definitely became a Ram fan boy and Andre has become a yes man.

[@trevor8908]

Great video as always guys. Your channels are the reason I actually set up a KZbin account just so I could subscribe to TFL.

[@justinjonsson8988]

23:33 not even a Rebel interior! Says Limited on the center storage compartment

[@rkalla]

Very cool callout for coworkers and the effort they put in. The channel wouldn’t be what it is without the 200% you all put in.

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[@AscendingBliss]

Thank you guys for taking so much time and putting in so much effort into thoroughly testing all of these vehicles.

[@Digger927]

In the raptor you had the right rear window down for the noise test, not really a fair comparison there. I disagree the Ram is better for towing...just by the legal rating it's arguable but the real world test showed the Raptor went up with loads of power to spare, the Ram did not then the Raptor was clearly better going down so your conclusion is highly suspect.

[@420banshee7]

Maybe u should try underhooking the trailer chain hooks like you should be doing by law most states all require underhooking and overhooking them is actually illegal in most states and they can actually fine you for it so just saying maybe that the raptor will hook right up and come off if you try underhooking them instead of the overhooking. Just a thought.

[@FacuGonz3]

The RAM interior is just perfect.

[@User2452-i7n]

Beautiful is a better word

[@Absotivalutely]

The Raptor is one badass truck

[@thatfakelaramieslt7127]

Who ever is reading this hopefully you have a great day

[@robertpowers1045]

Straight Piped 99 and a Merry Christmas🌲 ☃️ and Happy New year🎉🍾

[@thatfakelaramieslt7127]

robert powers same to you

[@Jv19979]

You to Merry Christmas

[@strakill]

Thank you. Have a Merry Christmas.

[@thatfakelaramieslt7127]

strakill you to

[@RHaines76Gaming]

I want to mention that my 2019 Rebel is equipped with available flip up towing mirrors. You don't have them but they are an option and are awesome!

[@dustinmittel348]

Anyone notice they got a little side ways before the swap coming down the hill lol great save guys

[@dww0902]

Oh snap 16:36

[@trailspeed7037]

Dustin Mittel lol I came to the comment section to see if anyone else noticed that.

[@joelvasquez3931]

The Ram also got a little sideways 32:34. It looks like they entered thr parking lot a little slower than in the Raptor trying no to repeat the slide

[@lllateralus]

I know it was previously stated.. but 264 degree oil is hot. My older 7.3 F250 with Bully Dog pulls 14,000 pounds up a pretty nasty 7% grade 9 mile long hill regularly and oil temp usually hovers around 225-230 degrees. (Truck not floored, mostly taking it easy at about 40 MPH.. but still working its ass off)

[@jaromjenkins1834]

7:20. I don’t know so much about that. We put 5,000 pounds behind our 1997 Ford F-150 Extended Cab with 6 people in it no problem. Handles it like a dream. I see no reason as to why you couldn’t do it with a truck that’s 22 years newer and double the horsepower.

[@Tonyxyp]

Yeah but the raptor is essential an offroading or race oriented F-150 variant. It makes sense that it isn't optimized for towing. I am sure the new F-150 trucks can outperform the Rebel. There are many tests of uphill towing ability on the internet you can easily google it and see the results. The F-150 beats all its competition by miles. Literally miles xD

[@duggydo]

Really good video. The augmented engine noise is a horrible idea. I agree with Roman.

[@thatdamguy00]

I think a closer comparison would be the Rebel and an F-150 with the FX4 package. That F150 with fx4 has a higher tow rating than the Rebel

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

What a great video and the first video on KZbin that I watched on my 36th birthday today, definitely a good start to my day. I would have to agree with you both for a swiss army knife truck that can tow, haul family and gear and still go off road (not all 3 at the same time of course haha) the RAM REBEL is the winner (or Chevy LT Trail Boss, GMC Sierra AT4) in doing all 3 well. The Raptor did great though for what it is, but has its limits as you two stated when it comes to trying to tow and haul more than two people with that kind of weight would be fine with a 5k lb trailer. Thanks again.

