Questioning the Timeline of the Ancient World

[@richardcoplin4103]

Patterns of Evidence has produced the greatest computation of truth based on knowledge and common sense that I ve ever seen. Outstanding!

[@lcmlcm2460]

Cracks me up that archaeologists never listen to anybody else and are always right, except they could never agree with each other 🤔. I believe that we do not have the entire story correct. Good video

[@ethelbertschnitzelesser1214]

So many people rely on the appeal to authority logical fallacy (Phd's know best). they can't let non-elitists appear correct because it tears down their power structure.

[@WhirledPublishing]

If you want the true timeline for our human history, you can find it clearly documented in historic records - the true timeline for our Earth, our human history and the true timeline for our stars is all documented - by our ancestors, going back through history - they tell us that historians, archaeologists, geologists, volcanologists, glaciologists and astronomers are a pack of insane lunatics that don't know the difference between guessing games and reality.

[@surrenderdaily333]

There are very few humans that go around thinking they are wrong or could be wrong. No one is humble enough, least of all people with higher education and/or elitists.

[@jasonmain6398]

​@@ethelbertschnitzelesser1214appealing to authority isn't a fallacy....... A FALSE appeal to authority is a fallacy. Is it fallacious to listen to your doctor?

[@bijou989]

​@@jasonmain6398Yes.

[@lenawagner6405]

Wow, When I studied art and art history in the early 1970's our Professors and lecturers taught us that the Egyptian time periods were misscalculated! It's old news!

[@rogerwilco8146]

yeah it says that. its about fixing it. the show is the man explaining how to fix that completely. ....boomers even liked your boomer comment!

[@tobe2btobe]

I agree. It is a bit misleading to say that Rohls timeline "fixes" it. It doesn't take a genius to see that the Exodus happened much further back in time than the 13th century BC just going by the Biblical account. To Rohl's credit he is right about how we need to reevaluate how we place these events in history as it is very important for us to learn from the past and to do so from a correct perspective.

[@curious968]

@tobe There is no evidence that the Exodus took place. At any time period you want to name. The evidence is that it didn't. The Israelis looked. Hard. They didn't find it when the had the run of the Sinai peninsula for all those years. If you read Numbers as a fundamentalist, without strained apologetics (that don't really work), you end up with far too many people not to leave traces. In fact, it's not even clear that so many people can march from one campsite to another in a single day. Even if you assume a smaller group, as some apologists do, it's still a long period of time to leave no discernable trace for a group that later conquered a wide area. People shed stuff all the time, not always intentionally, and we can find things when they do. If you've ever been to any kind of dig site, you'll see that humans just plain shed stuff. Moreover, they would have had to have figured out some kind of waste dump which would leave a concentrated record. Even charcoal left over from campfires (or whatever they did burn) would leave traces. Not to mention all the people that died -- the Bible makes it very clear there were a lot of people to bury -- a whole generation's worth. Bones survive pretty well in a desert environment. Even if predation happened, plenty of recognizable human bones would be there, all over in fact, even if some were broken. The Israelis knew all of this and more. They still came up empty. Here, you can prove a negative, because when the scripture tells you evidence should be abundant and there is none, then it didn't happen.

[@itsjustnotrue]

@@tobe2btobe There was no exodus mosses never existed the jew were never enslaved

[@judycook4314]

@@tobe2btobe1513 B.C.E.

[@Bildad1976]

Tim, I just wish that you would have asked these Egyptologists "If you discovered that the Egyptian chronology was off by a substantial amount, would you rather take a stand and risk your reputation, or would you rather not 'rock the boat'?

[@shanewilliams5150]

Lol they would. But the flip side is the other side never accepts the finding and say it's an conspiracy 😅

[@skydivingcomrade1648]

Professing to be wise they became fools. Keep up the great work!!!

[@Moodboard39]

L ok

[@bertg74]

Great work by wise professor's who's fooling who

[@barrylyndongurley]

It's hard to imagine how anyone can postulate the likely timelines and dates of events in the Ancient World, but Patterns of Evidence is doing a credible job at reckoning with these issues, and I am grateful to them for their efforts.

