Panasonic S1 Firmware 2.0 First Look (ProRes RAW, 6K, 4K 60p 10 Bit internal)

[@sdullproductions]

Thank you for this review. Love my S1!

[@liberteefoxtv3463]

Thanks a lot ! S1 is a small S1H now , as owner of two S1H and compared S1 there is of course a gap between them in video Colors modes and V Gamut power handling of this major upgrade.. S1H is for serious DP’s but the S1 is already very cool for intermediate job and short recordings ! Even on Atomos the Raw signal is more powerful on the S1H Panasonic told us last months ..

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thanks for you comment! I am curious, since you have both cameras: How do the color modes differ? I mean, both share the same sensor, and V-Log is standardised (Ninja V also shows V-Gamut as color space). Are there more settings you can change on the S1H that have an impact on the recorded image? I honestly don't know since I don't have an S1H. I thought the biggest difference IQ-wise is the missing OLPF in the S1 that could result in moire, but I will test if that's the case. The colorful artifacts in the trees would suggest that. Other than the things above and the missing All-I there doesn't seem to be a difference in terms of recording modes and image quality, right?

[@liberteefoxtv3463]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker indeed Joe ! In fact , yes there are some extra features in the new S1H space menus and the Raw signals a bit more optimised so as BRaw now for Blackmagic s Video assist 12G to get original Blackmagic Raw conversation threw the external Rec.. Concerning the artifacts in the S1H Raw modes does take it literally off with some scales to optimize only on S1H .. Panasonic are good but they do not want a clone for half price of course 😉🙃 I stay open to communicate with you with pleasure Joe ..! Steven

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thanks for replying! Would love too see how big of an impact those settings really are. Yes, Braw is great, I agree, but if we would get WB and ISO control in Premiere I would be happy enough. 😁 The severe price gap doesn't feel as justified since the update. But I think it's awesome from Panasonic to keep the S1 one of the best price-performance ratio cameras on the market. The S1H has it's value of course, but most shooters can spare some change by choosing the S1.

[@liberteefoxtv3463]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker absolutely Joe ! As the S1 last major update is kind of à présent for the S1 users how didn’t upgrade to H .. And not to get them to frustrated of course 🙂 The sensor as been improved a bit also in 2020 V2 series of the S1H 👍🏾

[@vishnubochiya9671]

Thank you love my s1

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

Great information about the new update. I have updated mine but have not tested yet but your tests look good so far! Thanks !!

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thank you, glad I could give some impression. Doing overheating and other tests right now to take a closer look at some stuff.

[@Ko6pa]

Great review, thumbs up !

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thanks!

[@GlenReed]

Great video man! Love my S1!!

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thanks! It's a great camera!

[@nightdonutstudio]

Very capable camera.

[@scottmorgason]

Thanks for sharing! Great video

[@JakeStehliChaser]

Love this Camera. It has been tricky finding the right settings since you have to go against convention (shutter speeds, etc) . But this baby can actually shoot video of the northern lights and space stuff at 24fps with more detail than the Sony a7sii. (Slightly more noise correction) Of course this working with an 20mm f1.4 at the highest native ISO. If you are more into storm and night-astro videography/photography and all manual, the S1,S1H got to be the one of the best out there in the prosumer price range with this sensor size.

[@JakeStehliChaser]

(Videos on my channel are old and not from S1)

[@jasonnowwhat5041]

Doesn’t the S1 have shutter angle?

[@SamEmilio2]

Thanks for this covering this! I've been so excited for this update for a long time. I appreciated you testing out the internal 10 bit 4:2:0 modes - I've been curious about how much worse than 4:2:2 it is, and am glad to see that it's perfectly usable (unlike the 8 bit modes when shooting log)

[@FantabMedia]

Definitely, it's made 50/60p usable if you want to match with 24-30p V-Log.

