Open Bar #34 - The Last of Us Impressions, Velma Gets Destroyed, Frosk Leaves Gaming

Join me, Melonie Mac, HeelvsBabyface, Rags and MauLer as we cover the big events of the week. Also, sorry the upload took so long - blame it on KZbin's ad verification system.

[@ivanstrydom8417]

Speaking of men in their 50s. When I visited Puerto Rico ,I went free diving with a local scuba diving instructor, the man was in his early 50's, a grey beard ,wrinkles around the eyes...yet he was built like Poseidon. Not hulking like body builder fanatics, I mean covered in healthy natural muscle. Since he swims each day, doing free diving , his body and lungs allow him to remain submerged ,swimming amongst the coral for 2 minutes on end. This man, clearly in his fifties could honestly wrestle and drown a tiger shark if need be. So Joel being in his fifties doing what he does in game, is entirely plausible.

[@taterboob]

I love how a discussion of Velma organically led to Az telling a story about almost OD’ing on morphine.

[@kwazhims3lf]

i'm late.. havent seen it yet cant wait for story time

[@ChristianATemple]

Drinker says We pay extra for that, Az says No, she said the 1st one's free - lmao

[@dragonknightleader1]

Morphine is the gentlest way to go.

[@nhagan001]

Ironically this is probably why “not shaggy” doesn’t do drugs in this universe! Velma turned him down so much he OD’d to obtain a fantasy where he was wanted!

[@mrbisshie]

I like how Velma made Batwoman seem like a great show in comparison.

[@lobalee1873]

Drinker: Yes! I have made the long man short! MauLer: *whimpers in the background

[@luthasunspell8365]

Can you offer a Cthulu-type alien in a mask a tissue and a hug? Because I feel like Mauler needs that now. Cruel, Drinker. Very cruel.

[@jonbaxter2254]

mauler makes the best background noises.

[@presleybaldwin3756]

That part was awesome.

[@joseantoniomillabrito2764]

For me, Longman is a media surgeon...his take on the SW sequels is brilliant and he takes the time he needs to make his point. He's The Big Platoon.

[@mrq1]

I felt bad for Mauler. He is "the Long". Remember he needs at least 8 hours to stretch out completely and a minimum of an hour just to warm up. Stopping him at 30 seconds must have been crushingly painful.

[@joshuahenderson3444]

The fact Mindy Kailing is a 40 yr ol and still mentally a prom queen teenager shows alot of stunted growth as an adult

[@TibiConstantine]

let's talk about sexism in Velma...

[@joshuahenderson3444]

@@TibiConstantine oh god do not get me started we had enough of that with fucking She Hulk

[@jgmaurer31]

What's funny is that (as she came from a rich privileged household) she has more in common with Fred than Velma. Then again, I've come to expect projection from these rodents....I mean people.

[@ArrakisHeir88]

She's only 40? Fuckin hell, she looks like a leather sofa

[@bartsullivan4866]

@@jgmaurer31 Isn't that ironic you are right the money looking for something rave about when they have had a much easier life than they project. Kind of like a kid living in the suburbs who claims they are from skid row.

[@fewmaster7774]

The Reaper (I think) nailed it on his channel by saying "Watching Velma is like reading the manifesto of a serial killer". 😀

[@jonbaxter2254]

Reaper is great, such a grumpy Scouse.

[@fewmaster7774]

@@jonbaxter2254 Regarding Resident Evil: "These writers need to be exiled from society ..." 😁 He really deserves to get a much much larger audience.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Lol

[@eluzai]

​@@A_KZbin_Commenter I

[@damaj40124]

Rags hiding behind an avatar whilst also being passive aggressive and condescending really lowers my respect of his input.

[@MegaSpideyman]

Really?

[@zionharris9432]

Rags makes fun of everything, I'm pretty sure it's a second nature for him and I love me a good insult👌🏾

[@RSG_TheMonster]

A bunch of people coming together to destroy an awful show that should not exist is kind of beautiful!

[@arthurdent9745]

@BL OMEGALUL OW SEED What is your groupthinking here about if not an echo chamber? You aren't above it, you are doing it right now. You, who has grouped everyone else together and completely lacking is self-awareness as he/she does so. you don't like the show, that's okay but if anyone else here doesn't like the show, well that's just an echo chamber?

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

@BL OMEGALUL OW SEED And you lean the other way, what's the difference between you and them?

[@pilot778spartan3]

@@Darkstar_Dayne hambumger

[@thatguywhodoesstuff1432]

I agree Velma is a terrible show.

[@juricadogan3870]

You mean coming together and keeping it alive and actually making it success more like. It is already well known by now that execs are ordering cheap woke garbage because it's easy to make and gets hate watch views. So, in perfect alignment with ironic nature of the Universe, it is people like Critical Drinker and co. who are some of the main culprits and ones to blame for the current state of Hollywood.

[@albreal]

I tried watching TLJ for the first time yesterday. After 30 mins I shut it off. The Leia space scene was it for me.