[@npsit1]

10:28 Why would they force you to listen to the "augmented exhaust"? I'd be pulling that fuse out...

[@kevinanglin678]

I think they make a kit to disable it online

[@JLeeChron]

You can just ask the service department to disable it. They will in my experience

[@harleyjackson5513]

Righteous, screw you!

[@mrclean5953]

Disable through forscan!

[@tictacap]

@@mrclean5953 foreskin?

[@nbowling10trio]

I'd Pick the raptor for durability and reliability. No one in my family will buy dodge or chrysler anymore after being burned too many times. It's always the major things that go wrong with them in our experience.

[@ericgarcia5108]

Ok so, a couple of problems with this video. But first off before a say anything else. The Ford Raptor and the Dodge Ram Rebel are NOT in the same class, not even close! The Ram Rebel compares more to the Chevy Silverado Z71 or the Ford F150 Fx4. The Raptor is in it's own completely separate league. What the Ram Rebel essentially is, is just a normal 1500 on coilovers and air bags. Other than that there is nothing special about the Ram. The reason the Raptor doesn't tow as much is because of it's specifically offroad suspension. As I mentioned before, not a normal everyday truck like the Ram. But i'm obviously not telling you something you don't know. What doesn't make sense though. Is that the Ram got the same MPG's and time as the Raptor. When the Raptor was at it's max towing rating, and the Ram still had several thousand post to go. Not only that, but it also had to break the most out of the two, again while the Ram not towing max. So how did it win when the Ram did the same in one segment, and did WORSE in the other segment? That makes no sense what so ever. I honestly can't wait to see when you max out the Ram. Because if it did the same or WORSE as the Raptor. With still several thousand pounds to go. Then it's probably gonna do terrible with max towing. Might have to floor it all the way up, and break 10 times on the way down. Look, I understand that you are excited about your new truck. But that doesn't mean you should say the other is worse, just because you got the competitor. In other words, don't be bias.

[@grgoss1]

Well said. And I would flip the argument around too. Put 3 or 4000 lb trailers on and do a side by side comparison. Watch raptor clean up. And ya, everyone understands that if you want to tow heavy, get the dodge.

[@grgoss1]

I would add, I don't mind they tested the raptor against the rebel. I get the raptor is an offroad beast and not really set up for towing, but if I get one, I will be using it as a daily driver, for towing light trailers (under 5000 lbs), for carrying some loads to the dump, for some light 4x4 (not bashing and abusing it, but using it) and for gravel roads. It wouldn't be parked in a garage and only used on high speed offroad days, so the info is helpful. Based on everything I've seen, would love the raptor with the sole exception being the wider track on tight trails and the dumb fake exhaust tone.

[@bobclark6350]

Because both vehicles were able to hold 60 mph going uphill I'm not surprised that they did it in the same time. In other words, even if you had all the power in the world you would still make the same time because you can't go faster than 60 mph. So, the only exception was the acceleration part in which case one might argue one truck should have been faster than the other which is where I might argue that the Ram should have been a little faster since not at max payload. But max payload is more of a structural rating (tow ratings do not give an effective speed range) keeping in mind that the Ram also has less horsepower/torque.

[@lancekohl124]

What about the fact the raptor is $20k more than a Rebel? Many Raptors are over $70k.

[@grgoss1]

@@lancekohl124 I guess for me, price is easy to figure out. Function requires some more thought. Then you can overlay price to figure out what features and functionality are worth the price.

[@rooster3019]

I have been guilty of chiding Andre, all in good fun, about his nervous and timid off road technique; BUT in this episode Andre is the BEAST! Good job!

[@IDontKnowHer212]

The Raptor is my favorite hands down, even if it’s not the perfect vehicle, I mean no one or anything can always be #1 at everything.

[@idontcaresapo8233]

Liev same here it’s just that I can’t afford it.. so me second favorite is the 2019 rebel so I’m getting that one in a few moths

[@xx_sam_xxss5305]

Me too bro

[@DannyECO7]

Merry Christmas from Puerto Rico!

