Lessons in Magecraft 11 - The Holy Church

In this series, I go over the various aspects of magecraft lore in the Fate and Type Moon universe. This time, I speak of the Holy Church and its twisted hypocrisy.
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[@otakudaikun]

In truth, the Holy Church must have access to a true magic that lets 'em use their black keys to corrupt the gacha.

[@jacek107ify]

beside gacha ;D In Notes angels were products of counter force (Gaya side). Maybe abrahamic God is part of counter force and simply forces people to be obedient to nature??

[@hydrasfang]

For me it's always heavily leaned towards Craft Essences not Heroic Spirits sadly.

[@Lemuel928]

Despite this is Kirei Kotomine’s very own territory advantage.

[@darylchiu9030]

And everytime a Master gets Black Keys and Kirei CEs, a new Gudako sprouts forth. 🙃

[@lenleon3699]

@@jacek107ify Actually it is assumed that the God the saints heard were Alaya sending them visions to push them as agents of the Counterforce. Jeanne can’t deny this in Extella Link, if I recall one of her scenes.

[@EVERYWHERE_MAN]

_In the Fate series these holy church aren’t really so _*_Holy_*

[@einsofjehohazabraham5957]

Since when any church was holy

[@dale7326]

Holy is like an expression, has no meaning wise. It’s the mood.

[@devynmalu]

Most Anime churches suck

[@arks_knights]

In real life there was a story about a bunch sisters from the church showing no mercy to orphans and torturing them

[@aminebachir3394]

From what I know, it's not actually a religious organization, and it's just vaguely affiliated with the actual Christian church because Japan thinks it's mysterious and cool, just like Evangelion 😂

[@r4nd7r04d5]

Dude, I thought it was lame af too. However, I began dating a girl that had studied theology, and some of the stuff she talked about really made me feel curious about Christian myths, cosmology and whatnot. Whenever you have nothing to do, listen to some videos talking about the apocryphal gospels, Judas' gospel, the keys of Solomon, theories about Earth being created by a lesser god (that's why he was bad in the OT) and then a greater god sending Jesus as his son (that's why the NT overwrites most of the OTs teachings and traditions), the nephilim (even Gilgamesh is mentioned in some texts as one of the nephilim). It may have no religious value to you, but as lore, it's interesting to know that there are more things than Adam, Eve, sudden pregnancy and the cross. Most Catholic priests know and deeply study stuff like that, but don't share it with random people in order to not make the followers doubt their faiths. Even my then gf was reluctant to talk about stuff like that.

[@vitoaditya1243]

@@r4nd7r04d5from what i know in very ancient israelite belief nephilim actually Is demi God, son of El who have kid with Human , Yes Gilgamesh is Nephilim because he is half god half human, but after Israel contact with Zoroastrianism and adopt angel idea nephilim become half human half angel, and now nephilim become giant.

[@vitoaditya1243]

@@r4nd7r04d5 Ancient Israel shared the same mythical stories with its surroundings, you can still see traces of it in the Bible.

[@emanresuesrever9840]

@@r4nd7r04d5 That's not Christianity. That is gnosticism. No Christian believes that the OT and NT depict different gods. There are multiple times in the OT where God shows grace as well as parts in the NT that depict His justice. As for the part about Jesus allegedly overwriting the OT's teachings and traditions, Matthew 5:17-18. There's more depth to that than Him just "overwriting" Mosaic law.

[@charge8039]

The Holy Church in the Nasuverse seems to be an amalgamation of many different Christian denominations, at least from a doctrinal perspective. While in the lore, the Holy Church is more affiliated with the Catholic Church, their priests seem more akin to Protestant ministers than actual Catholic priests (can’t marry). Moreover, the 8th sacrament is more like doctrine than an actual sacrament, which are sacred rituals. Besides, it’s actually heresy to add sacraments to the original 7 since they need to come directly from Jesus. In real life, the organization of the Catholic Church is far more complicated than what’s shown on media. Besides the priestly hierarchy, there’s the many religious orders with their own organizations, the council of bishops present in any country where Catholicism is prominent, and the 25 other smaller Catholic denominations that act under yet somewhat independent of the central Catholic Church.

[@TheDragonsPit]

Keep in mind it's very likely The Holy Church in the Nasuverse is independent of the actual Catholic Church itself.

[@houyo]

Your logic is backwards. If a sacrament has to come from Jesus than the only logical explanation is that Jesus made the 8th sacrament.