[@amarcellus1714]

I can't even get past Force Awakens anymore. Maybe the EU spoiled me but every time I think about how the Jedi Order is dead again when this trilogy starts makes my blood boil.

[@redman836]

the sequel trilogy is an abomination. including the force awakens. pure subversive scat

[@chasehedges6775]

The sequels were Fanfiction, plain and simple

[@deathmetal271]

@@chasehedges6775 by someone who was never a fan in the first place

[@bigorange2082]

People openly laughed at that scene. Laughing at the movie. I will never pay to see another movie in the theater. There are other ways. 🏴‍☠️ I will never be that disappointed again.

[@nont18411]

When you realize that Pedro Pascal plays a charismatic dude who got his head blown off by muscular villains TWICE.

[@ironsentinel6047]

Your choice of words perplexes me.

[@arthurdent9745]

Charismatic? He has been a plank in everything except GoT.

[@shanetaylor761]

@@arthurdent9745 I feel like 30 some odd people liked his comment because they misread it.

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

@@arthurdent9745 He was great in Narcos I haven't watched anything with him since then

[@chasehedges6775]

@@arthurdent9745 He is really good in The Mandalorian

[@michaelcarson8375]

Rags became a real buzz kill around 2:49:15 when Little platoon was only talking about a trailer. Like the harry Potter movies that trailer for the pus n boots has all over the TV for months!! NOT COOL at all. Resident Evil 4 really doesn't embody the spirit of resident evil, its a rather bland action game in the art style of tomb raider. I do like actions games, but you buy a resident evil game you kind of expect something closer to RE2 rather than RE4. You can watch "wolf in VR" full playthrough of it in VR and get an idea of what the "new" version his episode style on his playthroughs are very good.

[@MegaSpideyman]

Interesting.

[@DashDarrenger]

Rags comes off very passive aggressive right up until he's an ass. Mauler acts different when rags is on.

[@alex9x9]

For real! Thank you. I taught that only I noticed that and I didn't say anything.

[@MegaSpideyman]

​@@alex9x9About MaulEr or Rags?

[@willnottel5598]

I like the little platoon, and yeah, defintely only heard of him because the drinker had him on. I love thoughtful media critique.

[@wolfwalker334]

30:14 I’m a white woman and I can perfectly relate to main characters in most of the anime I watch. A good portion of which have Japanese male protagonists. It’s like you relate to the personality traits rather than just the physical.

[@---bs9bi]

who do you relate to

[@theprogram863]

Great group for this one. I think the problem is that the writers are full of hate, but also that they see it as a virtue, so they're sanctimonious about it and also eager to show viewers, _and especially one another,_ how hateful they are. It's a badge of honor, it's street cred. "See how angry and bitter I am? That's how you know what a victim I am, and how much I've suffered." It also means that if anyone in the long list of writers gets an idea to stick in a line or plot point that's ideological or hateful, nobody wants to be the white supremacist literal hitler who says that it should be toned down or removed. Like a lot of other shows lately, the terrible writing makes a lot more sense if you imagine the writers obsessively focused on using it as a forum to show off while desperate to avoid being cancelled, and not at all caring about the show itself. In other worse, that the writing gig in hollywood is a high stakes, very high risk game of political backstabbing and climbing for money and reputation, where the shows itself don't matter at all.

[@Shockguey]

For all of the "representation" they claim to do, there was hardly any semblance of Indian culture to Velma at all. Her house was completely homogenized. Shaggy was made a nerd, however was still in accurate. What kind of black nerd doesn't have a MHA/Naruto/Dragon Ball poster?

[@dudesayingthings]

Yesssss i agree with this hundred percent. It's a badge of honor for them. I am the most hateful, so i am the most virtuous. 💯

[@vostro668]

Why is the always unpleasent Rags here?

[@justhanditover]

He is perticulary obnoxious here

[@vostro668]

@@justhanditover Yeah, I can only imagine. Stayed away from this one.

[@jmstater]

Re-watch the first Scooby show. Everyone worked together, nobody had any real foibles beyond Shaggy and Scooby being scared, Velma losing her glasses and Daphne being a little clumsy. Even the Scooby movies changed the characters, making Fred overbearing and arrogant, Velma bitter because Fred took credit for her ideas, Daphne being a bit vapid and vain, etc.

[@burnu2240]

i show them to my kids all the time, everything about it is perfect for a cartoon

[@jonbaxter2254]

Hell even the film from 2003 is good.

[@jmstater]

@@jonbaxter2254 I agree - fun movies. But even then, the writers were working out their high school issues on the 'popular' kids Fred and Daphne. Velma turns the resentment up to 11.

