On observation and motive | J. Krishnamurti

Saanen 1977 - Extract #1 from Public Discussion #2
'On observation and motive'
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[@juanrobles4633]

Today I took my kids to this trampoline place I notice a gentlmen smiling at his son the smile had no direction or effort a freely giving smile. Just like flower or a bird flying freely love i cant explain it.

[@MukeshAmbani_Mumbai]

Wonderfully put together.

[@heinmolenaar6750]

You said it well

[@Johan-vk5yd]

When my mind goes freely, with no effort stopping it, it gives me endless interpretations, possible explanations, and ”all the rest of it”. The gentleman watching his son on the trampoline might’ve gotten his mirror neurons fired up from the sheer sight of the happy child jumping, and inside he was also jumping up and down on the trampoline, having a great time. And I don’t know. Thanks for sharing.

[@anestos2180]

don't judge a book by its cover don't judge a book don't judge don't .....

[@rameshrajkarne3652]

Yesssssss

[@beck32]

Has this happened to you? Is this what you went through?

[@beardwithmoustache6636]

After watching him for more than a year it's finally clear to me what he meant by observation. Blessings to the person who put this on youtube.

[@beardwithmoustache6636]

Thanks to the person who liked my comment as it gave me another chance to listen to K.

[@mckakashi7797]

I started now and I want to know what you learn from him , please tell me

[@akashdeep-xc6nc]

@@beardwithmoustache6636 so you need something stimulating pleasurable thing to carry on .

[@basithamid4712]

@@mckakashi7797 ‘jiddu’ K is an inspiration to us who live in Ojai California where he spent his later life and enlightened so many people from around the world Read his books keep watching these videos and his lengthy dialogs on KZbin amazing library …

[@GauravKumar-xu1hc]

What I like about him is that how humble and respectful he is with people/audiance ,he has no ego about his tremendous knowledge about life.He proves a thought that" A tree with lot of fruits is always little down to earth."

[@namavenugopal8682]

👌👌👏👏👏

[@akashdeep-xc6nc]

Thought thought

[@asterixdergallier2743]

"When I observe my conditioning with a motive, this motive is born out of conditioning and will cause further conditioning...so, is it possible to observe without any motive?" ...I intellectually see the logic of it. But: Being fearstruck, suffering, "observing without a motive" appears to be a most heroic act: disregarding my own acute suffering and observe without a motive, for the only reason that this is the right thing to do, in spite of the urge that comes from the suffering. While I say this, there is clarity.

[@heinmolenaar6750]

You must watch your suffering whithout a motive. It's not impossible.

[@karanagrawal8499]

Must ???.there lie world of motive.

[@100basilmat]

The purpose of fear is just protection of organism, nothing else. There is nothing to be fear about fear.

[@heinmolenaar6750]

We have a lot more fears who has nothing to do with protecting our body.

[@paulblack9600]

Read David Bohms Thought as a system.We are a system of involuntary reactions

[@joydevghosh8017]

In short Krishnamurti wants us to apply our intelligence to understand how our mind is entrapped, to react in a biased way to the things of the world around us ,by its conditionings formed over the years. This understanding makes our mind free from the trap (which is a necessity and not a motive) and only then right action follows.

[@roshanvemana8250]

Can you pls give an example of by taking common life scenario, and help me understand what conditioning and motive are...based on your understanding

[@suyashsharnagat2912]

What intelligence ? So intelligence is separate from mind ??? I mean who is doing this unbiased watching ... It's mind itself And if it is then it's a practice ,again mechanical repitition ???and that's what Sir J krishnamurti is not talking about

[@heinmolenaar6750]

@@suyashsharnagat2912 we have a brain beyond the brain is the mind the mind is not our mind and is not in the body. Real intellicence is in the mind and is the same as love. This love come into being when you wacth and listening as krishnamurti explains. And this will never be become a routine or n action you practise. You are not, when you watch and listening, their is only watching and listening with is the action you do not acting . If you want a result, you don't have understood what krishnamurti teach. The change is watching and listening itself. Just listen without any movement of thought, and without concentration, effort, motive and desire for a result. At the same way you watching. Then the mind is connected with the brain. Then is the brain the same as the mind.

[@CalusaCustomConcepts]

This is as succinct as I've heard him. Thank you

[@dip7984]

How many of us have started observing

[@heinmolenaar6750]

Do you?