[@charge8039]

@@houyo I guess? But assuming that Jesus just made an eighth sacrament implies that whatever Christianity the Holy Church practices differs greatly from Catholicism from the get go.

[@houyo]

@@charge8039 Ah. So what your saying is Jesus was a mage. Makes sense.

[@charge8039]

@@houyo Well, His capabilities most likely exceeded even the most powerful mages while He was alive. Calling Jesus a mage is like calling dragons lizards.

[@kazune414]

In the case file novels and in the fgo Edmond Dantes audio drama we are introduced to the conceptual weapon that is actually the common standard amongst members of the holy church, the weapon that most members use in place of Black keys. They are called Ash Locks and they take the form of Gray colored armor gauntlets,that are supposedly customizable inform the most commonly have bladed protrusions extending off of them. The precise capabilities are not well explain but they seem to have some measurement of strength enhancing effect on their users and some form of shape-shifting

[@hydrasfang]

Thank you for posting this, since I don't have access to the expanded universe material. Again thank you I really didn't know about this.

[@Samm815]

Sounds like some modified or mass-produced version of St. Martha's "prayers".

[@primordial-chaos00]

Would saint Martha, George and Joan of Arc be proud or disappointed of the holy church, if they saw what they were doing.

[@aaronsmith4531]

The Black Keys. The only weapon Shirou Emiya can't trace.

[@otakudaikun]

I'd like to think they don't approve.

[@lenleon3699]

@@otakudaikun Considering Martha’s hatred of the false Grails, she would certainly hate the fact the Church mediated on the Fuyuki War rather than outright stopped it.

[@otakudaikun]

@@lenleon3699 Practically every grail in Fate is a fake.

[@lenleon3699]

@@otakudaikun That is sort of the point (by definition there is only one and it was returned to heaven by Galahad). The fact they are indifferent and even watch over their Grail rituals is not something saints would agree with. Jeanne did not seem to care but she herself does not consider herself saintly nor is she strict in her belief, unlike Martha.

[@marblethunder4323]

I'm sure anyone who plays a decent amount of JRPGs are aware, Catholic inspired religions tend to end up being antagonists.

[@Lemuel928]

Despite using unnatural power?

[@ivanbluecool]

Doom and Dante's inferno have the holy power be a great thing I think it's more so showing how easy a pure idea can be fallen by power hungry people in all the ones I've played like being able to read the future but losing your freedom for it But butters has the best holy power being super affective on everyone in south park stick of truth.

[@otakudaikun]

All the time lol

[@aaronsmith4531]

Actually the Catholic Antagonists always try, and become God. Its always the protagonist that brings that Antagonists down to Earth.

[@lavendermarshmallowplant3229]

to be fair, the holy church isn't really the antagonist, just a sort of neutral figure

[@mide2476]

I hope Nasu eventually expands on all the Holy Sacraments/Spells/Mysteries the Holy Church uses.

[@EVERYWHERE_MAN]

_OTAKU-DAI-KUN STOP TRYING TO SEDUCE ME WITH YOUR VOICE_

[@Freashplayer]

Say what you want about The Holy Church, but Black Keys are really cool.

[@otakudaikun]

I'd give you all of mine if I could lol

[@imperfectanimal57]

Professor Dai, can you do a video about various mage family’s, their heirs and what they specialize in? (The tohsaka’s, elderfelts, the Matou’s, and many more?)

[@otakudaikun]

Not a bad idea.

[@sleepylmguy9968]

Alucard: Hm? Suddenly it reeks of hypocrisy in here. *Kirei Walks in* Oh if it isn't the Catholic church! And what's this? No little Tummy glued to your crotch? Progress! No lie who else would pay to see a Hellsing X Fate crossover. Imagine Alucard fighting some Servants/Heroic Spirit, who could mange well in a fight with him? (Watch the whole comment section v break out into a war about this) I wonder how he would interact with the Fate version of Dracula, aka Vlad. Great video btw Dai.

[@lonesomebookworm4345]

Oh lord, this takes me back... Somewhere out there, there's a fanfic rewriting of Zero where everything is the same, except Kariya summons abridged Alucard instead of Lancelot. It's hysterical but at the same time the author does a phenomenal job writing their dynamic, Kariya actually gets DEVELOPMENT. Would you like me to try finding it again for you?