[@peachessmith2389]

i saw the first part but never got to see the second part. Now i can share this with everyone who went with me to see part one. Thank you

[@lessanderfer7195]

I was in Israel in late 1982, and went to a Dig Site and was able to talk to the Laborers that actually do all the real work. 2 of the 3 of them had actually helped on the Dig of the Biblical Jericho. And I say "Biblical" Jericho, because at the time, about 10 different ones were known, including the Biblical one. They verified that it had been destroyed as the Bible described, and dated to the time the Bible claimed. I have also watched a couple of Documentaries on the site in the 1990's and early 2000's So, 40 years later, I watch a show with "supposed" experts, claiming that the Biblical Jericho has not ever been found, and talking as if it isn't one of the oldest known cities on earth, as well as being one of, if not THE, most rebuilt city in Human history. Do we every-so-often lose all the knowledge we know, is it automatically hidden after a certain amount of time, do people eventually just forget, is there some kind of "Un-discover what we have discovered, so we can discover it all over again" agenda thingy I don't know about? I have come into contact with many things I did not know, through the internet, but it has also shown me that a lot of information, facts, and knowledge that was ubiquitous for years, for every human from a developed country, is unknown or being "rediscovered" today.

[@Kaz.Klay.]

You know in the UK if it's not a rescue or prior to construction excavation they only allow small amounts and they say it's for two reasons for the technology to improve and to have work for the next generation... I believe the agency is English heritage that regulates and decides what's done where and when

[@Caligula138]

Some sort of Mandella effect ?

[@Kaz.Klay.]

Kinnion was heavily anti bible and there's a trend you'll find with most archeologists that aren't believers... It's always 200 years too early or late and can't possibly be what it is.... For example, look at the David and solomonic city fortifications described in the bible and the squirming of these ppl as they say no it can't be! And they'll say it's 200-300 yrs too early/late... They say bible believers set out to confirm and are wrong but they are anti and will misrepresent the findings to keep their 'myth' position alive... It's hypocrisy of course but worse it's deceitful

[@CrakenFlux]

I thought I was the only one felt that way. It is disconcerting, it lowers my estimation of h. sapiens.

[@moorek1967]

I watched a video of the show Time Team, and they were excavating a street in London that had been heavily bombed and at the time, there were still living witnesses. The Time Team, and Tony, kept saying "we haven't found any evidence yet". So if they are going to do that to a very recent street that people actually were there to remember it, then imagine what they are telling you about the other things. What do you suppose is the reason they denied the finding of Jericho? Because every stone, brick and stick takes an inch away from the devil making people not believe the Bible. And another thing, why do you need the government or scientists to confirm to you what you know? They would deny their own mothers if they thought it meant you believing in God.

[@Chuck8541]

The term everyone is looking for in this clip is, 'academic dogma'.

[@dmr6640]

Having a noted chronologist give credence to the shift in time is a big move forward.

[@Mr.56Goldtop]

This is an excellent documentary! I hope you continue the search, this is too important not to!

[@jamesherron9969]

The fact that archaeology was disregarded and a special field called Egyptology was created to protect their sacred timelines is all the proof you need that Anything from Egyptology should be highly questioned and considered faults until proven so by archaeologists worldwide

[@Pepe_theFurfagFrog]

Many egyptologists staked their careers on the "interpretations" of their predecessors & go into attack mode on those using new discoveries which conflict with their theories. Any science which relies on such "interpretations" is a Social Science, rather than an Exact Science, so it relies on Logical Induction, rather than the more reliable Logical Deduction.

[@jbizzle1966]

This is earth shattering! This means the possibility of the Bible as we know it may not be accurate. I always thought that the Bible may have errors in it and subsequent authors of books may have based their testimony on flawed data. Or may have changed it to make it fit. Maybe the council of Nicea changed a few things?

[@FairAndBalanced07]

Uncovering our true past is/will be quite the double edged sword. Good luck to us all.

[@jamesherron9969]

@@jbizzle1966 the council changed a lot you can actually go online now and read the Dead Sea scrolls which were written and buried before the council of nicea and everything in the Bible actually comes from Mesopotamia the epic of Gilgamesh is the original story of Noah

[@anwealde]

this is nothing compared to the hoops creationists have to jump through

[@ErikPehrsson]

@33:58, I did this when taking History Before 1877 in college. All the Pharos and such lines up perfectly with the Bible and it was incredible!

[@dustinblake3115]

I’ve long considered that most ancient civilizations share commonalities because technology was much more advanced than we’ve given the people of the period credit for. Especially as it pertains to seafaring and trade. I take genesis 11 into account for this, and it would explain the dispersion of the period. I believe genesis 41 was a major turning point for the world and was the cause of one of the greatest mass extinction events in history aside from the flood. It would explain the death of all these other sister civilizations as Egypt flourished and grew.

[@robmerrill3460]

"hasn't been formerly trained in Egyptology" simply means hasn't been trained to accept our findings as infallible"

[@AsusMemopad-us5lk]

Exactly. If you expressed any misgivings during that formal training then you were flunked out of the program, and still "didn't receive any formal training."

