osu!mapping: "wub" maps

talking about how i've seen the growth of maps for songs of a few similar music genres and how they're designed
forgive the title
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survey: docs.google.com/forms/d/1RXvI...
maps referenced:
Camellia - flying in the flow of deep-sea by -kevincela-: osu.ppy.sh/s/347898
Camellia - Enantiomorphs by -kevincela-: osu.ppy.sh/s/479108
Camellia - PLANET//SHAPER by various mappers: osu.ppy.sh/b/765525
USAO - Night sky by -kevincela-: osu.ppy.sh/b/863543
Camellia - dreamless wanderer by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/b/646609
La Cataline - Helical (remix) by La Cataline: osu.ppy.sh/b/256892
Camellia - Drumstep4 by Nathan
False Noise - Skyshards by Shiirn: osu.ppy.sh/s/606995
Warak - REANIMATE by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/b/495541
MYTK - Yggdrasil by Nakagawa-Kanon: osu.ppy.sh/b/346653
TRakker - Rootus by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/b/389348
Function Phantom - Neuronecia by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/b/541990
Camellia - Exit This Earth's Atomosphere by rrtyui: osu.ppy.sh/b/1114721
yuigot - OPENINGGG(I WANNA BE A GENIUS MONKEY) by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/594879
Eagle - S!ck by tsuka: osu.ppy.sh/b/231675
Feint - We Won't Be Alone (feat. Laura Brehm) by Fort: osu.ppy.sh/s/399328
Tsunamaru - Daidai Genome by Lust: osu.ppy.sh/b/519080
Function Phantom - Algebra by Bonzi: osu.ppy.sh/b/673275
AKINO from bless4 - MIIRO by Asphyxia: osu.ppy.sh/b/601405
Dirty Androids - City Never Sleeps by Frey: osu.ppy.sh/b/542996
KOAN Sound & Asa - Tetsuo's Redemption (Billain Remix) by handsome: osu.ppy.sh/b/779964
Akira Complex - Odyssey (Au5 Remix) by ProfessionalBox: osu.ppy.sh/b/754143
Reol - Minazoko Yuuhodou by Nerova Riuz GX: osu.ppy.sh/s/396242
Camellia - flying in the flow of deep-sea by byfar: osu.ppy.sh/s/348597
Camellia - Racemization by Nathan: osu.ppy.sh/b/804021
Camellia - flying in the flow of deep-sea by handsome: osu.ppy.sh/s/347556
Camellia - Why do you hate me? by Nerova Riuz GX: osu.ppy.sh/s/355788
Rawtekk - Amber's Love Was Like A Marble (Billain Remix) by byfar: osu.ppy.sh/b/896430
Billain - Boogie by various mappers: osu.ppy.sh/b/966177
USAO - Chrono Diver PENDULUMs (USAO remix) by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/s/414448
USAO - Showdown by Hikaru Rose: osu.ppy.sh/b/959194
Chitose Haru & Kumagai Eri - Perfect Free by RLC & Nathan: osu.ppy.sh/b/990325
TRakker - Rootus by tsuka
Camellia - crystallized by handsome & Smoothie World: osu.ppy.sh/s/399151
Maeda Jun x Yanaginagi - Muteki no Soldier by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/s/603638

[@Lud5]

pishifat: "wub" maps me: oh you mean camellia maps

[@leikoxo]

i was just going to type this

[@Hopeofdespair]

t+pazolite?

[@VerkoAviarhidea]

bassu dorappu

[@lotus_violet]

YUC'e

[@randominaaaaaaaaaa]

@@Hopeofdespair If it comes to roBeats it would be Demonic Jelly

[@KazukiP]

They year is 2008, Osu players are in love with night core, slow approach rates and small hit circles, they like tapping in time to the vocals rather than the song *loud bang* *all players turn around* It’s A-L-I-E-N everyone stares in shock “H-h-how do you p-play this???” One mutters A-L-I-E-N stares into their soul, picks them up… and rips their head open The Osu players scream, running away with their night core and vocaloid music 2star maps. “SOMEBODY SAVE US”, they all scream The horror spreads as the entire world because to scream

[@grimrapper5202]

"this guy knows what's going on"

[@pishifat]

F L

[@vaarka7534]

rrtyui :(

[@hamizannaruto]

:(

[@SabakutaniRema]

glad and surprised to see tsuka's rootus since it was deleted years ago and the map that inspired me the most and brought me to a new world entirely. while it's true that a lot of mappers after one point were heavily inspired by me, i honestly never thought that i was the 'origin' of this whole wub mapping category. as most of you may have already known, there were already a bunch of mappers trying to figure this kind of maps out in 2013~2014, most of them are actually where my inspiration came from. without their creations, i would've never been able to make maps like neuronecia and dreamless wanderer. i may be the one to start the trend, but i've never been the 'creator'.

