osu!mapping: jumps

compiling important aspects of jumps into one video and talking about how they're taken into account by mappers. the rundown:
0:53 - general jumps
1:35 - spacing with jumps
2:37 - visuals with jumps
3:37 - flow with jumps
4:41 - the point
for more details about each concept i talked about, watch these:
• osu!mapping: spacing e...
• osu!mapping: aesthetics
• osu!mapping: flow + ci...
program used to generate a random map: osu.ppy.sh/u/989563
maps referenced:
NoisyCell - Innocence by appleeaterx: osu.ppy.sh/s/557231
android52 - super anime groove 3d world by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/533428
Tomita Miyu, Onishi Saori, Ohzora Naomi, Hanazawa Kana - Gabriel Drop Kick by wcx19911123: osu.ppy.sh/b/1199949
IOSYS - Cirno no Perfect Sansuu Kyoushitsu by alacat: osu.ppy.sh/b/893739
Camellia - Exit This Earth's Atomosphere by rrtyui: osu.ppy.sh/s/517474
SWAN K feat. Asuka M - LOVE B.B.B by rs_fadeaway: osu.ppy.sh/b/758189
Hanatan - Kokoronashi by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/565432
Delain - Go Away by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/475676
Gold Season - Experiment A by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/498498
amazarashi - Speed and Friction TV Edit by yf_bmp: osu.ppy.sh/s/329969
Buta-Otome - Sakebe by BarkingMadDog: osu.ppy.sh/b/986803
HoneyWorks - Miraizu feat.Aida Miou(CV:Toyosaki Aki) by Fycho: osu.ppy.sh/b/696225
WALKUERE - Zettai Reido Novatic by Pentori: osu.ppy.sh/s/552252
Namaste ft. Tiana Khasi - Signs (Radio Edit) by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/668108
Matsumoto Sara - Suika by handsome: osu.ppy.sh/s/485022
Pegboard Nerds & NGHTMRE (feat. Krewella) - Superstar by handsome: osu.ppy.sh/s/517244

[@pishifat]

me too

[@yv1421]

me five

[@kiragem1799]

me four

[@pachicore]

me

[@ATP980]

fuck your chain

[@kiragem1799]

fuck your chain too

[@vertoHUN]

So when are you going to make a video about those jumps? >:3

[@Attewir]

Fucking burned

[@n0thingspecialosu430]

probably never

[@nekokoishi]

1-2 jumps? >:3

[@Wisoven]

Eighteen

[@azreal4633]

@@Wisoven chips

[@asmylia9880]

how about a tutorial, where you explain what to do, when you know the stuff theorically, but can't bring it on paper and there's nobody who helps you?

[@Circl3s]

This video: -spacing -visuals -flow -spacing -visuals -flow -deetz is a piece of shit -spacing -visuals -flow -eh fair enough -spacing -visuals -flow It was informative tho.

[@malevolution7041]

RIP deetz

[@silvercola9155]

Malevolution Does he like arm wrestle pishi every fucking video? Can't even count the times deetz rejected his advice.

[@rockstarrzz7171]

I assume it's all scripted.

[@xDe3tz]

x)

[@game1t]

bad execution

[@wailord2700]

this guys an anomaly

[@TheDireDay]

Yay, I finally have a video to link in my mods when I see random changes in flow/visuals during jump parts and can't explain what's wrong well enough.

[@G6GamingSociety]

can you make a video about spacing consistency? I don't get why people are shooting down my maps because they complain that it's not consistent with the spacing and idk what they mean when it looks fine to me. like if I put more consistent spacing I lose some of my structural things like blankets.. I think that would be a helpful video

[@juniper7121]

bro you have such a nice voice like i can practically hear your smile through the screen

[@TheLetterP]

*sigh* How many ''hello there'' 's are there in this comment section...