[@jgmaurer31]

@@jmstater The movies were the canary in the coal mine. Not only did it start the unnecessary breakdown of Fred/Daphne and uplifting of Shaggy/Velma, but the writers admitted they tried to make Velma gay (who at that point in the series, was very much straight). Sadly, hindsight is 20/20 :(

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

The TEAM was what made it so good. Every character had their quirks, but also they're short-comings. Okay, Shaggy and Scooby are just scaredy cats and hungry and easily fooled, and we're supposed to laugh at them. But they are still a good friend to the rest of the team, refuse to leave anyone/each other behind and when push comes to shove they stick around. Velma is the smarts, but she cannot see without her glasses. Fred builds and sets the traps and is a leader, but he sometimes gets ahead of himself and things don't go according to plan. Daphne is a level-headed girl, but she can be clumsy. Everyone needed everyone else to keep it all in check. It was never about being the most awesome among the group and putting each other down just because you don't feel validated enough. And best of all, every episode had a lesson. For kids. Do not lie, learn to spot a liar, know who your true friends are, do not take people at their word, do not let your anger get the better of you, don't be impulsive, or greedy. The new show is just "I'm awesome, everyone else sucks, even though I'm the most vile, vapid human Velma. Because I'm the smartest and I am entitled to every good thing in the universe."

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

Thank you for these streams. This is now one of my favorite podcasts.

[@chasehedges6775]

They are fantastic

[@Zathren]

All of them are honestly very entertaining. Open Bar, EFAP, The Real BBC, Friday Night Tights. They're all funny and accurate.

[@jonbaxter2254]

And I can watch them throughout the week over food.

[@neilfraser6151]

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[@DVTIlachaine]

One the best roster so far. The balance between Az/Gary 's energy and the bright and platonic insight from Platoon/Disparu is a must have. In the middle, Mauler and Rags were perfect (Rags was on fire that evening!) and the nice final feminine touch with Melonie was just something needed. Great one Drinker, you might have just found the perfect formula. Highly fun and entertaining!

[@spartangreg1]

Is Rags the same dude as Dishonoured Wolf? Does anybody remember him from like a year or two ago? I think his channel got banned

[@Morrowind4732]

@@spartangreg1 different guy. They both had canine personas and are very abrasive. I can see how you could mix the two.

[@nhagan001]

@@Morrowind4732 from what I have heard it said, if Rags is a 7 on the abrasive scale, Wolf was an 11.

[@spartangreg1]

@@Morrowind4732 Yeah that's what I figured but wasn't sure. Rags definitely sounds different, maybe even younger but DW always reminded me if Jeremy from the Quartering with the way his voice sounds

[@spartangreg1]

@@nhagan001 Yeah, Wolf rarely held punches and gave it to you raw on movies, shows and political and current events. I got a feeling he fell to youtube's ban wave during the identity politic rise that he often called out. Him, Voltaire (from Canada) and the guy who streamed with Halo playing in the background were solid channels.

[@KingoftheOutback]

YOOO! Lil Platoon has 100k!? I never noticed! Damn he's growing fast! Congrats man!

[@adc1222]

Rings of power and she-hulk were absolute godsends for his channel. Probably the best thing about those 2 abominations was that I found his channel from them

[@milquetoaste7144]

He deserves the success, he's so damn eloquent and smart

[@Pineapplestalker]

@@adc1222 I'll have to check out rings of power still, the she Hulk video was absolutely great. Please check out (efap movies ghostbusters 2016) it's not a huge break down its just extremely entertaining watching everyone's reactions it's hilarious asf. I was laughing so hard I could barely breathe anymore poor drinker watched the movie 3 times lol.

[@KingoftheOutback]

@adc1222 I know, as many say, "One man's cataclysmic failure, is another man's 'I'm gonna make shit loads of money making fun of this thing and but still learning from it in the process'" Basically making success out of another man's failure.

[@CMCAdvanced]

EFAP and open bar SHOULD be a fast track to subscribing to people who are deserving

[@medicinally]

Rags comes off super obnoxious in this. Pretty annoying.

[@MegaSpideyman]

He can often be like that.

[@DarthPoyner]

Az and Melonie are spot on. I would rather spend 5 hours watching the Game edited into a movie than watch this series. Pedro is NOT a man like the character of Joel is. They took a stoic, thoughtfully dangerous, hardcore man and made him lesser and reactionary instead of taking charge. In the game, Tess and Joel would show a unified front in the company of others and then would argue about decisions when they were alone. They would back each others play whether they agreed or not, then fight about it when they survived. Joel was scary because he was not unhinged. He was methodical and thoughtful in his violence. Which is much scarier than some unhinged monster.

[@mattmas6628]

I personally can’t buy into Bella Ramsey as Ellie. She doesn’t come off as an angsty teen so much as she comes off awkward. She sounds unnatural when trying to be foul-mouthed, she comes off abruptly when trying to do the comedic Ellie moments (fake twitching, hotel reception gag), and she does WAY too much melodramatic whispering when delivering heavy lines. Admittedly, too many characters whisper their dramatic scenes and that always takes me out of shows. I overall like the show, but really think they dropped the ball on casting Ellie.