[@tonyinfinite5174]

Alucard would not approve of Vlad's faith and would gun him down religiously telling Vlad you would have won if you went Vampire hahaha

[@sleepylmguy9968]

@@lonesomebookworm4345 There is!? If you got a link please do. You can't do wrong with Abridged Alucard.

[@lonesomebookworm4345]

@@sleepylmguy9968 YOROKOBE SHOUNEN, I have managed to unearth this gem: archiveofourown.org/works/14928299/chapters/34583714 Sadly it's unfinished but I think it's still a great read. Enjoy!

[@sleepylmguy9968]

@@lonesomebookworm4345 Thank you very much, fellow FF reader.

[@danielwong1780]

I don't understand how any fate fan could understand the franchise without your videos

[@fraincross8644]

I swear amongst all anime depiction of the church being a secret badass organization. The nasuverse Holy Church is by far my favorite. Throwing swords like they are knives. I suppose it pays to be a christian/catholic. Although, I tend to wonder. How does the Vatican fit into this? Is the Pope the most powerful in the organization of the Holy Church? In terms of authority anyways. Edit: Good job on the video Dai Kun. I love the effort you put into making it seem you are a magus tutoring us young mages about the moonlit world.

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

Also, theyare not "100% evil", with all the fuckery magi families do, having to take out weapons against the mess they leave behind is a good thing. Look at the zombie island, who went to clean the Magi errors?

[@Lemuel928]

The Vatican doesn’t give a bunk what they’re planning next every darn time.

[@lenleon3699]

The Church has two sides basically and it is implied that Executors and the Burial Agency are like an independent organization beholden only to God. The Burial Agency especially are treated by the rest of the church as impure and monstrous (several of them ARE monsters). In short: they aren’t ordered by the clergy leaders, they have their own leaders,

[@Lemuel928]

The Executors cut heads.

[@Lemuel928]

The Burial Agency buries the dead.

[@ivanbluecool]

Always nice to see rins eyes in each video. All the dudes in the church are ripped and basically body builders like kirie and the guy in El mellioi plus his dad. Carrens veil I do wish we could have seen more in hollow with it like shirou and shikis arm being wrapped up. What I wish we saw was more of kiries past with bazzet then meeting his wife to have carren

[@brockh624]

The Holy Church also covers up pretty much anything as "just a gas leak"

[@otakudaikun]

I mean, Kirei does eat a fuck ton of mapo tofu.

[@louisaugis7734]

I must admit: i am an hudge fan of the naruverse and your video are just wonderful!

[@ivanbluecool]

Kirie made Rin and shirou both use a lot of money. Same as the gacha with thier high cost lol. Shirou in miyu verse said how expensive they were to bye and he had only a few of them and not use them much in the real battle. I wanna see more of the knights like that huge white haired girl reiz who makes Medusa look like a midget as her style looks great.

[@armaanallidina7916]

Also in the burial agency of the church, a dead apostle is a member

[@lenleon3699]

More than one I think. One of them by way of literal torture.

[@armaanallidina7916]

@@lenleon3699 i meant one completely willing

[@griffionwyvrus9063]

Well they are the strongest organization even Hansa from Fate Strange Fake has admitted that he doesnt have the strength of the Burial Agency's members.You can think like this Inquisitors hunts ghouls, Executors hunts dead apostle, but the Burial Agency hunts dead apostle ancestor or even true ancestor.

[@majutsushisliceoflife]

Great lesson Dai, and quite eye-opening! I had wondered for a while why the Church allowed Kirei to learn magecraft from Tokiomi for the fourth grail war.

[@Awesome_Pichu]

Considering their track record for the previous 2 Fuyuki grail wars, I wouldn't say they are as reliable

[@ris_kis]

Thanks for your series.

[@JerzeyBoy]

Rin, Dai, we do NOT call the Servant Baber. It's disrespectful to the Servant.

[@otakudaikun]

But she's bae.

[@floricel_112]

F*CK YOU! I LOVE HER!

[@sheikhrajelali4835]

All hail baeber and The bea cometh nuff said.

[@shahdangalahad698]

Thank you for the Church Organization Lore.

[@redspear6692]

This is amazing, this is why I love Nasuverse, there is so much more lore to it.

[@madambutterfly1997]

The only cool thing about the holy church are their Black Keys. Imagine being like Wolverine but you get the launch to claws like projectiles

[@onemoregodrejected9369]

Shirou from an AU can spam Black Keys, probably blessed since he is a priest to it. That is kidna terrfying since due FGO black key card, they are underrated, but they should not.