[@bethbartlett5692]

Welcoming the *"Questioning of the Mainstream Academic Narrative, for the greater Facts, is a manifestation of one of my desires, particularly doing so frim the Higher Mind, which is key."* *I appreciate this and I subscribed to support this Channel.*

[@darenyoung1872]

You also have to possibly to consider that some of the leaders in charge could change the calendar dates to suit them .

[@sepo3451]

The comment by Kent Weeks starting around 8:20 shows exactly what the problem is: if one was to change the chronology of the egyptian history, it would also have to be accepted by scholars from all the other eastern and near eastern studies - in other words, such a change will face the combined "fight-back" of everybody who has ever published or worked in those areas. This is probably the best explanation why archeology narratives and timelines hardly ever change - there are too many people involved who published books, made their thesis or held conferences on false bases.

[@oekmama]

But wouldn’t they be able to sell more books, when they revise their books?

[@elisejaudon925]

​@@oekmamaYes but who wants to buy a book from a group that's been wrong, wrong ,wrong ? How can anyone believe the new dates? So by keeping the farce up they also get to keep their all knowing attitude.

[@oekmama]

@@elisejaudon925 that’s a point. Sad but true.

[@johnwhitehurst474]

Exactly, when you base your predictions on others projection and hang your life long career on it you want budge. So ignore them. I never bought Egyptians' built the pyramids they carved on them, but never built them, and that changes the timeline considerable. I am not an egyptologist nore a bible chaser just common sense if one looks. They never had the tools to carve Granite? There were other races of man Before ADAM and EVE do not mix them, that is the problem. Proof who did Cain marry? Who did God kill in the flood? Seems there were other floods which was the Biblical one, pin it down.

[@curious968]

What it means is that for the proposed time shift to be true, it would have to interlock with what we learned was happening elsewhere. Which were learned from separate documents and synchronized with other events. Suppose someone claimed to have evidence that the US Civil War was in 1660 not 1860. Now, suppose you are a scholar in possession of documents from one of King George III's parliaments debating whether to recognize the Confederate states of America or not. You have every reason to believe that what you have is not made up and what's worse, you have other documents showing Napoleon III is ruling France. Which buttresses the conventional claim of the 1860s. Do you pull English and French history back two hundred years or do you look for another answer?

[@BiblicalArchaeologyAR]

This video should be translated into multiple languages.

[@brandonmalone1893]

Definitely English

[@kevinsinclairsk]

The science is never settled.

[@solidsnx]

I just read 3 different translations of the Ipuwer papyrus. It's a HUGE leap to say that it corresponds to the biblical plagues in any way.

[@solidsnx]

@@hexagongroup Not a chance. You clearly didn't read it. Not even close. You must be from the Joseph Smith school of Egyptian translation.

[@markd3250]

I'm only 9 minutes in, and already I'm finding this VERY interesting. I've spent many many years studying all this, and trying to make the pieces of the puzzle fit. There's so much confusion and inaccuracies, it's like walking through a hall of distorted mirrors, and trying to find the one mirror that has the true image. What nobody seems to look at or consider, is the nature and character of the people themselves. That too is evidence, and since that's the origin of what they did and left behind, it needs to be taken into consideration in order to even get close to a reasonably accurate historical time line. Good video!

[@johnrathbun2943]

The problem is and you mentioned it and that is you are looking for the un-distorted mirror from all the distorted mirrors. In the beginning the historians told stories in a manner that they wanted them to be heard. They had agendas which influenced their version of history. Now days we have rules that must be adhered to. So to look back means we can get the jist of history but not the truth. And this is why we have the truth, gospel truth, hear say and my version of the truth.

[@bosse641]

Unbelievers will do everything to not validate God's word. And the father of lies, that mighty force in the unseen realm, will aid them in that.

[@slsteinman292]

The story of Esther is also shifted out of its proper historical context, though by a lesser amount than the proposed Egyptian chronology displacement.

[@AsusMemopad-us5lk]

References/ links/ details please?

[@magnuszerum9177]

The Pharaoh of Exodus was not the firstborn, had his firstborn die on the first Passover, and died a short time later in the Red Sea. From what we know about Amenhotep I, he matches all of those features. If you wish to choose a different Pharaoh, you need to find one that fits those descriptions. See Ex 12:29-30 & Ex 14:23-28.