[@SaeedUrRehman1]

I don’t mind it 😅

[@taterboob]

She doesn’t even vaguely look like Ellie either. Same with Joel. I will forever maintain that the dude who played Jaime Lannister (I’m not even going to attempt to spell it from memory) should have been Joel. I don’t know young actresses, so I couldn’t tell you on Ellie. It’s clear that they were both cast through Game of Thrones HBO connections.

[@MinersLoveGames]

I'm going to need to see a bit more of her to form a proper opinion. Episode 2 definitely convinced me a bit more, but not wholly.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@taterboob I guess being in Game Of Thrones can get you anywhere

[@carlosdelfino3589]

if they cant show a likable and indearing side of this girl... the show fails with her ;//. i cant...like the girl sorry switche it off as soon as i saw who was supposed to be ELLi

[@patrickthomas2119]

err, rags on this one; I'll skip it. Sorry drinker, I hate that guy.

[@rickymcn1]

Yeah. He's the reason I stopped watching EFAP. He doesn't know how to be civil in a discussion sometimes and comes across like a pretentious twat. I've never heard him disagree with Mauler once. It just parrots him constantly.

[@novastrao6549]

He really is an upos - unpleasent piece of s...!

[@MegaSpideyman]

I can understand that.

[@vincentsolis5149]

Its funny how outside of complaining about it, no one is talking about Velma. As if the show was created just to be KZbin fodder.

[@ab-gail]

Twitter is where you find the rest of the comments on it.

[@BionicleFactory]

I love Platoon's philosophical monologue at 2:42:00

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

Az's response was the best.

[@BillEcoff]

Rags is entertaining and a very logical dude I think, and i even agreed with him and Mauler here about initial impressions, but damn son, not all discussions need to be debates

[@zetterburger]

AZ offended the lib

[@MegaSpideyman]

​@@zetterburgerYeah?

[@jonathangeorge8789]

AZ's overdoseing story was wild. What an epic stream.

[@davidkhan1626]

Finally!!! I was waiting for this all day!

[@thomad4]

43:00 - with the amount of sex in this show [Velma] my bet is that Scooby-Doo is not gonna be a dog, but instead just gonna be a person who's a furry

[@luthasunspell8365]

I think Scoobi (they changed the spelling) is going to be Norville’s black gf

[@mainepants]

@@luthasunspell8365 Race swapping white characters. Species and Gender swapping a dog. Just when you think this crap can't sink any lower Mindy finds a way!

[@BigBenn2014]

All it took was to remake ‘Scooby Doo’ with slightly better ghost/crime stories… but… no.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Gotta update it for *Modern Audiences*

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

Mindy Kaling actually did that "She's secretly a right winger" joke on an episode of Sunny in Philly a few years ago. It was when the guy who played Dennis was doing another show so people thought he would be gone for the new season of Sunny. So the first episode of the season started with Mindy Kaling being, what we were led to believe, the person who would be Dennis's replacement who was trying to take the bar (meaning the show) in this new progressive direction. The joke was that it quickly became obvious that she was using the SJW angle for her own profit. It is a testament to Always Sunny in Philadelphia that it is such a good show it made Mindy Kaling tolerable for a few minutes.

[@woutervanbinsbergen3368]

The last 12 months of releases have been a masterclass in disasterous creation, writing and marketing. Where previously we had individual episodes on decent series that were badly/lazily written, now we have entire series and franchises that are burning to the ground.

[@Cipher71]

My late grandmother's favorite show of all time was Scooby-Doo. This abomination is so utterly atrocious that I'm genuinely glad she isn't alive anymore because it might have actually killer her and that's not the way she'd have wanted to go out.

[@essexexile]

I’ve just heard a Welshman and a Scotsman admit they’re British 🇬🇧🫡

[@ArrakisHeir88]

There's less Europeans every day, we have to stick together or there will be none of us left and then nobody will be able to tell Italians they don't count

[@AndreComtois]

When you talk about having too many producers and managers it brings to mind a great quote: The camel is a horse designed by committee.

[@HegeMarie]

I can see why Scooby would have nothing to do with this show.

[@Makoto03]

It was awesome to see Melonie Mac and Little Platoon on the panel.

[@TibiConstantine]

and nina infinity

[@ajmatheson2807]

The Venture Bros. did a better job reimagining the Scooby Gang better than Velma...

[@larrybelotti4895]

Yes they did and 20 years ago

[@apanickedseagull]

The Titanic was more structurally sound then Velma. I’m dead

[@TonySylvesterOhio]

You can't have fred be competent because it would overshadow Velma, both as the protagonist and as daphnes romantic interest

[@bigideasthescholar]

Best open bar ever! I love the panel, the discussion, and the love for story telling. Cheers to the lot of ya!

[@jahigains9201]

Let Puss in Boots 2 happen. The fight scenes alone were wild, but it was the character arcs that were really on point

[@nunuarthas8680]

4:33 the matrix glitched out for a bit when Mauler said hi to Rags

[@elck3]

Rags and his passive aggression towards Melanie‘s views on the last of us

[@RealityPalooza]

It was cathartic

[@mrq1]

Nothing passive about it. When Rags is quiet, calm and very direct with his questions, he is not happy with someone. Watch the Twin Perfect debate on EFAP, that's Rags full bore pissed.