[@coolsummer1849]

I See the awareness of only the single fragment which is dominating all other fragments ,let's say physical pain is dominating to see the other fragments so I am aware only of the physical pain which is tremendously active at the moment so it has to be slowed down and totally stop to have that total awareness of the whole at a moment, to be totally aware of the physical pain without any choice.

[@10HW]

7 people don't like being unconditioned

[@aravindj6550]

Golden words by the great legend❤️

[@sricharanyellajosyula1867]

Admin : AI learn this. Learn what it is to be truly intelligent. Intelligence is the greatest form of love.

[@AnthonyHoward-ru8su]

Some people are attached to the image that their conditioning creates in such a way that it seems as if to them Krishnamurti's message would be to some extent offensive

[@sanekabc]

To open Pandora's box. :-)

[@niallblackburn8160]

Krishnamurti vs the Aircraft: Round 2

[@creamstein]

24:24 Compassion like it’s fashion boo.

[@seamusdebuitleir20]

Great to listen to K! He was ahead of his time.....

[@filipemonteiro1023]

Maybe he was not...the proof is that we are listening a lot of time after the record

[@Johan-vk5yd]

@@filipemonteiro1023 At last we caught up with him.😄

[@elmarwagner2683]

One may not be able to practice it, but one can or should prepare oneself for it by understanding deeply and thoroughly the meaning of pleasure, desire, suffering, death, and so on. Only if one understands completely depersonalized these concepts, the awareness can reveal what is happening with and around oneself without any identification and motive. The rest follows as he explains.

[@Marci92xyz]

69th comment 😏

[@lenaselyanina8131]

How deep!

[@ThePianist-yt9wo]

❤❤❤

[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻

[@deeptikheterpal8430]

Can anyone help " K was probing into question that can conscious observe unconscious" , I couldn't understand the ans of this question. It was not answered clearly.

[@SkandPujari]

Let me try to answer this. One of our conditioning is to divide the total consciousness into consciousness and unconsciousness (or sub-consciousness). The other conditioning is that the conscious part of the mind has the ability to examine the unconscious. Please see the enormity of these two premises. The entire business of psychological examination is dependent on them. The experts saying that we will examine it for you. But if one goes deep into the question that can conscious part examine the unconscious, then it is not difficult to arrive at a simple fact that the whole exercise is a complete waste of time. This means one sees for oneself that psychologically speaking there is nothing of value either in the conscious part of the psyche or in the unconscious part. It does not mean that the consciousness does not contain anything of value. The technical knowledge, the skills, the command over languages - all things associated with livelihood - are of tremendous value, of course. But psychologically speaking, there is nothing (not a thing !). Just see what a great discovery it is. If one goes beyond the verbal description, one can feel a great burden being lifted.

[@heinmolenaar6750]

@@SkandPujari well said.

[@vinaykumarmishra9040]

If there is total awarness(consciousness),no unconscious exists there..take it another way ,light and darkness cannot exist at the same time

[@technoworkfull6375]

To be aware, génial ! Thank you !

[@prabhukrp]

💛💚💙🙏🙏🙏 K cute man ever

[@bhosale6136]

❣️

[@preethikrao]

🙏🙏🙏

[@fatoufrancescambow5876]

♥ Thank you

[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻

[@bhupendratomar4575]

Tq

[@mtokhi]

Where is the rest of it? Now let's discuss it... and the video ends.

[@KFoundation]

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[@jokerjackass8461]

🙏

[@brutusalwaysminded]

Good one. Thanks.

[@creamstein]

4:59

[@rajas3470]

I am not sure if it is possible to observe without motive...also how long to continue such observation? Maybe if we start trying it out then we can see what would happen?

[@uniquegamer8196]

What an explanation of observation step by step totally. That's helps to exposed whatever in consciousness....To be free up mind........ Hats of sir🙏🙏🙏

[@stellaercolani3810]

Your genius is serene.

[@adityapatil8500]

u can see the face of jiddu krishnamurti, case 1 : when the airplane made the noise first time , he stopped for a while and as soon as he was going to start again the noise came , and there was a slight smile in his face which meant " this is the noise of the air carried by plane, a realization " case 2: when the airplane made noise once again after 10 min he waited a minute more compared to earlier

[@heinmolenaar6750]

In krishnamurti's life the teachings and his life are one. That can you see how he behave when a aircraft comes.

[@stellaercolani3810]

Meditation is observance, no?

[@UND3RCULT]

observance of the infinite within, i believe.

[@andreadomingachidiac9855]

No, just observing

[@heinmolenaar6750]

Through observation arises meditation.

[@creamstein]

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