[@crimsonstang]

Andre, I'm loving the Ushanka! I have a nice mink Ushanka from Belarus.

[@hungryhungryhummer]

I had a raptor for over a year and never noticed that the engine sound was fake. They did a damn good job and I’m not even mad.

[@mikeferryman9920]

20:40 " so we have to go into TALL HO mode " OMG hilarious lol

[@larryburnett100]

Another great video lots of information can't wait to see that RAM maxed out 👍👍

[@RANDOMHOBO01]

Good test, the Hemi 5.7 performed well (coming from a Ford guy).

[@jorangel87]

Both great trucks hard choice between the 2 but I choose the 2020 ram limited longhorn

[@renntech44]

Merry Christmas dudes! Looking forward to many videos in the future.

[@platinumlawnservice]

265 oil temp is getting up there...

[@JsGarage]

Good to see the Ram actually grade shifts because the 5th gens with 8 speed like mine definitely don’t. At least I can manually limit gears but it should have been able to grade shift. Ford grade shift has always been quite good in my experience. These new Rams are awesome though.

[@ts9271]

The difference is that the rebel is a street truck that you can take off road. The raptor is an off road truck that you can still tow with. Both are designed to serve a different purpose.

[@krane15]

They serve the exact same purpose.

[@ts9271]

@@krane15 yes and no. I honestly wonder how many raptor owners actually take their trucks off road.

[@dahveed284]

You are correct. The Dodge is a 4x4 work truck. The Raptor is a 4x4 desert race truck. Had they wanted a fair comparison, they would have compared the Dodge to a Ford 4x4 work truck.

[@BamaShinesDistillery]

@@dahveed284 No because the 4x4 Ford fx4 would kill the Rebel in a towing test.....The last 150 they took up with 9200 lbs beat the bench mark.......ofcourse they then dinged it because they did not get one with towing mirrors.........it took 10 applications going down as well....

[@jasondonohue7355]

T S i think the Rebel is more of a direct competitor to the STX than the Raptor

[@dontderockmeriz4546]

Thanks for the great videos guys. Honest & fair with every test.

[@evanpugh7599]

Well yeah the raptor has less payload compared to the rebel. The Raptor is definitely more of an offroad truck than the rebel. It literally has seven modes for any purpose. Not to mention fox shocks compared to air ride. When ford introduced the raptor they didn't make it to tow a heavy load.

[@JehoashJonah]

The steering wheel weight can be adjusted from the centre Infotainment system. You'll find it in the settings page of the Uconnect system.

[@robertstutts8315]

Alright! Today on The Fast Lane Truck lets take two city slicker trucks designed for strict off road driving that will never actually touch dirt on a towing test! And then let’s crown the truck that performed poorly the winner!

[@dan4500]

I snorted hahaha. I have a Raptor and take it off road constantly, but I hear you. I see so many pavement queens it makes me sad. But hey, if someone has the money to spend $70k+ on a daily driver truck then so be it.

[@s.centralkeystone558]

Very informative and detailed video with lots of great footage. Great job and thanks for all of your hard work guys!

[@20smgreen]

Do you guys ever use cruise control going up or down? Wonder if the CC would help brake downhill w/o using the brake manually.

[@SSMJ]

@I know you are right, And I just got owned but: That is not how that works 😂

[@20smgreen]

@I know you are right, And I just got owned but: You limit the gear that the truck will go plus being in tow/haul mode the computer knows. Not saying it won't work, but..... In my 2000 Sierra ext cab Z71 stepside I kept it out of OD and set cruise pulling a 30' RV trailer up and down the hills in Tennessee. Cruise controlled the truck to a point vs not having it on.

[@20smgreen]

@I know you are right, And I just got owned but: They're nothing to laugh at, granted they're not what Colorado has but they have some that are still 6 and 7% grade.

[@quikagc5]

266F oil temp in the Rebel is getting up there. That’s in the snow too.....