[@chainpullz]

I thought RLC was the only mapper to ever map Rootus. :^)

[@mmelloe]

dreamless wanderer is a masterpiece even today controlled without being boring exciting without being extreme subtle without being obscure maps nowadays are harder, with more intricate structure, some with more stylized sliders but they are rarely more balanced, and never more beautiful in my opinion

[@chari6471]

i don't have a lot to thank this game for but i will give it credit for introducing me to camellia because his music is really, really fucking good

[@neolulubeats]

Steph fuck yes Camellia RULES

[@iLiokardo]

Steph Listening to Camellia - WHAT THE CAT is like orgasm

[@Renaylria]

Flower of Wilderness

[@sebek64]

same with nhato tbh, he's the best producer i've seen on osu right next to camellia

[@MrNigel117]

this game introduced me to Camellia, Porter Robinson, Reol, S3RL, DM DOKURO, Panda Eyes, and more. Plus it's one of the best rhythm games I've played.

[@ConspoLopes]

i thought this was about old maps because wub=wubwoofwolf=old maps

[@oba1637]

same

[@KazukiP]

conspo Lopes SAME

[@arbi9506]

conspo Lopes same

[@aaron3157]

Could you to a vid incorporating A-L-I-E-N? It sparked a lot of controversy and I'd love to see a tried-and-true mapper to give their thoughts on it. Love your stuff

[@backupp5341]

Aaron he did

[@ARandomGuy]

now

*TECHNICAL MAPS*

[@kalin328]

Well interesting video, but in part I was disappointed not to show Hanzer's map (Nhato - Miss you) and Nold_1702's map (Meg & Dia - Monster (DotEXE Remix)). These maps that I quoted take very much these technical map concepts.

[@pishifat]

they'll get time in the spotlight at some point too dw

[@hootiehoo3000]

My favorite type of maps ❤️

[@SydOwO]

Who thought about "WubWoofWolf maps"

[@teleblister]

me :v

[@NekoTet]

Me.

[@oba1637]

me

[@bigboomer5575]

wubwubwolf you id

[@knnazkaz]

Me :v

[@phoenix-hv6dz]

I love the name that you gave them, let's call them wub maps from now on

[@waynecrls]

john matthews they've already been called wub maps

[@somedudethatdoesthings8057]

You will NEVER have nothing to talk about, and if it sounds boring, you make it really interesting!

[@cavemann_]

I wanted to create a beatmap but after seeing this video I am not motivated any more... xd

[@iLiokardo]

MrKrejzol ᴴᴰ Just map!!!

[@bluerinako]

cool

[@OfLastingThunder]

Yeah, he's got a whole series of "mapping" videos and not a single one teaching us how to map anything. Lmao

[@bluerinako]

da leezard yo dipshit try actually experimenting and learning from trial and error

[@combatbenyamin]

You can just "learn" mapping. You just do it. Unless you mean a step by step guide where you can literally just copy and paste what he did and call it a map lol

[@AyumiWakahisa]

I wish there were more maps mapped like Worldwide Choppers or Kokou no Sousei rather than more sliderheavy techmaps. While they can be fun every now and then, playing maps like Amber's Love or some Pho maps or Camellia maps can get boring really fast. You can't even multi right now because those are the kind of maps everybody picks (aside from pp-maps) Well, atleast it seems to me that the style used in Worldwide Choppers / Saten-maps isn't really be used anywhere else (anymore). I wonder if people just find it too one-dimensional or if it's just outdated, or both.

[@zoruauser]

Combination of both. The style you're thinking of is very limited in rhythm and ideas, so most mappers stopped doing that.

[@zoruauser]

hiyuumi how does that disprove my point lol.

[@Yogii0000]

been waiting for this

[@AndrewRKenny]

Hey I kinda made it into a pishifat video (I'm the guy who made the /r/osugame survey)! And in a video about my fav maps too! :D

[@WangleLine]

I was waiting just for this :D

[@sebek64]

Damn, what a coincidence, i was just watching another video from that channel and this popped up in my recommendations.

[@InvoRL]

Pishifat: Skystar used good mapping and unique slider styles to expre..... Skystar: Yeah.... I totally meant to do all that.

[@Outlin.e]

I'm not that big of a fan of having sliders represent sounds instead of sections of songs. They tend to make maps a lot more technical, sometimes needlessly.