[@ivanbluecool]

Yeah many uses but very expensive to get as magic is more so about being rich as luvia shows. Kirie made them big to block origin bullet with seals and burn vampires so they do have a lot of uses.

[@Vince-A-N-O]

Dang, to think that the Church had so much depth in Fate, it definitely needs more clarity.

[@zacharyrodriguez4348]

Well... The chathlic church does have a bad reputation ranging from didleing little boys to mass gennoside

[@Salarian8]

Funny story, the first nosuvers thing I encountered was the Fate Zero anime. I did not know anything about it, and for the first several episodes of its run I thought that Kirei Kotomine was the main protagonist. One thing I can not find out is how the sacrame works? Thay can not be normal “Od” magecraft, since the church does not only use people with the magic circuits. So is it richil bases “furmall craft”, but that is instinct with the feets we see with black keys. However we only see these feats, altering their size and trajectory on the fly, out of church members that just so happen to have magic circuits. Is it item based “spiritron”, but stuff like baptism is not dependent on items. I know I am massively overthinking this, but which is it?

[@joshs5577]

I’ll explain in the general so you can use this as a framework for most other magecrafts. In order for a human to cause supernatural effects on the world they must activate a foundation laid out by beings of great power before. Mages do this by utilizing mystery and the foundation left behind by Solomon in the form of Ars Goetia. The Church uses the foundation created by God to perform miracles. Now foundations don’t require circuits to use rather each have their own set of rules for accessing them. In the case of the church performing the correct rites with a strong faith and will activates the foundation allowing executors to perform miracles per the rules laid out by that foundation circuits simply add power to that process.

[@houyo]

Man these videos make me want to roleplay being a wizard teacher.

[@charandattamuddana1741]

Damn i wish this were a part of my college course

[@thefiregodzapp]

Black keys are probably the most interesting weapon in the nasuverse to me.

[@stevenchoza6391]

The writers of the various Fate works need to brush up on the inner working of the Catholic Church. The fact that priests have wives and children in Fate show these writers have no clue about Church practices.

[@humbletom49]

well its a fictional series where priests are combat specialists and accept magic.i would not stress thinking about that

[@ivanbluecool]

Some groups are ok with having families as it's almost a worldwide religion and different cultures bold different body beliefs on it.

[@stevenchoza6391]

@@ivanbluecool Accept the Church’s rules are the same on the matter, regardless of location.

[@stevenchoza6391]

@@humbletom49 I would if it was some original denomination created for the Nasuverse or if they explained why this happened. Neither is the case and, given the setting, it’s something I have to call bullshit on because it’s how major character came to exist.

[@ivanbluecool]

@@stevenchoza6391 sure.......no

[@maggintons]

Basically the Nasuverse church is basically Father Grigori's ideals on a massive scale.

[@alokrip9226]

What ??

[@yurineri2227]

I like how in the nasuverse a part the of people in the church have good intentions and a part doesn't it makes for a more believable institution

[@jacek107ify]

Templars are still part of nasuverse canon?? I have thought they appeared only in Fate/prototype?

[@emikolina5439]

Them churches are filled with hackers if they can cover up a light show like back in the second movie

[@wolfynightwolf]

OwO More intresting lessons

[@Ghostgaming-hs8jk]

I know you have made videos on Fate/Grand order but can you still explain Cheldea and it's founder

[@otakudaikun]

Episode one of that lore series gives as much as I currently know.

[@kaybevang536]

I’m doing a fan servant of the Last Templar Grandmaster who was killed and was betrayed by the holy church and that he vowed to return to get revenge and avenge his templar brothers name is Jacques De Moley Last Grand Master Of The Knights Templar in the year 1314 AD thus his death and Templar downfall

[@KomodoMagic]

Can we see the results when your done?