[@dan4500]

Heads will warp in the summer or it'll crap out on the side of the road. No way in hell it should be rated for 10000lbs and be on the IKE

[@porter_thrall0118]

Welcome back to off the ranch 😂 beginning theme music

[@kralgrcan5318]

Tfl making my Christmas merry thanks guys

[@sevenfourgt1904]

I appreciate the efforts in your videos

[@retroelectro1190]

Going to pickup my 2020 Ram Rebel Black Edition (fully loaded) in 3 days. Trading in my 2017 Big Horn....Can't wait!!!

[@steveadams8977]

Love the channel and all the honest reviews 🤙

[@joelesko681]

Merry Christmas to all at TFL!! Wishing you all a healthy, prosperous 2019.

[@BenJamin3149]

Will you guys do the Ike with Mr. Truck and the new Chevy 4500+?

[@BsurfChillin]

16:49 sliding in back end, woah!

[@21area21]

Your timestamp is a bit off but yeah. Good catch

[@PensacolaHvac]

Love the trailer hitch comment I felt the same way . Going from my Chevy to my work f150 I was like what am I doing wrong and came to same conclusion

[@teop7887]

The Raptor is designed for off-road racing, not towing, the suspension is too "soft". The Ram is the obvious choice. Still, I'd take the Raptor 😁 Merry Christmas!

[@mikemissouri5152]

Oil temp was 265 in the Ram. Seems pretty hot especially with the cold outside temp. What if it was 95 degrees outside?

[@Slyder2828]

Thank you for the work you do🎅🏼👍🏻

[@RockyTop1911]

Another great video! Thanks Guys.

[@justindunn4641]

The Ram braked 5 times going down at way under max towing..... the Raptor was at max and only did 3.... the Raptor has more hp, more torque, and at max towing still had the same fuel economy. The Ram was way under “max” towing yet braked more and couldn’t beat the Raptor in fuel economy? But the Ram wins because you don’t like fake sound and bending down for an extra 15 seconds to hook it? Lol.....Cmon guys..... Your Ram bias is starting to shine through since you made the Ram purchase!

[@bwmclaurin]

It won towing because if you can only tow your boat/RV by yourself or one passenger, and no gear, kids, friends, etc., that would suck. So no, no bias just facts.

[@tinkleburn5574]

Lol gotta remember, Roman just bought the dodge, .. notice no Silverado? Other vids have the other guys taking the Silverado over the ford and dodge, guess he got sick of it

[@davidhobbs5807]

He's biased from the get go its self evident, he owns a Rebel and he's not going to kick his own ass for doing so. Plus he's still agonizing over the bad fuel ratings be got in a previous test. Raptor wins all day.

[@trudeaumustgo1920]

@@bwmclaurin same thing if the boat weighed what the max towing of the rebel was so whats your point? Just buy a boat that matches what your truck can tow.

[@carloscortez1442]

Justin Dunn the raptor is gay with the engine Sound through the radio speakers that’s pathetic for a TRUCK! It didn’t do anything better than the Ram That’s why it loses.

[@Masterchief.1033]

You guys are my favorite auto channel

[@billwhiteathome2080]

Raptor payload, 1088lbs. Rebel payload, 1498lbs. Ordinary F-150 payload with 3.5L V6, 3230lbs. (towing is 13,200lbs.). The Rebel cannot beat a Raptor off-road nor out haul an ordinary Ford pickup. Shouldn't this test have been an FTX F-150 and the Rebel. The Raptor is in an off-road class all by itself. Plus the Fords will never rust.

[@jacoblavender5766]

Great video guys! Informative and entertaining.

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

I don't know what "Tall Ho" mode is, but I wish it came with my truck 🤣

[@patrickburgmeier7902]

A new saying for you Andre. In trucker lingo you say "Put her in the hammer lane and let her eat!" Or in racing lingo, "I wanna hear her scream for mercy!"

[@stubblekusaf]

Hearing ya'll complain about the augmented exhaust note is getting old.

[@ItzOver9k]

@Rick Johnston You can't just "take out the fuse" for stuff like that. It's built into the software of the truck. They're all rolling computers now.

