osu!mapping: ranking process

[@Oqwert]

social anxiety ---> no maps ranked for ya

[@Noffy]

social anxiety can be a very VERY big roadblock but not impossible to overcome have faith!

[@JennyDarukat]

I believe in y'all - it's a bit awkward to message people sure, but you'll get there. Better make an odd impression than none at all, after all. Still gives you something to work with.

[@gimigkk]

@@JennyDarukat I messaged the first playtester and my heart beat was over the roof while waiting for him to finish playing lmao

[@SmashedTomatoes]

You should do a video on what to pick up out of mods. I have found a wall in which I end up wondering everytime after I get a mod: "Will this suggestion make me a better mapper?" It would seem like the simple answer is "take what you like", but what if it actually makes your maps worse and one does not notice? A lot of modders in the modding queues are not as experienced as others, so that is another problem I find; "How do I know this modder knows what will push my map (and my mapping in general) into being better?" Or if there is a simple answer just comment it.

[@pishifat]

don't think there's a simple answer. not sure if there's an answer at all, since it depends a lot on a map's context. i'll be thinking about it though since you're completely right about it being hard to understand

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

In the meantime, I think one (potential) metric you could go on is the modder's level of experience. I think it's okay to be a bit meritocratic with your judgments: if a modder gives you a list of suggestions and this modder also happens to have a ranked map or two, or a lot of total kudosu!, then you could give his suggestions a bit more weight to them. If, however, your modder has only ever made one mapset and has a total of 6 kudosu! earned, then you may be a bit freer to take his suggestions with a grain of salt. That's not to say that experienced mappers always give good advice or new mappers always give bad advice, but if you're on the edge of a particular suggestion and you have nothing else to base it on and you have no real reason to refute that other than gut feeling, then looking at their experience might be the best way to go.

[@rieri6231]

1. become bn 2. circlejerk

[@ImotionsXD]

Beautiful, simply beautiful. Become a BN and exploit the flawed system

[@cellybun]

uuuh sorry but what are those "bubbles" you keep talking about?

[@pishifat]

someone needs to make a video about those

[@ArtemisPlaysGamez]

COUGH COUGH COUGH COUGH

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

I've been trying to rigorously improve my mapping skills for well over a year now (although the deliberate amount of _time_ I've spent actually mapping is probably pretty short relatively speaking, as evidenced by my total kudosu count still being under 50) and yeah...it's been nothing but a jungle of weeds from beginning to end. I still have no idea how close I am to being able to get a map ranked because in the past, every time I thought I did everything right, there was some major thematic problem that I had that would take me a lot of practice to internalize and remedy. If most others felt the same way I did when they were beginning their mapping careers, then _man_, this is a hostile process for newbies. I definitely agree with your opinions on speedmapping: let the good mappers make their maps and get them to ranked quickly. Let the BN's and experienced mappers focus their efforts on getting the newbies up to speed. I want to see more maps promoted to ranked; I want to see more players grow interested in mapping; I want to see interesting songs be given high quality beatmaps. And one way to do that is to make mapping more approachable and individual level of progress more clear.

[@jiysea]

Arbitrary Renaissance they increased so much standard where osu players dropped. This is supposed to be the best rhythm game

[@huuishuu]

I am one of those mappers that maps for graveyard because the ranking process is too daunting for me because of the social favoritism and time consumption. When I finish a map, I usually just want to move on and make something new than to polish whatever turd I shit out. This is why I believe I'll never get a map ranked. I don't have the time or patience to waste it on "improving" my map and "getting myself known", it just seems like a waste of time to me.

[@den0saur]

dont worry, there is nothing wrong with it. i do both, but usually i dont do anything with a map after i finish it. i just move on too.

[@markysharky246]

I just map for graveyard cause I don't know how to map properly yet

[@oscarrickyh02]

i'm actually totally lucky new mapper, a bn whose i asked for help tell me my map was fun

[@Frugelel]

do you mean Algorithm, right? One of my favorite maps^^ still trying first S

[@NO122221]

Step 1. Know ppl with authority and connections Step 2. ??? Step 3. Profit

[@FinalFragment1]

correct me if im wrong but is this the guy from the tutorial?