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Glad you liked it! Yes I was surprised too how sturdy 420 footage can be. The GH5 implementation was far inferior when recording Log. The S1 handles it pretty good, but it also has it's limitations. For Run and Gun it's absolutely usable.

[@creativegreats6924]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker what do you mean the gh5 was far inferior ? Inferior to what camera ?

[@creativegreats6924]

@@FantabMedia what made 60p usable and able to match 24p?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

The GH5's colors are breaking apart faster than on the S1, which is always a thing to look out when shooting Log. The GH5 is mich more sturdy in 422 than in 420. And the S1 is more sturdy in 420 from my experience. But that doesn't matter when you only shoot in 422.

[@ruff1draft]

Excellent

[@ntchi]

Cool update but they removed the 4k to 1080p down convert in the HDMI rec output setting. It was there in firmware 1.7

[@nyrubin]

Wow. Would've loved it on the s5

[@nightdonutstudio]

If it has the auto focus of sony or canon, a lot of people won't buy a7sIII or R5.

[@gianlucagattabria2357]

Hi joe, the record limit is for oveheating, Panasonic talk about it in their live streaming some days ago. For this reason the cfexpress is a better choice because is phisically bigger than an SD so it remains colder!

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Ok thanks for the info. I will test how far I can push the camera before that.

[@ronbackal]

Hi Joe , that looks great! I am actually excited about purchasing the S1 and S1H for video work also because I can use Leica lenses . For example the Apo Summicron Sl are crazy good lenses from all reviews I saw ! So it’s very nice to be able to get really good lenses too. What lenses do you use ?

[@PublicHerald]

Great overlook at the update! Any chance you have access to a Komodo and can compare the two? We’ve been thinking about using the Komodo on our new docs mainly for rolling shutter and colors (all of our films were previously shot on S1 & LUMIX lines). But with the S1 update, I think you’d be the first to compare any of the recent LUMIX cameras with Komodo.

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thanks! Sadly I don't have access to nor do I know people with a Komodo. I absolutely would do a comparison, but the Komodo is so scarse where I live. But I would love to do that.

[@adigyran]

how to compare $2k camera with $6k lol, not fair at all

[@AriessGroup]

Nice review as always, one question, is the slow motion at 120fps and below can autofocus same as s5?? Or is it still manuall

[@Fantabiscuit]

So just to get this right, there’s no open gate 6k in 25p? Only 24p? That’s sucks. Lights flicker here in a 50hz country

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Yes, 25p only at 5.9K, no open gate. Set it at 1/50, then there is no flicker. Yes it's a bit off 1/48, but that's not as bad imo. Didn't have any flicker issues so far.

[@magnusgotander3954]

Test anything useful. Sync Sound, double tracks with Ninja V and internal.

[@hazrafilms3389]

The Lumix S1's Auto Focus Problem Is Actually Over

[@mcfilms285]

Excuse me if I'm a little bit off topic but I have noted in your video that even your camera shows up PAL and NTSC fps. I didn't found a way to hide NTSC fps (on my GH5S it exists, instead). Perhaps this is something that we can't change due to a specific firmware for Europe, because I know that some S1 has the voice into the menu for switching PAL/NTCS system. Of course this is not a big issue, but seeing the modes that I don't want to use bothers me a little bit.

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Yes I know. On the GH5 you have to switch region and turn your camera off and on again. Not with the S1, where all the formats are displayed at once. I also don't like that, since I have no use for the NTSC formats. I think that we can't do anything about it, since many people wanted Panasonic to make the switch easier. I guess Panasonic listened and went ahead with this solution.

[@jasonnowwhat5041]

I’m confused, the S1 does have shutter angle, correct? I thought it got it via firmware a while ago.