[@ItzOver9k]

@Rick Johnston Yea really. If it's an augmented exhaust note piped through the speakers, that really can only be done via software and I can almost guarantee a dealer wouldn't turn that off for you. I am pretty sure you can buy a tuner or get a tune and have it turned off however.

[@dahveed284]

@@ItzOver9k Its an interesting question. If I had a new Raptor, I would want the ability to control the fake engine noise. Especially if its only in the cab. I'd turn it off.

[@59BigWalt]

Thanks, Merry Christmas Guys.

[@elliottwalsh94]

16:40 drifting the raptor w/ trailer into the parking lot!

[@laxxman7]

A couple takeaways, look at Borla ATAK for the rebel if you want to really hear the hemi. Towing uphill at 60 should yield the same time in both trucks aside from the acceleration at the start. I feel that setting the cruise control to 60 and measuring the amount of gear shifts would give a better representation of how hard the engine is working. Going downhill the gearing of the transmission plays a big role with the tow/haul mode. The engine will try to set it to the gear that gives highest efficiency, but with 10 gears the range that the raptor can run at is much more defined, so 60 could sit right in 3rd with the RPMs while in the rebel the RPMs would try to shift it one higher to keep max efficiency. May be wrong but that’s my take. How was the trailer sway for both? The rebel has air suspension which should help keep the trailer even more level and eliminate an extra variable, maybe if sensors were hooked up to the sides to measure how frequently the trailer swayed you could estimate which is a smoother tow. What is the weight of each truck compared to the weight rating and fill rating of the tires? Especially in the cold and elevation there could be a large variance with that. Love the Ike videos and just throwing out my ideas!

[@claude3990]

Great Video, but as you guys always have said the Rebel is more of a comparison to a F150 FX4 pkg. The Raptor is not made for towing, you guys know that..Please retest the Rebel against the F150 FX4 pkg. I do agree that Rebel interior is Gorgeous. Happy Holidays

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Yet it's rated for 8k.hmmm..

[@benjaminwayneb]

@@EGGINFOOLS It looks like the Ram should be rated for about 6000 lbs. by the way it struggled with this weight!

[@EGGINFOOLS]

@@benjaminwayneb It shifted alot yet had a faster time!

[@knealford]

That was a good save pulling the raptor into the snow sideways before hooking onto the rebel

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Great test! I would have picked the Ram before you even hooked up to it just because of the towing ability and payload. Having to brake 2 more times wasn't a big deal with me.

[@SSMJ]

What's interesting to me is that they're letting the truck and its software do all the engine braking, instead of actually manually selecting a lower gear. I would bet you the RAM based off the RPMs could probably go down another gear and still be okay and that would definitely increase the engine braking performance by quite a bit. The Raptor software did a much better job however, and kept that thing about as high as it possibly could go in terms of RPMs without sitting in Red Line. That's probably the biggest difference between these two trucks in the downhill tests, which is super interesting.

[@tinkleburn5574]

The extra breaking is worry some, aspecally so far below max cap... Meaning dodge may have exaggerated the numbers... Very dangerous

[@krisherrera9834]

The only thing I regret about my 19 ram rebel is not getting the level 2 package and the 12 in screen, but besides that i love it

[@douglashewitt7749]

Ratings obviously don’t matter the Raptor is rated less but towed better when it was maxed out and the Ram still had 3000lbs to go. So I’ll take the raptor all day.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

I noticed how the Ford guys didn't say this win the Chevy HD did this to both ford and ram on the Ike.

[@douglashewitt7749]

Who said I liked Fords

[@EGGINFOOLS]

@@douglashewitt7749 no one

[@owen_81]

I just sent this question in. 😀 Glad to see you were already thinking it.

[@wildosvt]

To say that the RAM is anywhere near a trophy truck is a stretch of the imagination.

[@justinhardt1]

Neither of them, honestly.

[@wildosvt]

@@justinhardt1 I agree. But Raptor can jump and handle the rough all day. I'm ready to see that testing next. The RAM won't keep up with it.