[@RealityPalooza]

@@mrq1 Rags is agresive but calm. He truly pissed is actually something else.

[@mrq1]

@@RealityPalooza which is why I referenced the Twin Perfect debate. I probably should have rephrased my comment as "There is nothing passive about it, because he is obviously annoyed with Melanie's arguments" You are right, full bore pissed Rags pulls no punches and he was clearly pulling them here.

[@mitchjr77]

@@mrq1 ​ Rags wasn’t pulling back here. This is Rags’ old, tired, disingenuous debating “strategy” he pulls when someone disagrees with his always “reasoned” and “correct” views. But Luckily he wasn’t able to pull it off because Drinker kept the conversation flowing. I’ve seen this SO MANY times! Rags was trying to act all calm and cool, peppering Melanie with condescending questions to try and have her create rope to hang herself with at the end. However, the other end of the rope is usually tied to Rag’s Strawman characterization of the other person’s answers. That’s why sometimes it’s annoying and disingenuous when Rags pull these antics. Look at the Wonder Woman & WW1984 Watch Party on EFAP and how he tried to make Az look like an Ignorant Bigot by Az just saying that it doesn’t make sense and it wasn’t explained why for some reason Pedro Pascal’s Character had a biological Son who happened to be Asian. I haven’t seen WW1984 myself, so hearing about Pedro’s Character’s Son, it would sound strange to me too! Strange like how two Women can Procreate and produce a Daughter named America Chavez. But hey, I guess I’m not as a good person as Rags because he “doesn’t see in Colors”; as he told Az.🤷‍♂️

[@arttkd1018]

Incredible monologue by Platoon at 32:25

[@VespoLiveGaming]

TLOU- my opinion on the show is that all roads lead to a muscle bound shemale with a nine iron.

[@wojciechna81]

Such a great panel. Thank you all.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Velma is actually a miracle series; it's managed to unite diverse groups of people in absolute hatred for it. This series may inadvertently bring about peace in the Culture Wars. 🙃

[@shan4680]

I think The Rise of Skywalker broke new ground in helping making this possible.

[@2nd_Directorate]

Ah yes, the greatest force for unification of humankind...hatred. And this isn´t even sarcasm or irony...

[@Toolness1]

Your username always makes me laugh. Unfortunately (or fortunately if you just enjoy the hate-watch reviews) it sounds like this abomination is going to get another season. I say it's unfortunate because even if it's not widely popular, there are still young people/kids watching and getting influenced by it. And I am sure that's their main goal, pushing their woke religion on others.

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

About ten years ago, Jonah Hill made this animated Fox show called Allan Gregory that was supposed to be kind of a parody of teenage shows. It was so bad that it was immediately canceled and Jonah Hill tried to play it off as "It was supposed to be that bad, that was the point! You just didn't get it!!"

[@vincevirtua]

The third HP movie from Alfonso Cuaron is a classic.

[@emhu2594]

Harry Potter movie series would have been a lot better if they had gotten cuaron to do all of them

[@vincevirtua]

@@emhu2594 maybe, I just liked the style he had. It was a bit more fairy tale.

[@ctr1502]

In the games Joel follows Tess' lead more often than not, as she is the one who is directing the player through the game initially. Joel doesn't want to baby sit ellie, but he ends up caving and following through with it. Joel isn't exactly emasculated in this sense, as Joel is still arguing, disagreeing and is brutally violent when required for their goals. It isn't unnecessarily emasculating.

[@MrThademon]

Not gonna lie, Little Platoon's appeal at least comes from the fact that he sounds like Freddy Mercury when he talks.

[@MAGAMAN]

All these "writers" have a certain flag in their bios.

[@shadikal12345]

american?

[@ArrakisHeir88]

🇺🇦?

[@danabnormal5988]

The Harry Potter books and films don't, in my mind, earn all their accolades. But I admire Rowling for standing on principle. More should learn from her example.

[@CMCAdvanced]

Oh yeah, I fell off the books around the sixth one and the movies around the fourth.

[@campbellsoup93]

I read a comment that they made Fred the butt of the jokes so much not because he was white but because he was rich and that it was a whole anti-capitalism thing so it was 'okay'. But like, historically ALL the members of Mystery inc are wealthy. Shaggy and Daphne's families are STUPID rich. Shaggy's family owns land all over the country, his uncle had a European castle shipped across the Atlantic and rebuilt in America. Even Velma's family has been shown as wealthy, owning museums and such.

[@CMCAdvanced]

For real, even back in the day you needed to make a bunch of money to constantly drive a full sized van with your friends and dog eating enormous amounts of food solving mysteries you don't get paid for.

[@AvatarTTfan]

For non gamers, TLOU has done a good job adapting the game so far, as a gamer that has played it like 8+ times of course I liked it, but I know the story by heart so the show didn't blew me away you know.