[@kaybevang536]

@@KomodoMagic haven’t really started due to work also I don’t know what he would look like since his real self looks like some old guy 😂

[@kaybevang536]

@@KomodoMagic I’ll probably make him look younger and also I will make him wear Templar Tunic

[@elecrom_9757]

Not to dissuade you from this, but in case you didn't know he seems to appear in Requiem so maaaayyybee he'll get some official stats

[@warsown4935]

This is just surreal

[@exotixkdm]

U should do super human Orion and artemis

[@hesklairvoyant]

Fuuuck ik im 3 years late but the holy church is so underused. id love if nasu expanded on it more with a dedicated story about it. Imagine if the protag was an executioner or sum. idk if u guys have ever listened to the song "bloodhail" by have a nice life. fantastic song btw but itd be cool if the plot was similar to what the songs about. Basically its about the human capacity of indifference. Its a reference from one of Antiochus' lectures (a greek king who id love to see in fgo). In the lecture, a scene is depicted of a hunter who will strike down god with a flurry of arrows. To reach the heavens, all humans make a staircase of bodies. Hooking their arms and legs together, the people assist the hunter in his attempt to kill god. Hunter is rebelling against their innate being and attempting to find meaning/the ability to care in the death and destruction around him. We can only assume that after climbing to heaven and killing god, The Hunter would ascend to some kind of state of quasi-godhood. The set of stairs made by the entire human race is a reference to the fact that theological establishment (and, more broadly, God as a concept) is made possible by the billions of people that subscribe to it as a world view. We are the set of stairs, being used for someone else’s religious exaltation. Anyways this would be a cool ass plot for the holy church in the nasuverse, pretty dark and heavy. The protag is the hunter

[@argentthefish2204]

Imagine a priest/executor's or kirei saying deus vult as they slay vampires and heretics.

[@ninjaeris131]

I may have yelled at the beginning "It's always the Catholics!!" Like, I need these guys to calm down in every media

[@OneoftheCaesars]

No dislikes? Heres a like

[@axellion4573]

I wanna be an executor and hunt vampires, dead apostle ancestors and/or work with Zelretch and play with Fou or simp for for altrogue

[@jackking1923]

@Otakudaikun please help me I need to know if Nasu or Type moon stated Fate zero is not canon to the nasuverse

[@otakudaikun]

I thought it was Nasu but you need a correction. He didn't say zero wasn't canon to the Nasuverse, he said it wasn't canon to the Stay Night timeline. This means that Zero is still canon but just on an alternate timeline.

[@jackking1923]

@@otakudaikun thanks my guy I ran into someone saying Fate/zero wasnt canon and I was puzzled

[@jackking1923]

@@jkosch thank you

[@anubisgodess2353]

OtakuDaikun-Sensei 🤔🙋🏾‍♀️I know it's not the class to ask, but due to the new event happening in fgo NA I'm curious about the new servent Sitonai. She doesn't seem to be based on anyone on any actual human history from my research and I'm curious of what she could represent. Although not a patreon I'd really like to learn more about her if you could make a video/lesson possible please.🙇🏾‍♀️

[@TwilightNightGaming]

She is a combination of different existences, a bit like other Alter Egos. She has the body of Illyasviel von Einzbern and the saint graph combination of Freyja and Louhi.

[@otakudaikun]

It's a pseudo servant with Illya being stuffed with a few norse gods. Those gods have lore.

[@lenleon3699]

Sitonai is from a very obscure Ainu tale (the original inhabitants of Hokkaido) about the daughter of a village chief that slays an Orochi serpent to save her people. They then built a shrine to seal the serpent and in honor of her courage. The story is almost exactly like the tale of Li Chi, so there’s a debate of which is the original. It’s also extremely obscure. On the other hand Sitonai is also merged with the evil Finnish witch Louhi and the goddess Freyja as parts of her. Louhi is an unknown for me but you can find her story easily in a wiki, unlike the super obscure Sitonai legend. Btw, the reason Sitonai has a bear is because of the Ainu’s reverence to bears as sacred animals.

[@KeiosKod]

No, the bear is her dog. Freyja and Louhi just transformed it into a bear.

[@lenleon3699]

@@KeiosKod That is the Fate lore reason, since Sitonai did indeed had a dog. But it is likely they gave her a bear in design both as an in-joke (Ilya’s original idea in Fate to turn Shirou into a doll of sorts) and because of the Ainu culture itself. Many things end up contributing to the design, beyond merely the final lore excuse. Most disgusting example would be the reason for mr “Detroit Emiya” (where the designer just wanted to give him a thug look and came up with the magic overuse excuse afterwards).

[@FictionHero777]

Feel bad for Ceil of what happen to her.

[@fightersroots3531]

Which episode is the thumbnail from?

[@otakudaikun]

It's the second opening of Fate Zero.

[@fightersroots3531]

@@otakudaikun so it's not from an episode?