[@ItzOver9k]

@@wildosvt You get what you pay for, the Raptor is quite a bit more expensive. They already tested off-road as well, and the RAM did keep up but I don't think it won, I don't recall. I think the Chevy did.

[@miath]

wildosvt maybe you need to check motor trend cross Canada they said the raptors is only good in west coast,,

[@GrayGhostDog1]

@@ItzOver9k I think what he means is seeing the Rebel do what we have seen the Raptor do in numerous videos, and that is romping on it pretty hard at higher speeds and some decent jumps or something... I have not seen the Rebel do any of that and TFL has not done it either on any truck, except at manufacturer-held/controlled events with the Raptor...

[@maxracingteam23]

Ecoboost are great for towing expecially in the mountains.

[@exileut]

Oil Temp: 235 for Raptor, 264 for Ram. 35-60MPH = 9 seconds Raptor, 16 seconds Ram

[@Fordman7575]

Roman being a little fiat fan boy. Every video he sits and nit picks everything about any Ford in the video. But refuses to point out anything bad about the fiat( and there is plenty ) . Let's see the Ford did better up hill (didn't work as hard as the fiat, cooler oil temps ), has more power & torque yet didn't get worse mileage. Then also did better in the down hill. And yet he still says the Ford lost to the fiat. What a joke.

[@dochollywood1921]

Fordman7575 well when you need more than 1000 lbs payload and 8000 lbs towing, the choice is kinda clear. And let’s not forget there isn’t anything actually “fiat” about the ram. They chose the rebel because despite the fear hunting and the downhill brake applications, it excelled everywhere else just as much if not better than the raptor. Call it what you want, but don’t lie to yourself because you too are also a fanboy.

[@Fordman7575]

@@dochollywood1921 The Raptor is a specialty off road truck that is in a class of it's own. The rebel is a trim level. If you are going to compare apples to apples then compare the F150 with the FX4 package because that's basically all the rebel is. Then compare the towing/payload capacity. Roman liked to brag how much the rebel can tow. Well lets see it! Let's see how bad that turd struggles doing the super IKE challenge. It couldn't beat the Ford Raptor pulling 7,000 pounds let's just see how it struggles pulling 11,000! Hell the rebel's rear even sagged more then the Raptor's. What the hell is it going to do with a with 400 pounds more tongue weight. It was funny how roman bashed on the Ford in previous Ike gauntlets for sagging more then the competitors yet when the rebel sags more "Let's call it equal" . BS! No matter how little the difference was the rebel still sagged/drooped more then the Raptor. Nothing fiat about it? Fiat owns chrysler so everything about it is fiat. Yea I'm a proud Ford fanboy It's right in my user name. But I also don't post videos on youtube pretending to be unbiased when I'm really not, like roman does.

[@dochollywood1921]

Fordman7575 they literally said a future video is going to be an Ike test with maxed out towing... so you will see it. A 1/4” more sag is negligible in the overall picture, and even though fiat “owns” it, there are literally 0 fiat parts in the vehicle, so it still isn’t fiat. “Oh but there profits go overseas” no they don’t, they go to FCA US LLC, you know, the AMERICAN headquarters, so again, not fiat. And the added mass helped the ford as well, like it or not it is a factor to consider as well. Bigger vehicles tend to feel more stable. I’m not going to say ford is bad, because let’s be honest they aren’t, but someone’s choice is their choice. And legally as well as mechanically, that ford does not outperform the ram realistically in terms of towing. But since you can’t even open your mind to considering that a different brand could have something better than ford, I’ll let you keep working their proverbial shaft as it were. Good day

[@dochollywood1921]

Fordman7575 the ram rebel trim also isn’t near the same as the FX4 package. Rebel trim has a ton more features not just heavier duty shock absorbers and tires.

[@davidharris9259]

Fordman7575 when you call ram fiat you show your jealously but you do have something to worry about FCA soon be number 1 .

[@Big_B123]

Mr. Awesome Andre! Thanks guys! Very informative & helpful test!

[@slimjimmy693]

The raptor wasn’t built for hauling trailers...