[@FloPm3ister]

That staircase thing is in the books. Harry & Ron try to go find Hermione in her dorm & the alert flips out when they go up a couple stairs. Then Hermione lectures them about it

[@draconis3d140]

any way we can get time stamps by topic for these streams if possible? i am really curious to the LoU impressions but ran out of time looking for that section of the stream

[@dudesayingthings]

I love when Az goes on a coherent rant. It just reinforces the ILLUSION that Az is actually a highly intelligent, smart person.

[@mayorebfarnum8114]

Mauler and Rags are arguing for arguing sake, they look silly coz AZ and Melonie made all valid points, also no one has an issue with the whole replacing white man for hispanic man role? neither Joel or Tommy are suppose to be hispanic, but they cast hispanic guys in both roles? If they reboot Desperado will they hire Henry Cavill for the role? i think not.

[@mrq1]

Surface level takes at best that reflect political bias's. Those don't fly with Mauler or Rags and they pushed Az and Melanie to justify their takes on firmer ground. Just because you "feel" something is bad isn't a substantive argument for why it is bad.

[@KBWrecker]

@@mrq1 Rags and Mauler don't seem genuine in this context. We know they are hovering over this show waiting for it to crash and burn so they can get clicks on new videos. I don't buy the schtick where they pretend it might be better than the game. We already know how the narrative of the second game twisted the narrative of the first game. If the show runners follow the plot of the second game and plan for that, this show has no chance

[@mrq1]

@@KBWrecker That is so bad faith. They had low expectations for Andor, but gave it a fair shake and it turned out to be good. They got shit for it. They liked Arcane. They got shit for that. They liked GoWR even though they were originally worried about it going TLOU2 with the story. They got tons of pushback for that as well. They don't go in with the attitude of "I'm not going to like this." It would go against the very ethos EFAP was built on. Doesn't mean they can't have reservations about a show, (which they clearly have here), but they can't allow it to muddy how they perceive the show in order to review it. In short, if they think it's good, they'll say so, if it's bad, they'll say that. If they say, let's wait and see, it means they are not going to prejudge the whole show before seeing all of it.

[@CMCAdvanced]

Well, there's no reason to assume they were going to be accurate to the game's story considering they did indeed race swap characters and with the history of Naughty Dog and HBO. But that's about as much as people care. The show came out, Pedro and Gabriel do a great job. So.....no. It's ok that we have a Latin Joel

[@gryphon7624]

Why does Rags keep getting invited to these things? He never really adds anything intelligent to the conversation.

[@xenomorph733]

No he does you just don't like him

[@novastrao6549]

@@xenomorph733 "No he does" ?? Hahahahaha

[@charlesjung7340]

Hearing the Longman's short opinion at 2x speed is hilarious Also my sister, who is more into progressive stuff pre-order Hogwarts Legacy cause she just wants to be a wizard grillin'

[@daviouscram2101]

After J.K Rolling got attacked by gay socialists. I hear that the Avada Kedavra attack is going to be replaced with " You're a racists" which will instantly kill people by dropping their social credit score to zero.( As it is the modern day equivalent of a killing curse) - This is a joke.

[@kyle1806]

That game only has 20 spells. How the fuck are you only gonna have TWENTY SPELLS in a game entirely about magic.

[@charlesjung7340]

@@kyle1806 sauce?

[@ArrakisHeir88]

Bro I've got news for you. Rowling is a progressive.

[@daviouscram2101]

@@ArrakisHeir88 Not progressive enough for the brain rot mafia. Which is why the are calling her a turf and want her penniless/dead.

[@AndrewThoesen]

Last of Us is around 50:00 mark

[@TheRampantLion]

Fucking finally! Been waiting for this one for two days now.

[@orlyeozero7969]

Awesome podcast, great vibes and discussion for the most part Need to get Rags off this though

[@novastrao6549]

Rags really is a persona non grata.

[@trev6265]

I really like this Little Platoon guy, thanks for the introduction! Also, I have an uncle just like AZ. Needless to say, he is my favorite.

[@GreatUSTreasureHunt]

The key to growing your channel? Be British (or similar), have a cartoon avatar, and produce incredible content. Easy peasy.

[@mauganra2589]

I think Josh Brolin would’ve made a really good Joel. Doesn’t look as much like him, but I think his personality fits better.

[@generalkenobi066]

I think he looks more like Joel than Pedro And he could act like him much better Shame he wasn't starred

[@mala6238]

@The Rue Morgue uh, don't remind us of this movie...

[@chasehedges6775]

Josh Brolin is a legend

[@meimou1754]

I think Jamie Lanasiter would be even better, just dye his hair brown.

[@blockedhaat]

This was like the Avengers of the Critical Community

[@eriksmith2411]

CD: Toilet Duck! AZ: I see your toilet duck & raise you morphine overdose...