[@TheOnetzi]

tldr; if youre a new mapper, youre screwed, give up

[@markysharky246]

Lmao

[@hifumindesu6784]

Got it.

[@silverboxxer]

make pp map, or map shitty song that bn will like so they help you. literally no other way to get attention if you are new

[@ArtemisPlaysGamez]

lmao when i try to make a map, my timing is pure shit. i suck at timing a map tbh

[@TheFel0x]

NEVER!

[@ErunamoJazz]

Mapping could be funny, but ranking a map is just a pain.

[@fatalmb1470]

Lol

[@meodio7334]

1:00 background music would be appreciated, I feel like I have heard it before but can't remember the name. Help please (It's heard again in 5:07)

[@pishifat]

song info is on screen at that timestamp

[@meodio7334]

I'm either retarded or it is not the same song

[@meodio7334]

Found it, it's Delusion Express, not the one on screen

[@TruTrolldier]

Pishifat, considering you like Call of Duty zombies, have you tried Killing Floor 2?

[@BarniHedgeturtle]

Hey pishifat, can you make an example video of "how to mod", or perhaps what to check out for in maps in general (when modding). Since I'm not a good mapper (nor a good modder), I thought modding would be a good start. But I don't really have anything to say. When I play a map, I can feel that some parts are bad, some are good, but I can't exactly tell them to remap whole sections of songs. Or can I?

[@TruTrolldier]

BarniHedgeturtle he did

[@lowchuabeng5101]

Is it possible for there to be a forum for new mappers? (Like those with less than 5 ranked maps or something) I think it will really help encourage new players to map if they are given special attention, and it can probably also help new mappers overcome the problem of being unable to find mods or being unfamiliar with the ranking process and stuff.

[@joobels2712]

I use exclusively your descriptions to find new maps.

[@Nekomosh004]

hi pishi~... if you don't mind, can you talk about this thingy called "naming convention copyrights" (or something like that,.. seriously i don't know how they call that) in mapping... i'm just confused why there were some mappers tells other mappers to stop using a specific 'difficulty name' because they're the one who 'currently have exclusive rights' for those difficulty names... :3 Thanks! :D

[@EssentialGamer21]

please tell me the bubble pop option is coming back in one way or another

[@mindmaster_osu]

Taikocracy If a map is DQed, it will be wiped of its nominations. I assume bns however understand they are semi-permanent, and will only nominate with this in mind.

[@EssentialGamer21]

you can assume so, however it may not necessarily be the case; i think the pop is an extremely important part of the process, and the fact that modding v2 doesn't support it is rather alarming to me as a bn

[@ren8819]

Actually yea I agree that pop is extremely important, I mean it will increase the map quality first before it goes to the next part of nomination.

[@highdollar2392]

Just noticed - A map that has been using modv2 don't have a bubble icon when looking at the regular beatmap forum threads in pending (I know this because I have 1 nominated) - While I don't think this as much of a problem, but this also means a beatmap doesn't really get much exposure until it gets qualified (It doesn't show a bubble notification in discord either like others maps when I was on there) - Either way the mapper still has to search for a bn regardless - but I feel the need to say that the map needs a way to let people know it actually has been nominated in case if it isn't ready, may get a bn to look at it, more possible feedback, etc (that why it is bubble in the 1st place instead of automatically qualified right?) - A simple fix atm would be just show that it got bubble on regular beatmap forums until a later fix has been made

[@finality4114]

In modding v2 you can't pop a bubble, so you have to qualify map and then disqualify?

[@grimrapper5202]

Step 1: Find a mod for your map (either by the unexperienced modder which later won't be accepted by certain BN, or find an experienced modder forum and getting unhealthy competition with other good mapper) Step 2: Find a BN that have interest of your map (either making your map PP farm or unique, don't even try) Step 3: The Waiting Game (Filling up the "Hype Train", and preparing for the "quality opinion" from the higher position [either by other BN or QAT] that ask either objective feedback or just plain stupid) ...great system, no wonder there's so many PP maps that leads to the PP inflation

[@ariankagrand4467]

I really want to map pierce the veil's "Dive In", but it misses the marathon cut off BY 8 SECONDS. I could have someone do a guest diff, but I don't know how to add on a guest diff lol.