[@ciel1486]

- P - hello there

[@aNdReBoSsee]

hello there

[@khrisse1178]

bye

[@tidiane_kzk]

hey

[@aNdReBoSsee]

hello there

[@LeagueOfLeesin]

bye

[@chi221]

hello there

[@suno9758]

I'm not sure if you already made a video about how people map, because I do know that there are so many common mapping styles, yet even if it's considered as their "everyday mapping style" it has at least something slightly different from others. it could be placing, visuals, jumps, and timing, etc. Like you, pishi, mentioned that you focused on many things by steps. I want to know what you personally think about how mappers differentiate from other mappers

[@tastycarbonara]

When you already memorize every word in this video but you still can't make decent jumps. I am a PP farmer, which oftenly plays jumps (pp map) rather than "plz enjoy game" maps. Jumps that I've made doesn't feel right. My muscle memory of jumping can't follow the jumps that I've made myself. Even when playing newly downloaded maps, I can still instinctively by reflection hit the jumps normally (a.k.a I can read it and the pattern is guess-able). When it comes to my own map, I can't hit shit even though it's in my difficulty play range.

[@stanleychen2584]

the deetz roasts are always amazing

[@mathiasschoenning]

deetz vs pishi. READY, GO

[@maddafakka7783]

I always wonder if ( but I'm pretty sure that ) deetz being the example of the dumb modder and mapper in general is a joke between you two. Right? Or do you actually showcase him as that? You guys make those mods and responses for the purpose of the video, right? xd ( just asking cause as you can see, many others think otherwise )

[@soaptastesalrightiguess7932]

Madda Fakka Deetz has all their chromosomes in order, don't worry they are just an example.

[@bigge3189]

Which of your maps do you think is the best/like the most?

[@festeelerfan]

At the end of the video, you say that you wish more maps could go beyond the basics of conventional jumps. What are some examples of maps that do this? Or, I suppose, what are unconventional jumps? (also thank you so much for all of the stellar content you put out)

[@vegardstein7730]

Are you ever going to make a video regarding the different modifiers(AR, OD etc)? I mean it mostly seems pretty obvious, but maybe mappers think of them differently than I do. At least it seems that way sometimes(though I might just suck at reading).

[@ElMustaccio]

would having jumps after strong sounds be acceptable as long as they're used consistently through the entire map/in a section of a song?

[@cieldaube]

Mustaccio that would badly emphasize the strong sounds, emphasizing the sounds after them instead.

[@pachicore]

Taeyang intensifies

[@Firetruckie]

hey pishi what do u think about vocal mapping? i've seen way too many mappers saying its wrong

[@pocket4465]

Would you agree with jumps that are specifically made to be random? (Of course, it would be clear enough and it would be an attempt to focus on the song)

[@Nudgarrobot]

Are you talking about something like, the song portrays someone as insane or out of control, and you intentionally map around the given section where it occurs semirandomly? That seems like an interesting gimmick in theory but it could just end up being a pile of crap in the end.

[@pocket4465]

As an example, possibly a section that seems to have strange or weird sounds (see something like 'cherry blossoms exploding on the dying horizon'). Not a good example I'm sure, but the thing I was going for was to represent genres or feelings of music (like some shiirn maps)

[@mrdeppelman]

You still need to take spacing, visuals and flow into account, not make them completely random. For example, a messy section could be represented by more messy visuals, but the spacings and flow should still make sense.

[@pocket4465]

makes more sense than whatever I was thinking, thanks for the clarity :p

[@lillyie]

Sotarks needs to watch this

[@mezelyus-]

yes

[@Oneeshana]

This music is from Highschool DXD

[@manuar-do9tl]

imo, Randoms jumps are fun ;p

[@kuon4813]

This came up when I searched triple baka

[@ragnarokvii]

Then comes hollow wings.

[@SlasherScott1945]

Hell? Oh! There.

[@Gibbysaurio]

Let's sacrifice Monstrata to deetz so he can save us from randomly placed jumps, shite pp maps and Monstrata.

[@mystith]

"the number one thing to avoid when implementing jumps is randomly placing objects" take notes monstrata

[@CalzaRage]

Hello There

[@starrstyx]

deetz

[@Rzra]

I think these jumps are random because of yes

[@Fainthen]

Was that real response or was it a made up one Because those jumps don't look like it makes the flow go well.