[@illiazhukovin782]

Hi, Joe. How you open raw file? Please, help

[@ericsamuels6250]

they say they want to protect the s1h

[@joshdiditt]

Hey. Great video. Can UHS I V30 SD cards be used for the 5.9k internal mode? If not, can you recommend some cards?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thanks! I normally use my Prograde V60 256GB cards that do the job perfectly well. Those are my go-to cards that handle the 5.9K mode and 4K/50p with ease. I would recommend them any day. Since all the High-Res modes on the S1 are 200MBit/s, V30 cards should be able to work with that (It's the All-I mode with 400MBit/s with which the V30 cards struggle), but I never did an in-depth test. I just recorded a one minute test clip on a V30 card, no problem with that. But I don't know for longer recording times.

[@manoftheroad55]

Hi Joe ...I think many would be interested to see a side by side comparison with Leica SL....at €1200 for near mint Pan S1. And lower battery and SD card running costs its a viable option ....do you think ?? Thanks great videoes

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

@@manoftheroad55 If I could get my hands on one it would be an interesting comparison, since the insides are very similar (if not the same). The S1 is an absolute banger, it's crazy.

[@lusirifov]

The differences between S5 (current version) and S1 ver2.0?

[@marcoabrar]

Thank you so much for the detailed video! I have an important question as an anamorphic shooter. While internally recording open gate (6K 3:2) to an sd card, can the camera at the same time also output an HDMI feed for external monitor viewing? And if yes, what is the resolution of the HDMI out? Thank you! :)

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

I covered this in detail in my follow up video. Yes you can output while recording 6k internal, but only in 4k.

[@stevemiller9852]

I was curious if you experience lag time on your Atomos? I have been trying out RAW on my S1H, but find it very hard to use because of the lag time between what you seen the monitor and what is actually being filmed. For some shots, it does not matter, but for pulling focus, forget about it. Great review, thank you!

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

I will test that, thanks for the suggestion!

[@soyluisvalenzuela]

No i haven't

[@ParkerVVII]

My camera is already on 2.1 but no 6k is showing for some reason

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Do you have the SFU2 key installed?

[@aleksikelloniemi7035]

I updated my S1 from 1.7 to 2.2. The update install went nicely but im not able to choose 6k or shoot even MOV neither v-log. What im doing wrong? 🤔

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Do you have the SFU key installed? Without that you won't be able to use the extended video features.

[@billem16]

Hi Joe I just found your video. I am VERY close to changing my GH5 over to S1 or S1H (the GH6 doesn't impress me enough)... I am researching the depths of the internet to see if the S1 is enough for me or if I should keep saving for S1H. It seems the biggest difference is that the S1 lacks All-I ... but I am not experienced enough to truly know the difference and what that means. Without All-I, does that simply mean lower quality footage? Or does it mean bigger file sizes? Or slower processing time on my Mac/Premiere Pro? Thank you!

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Bigger files, a tiny bit bettet quality and easier editing. I personally never use Alli on my GH5, so I don't really care about that. Whats nicer on the S1H is no recording limit, no moire because of AA filter and more videocentric controls.

[@ChrisFlores22]

Totally noob question! What are the use case for the resolutions beyond 4K ? Why cinema 4K over normal 4K? Why use 4K-a, 5.4, 5.9 & 6k?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Sharper image to downscale and cropping on a 4K timeline. 4k-a is for anamorphic video shooting.

[@ChrisFlores22]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker thank you so much for reply!

[@pablolauf448]

Why is nobody mentioning the fact that the S-1 doesn't give you the option for recording in All-Intra but only Long-GOP which makes the footage really hard to handle for any software? I mean as soon as you're trying to edit more than two clips, even a powerful computer will fail to deliver a smooth playback. I think this makes the camera useless for any professional filmmaker.

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

It's true that Long-GOP is pretty hard on hardware, but my not-state-of-the-art PC can handle a couple of files for shoter videos quite well, and for bigger projects I just use a proxy workflow. It only takes a bit of time to transcode and I can switch back to the originals when I start color grading. Works perfect for me. All-I is nice for sure, but I have so many projects and since I keep the footage (+redundancy) it's just so much more space saved. Even now on the GH6 I only use Long-GOP, albeit it has even better codec options than the S1H. I totally get your point. If you don't like proxies and don't have a benchmark PC, the S1H serves you better with it's All-I option. But to say that the S1 is useless for professionals is a bit overexaggerated in my opinion.