[@artificiallightk]

I really love "wub" maps that said, they're interesting to play I think

[@chaoticneutral1090]

ambers love and boogie are both so goooood

[@imeverywhere629]

pishis may i give you some Streetlight manifesto's song suggestions for you to map? I love the way you map ska punk (you can also make a video about this genre of music, high bpm jazz/blues/sax music) I'd like to see your "Somewhere in the between" BM turn into a BMS. I'd also would like to see your way to map "We will fall together", "Point-counterpoint" and "Down down down to mephisto's cafe" It would also be interesting a map made with a Toh Kay song

[@silverboxxer]

I was surprised to not hear any mention of the 2013 Foreverends map for Imma Try It Out. That was the first ranked map I can remember using very strong "wub" elements. Do you think it has any place in this timeline regarding osu wub maps?

[@iKn-ft2bc]

how to map the drums on the start of the slider only? i realy want to map.but there are so MANY small questions.. like.. - how do i make sliders that change speed WHILE sliding.. like in aspire.(i dont mean slider speed change) - how do i switch slider heads? like if i want a complex slider but in reverse

[@Nerova]

Did you just assume the pronunciation of rrtyui's name

[@pishifat]

i am proficient in keyboard spam pronunciation, do not second guess

[@lolaecans583]

pishifat *second guesses

[@normalhumanbeing6066]

Its pronounced "ruruchi" but spelt rrtyui

[@seselis1]

Hey, pishi, even tho I've watched your 'aesthetics' video a ton of times, it still seems I can't get it even though I use symmetry and geometry (and figures, and blankets, and repetition, and etc). Could you make another video about aesthetics (like how to represent music in aesthetic way)?

[@Queddred]

I don't even map, sometimes I find myself not paying attention to your videos. But I still keep watching all of them //

[@zortman9128]

Could you make a video about the star rating system? Love your vids

[@user-ii5yl7dy6o]

hey pishi, i know you did a video on aesthetics already but i was really wondering if you could go into more detail about what actually makes a map look. well... good? its just something that i cant seem to understand no matter how hard I try, and it seems unbelievably complex for a noobie mapper like myself, i would rly appreciate it uwu

[@mohzmagdy]

I always feel motivated to map more after the weekly dose of hello there

[@mrpickle6290]

DUDE I JUST REALISED YOUR KEY PRESSES ARE VERY SIMILAR TO MINE HOLEY SHIIITTTT. LIKE NO SINGLE TAPS.

[@crzvisuals]

you should do a vid about old mapping cause i thought the title meant www maps lmao

[@MaybeMysticc]

they're so satisfying to hit too :D

[@norikitsune]

I DONT SEE PEPPY'S NAME ON END SCREEN PEPPY U BETRAYED ME

[@nurielkaunaini2584]

4:52 yeaa he knew...

[@phaZZi6461]

8:02 triggered me, it has been around for far longer xD

[@salty7416]

maybe video about low bpm songs? I would like to see video how to map them in interesting way instead making of 'normal' mapping, so they're still challenging and fun to play, like for example highest diff of Ooedo Ranvu

[@commentator3513]

Solniczga that's mapped at 268bpm lol

[@salty7416]

Commentator well, it's mapped differently than a song which have originally 268 bpm

[@commentator3513]

it's an alt map

[@shiine3766]

AGRESSIVE WUBS

[@FLarezzedits]

If we didn't have wub maps i highly doubt i would still be playing

[@mathiaszanotto7287]

Round 100 on... Nacht... Gone, but never forgotten 👊✌️

[@hacccchan]

do a video on Hollow Wing's notch hell lol

[@KnoIIs]

rip pishizor

[@pierop1805]

BOOGIE

[@katl8825]

would you ever make a video about non-rankable techniques, like 2B?

[@ScubDomino]

aspire

[@ElMustaccio]

will you map anything from rise against's new album? I'm dying for more edgy music on osu

[@pishifat]

not planning on it

[@ElMustaccio]

oh ok thanks for responding

[@rodrigochayamiti9198]

no link for the drumstep4 map? ;-;

[@sniftys]

CAMELLIA FEATURED ARTIST WHEN

[@ARandomGuy]

Just something: dreamless wanderer is a collab

[@Prod.BM7]

Its called technical

[@fkeyzuwu]

FUCK YEA

[@MrJoezapyofrulers]

hey can you lend me some mapping motivation thanks

[@pickleman6239]

Gud vid

[@evermythic9480]

Camellia is a beast when it comes to edm and his tracks are perfect for osu not for all though

[@haen2556]

You could've just explain "wub maps", by "actually not overweightet maps". Works

[@haxt97]

dreamless wanderer by skystar is the best map in the game

[@Bloonskiller]

Wub

[@NevoPlaysGames]

wub wub

[@raziffawzi]

pishifat

[@bigboi0081]

So sad that this video was made before exit this earths atmosphere

[@KazukiP]

Take a shot every time pishifat says “wub”

[@titiurbina4005]

i think that with this kind of maps, you have to play it like one hundred times to fc them, and that's why i don't like it when people put them on the multiplayer. I just collapse c: (they are good maps tho)

[@adrielaronhamonangan1510]

RLC! RLC! RLC!

