osu!mapping: editor efficiency

using monstrata to explain some general concepts about the editor i previously overlooked. will be giving the same treatment to view options fairly soon!
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the editor video: • osu!mapping: the editor
maps referenced:
Rameses B - Beside You (feat. Soundr) by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/1165996
Rameses B - Neon Rainbow (ft. Anna Yvette) by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/961757
Rameses B - Kiss Me by Milan- and pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/761797
Rameses B - Transcend by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/752314
Rameses B - We Love by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/b/974422
RADWIMPS - Zen Zen Zense (movie ver.) by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/513590
AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks - MIIRO vs. Ai no Scenario by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/325158
IAHN - Transform (Original Mix) by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/484689
9mm Parabellum Bullet - Inferno by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/482090
Porter Robinson - Goodbye To A World by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/561131
supercell - The Bravery (TV Edit) by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/308912
Rise Against - Injection by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/503082
supercell - My Dearest (TV Edit) by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/370819
ryo (supercell) feat.chelly - Great Distance by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/741572
ChouCho - Sora to Kimi no Message by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/366070
CHiCO with HoneyWorks - Pride Kakumei by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/756508
supercell - Songs Compilation I by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/746471
BABYMETAL - Road of Resistance by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/399372
supercell - The Bravery by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/278813
MOMOIRO CLOVER Z - SANTA SAN by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/378183
Yumi Arai - Hikouki Gumo (el poco maro DnB EDIT) by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/357161
EYKHA (CV : Sawashiro Miyuki) LOU (CV : Uchida Maaya) MERYL (CV : Terui Haruka) - Delta Decision by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/927487
IAHN - Candy Luv by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/1046487
GRANRODEO - Can Do (TV Size) by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/s/493273
My Chemical Romance - You Know What They Do To Guys Like Us In Prison by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/738679
Asterisk - Finder(Extended Mix) by Monstrata: osu.ppy.sh/b/1117249
ClariS - Hitorigoto TV MIX by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/604486

[@akeigo]

osu!mapping: monstrata

[@vertoHUN]

haha "osu!mapping: editor efficiency" more like "osu!mapping: monstrata"

[@user-ob8vd3tu1u]

I think when you want to develop a subject,you need to use an example for it and make it more understandable for the viewers

[@pachicore]

verto fuck outta here and work on your scorev2 video

[@Kotori--Chan]

this is a parody of monstrata's map CREATED BY MONSTRATA this made my day lmao

[@nitrous1001]

I remembered that one time Monstrata praised my map for aesthetics. Should I feel special?

[@hotgayfurryfeet]

yes

[@Deastrisk]

yes

[@revgd]

yes

[@NicNock]

yes

[@flamey7076]

first video without deetz in it, kinda dissapointed mr. pishifat

[@pixelbyte4886]

or hes cheating find out in the NEXT VIDEO OFFFF PI(S'HASM *RJOIRHJORNJILsdnkl;sdfkl;sdf*

[@ssaturdayss]

Pixelbyte or maybe pishifat has a harem

[@pachicore]

6:50 that mapping though

[@LimeGreenTeknii]

"This sounds a bit obvious" As someone who got a few maps ranked in 2008 (i.e. when anyone could make a ranked map) and has been playing on-and-off since, I've always tried to make regular geometry by using the distance snapper. It got really frustrating when the grid snapper would also make certain perfect shapes impossible, but I never thought to turn off the grid snapper because I thought it would make my map "unrankable." I've recently been playing around with copy-pasting and the polygon maker, but I didn't put 2 and 2 together like this; I didn't realize how useful the scaling tool could be and rotating by 120 degrees for triangles could be either.

[@mombei9835]

All this stuff is really helpful. All we'd need now is a cheat sheet with angles to do different things and scale values to get different effects in the editor.. I might actually compile one myself, uh

[@fancybaguette]

did you do it

[@StanSpk7]

@@fancybaguette it seems like he died in the process

[@boenana-3054]

4:48 just turn on grid snap make a perfect square put the circle in the middle after you're done just rotate the whole thing to whatever angle you want

[@gatogamingonline]

Nice to see even peppy is supporting your videos! I always look forward to seeing these in my subscription feed. Keep up the good work!!!

[@niegth6862]

How about you make a video about the first maps you made and talk about what you did wrong and what you could have done better? ^^

[@thendian2810]

God yes! This video was amazing. Most of the stuff on this channel is easily found out on the forums, but this was advanced and fantastically covered!

[@pixelbyte4886]

The fact that i've been making my triangles the way monstrata did in his early stages scarces me and makes me proud

[@bobbybenny12]

5 years later I still occasionally come back to this video. I find it very useful in almost all of my maps

[@Opblaasmaatje]

pishifat, after I watched your video it has given me an erection like it said it would. but it has been longer than 3 hours. should I inform a doctor? thank you

[@maxplusplusplus]

this vid has been out for an hour how could the boner last for 3 hours

[@maxplusplusplus]

TIMETRAVELING??!!