[@creativegreats6924]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker what kinda of processor do you use ? And what graphics card ?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

I use an RTX2060 Super and Ryzen 9 3900X at the moment, but the setup is already 3 years old. Works like a charm still.

[@creativegreats6924]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker i hear the Ryzen 5 works good with h.265 over the 9 is that true ?

[@creativegreats6924]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker how much ram do you use ?

[@colhutchins]

With this firmware update, how does the s1 compare to the s5? I don't think the s5 has any of the 5.9 & 6K internal codecs does it? Does the S1 have vector scopes and waveforms etc like the s5? Hard choice between the two cameras now, with the S1 having a better EVF and full size HDMI.

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

For me the Micro HDMI is the absolute dealbreaker for me. If Panasonic would update the S5 with full size HDMI and a fan, a would buy that instantly.

[@timmychu2456]

Love your information reviews. May I know when shooting high and low bitrate in C4K 10bit from 24fps up to 60fps do the sensor crop or use entire full frame?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Thanks, very appreciated! No crop up to 30p, Aps-c in 50p and 60p, no matter which compression.

[@timmychu2456]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker Sorry I forgot to add is’t recording internally have crop at 4k50 & 60p?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

No matter if external or internal, UHD or C4K, there is simply no recording in 4K 50/60P in Fullframe. It is always APS-C. If you want Fullframe, you only get that in 24/25/30p.

[@timmychu2456]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker Thanks for your info Joe. Might get one for myself. Cheers.

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Glad to help! 🙂

[@50450720]

After the 15 minute record limit is up, can you hit record straight away and keep shooting continuous 15 minute clips? Also, can you record 5.9k non raw (cine D for example ) onto the Atomos ninja v?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

I will test the 15min limit if there is heat buildup. Will take a look at higher than 4K 10 Bit output!

[@visionvalleyproductions]

S1 can record 4k 60p 8/10 bit Without Crop?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

No, only with crop.

[@335hhh]

Can you talk connect ninja v with s1H more details ?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

What would you like to know about that?

[@ondrejjanoska660]

I do not understand why they did not give us 6k 25p

[@FantabMedia]

24p is the limit of what the processor they're using (or the sensor) can do, that's why they added 5.4k.

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Kris is right. Other manufacturers that use the same sensor are also not able to record more than 24 fps. Definitely a processing limitation.

[@ondrejjanoska660]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker weil they able to do 5.9k 25....

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Yes that is with a crop for a 16:9 aspect ratio. So less data to process.

[@jameshandley7197]

what file format is the internal 5.9k im wondering if i can edit in luma fusion using my ipad pro 2021

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

H.265 in an MOV Container. Don't know if an ipad can handle it, these files are pretty tough on any computer.

[@jameshandley7197]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker the ipads with the m1 chip can handle 6k footage easy

[@malateshkp]

Plz test heat issue in s1

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Already at it. Stay tuned for the video!

[@gzstudios5494]

maybe I did something wrong during the installation because I can see the firmware is 2.0 but I can't see the new 6k C4k and all the new features of this new update :( I need help

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Do you have the SFU2-Key installed? And are you in MOV-Mode?

[@gzstudios5494]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker I don't have the sfu2-key 😬... and I'm not on MOV mode

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

@@gzstudios5494 You need the key in order to active those extended functions. The update alone won't give you 6K. Without the key you shouldn't also be able to record V-Log and 10Bit anyway. If you get the Key, you should be able to record all those formats.

[@gzstudios5494]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker Thank you so mucho for that information, I was worried because I thought I had made mistakes during the update. I'll get the key tomorrow, thanks again 🙏🏼👌

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

@@gzstudios5494 Glad I could help!