[@tobufi]

do you mind if you could make a skinning tutorial? There had been no recently made video explaining it.

[@dreaisayshi4995]

@epiphany what do you mean? just because pishi does mapping doesnt mean that he isnt allowed to do anything else? anyways, i haven't actually seen any updated tutorial about this too.

[@TheCodingNina]

Skinning is quite easy to do: NOTE: If unclear, reference this site: osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Skinning/Tutorial step 1: Browse to Skins folder. (Somewhere like "\AppData\Local\osu!\Skins"). step 2: Create new folder. step 3: Name whatever you like. step 4: Open Paint. step 5: Draw circle. step 6: Save to previously created folder. step 7: Open any text editor program. step 8: Search the internet for "osu skin.ini". Or use this link: osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Skinning/skin.ini step 9: Copy required info for skins to the text editor. (I believe only: name, author, version are required. Could be wrong) step 10: Save text file as "skin.ini" and make sure it saves with extension ".ini" not ".txt" step 11: Start/Restart Osu! step 12: Select new skin via the Options menu under the header Skins. step (lucky) 13: PROFIT! *FYI replace step 4 and 5 with professional skin steps for better profit ;P

[@colmm7106]

maybe do a video on people making maps only out of hitsounds and a soft beat in the background?

[@Vadosity]

map at 3:59? The description doesn't list it for some reason

[@pizzarella985]

oh you know my map looks even better graveyarded i guess :)

[@ArcticWolfOfficial]

So, I can't rank my map then?

[@yukariyoshisaki6333]

whats the map at 9:00 ? i'd take it from the description but its not in there

[@TheFel0x]

Did the bubbles get replaced by the nominations? Because the way I unterstand it they are pretty much the same thing. I'm struggling to fully unterstand the ranking process but I'm giving my best. If I am correct then I'd assume the star priority is now the hype system. Edit: I'm correct. Damn it's hard to understand that stuff when you read outdated guides for the most time.

[@AnoNym-kf5ki]

So the old ranking process has been replaced by the new version entirely now?

[@TheFel0x]

@@AnoNym-kf5ki As far as I know yes. But I'm very new to this so I'm not sure.

[@squidgrill]

Ano Nym Pretty much.

[@youneedsomefruits]

I’m requesting modding but I get no feedback on the map don’t kno wtf is going on

[@ZeldaMstr109]

9:55 and then there's Hollow who doesn't care. lmao

[@coaster-dl1we]

Hey, how do I commission my beatmap? Please respond there are no videos showing of it! ):

[@GohgoDerp]

ive wanted to map stuff and always knew it was hard but the more i watch stuff like this, the closer i get to giving up forever and just mapping for fun, not for rank. even tho if i did that, it would get absolutely 0 exposure because "who the fuck is this shit mapper called Gohgo" ;_;

[@sohappy3022]

Gohgo omg dude I feel you so much right now ;_; thats what I thought too tbh

[@ArtemisPlaysGamez]

lol... fair enough , i can understand

[@DuckRadioOsu]

How long did you guys take to get your first ranked map (if you got at least one map ranked)? And what I ask includes also time spent learning to map

[@frost-fg8yu]

took me a year to get to the point where i first got ranked. how long did it take the map to get ranked? the time difference between the first mod i got on that map and when it got qualified was 1 month and 16 days. so it took about 1.5 months after the map was finished to get it ranked.

[@DuckRadioOsu]

IIFrosTII Oh ok, because i really wish to get on of my maps ranked but im still learning to map and i always end up not finishing every map i start, but i can see the improvement, hopefully i will make a map one day worthy of being ranked :3

[@highdollar2392]

It took me about a approximatively 6 months and while I got my 1st rank map in 2 months. - It all really depends on the person itself in this case - others learn quick, others learn slower, but in the end, we all can improve. GL trying to get your 1st map rank ^^

[@DuckRadioOsu]

Miss Lucky Bear Thanks :3

[@wozza_dev]

I already know about the ranking process but I'm watching this anyway

[@peachy7776]

can someone please tell me what the bot is that shows the ranked/bubbled maps?