[@CMCAdvanced]

Oh, does toilet duck make it so when it cleans the clog the drain makes a sort of quacking sound due to the sudden rush of water draining? How quaint

[@enriquecarro8413]

This is an ideal panel of guests!! Three people to whose channels I'm subscribed, apart from the usual hosts! Coffee is made (I'm at work, I can't reach for the booze right now), so bring it on! It's going to be great. Edit 3 hours later: IT WAS GREAT!! Thank you so much for the laughs.

[@Cigar_viking13]

I work in the film industry. Would love to discuss some of the structure stuff with ya'll.

[@Durzo1259]

I won't be watching The Last of Us because I can't believe, after all these years, people supposedly still want to see *more* shows about zombies. Holy fuck am I sick of zombie shows.

[@PFbigfan447]

People still want superhero movies and how long has that been going on for? If there is anything to be sick of these days is superhero movies. Everyone and their mother is making a superhero movie. Yet "The Boys" is a rather enjoyable breath of fresh air in that pile of shit, just like the last of us (game) was back in 2013. Mostly because neither of them are your typical superhero/zombie gigs. TLOU game had very little to do with the "zombies", it was more about the bond and journey. If this show manages to come close to what the game did, than the "zombies" will have very little to do with anything.

[@Durzo1259]

@@PFbigfan447 Interesting, maybe I should check out TLOU after all. I have only 5 episodes left of The Walking Dead but I can't bring myself to finish it because this last season has gotten so bogged down in fighting hoards of zombies. Like good god, we're all bored to death of 30 minute battle scenes of killing zombies (lazy writing). But TWD has been great these last few seasons when it actually focused on human stories. Overall I agree that The Boys was pretty enjoyable, though sometimes I think it got a bit bogged down in miserable scenes of Super-Captain-America-Man being an evil psychopath. That aspect got to depressing me after a while. But that aside, looking forward to season 4.

[@queemquam]

I only played the game like 2 maybe 3 times (can't recall) but I always thought Tess was in charge, and Joel had kind of checked out after Sarah's death.

[@elmerpufty]

😆 You guys are awesome. I laughed till I stopped

[@clouds5]

The important bit for me about Tess and Joel is, that she is the only connection he has left in this "community" they live in. The game portrays it in a subtle way so it's clear to the viewer/gamer that there was something going on, possibly romantic but it's now complicated. And you can immediately imagine how things might be very complicated in such a setting, with all the violence going on and the military etc. It's not the place to settle down, enjoy a relationship and have kids :D But back to the point, Tess's death means Joel has nothing left. Nothing holding him back, the only way forward is out of the city and with Ellie. It's perfectly done, and there is basically nothing the TV show can add or improve, because the game is already so cinematic.

[@trev6265]

“Technical constraints breeds creativeness.” Look no further than the original trilogy of Star Wars and the prequels.

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍. Revenge Of The Sith is my favorite

[@The-Yellow-Man]

Wow. This has to be one of my favorite line ups for Open Bar. A lot of awesome people on tonight!

[@douglashawley9850]

Trying to get this one monetised would be one of the worlds best work of double dancing and two stepping. That chicken joke made me almost wet myself. How they end season 1 will be very interesting. People won't watch a season 2 because we know where it goes.

[@lukemanion2]

They are obviously going in for the normy crowd, trying to suck enough people in who didnt play the game/s to keep watching after Joel is killed off. It sounds like Season 1 if it goes along with the game will pull that crowd in enough to keep them watching after the gamers peace out

[@SpartyCubsFan]

I watched most of Episode 1 and I’m done. Don’t care as I know where it goes, and the second game is awful even beyond Joel getting killed off by a dude

[@thisisthendgame]

so far with the past couple of episodes Ellie seems to be more antagonistic towards Joel than in the game from what I remember. In the game she was a little distrustful of him, but she wasn't so abrasive and rude like in the show. I don't feel the same chemistry between them in the show compared to the games. But then again it's only been two episodes.

[@toddstone230]

This has been my favorite panel so far on here. Great dynamic and overall vibes. You should all get together again soon

[@robotswithryan8348]

That morphine overdose story was crazy!

[@dudesayingthings]

That discussion on Hogwarts Legacy is honestly the most fun I've had listening to Open Bar. I'm a diehard Potterhead, so it was really fun. Edit: this is one of the best open bar episodes. Great insights, great rants, great discussions.

[@joshtusler7371]

I just wanted one of those burgers from the old show I would get hungry everything I watched it

[@GeorgeLucas_TaintedLegacy]

You guys talking about TLOU and the show coming out makes me want to play through it again.

[@bencousins7311]

i just downloaded the remaster.

[@GeorgeLucas_TaintedLegacy]

@bencousins7311 nice! The remastered added a few extra details...like showing the passport of Joel and tess etc.

[@anielchall9708]

@@GeorgeLucas_TaintedLegacythat girl talking about the show is a absolute doughnut though. She knows nothing

[@tybaskett]

I'm currently looking for my TLOU remastered game to replay. The show really gets you in the mood to play it again.