[@gabrielepampanelli815]

so, the atomos worth the money or do you prefer 5.9k internal?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Depends. For quick turnarounds, the Ninja surely is too much. But for bigger stuff like corporate or feature film I would want the best quality. Even just to get 10Bit 422 is nice, it doesn't have to be Raw all the time. Also it's a great monitor and I can use it with my GH5 also for 4k60p 10Bit 422. But for events and weddings the 5.9k is more then enough.

[@yoseabdurrahman5677]

hello , is this camera support 1080p 10bit video and pal/ ntsc switch ?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Yes it shoots 1080 in 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60p.

[@rayewonder5067]

did the firmware update and none of those shooting modes are showing up

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Do you have the SFU2 Key?

[@rayewonder5067]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker Absolutely

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

@@rayewonder5067 That's weird. Maybe you should contact Panasonics support, they help out fast from my experience.

[@Landmarkfilmcollective]

Yeah I have the same issue.

[@BiotikaAnti]

Which modes are infinit for Video? 🤔

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

-All FullHD modes -DCI 4K 24-30p 10Bit -UHD 24-30p 10 Bit -UHD/DCI4K 50/60p in 8 Bit -all 8Bit modes Everything above 4K/30p in 10Bit is limted.

[@BiotikaAnti]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker thank you very much!

[@kenchan2371]

Can it beat s1h？

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

Depends on your needs. If you don't need unlimited recording, OLPF, swivel screen and some features like timecode and waveform, both cameras deliver the same ProRes Raw features and overall image quality. I would never say it beats the S1H in terms of video, but it's very close and a great alternative for a lower budget.

[@rajivlather8918]

What about auto-focus for stills ? Please test that and let us know

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

If I get my hands on native glass I could give it a try. I only use adapted EF lenses, and the autofocus isn't usable in my opinion.

[@ondrejjanoska660]

It is ok for >>>Fotos.....snapy....I am using 24-105 lens.....

[@FantabMedia]

AF for stills is fine. There are a few annoyances but it's usable.

[@emerywd]

@@ondrejjanoska660 I've got a a7r3 , m1 mk2, g9 and s1. For stills Panasonic DFD is brilliant in the vast majority of cases and there's a lot of BS written about it.. In short, birds in flights and CAF eye AF might give you better results on a Sony. But we are talking marginally higher keeper rate. I can tell you it's not perfect on Sony either.

[@CaptainPure]

Is this paid firmware?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

No, the update is free, BUT you need to have the SFU2-Key installed, which costs around 100 bucks. You would need this key anyway on the S1, otherwise you wouldn't get any 10Bit Recording or V-Log.

[@CaptainPure]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker what about s5? also need SFU2_key for 10 bit vlog ?

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

@@CaptainPure No, for the S5 not.

[@CaptainPure]

@@TheBudgetFilmmaker i don't get why s1 users need to pay more for these features?!

[@TheBudgetFilmmaker]

I guess Panasonic didn't plan for the S1 to be such a popular choice for Videographers after the S1H. But after releasing the S5 with all those features included Panasonic didn't want to enrage current S1 users (lile me). They also didn't want to make people feel like they paid extra after spending 100 bucks if the update would have been for everyone, also those who didn't pay for the key. So yeah, that's my guess. It's messy but Panasonic at least tried to make S1 users with SFU2 keys happy.

[@bodytransformnz]

The S1 and the S1H are not even close to be the same. No All-I, recording limits, no master pedestal, no luminance spot metering, no high low gain or -18 to +18 db of audio recording, and and and .. the list goes on.

[@adigyran]

for 2x price mind you. As i can tell same sensor, same processor, only difference is fan

[@chloescanlon1107]

The S1H is £2,000 more than the S1 in the UK. I’d happily do without the things in your list for that 🙂