[@kipp2139]

Every truck is made to haul at least a little

[@billrobsham697]

Yeah , I agree. I mean it can but wasn't purpose built for it specifically. I'm almost thinking the F-150 Tremor would have been a better component in this test. Probably built for work and play with the right all around gearing

[@isaiahartrip7085]

Love your channel. You guys always make the best reviewa

[@chrismyers1725]

I’m sure Andre is exhausted from putting a hose in a water jug. Ooooh the horror

[@JLeeChron]

Chris Myers that, and putting it into the same position as before....haha

[@bennyb6071]

Not having a 9 to 5 job and driving the newest and best trucks must be horrible as well

[@johnjames7712]

Wow, haven’t seen Roman on these Ike gauntlet tests in a while. Very refreshing.

[@davidstephens8871]

Was that the "Off the Ranch" intro music?

[@robertwalker1248]

Yes it was

[@dmegahan]

It actually was played here first long before Matt started using it in off the ranch. That particular track is copyright free so no royalties have to paid. Hence why you will actually see it in many different you tube video. TIL has used it for about 4 years now. Off the ranch only about 8 months.

[@skullcrusher2732]

okay guys I have a question do you think that GM is ever going to use 410 gears on their diesels because both Dodge and Ford use 410 gears on their diesels and I think that's why they can tow more since Chevy only uses 373 if GM ads 4:10 gears then it should be much closer as far as towing with the diesel

[@blakeybw]

The Raptors needs a V8 5.0 Twin Turbo period, a V6 is not for a Pickup Truck.

[@dan4500]

It had a 6.2L that the V6 just dominates in terms of HP and TQ... So yeah, not everything needs a V8.

The payload was 1100 pounds on an 87 dodge half ton I owned. I put over 4000 pounds in it and hauled it to the dump. I was surprised it didn't break the axles but it did it without breakage.

[@frngljav]

How is it possible that hardcore truck has the same payload as 2wd sedan? And driving like that (5500rpm) for sure ccannot be good for engine...

[@mikefahy482]

Offroad suspension doesn't work well for towing or payload

[@UniversityOfTurmoil]

Indeed. It seems the 'full size' American pickups have half the payload compared to a 'small' truck like a Hilux. I wonder if the American version of the new Ranger is similarly down-rated compared to the Rest-of-the-World versions.

[@ShelbygtR-wo8wh]

@@UniversityOfTurmoil The top payload on the Ranger in the US will be 1,860 lbs,the top payload for a F-150 is 3,230 lbs

[@RedWingsninetyone]

Have you tried using cruise control on the down hill? I rented a Mustang GT and took it in the mountains. With cruise set it engaged engine braking when I got too fast down hill.

[@danhellerjr]

You guys kept saying how the Rebel can tow so much more - according to the door stickers. I too want to see how that big bad “Hemi” does with 11K behind it. Going up the hill, I’m betting it won’t be able to maintain 60 the whole time. After that becomes the case, you should ignore the stickers for a minute, hook that same trailer up to the Raptor, go up the hill and see if you can still say the Fiat tows more... Other than having a stiffer suspension, the Rebel is outgunned in every way.

[@trenton.tchannel1810]

Raptor would tow better because it has forced induction whereas the ram is naturally aspirated at a mile above sea level so it's already handicapped and has to work harder

[@justindunn4641]

Daniel Heller agreed

[@bwmclaurin]

I assume you know there's more to towing than just shocks and the engine? If not, lets just put a hitch on a zo6 Corvette and have the best of both worlds.....

[@aaron5222]

Well the rebel is also a cheaper truck

[@CoyoteFTW]

sons of liberty - BriNg THeM tO SeA LeVel. The Raptor is a better truck in every single way. Period. Don’t like it ? Dgaf. Go bitch and moan somewhere else. Sea level or not the rebel will get its ass handed to it.

[@snakeboy1991]

Hook the chains from the bottom up where the opening is facing up. Truck driver here telling you how the d.o.t. Would instruct you on how to attach chain.

[@danfun375]

Another awesome IKE

[@CarsAndZebras]

I like that Ike guy... seems pretty cool.