[@otakudaikun]

@@fightersroots3531 I mean, you'll see it in all the later episodes in Fate Zero when the intro plays.

[@alokrip9226]

Name of the background theme In the intro PLEASE

[@otakudaikun]

That's from Fate Apocrypha's ost.

[@alokrip9226]

@@otakudaikun which ost ?? Name PLEASE

[@floricel_112]

I am confused. It says it was uploaded 15 minutes ago, but the comments are months long

[@aminebachir3394]

Patreon links

[@otakudaikun]

All Lessons in Magecraft start as paid supporter exclusive.

[@matheusaraujo4570]

What are conceptual weapons?

[@otakudaikun]

Weapons that don't just shoot energy or ammo or whatnot. They're built to enforce a concept or idea onto their target. Black barrel, for instance, forces the concept of death onto beings that are otherwise immortal. Astolfo's spear was famous for knocking a giant to his knees, so as a servant the weapon forces targets to fall over by temporarily erasing their legs. Stuff like that.

[@matheusaraujo4570]

@@otakudaikun so the black keys are the concepts of scriptures of the holy church? Making them basically physical ideas? Also thanks for answering😁👍🏻(I assumed black keys were conceptual weapons. Sorry;-;)

[@otakudaikun]

@@matheusaraujo4570 Did I specifically call Black Keys conceptual weapons? They're similar I suppose, but the church makes black keys by literally turning pages of scripture into weapons.

[@matheusaraujo4570]

@@otakudaikun no I just assumed they were, sorry, I also remember reading somewhere that they were but I don’t know if I misunderstood it, either way I’m sorry

[@abdilahramadhan984]

My " favourite " side in Nasuverse :v As a big fan of religious thingy in anime/manga/VN/LN, im happy Nasu made the Holy Church as not 100% good or bad. God is perfect, but his followers are not 🙏

[@NEXUSKNIGHT2]

So if they went toe to toe with Dracul with Castlevania Lords Of Shadow how would they fair? From what I remember even the prayer the Brotherhood of light used did nothing to him. Dude did say He was chosen by God in the prologue of Lords Of Shadow 2

[@otakudaikun]

I have no idea about Castlevania.

[@NEXUSKNIGHT2]

@@otakudaikun Fair point sorry about that. What about the lost and aragami from the Code Vein/God Eater universe can the Holy church handle such creatures?

[@joshs5577]

@@NEXUSKNIGHT2 It’s hard to answer questions like this because they fundamentally work on different systems. Even vampires in Nasu aren’t entirely like vampires seen in Castlevania.

[@khiemnguyen7929]

Is it normal for me to never rolled any Black keys?

[@otakudaikun]

I think it was worse when the game started and there were fewer crappy cards to get.

[@mattdobz]

Instead of executors, they should've hunted mages with inquisitors; that way nobody would expect them.

[@g.r.4459]

So basically, the Catholic Church preaches, the Holy Church acts on what is preached ONLY close at home, but is quite content to completely ignore what the Catholic, Evangelical, and most of the other denominations that we know of says. And the Burial Agency is basically an outsourced part of the Holy Church that would horrify the Catholic/Evangelica/Etc Church. Cause as much as the Holy Church acts like it's the same as the Catholic/Evangelic/Etc denominations, I'm pretty sure most, if not all, religous teachings discourage human experimentation...

[@otakudaikun]

There's so much irony. They call dead apostles abominations then do crazy shit to Ciel.

[@kamideath196]

Can the church even permanently kill a true ansoster

[@otakudaikun]

Hmm... I have no idea. I can't think of a true ancestor that was fully defeated.

[@TimilehinOlaokun]

You better be careful though, since no one expects the inquisition.

[@sabithasajan5564]

All servants VS All heroes (my hero acadamia)

[@davidkoks2400]

English hard language :( very more words

[@richardthefox3412]

1:30 Me: *Laughs in Protestantism*

[@otakudaikun]

What does that sound like lol?

[@richardthefox3412]

@@otakudaikun Perhaps something like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXjEpmuId7KBfZo

[@otakudaikun]

@@richardthefox3412 That's terrifying.

[@Fragesed]

Do I smell religious persecution and prejudice?

[@FurrySupportMain]

so what im getting is the church is as bad in the Nasu-vers as it is in reality

[@lavendermarshmallowplant3229]

It's not really that bad in modern times. There's always corruption but the entirety of church isn't that.