[@Ichybb]

Now how about mapping with other peoples? (Collab with others) Just like Players's Hard

[@ResOwOnance]

i still forget how pishifat basically shaded my dumb ass in the beginning of this video (that tweet was from me fyi and an old tweet at that)

[@SrAmbro]

Well, I can only become a DT farmer... I will never touch the edit button

[@ariankagrand4467]

Yes this is a serious question. Does distance snap count?

[@pishifat]

count... for what?

[@ariankagrand4467]

pishifat count as a valid way to relate jumps to the music

[@uby]

instructions unclear Intersect Thunderbolt-Remix

[@greysonwilliams7402]

HellO THERE

[@pixelbyte4886]

eh, fair enough.

[@cycopton3673]

*quaver*

[@oneirescence]

O o O o O o H

[@Okoratu]

bingo bango bongo

[@357MAGNUMSNIPER]

bish bash bosh

[@martintammpere5083]

RE:Fri-Ge-Ra-Tor

[@lithium820]

"They technically aren't Random, [...]being random is the biggest problem i have with jumps" 4:30 dude that sounds pretty much like "These jumps cant be bad, because i like them"

[@bananya6020]

bbb

[@PersonManManManMan]

Why hello there

[@divroooooooo]

Thello Hair. wait no I think I did it wro-

[@consatte]

Have you seen new ranking criteria?

[@pishifat]

i helped write the new ranking criteria

[@consatte]

oh.

[@pryoxis5082]

h4ppy LOL

[@asmylia9880]

pishifat wait...new rc's? ;__;

[@no-xi2ty]

Hello there

[@dumteaa]

*HELLO THERE*

[@glimmer3290]

Hey pishi, I watched your video about the Loved category again and I need to ask you a question: You said that in the love category bad maps can included aswell. But when player vote these maps to the loved category, they can't be that bad, cause the players love them and play them.

[@pishifat]

people like my videos but that doesn't make my videos good

[@glimmer3290]

wait what ? then what is defined as good ?

[@pachicore]

RockStyle well just because something was voted for by the community doesn't mean it's good, it's like saying Inferno is the best map because that one 2016 map of the year, while there is definately better maps. People can and will have a shit taste in some thing, sometimes a minority, sometimes a majority, or the system is broken (2016 map of the year).

[@glimmer3290]

ummm, okay

[@cieldaube]

"good" is subjective. that means what you consider as "good" may and will not be "good" for other people as well. "good" is defined as something that, when interacting with a person, makes said person consider that something as aesthetically or technically pleasant. now, what said person defines as good may differ from what another person defines as good as well. everything is subjective and can vary between being "good" and being "bad". that's why loved section mostly has beatmaps that people love but that other people don't really like as well.

[@DeNorKe]

skin please ;-; ?

[@xXRafaPvp]

Maybe a bit late but you can find it in his osu profile

[@Lazuley_]

Mapping streams feel easier to me this shit too complicated man 😭

[@junev2.531]

1-2-1-2

[@JJ-mr5lj]

u should say gud moning, instead of herro there

[@xBoBox333]

Anime version of audiosurf LOL

[@sh1n1pe]

I feel like if you are trying to force a sexy voice :P

[@bananya6020]

FBI OVER HERE

[@Ryanlele]

sexy voice mate

[@faizyusuf2470]

monstrata hate this

[@user-kw8rw2yk4t]

ffffffflow

[@lithium820]

hi pishifat, i think a lot of "well known mappers" are over-theorizing mapping (just like you in some videos). we are at a point where people go "Oh i spaced this not as much even tho it clearly plays shitty. But at least it fits the song". i think thats a bad trend we have developed (not me tho hehe xd)

[@gaiussangma5006]

deetz is an average mapper

[@xDe3tz]

no u

[@imbernell]

+xDe3tz let's be honest, you're good at mapping.

[@screwdrivers6511]

Great video except you repeat yourself a bit much

[@imbernell]

i am the best at jumpz, 1v1 j u m p s o n l y m a p s

[@calebcoble7468]

I don't really like your mapping lol

[@nukmuk]

hello there

[@normalhumanbeing6066]

me too

[@kristers8667]

Hello there

[@ErunamoJazz]

Humans win! (for now... [tun tun tuuuun])

[@DempseyBoss]

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[@gatuu]

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[@TheJor27]

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