[@myNameWasNobody75]

There is a need for more shows like Velma. Make them bigger, more expensive, in bulks of 100 episodes.

[@Random-ft3jc]

I think modern movie makers/story tellers are iconoclastic in a corporate sense. Their over all goal is to destroy the most popular characters and stories from the past and then to replace those stories/characters with images of themselves. There is certain term for a certain fascistic mode of governance that uses this methodology directly that starts with a "C." I think you know what it is.

[@chasehedges6775]

Dang, that’s just terrible

[@DANIELEKING]

Chatolic church?

[@JSPena]

50:18 The Speedman!

[@aurahoneydew9607]

To be fair She-Hulk was edited down because the original cuts had the WOKE dialed all the way up to where it was unwatchable. So saying it isn't as bad as Velma is a half truth.

[@absentmindedprofessor]

Too many cooks is correct. Rings of Power also had 20+ producers.

[@Sarx88]

Cool theme song

[@thyagosaints]

That was My favorite so Far,great painel

[@aaronalbertson8670]

Hearing that guy say, "Oh so just because the game did this, the show has to do the same?" was so annoying lol. The others explained their reasoning well, but also.. bro... Have you not been paying attention to the shows based on games/books that decide to "go their own way"? They're all mainly shite.

[@donmynack]

Last of Us is OK so far. I think its been too slow, but it's not as stupid as Walking Dead, which I started watching again and now realize why I stopped watching so many years ago.

[@shanetaylor761]

Weird. I love that it's slow. It's one of my favorite games and I actually think they nailed the characters and look. If they added random less likable side characters to pad the season that'd be one thing but I love the extra time and development they focused on characters worth the time. I haven't started disliking the pre end of days scenes they've been doing yet but to be honest if they continue I want them to somehow tie back into the story. My guess is (*spoilers*!!!!!!!) they'll tie into the doctor that was that girls dad from the second game. Idk if you've played the game but having read the comic and watched the show I don't think walking dead is all that comparable to last of us. I mean walking dead was stretched super thin until alot of its foundational concepts became less important. Last of us is way more focused on character relationships. Not 10 different people at any given time but really the focus is on 2 people. Plus the infection is way more interested as the second episode did a great job showing. The acting is also a notch better. Walking dead is honestly one of those shows you realize had a huge decline after season 1.

[@donmynack]

@@shanetaylor761 I'm not a gamer, I have no idea what happens in the game. The Walking Dead show is just stupider than the comic in so many ways, its exhausting.

[@CMCAdvanced]

@@donmynack you do now

[@roguethinker9179]

Would be good to have Disparu and Thorius Unlimited on as they both watched up to episode 4, plus Disparu is fun and Thorias could use more exposure.

[@drunkpandainc]

There needs to be a Fallout show where they embrace the insanity of its style...trapped in the 50s aesthetic, off the wall characters in a bleak world with stereotypical aliens, robots, supermutants, people like no bark and Moira, cheery billboards and vault boy iconography, vampires, regulators, a gang of Elvis impersonators, the tunnel snakes...all of that weird shit..

[@dragonknightleader1]

I mean, Fallout already had celebrity actors in it.

[@6581punk]

Difficult with an RPG style game. While there is a main story, but there's just so much else to cover.

[@Bluescilla]

With how bad these shows are I have no hope for the Fallout show

[@braydoxastora5584]

Nah no wild wasteland trait stuff

[@Szpareq]

@@6581punk Easy, fallout world with Wasteland type RPG (group of diverse characters with different skills bound by common goal)

[@88HELLJUMPER88]

As far as the changes on how the infection changes, I recommend watching Roanoke Gaming's breakdown of the first two episodes. Essentially, the writers decided to update the way it infects to accurately reflect our new understanding of cordicepts in real life. It's sort of a real-life retcon, so to speak.

[@rogeryoungblood2452]

Rags comes back again, and cant even stop himself from acting like others cant have an opinion (maybe melonie just wants joel to be more like the game, and there is nothing wrong with that) and being a hypocrite (suddenly tell is better than show just because...reasons) This show is always better without Rags

[@deathmetal271]

But you still showed up

[@xenomorph733]

He gave his reasons he's just more harsher toned then other people and I think it makes the show better so now what

[@CMCAdvanced]

If Melanie didn't like the way Joel is portrayed, Rags has every right to tear her a new asshole.

[@CMCAdvanced]

@@xenomorph733 only pussy boys dislike Rags

[@TheIronMenace]

@@CMCAdvanced he is literally a degenrate furry and thinks he has something to be smug about lmao no idea why they would want him on the show

[@Ramdileo_sys]

A friend told me "Velma is a EXAMPLE, of everything that modern society need to fix and correct for future generations. Also excellent for parenting, for explain to children everything that is wrong in the current society, and they should avoid or improve when they grow up" she blew my mind...

[@discojensen354]

During the great depression there were a lot of cartoon produced where a character would attempt or actually commit suicide. That time a lot of people took their own lives, maybe Velma is just a reflection of the non-sense going on today.