[@Opblaasmaatje]

Mr. GentlePotato 10 minutes is the equivalent of 1 hour in pishiland

[@ImotionsXD]

Hello! Swedish doctor here. Is it possible you went above the recommended maximum dosage by watching another pishi video two hors prior to the release of this? If so, you should've called a doctor because possible side effects may include but are not limited to: - Perfectly symmetrical genitalia through clever use of the editor. - Getting lightly/very aroused whenever someone says "Hello there".

[@jaakkohintsala2597]

this the most useful video so far for me

[@LydiaFawx]

Very nice video, finally explains some stuff about how to create, not just what to create. I love you

[@katl8825]

this video was mindblowing

[@KnightC0re]

so... which mapper's story is going to be featured in a video next

[@KnightC0re]

didn't that happen last time

[@otesunki]

pishifat

[@Oqwert]

I wish the editor showed angles and spacing between objects without having to click on the notes

[@scrdycat6260]

I find goodbye to a world to be a beautiful map and a beautiful song. Thanks for giving me insight on how it was made, and thank you for all of your tutorials pishifat, I hope to rank my first map within the next year and you're helping me do that with tutorials like this

[@frogg8319]

8:29 i needed this thanks

[@tkilele]

I appreciate you very much!

[@BigDBrian]

I don't think monstrata does all his isometric jumping patterns with copypaste rotate120. A lot of the jumps are actually at different angles than just those of the triangle grid, but the notes still end on the grid. I mean, I guess he could chain those together... This method is also how I do all my star patterns, squares, and triangles, etc. It's nice to see it covered on this channel!

[@zonthem4997]

the most useful video imo :D

[@DacuberTM]

polygon creation tool, then center object at x=256 y=192 is also very common

[@RosieRetro345]

Lust also used isometric grids. For instance, in his Daidai map.

[@paulkim4477]

you should put these videos in a playlist in the order they are best viewed. Just a suggestion

[@Nekomosh004]

6:52 I laugh ALOT here... sometimes I feel Monstrata is doing that but its not due to the patterns HAHAHAHA

[@Tino123645]

Monstrata is a genius.

[@EmiliaHoarfrost]

I would enjoy it like some others if you could do a video about a set of shortcuts to use when mapping. Indeed having to switch between mouse and keyboard is very long, especially for commands such as ctrl+shift+r (though I should perhaps use left shift?)

[@EmiliaHoarfrost]

I like how fucking peppy himself supports you though :o

[@thomasboudier1152]

what the f i just began ous! a few months ago, and i can't believe mappers used so much complicated techniques to do maps

[@Some_Awe]

peppy should add different grids to the editor as well as being able to move the grid somehow

[@Some_Awe]

current ones are all the same grid just different sizes, i meant different shapes like hexagonal or octagonal grids

[@smokeman2645]

this is one of the most important videos you made for any beginners out there. Learn to use the tools given to you!

[@hifumindesu6784]

Hope the editor in lazer would be better in promoting efficiency in mapping. Or probably just better than the current editor in general.

[@bonusben3486]

what do you think about, or rather in what way do you comcider invisible notes (most commonly those that appear under a slider, that are the second ones to be pressed after the slider. so the slider effectively blocks the view on the button.) while mapping? or is it just me that im too dumb to look at whats happening properly?

[@wan2shuffle]

I actually have been mapping like this for awhile, mostly stopped doing it this way a few months ago because it felt limiting. Still bad at mapping though.

[@TehDragonGuy]

Nice video, but I disagree about the polygon creation tool, it's no more inefficient than drawing it by copy-and-pasting and rotating.

[@Akemidayo]

How do you map a star, sorry 😓 (Using hit circles)

[@Nekomosh004]

FINALLY. Monstrata.

[@matt-rq1ck]

I never knew that you could do it THAT way... The sliders... But you still have to eyeball it if you want circles... Which sucks.

[@Jauffre-innit]

perhaps monstrata sets the background as a large isometric pattern then changes it back before he uploads it. Surely that would be easier and more efficient

[@dukeofdoom7503]

didnt even know there was a scaling feature tbh

[@imeverywhere629]

make a video about lesjuh's and val's map, everyone says they were legendary mappers in their times

[@zunv]

i wish i was taken for the mentorship thingy FeelsBadMan

[@pendraggon1773]

Pishifat, i'm trying to make a map like monstrata's as you've shown in this video, but I've hit a wall; when I make sliders, they don't quite fit with the grid, even though it's 1x spacing, you can really only make straight boring sliders, is there something i'm doing wrong?

[@IncompYT]

I'm not sure how to line up slider ends onto the grid, but you can get around this by building off of the slider heads instead

[@Some_Awe]

pishiii i challenge you to stream you making a map, using a text editor only

[@bunshine]

polygon creation tool faster than using the rotation and copypaste lol

[@bunshine]

also this isnt much about editor "efficiency" as it is about monstrata's object placement

[@rieri6231]

Hello there.

[@evananjunli2548]

6:50 made me laugh harder than it should have.

[@YuiraKun]

Sr system next, how come technical maps are low sr etc. How does it work

[@YuiraKun]

I wanna go in depth tho

[@ZeldaMstr109]

8:58 brain go boom

[@Fauzan1812]

aka the monstrata episode

[@12jata79]

comeback zombies

[@fidelcashflow5976]

deetzata

[@MiguelPereira-yw8rg]

Hey pishi does peppy actually support you with patreon or is it just an impersonator?