[@TarraskyPiano]

nold was tried used something like that in skrillex maps since 2012, Hanzer have mapped Miss You months after skystar map and ranked too being the point of discussion about spacing and sliderspeed and you said Skystar was the origin of that?

[@andew3873]

skystar's the one that garnered tech maps' popularity. the critical response for nold and hanzer were very divided when they released their maps

[@xdominik20]

To be honest even today Miss You is very controvencial map with a lot of players disliking it (personal observeration when I picked it few times in multi lobby)

[@sabudo1579]

tldr god bless skystar

[@XDerbyX]

what about osu!mania wub

[@tealsekai]

fanzhen0019 our god

[@tearstone8231]

wub

[@AlexyaSchubert]

Ah, Hello there!

[@pants7214]

Tech?

[@NeeshkaLover]

TSUKA APPRECIATION CLUB

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

Hey pishi would you mind adding timestamps for the maps mentioned in your videos? It'd be really appreciated. For example I got really interested in the map shown at 9:21 but can't for the life of me figure out which one it is out of the huge list in the description.

[@andew3873]

that map is osu.ppy.sh/b/779964

[@erickschusterdeoliveira2662]

andrew han holy shit, thanks a lot dude

[@roar3807]

comeback to zombies...

[@kolja783]

hanzer is not in plz come again

[@hypercyte]

*WUB WUB*

[@Yogistyle7]

[@izikblu]

Hewub

[@l1mi13]

The day the age of wub wub dies and get replaced by something else cant come soon enough. There is exceptions but most of the time it just feel too random.

[@csar630]

Too many Camellia

[@Dylan-mx3tb]

drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub drum wub

[@kre69420]

H E L L O T H E R E

[@IonJ]

hey guys so skystar

[@DCTrain]

WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB

[@glimmer3290]

1:40 umm the map is from Amamiya Yuko...

[@magn3ta]

Skystar's nickname was "Amamiya Yuko" in past

[@waynecrls]

RockStyle which is skystar

[@glimmer3290]

ouhhh okay thanks

[@ezequielmelogno6061]

_h e l l o t h e r e_

[@Attewir]

Whoa, skystar, not Priti? TIL

[@xdominik20]

Skystar was person that made "wub" maps popular , priti has his own style and he just followed the flow but I even wouldn't call him wub but technical mapper . On the side note I would say that first persons to introduce technical maps to osu are most likely Tsuka/Tsukamete and NatsumeRin (kinda) I would advice to check their maps

[@Queddred]

hi

[@glimmer3290]

the graph says that players don't like slider heavy technical maps, so why are you saying they are popular ?

[@drsenseihugo]

RockStyle Because theyre hard, and players like hard maps.

[@neolulubeats]

because they're known in the community? they're popular because a lot of people known them lmfao not because they like it

[@asmylia9880]

RockStyle it's the same as with Justin Bieber, although the majority doesn't like him, he's popular.

[@Kamekification]

if you're talking about the reddit survey graph - 4 was the highest grade you could give, which meant "I really like this", if I recall correctly

[@glimmer3290]

that clears it thanks

[@infinite_cows]

1:52 Calling a slider velocity "vast" is kind of strange considering that the variable is one-dimensional. It in no way detracts from what you're trying to communicate, I just found it a little awkward. EDIT: In hindsight, you probably said "fast" and just slurred the "f" into more of a "v". That makes much more sense.

[@infinite_cows]

It wouldn't be incorrect, but just a little strange. I don't mean to complain, it's just something I noticed and felt like I wanted to share for some reason.

[@deso2]

the 100 of nacht

[@pishifat]

.

[@karlbjorn1831]

giraffe

[@kia_rah]

i wub maps

[@tarragon112]

um akshually its called “tech” 🤓

[@zlidyh5]

Meikaruza style :(

[@SgtSuissie]

:unamused:

[@barddz4646]

Dat strat >>> osu

[@insertname4091]

2 years scarlet rose?

[@bananya6020]

idk lmao

[@Herbayse]

hanzer did it first