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

Peachy NezirBot

[@PedroCosta-vu5iv]

that captin1 map needs more love

[@XXneatfreakXX]

I swear I will rank at least one map before I die.

[@willstoll326]

Getting your map ranked is impossible with the tens of thousands of maps

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

"Constructive feedback should be better indicator of readiness for rank, not just people saying, 'I like the map'." Doesn't this go completely contrary to your views on speedmapping? If experienced mappers can make a map that people like right from the get-go, then shouldn't that be an indicator that it's ready for ranking, even though no constructive feedback is given? What the hype train seems to do is make it so that modders decide themselves if they think a map is ready to get pushed closer to ranked, rather than having a mod de facto increase star priority. If you're modding a map, you don't need to increase the hype train and can only give constructive feedback. Alternatively, if you don't see any major problems with the map and it all looks good to you, then you can throw a praise their way without any mods. It seems like this helps absolve the issues that you've had with the allocation of modders during the feedback process.

[@Ramelrammu]

then what happened to snow drive ;-;

[@cruzneto0]

You didn't mentioned how veto works I think.

[@lomarix]

is that different in other osu servers?

[@jesus_t]

3:32 MY FUCKING MAIGO MAP MANAGED TO APPEAR ON A PISHIFAT VIDEO :D

[@castin5244]

This is kind of fucking insane.

[@Awesome_Aasim]

12 hypes to 5 hypes now.

[@ilya2468]

How long must the map be in order for it to be ranked?

[@coldfin]

above 30 secs i guess

[@TheCliptree]

OMG never move a big wall of text that fast ever again. It hurts my eyes trying to read it.

[@dawidnowak4751]

Woah, whot are those? 0:00 :o

[@sadfacekira]

What does the flame icon mean? Bubble and Heart are understandable, but what does the 🔥 mean? (Grüße gehen raus an Living Flower owo)

[@pishifat]

nothing anymore

[@MultiLuckyNick]

I'm sure he went over that topic in his video regarding the difference between Approved and Ranked & Approved

[@asmylia9880]

mgmn nani the fuck!? owo

[@sleepy33333]

the flame icon was for old very hard or just longer than 5 min. maps ~ thats.. the short version at least.

[@sadfacekira]

しろ Thanks c:

[@goinkosu]

the ranking process is

[@ZeldaMstr109]

all aboard the hype train everyone..

[@CharlesHydronium]

This is why I like skinning more than mapping. 1. Make the skin (Song Selection, Ranking Screen, at least 1 Mode) 2. Make a forum post 3. Done

[@hikaenism]

we need more ranked maps i dont really understand the problem with the new method A lot of people have fun by playing for pp and competing with others More ranked maps will just make people have more fun

[@mazli1001]

My map don't get attention...

[@NO122221]

try getting it through your friends, or, map somethin osu community absolutely loves, that being k-pop/kawai garbage/anime op(TV SIZE, not full song!!!!! that's really important. everyone wants pp, while listening to the song they had heard in anime they like)/DnB map with tons of triples and pentastreams

[@MaeaCh]

ah yes the good ol new osu website

[@basiics]

General Kenobi

[@lithium820]

imagine if people stopped being subjective and instead try to be objective when it comes to anything thats not a normal conversation.

[@spicyjalapeno4077]

the ranking process is hard

[@Oqwert]

helo ther mr pishi

[@ArchdukePSN]

Whats the point of osu?

[@nonenonetoyou9770]

they will never chose a map that is in Slavic type of language big middle finger to them

[@deso2]

rank nacht 100

[@mikeybraps2705]

dab

[@Spayyce]

Hype train isnt good when your maps are boring smh 😭😭🍆💯💯

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

gr8 b8 I think with the hype train, the stigma will be to give a praise comment if you find the map rankable. It will probably end up being considered rude not to give one.

[@Ryan-ju3fl]

HI HERE

[@NO122221]

Ranking is damn messy garbage.