[@kulsoomr22]

I love your voice

[@Rzra]

Monstrata is triangle guy. Aka Illuminati. Monstrata is Illuminati confirmed

[@faizyusuf2470]

basically ming3016 brother

[@Jakob7539511]

What happened to the intro screen?!?!

[@kilianvo8636]

next episode: blue dragon

[@imbernell]

E F F I C I E N C Y

[@slydoespie]

aren't maps made when a mapper and osu! realy love each other and they want to make a baby map?

[@smau5220]

osu!mapping: How to monstrata

[@tenmamut]

Science

[@mofu5952]

1:51 rip my fc D:

[@ashinsabu]

Monstrata illuminati confirmed (sorry for stale meme but it was relevant)...

[@lavender3427]

i map in this way while my mapping speed is still slow as fuk

[@synilol]

though i think this video provides good insight into creating maps by smartly using editor tricks, i dont really like the negative undertone you give "mapping traditionally". Throughout the video you pretty much said that mapping by hand is "less efficient and worse", that all depends on perspective. What if some mappers do not want every object arranged in a pixel-perfect manner? If every mapper wanted this so desperately, surely we'd see a ton more maps in the same style. It is not the only way to create a good map, rather one of many ways.

[@Opblaasmaatje]

are you going to finish that map?

[@Pullestro]

7:45 VSauce

[@ZeldaMstr109]

0:16 !!!!!

[@Spayyce]

plz enjoy mapping

[@frostwich198]

inferno doesnt use hexgrid much

[@peony6666]

NO! THERE ARE ALSO SPINNERS!

[@collapseLiving]

The Viprin of osu! who understands?

[@Mr.Coincidence]

7:15 alien?

[@kanoaallas1569]

combining sliders 8:00

[@obee58]

thanks now i create a dumb pp map

[@MandrakeGuy]

1:22 why is my name there?

[@novakastmusic]

What the hell, you have to break the game to make a good map...

[@KabiPac]

how to monstrata 101

[@CXuOtaku]

Huh, I always just used the middle of the playfield and using ctrl+h, ctrl+j and rotation when creating slidershapes like stars and hearts and stuff. And I'd add images using storyboards or something if it's complex enough that I want to have an image to trace.

[@iopvixens]

monstrata map: ctrl+c ctrl+v

[@tomasjmr]

9:22 lol

[@Yotanido]

Uhhh... the inaccurate object placement you get from just placing objects is something that has really bothered me. These are some really nice tips, I might try that. Fits my personality a lot better :D Also good to know that Monstrata livestreams mapping. I'll have to check that out

[@lydiamann8836]

I always did square jumps etc. by hand lol

[@illegallllll]

I just -hate- triangles

[@tearstone8231]

Wat.

[@asmylia9880]

osu!mapping: editor efficiency - Kite and DoKito when?

[@craezy5602]

Hello There

[@pladselsker8340]

We. Need. A. Better. Editor.

[@dogechannel872]

monstrata exposed

[@Caesarsal4d]

with your skin you can't snap to the circles you gotta do a mini curve lmao

[@keithdennison6263]

i do not agree with monstrata mapping one bit. the biggest problem that arises from such a strict and pixel-perfect organized style is not having freedom to express the music. monstrata's mapping style is restricted to placing circles in an isometric grid. this kind of mapping has no respect towards the music whatsoever. he solely focuses on creating eye-candy patterns instead of representing the music through creativity and expression in maps. I am not saying that using the editor in the way that pishifat talks about is necessarily bad. it is quite useful and well-fitting in many cases. however, always keep the music in mind when you are mapping. do not fall into the "snap trap." when you build an isometric grid for some objects, you are tempted to further build that grid for more and more objects, which will rob you of your mapping freedom. I speak from experience. anyways, I really thought the slider construction was interesting, that makes things much easier! thank you for your video on editor efficiency, some of the points you made will certainly be helpful for many mappers. cheers.

[@Yotanido]

keep in mind that this is only in Monstrata's first maps. His new ones are a lot freer. And even in those early ones, pishi mentioned that Monstrata deviated from the grid if the song called for it.

[@bartomiejkumor9375]

On the other side, there is nothing worse than playing a map that tries to be over-creative and ends up being a bitch to play, even though it looks good.

[@bananya6020]

yeah, if it were a "grid" id prefer something different even

[@claybermy]

Where's nacht 100 you bo1 gangster

[@Yogii0000]

I'm more at the point where my eyeballing's so good doing shit with commands becomes time consuming and inefficient. Like sometimes I'll draw a slider to be perpendicular or mirrored to another and then rotate/move to check if its off only to find I did it perfectly.

[@maddafakka7783]

better safe than sorry

[@deso2]

nacht 100 on black ops 3?

[@12jata79]

deso :0

[@oxey_]

In Geometry Dash you'd be killed for promoting copypasta lmao

[@ak_nora]

You didn't play Suika this time :^)