[@dazdavis7896]

It’s Amenhotep II. Not Amenhotep I…. Amenhotep II came directly after Thutmose. Who was the pharaoh still reigning after 40 years when Noah returned to Egypt. Only TWO pharaohs in Egyptian dynastic history have EVER ruled 40-50+ years. And Thutmose III (literally regarded as the greatest pharaoh in the history of Egypt and one of the greatest militaristic minds of the ancient world) JUST so happens to be one of those two; he ruled for 54 years. And the “young and arrogant” pharaoh that had just come into power that was the pharaoh of the exodus was Amenhotep II…. And he-The pharaoh Amenhotep-absolutely DID NOT die in the Red Sea at all the Bible absolutely does not state that; his army was drowned. Not pharaoh himself. HE crawled back to Egypt with his tail between his legs in defeat. Like he literally went out and conquered over 101,000 new slaves at one single time in the spring right after the exodus occurred. Which was a blatantly unheard of number of conquer-ees at one single time back then. And it was done so completely OUT of conquering season (which was the fall; the exodus took place after the first Passover in the spring). He did that to attempt to replace some of the slaves they lost when the Hebrews exited the land.. We’ve even found the his stele. And the name of his heir is literally scratched out and replaced. Because his firstborn son died in the 10th plague on that first Passover.

[@animayz7706]

That's what it think too.. amenhotep1 dad was ahmose and is attributed to expelling the hyksos... cannanites. And amenhoteps son died. Amenhotep1 grave is unknown and he had no children successors.

[@richardbigouette3651]

These are all pretty good suggestions. I'm not familiar enough with the dynasties to agree or disagree, however.

[@tydy5266]

It actually might be Dudimose. Watch David Rohl's analysis of the archaelogical and biblical evidence. @@dazdavis7896

[@itsjustnotrue]

Exodus never happen Moses never existed and the Jew were never slaves in Egypt. A group called the Hyksos came from Canaan (jews), overran Egypt, were driven out, went back to Canaan, and ultimately settled in Jerusalem. The whole Exodus story is a face saving exercise

[@elmerfudd2463]

Truth based on the evidence should be what we're all after. Great video!

[@jay-by1se]

I can’t even imagine a more disgraced group of people than Egyptologist. I feel like at this point they’re just the laughingstock of the world.

[@maszkalman3676]

not really these screeching alternative historans are more laughable but given egyptologists gat the shit end of the stick also mainly because bureocracy since from the 1990's until today so 2023 barely a few 5 -8 full sale investigation happened msot of them can't be published still since they don't ge tthe "right papers" from the egyptian government or lots of egyptologist needed to make a 3-4 days digs which is laughably short time to find anything.

[@MorallyGreyWolf]

Wow! I 100% think you guys on to something here! The timeline needs revision and has for sometime. As far as Velokovsky goes he had some intriguing ideas that extended beyond Egyptology. We shouldn't be so dismissive of him. Sometimes it takes an outsider to reignite the fires of learning and challenge us with new ideas.

[@kualabear]

“It creates more problems than it solves” ; the truth usually does.

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

What? That makes no sense. Truth solves problems...

[@cringefest8778]

It depends on how controversial the truth is really.

[@maszkalman3676]

it it creates problems it's not right so it needs to be re-examined and if there is still problems it won't fit in so it's wrong..

[@evancombs5159]

​@@toomanyhobbies2011 yes, assuming you are not correcting a false assumption that a bunch of other false assumptions are based upon. If you have a bunch of false assumptions all dependent on a single false assumption it will often reveal a bunch of issues that will need to be corrected. That is the crux of the issue. There is a domino effect here that needs to be rectified before scholars will take it seriously.

[@stephenmiller-wb2ul]

Thanks for saying BC instead of BCE. Changing the way, we say this is an attack on Christianity like Merry X-Mas many years ago.

[@curious968]

Xmas is not an attack, it is an abbreviation. What we call X the Greeks call Chi and, yes, it is the ch sound in Christ. You might see an X and P intertwined in some churches. That's because the Greek P is called rho, our "r" sound, so the XP is for Christ. There is a very long history of Christianity in Greek using Greek script. Xmas is not an attack nor is it "removing" Christ. The X is instead an ancient abbreviation for Christ.

[@baberoot1998]

Christmas is of pagan origins. Christ claims to be, "Truth"...literally. There is no Truth in Christmas. Therefore...Christ cannot be a part of it. Santa doesn't exist. The Yule Log comes directly from paganism. There are many other..."Non-truths" about Christmas. Christians simply incorporated pagan traditions with Christ...made up a bunch of lies...and claimed it was "Christian". Nope...Christmas is lies...something Christ cannot be a part of.

[@aurafireheart]

@@curious968huh I didn't know that! That's super neat to know! Which makes sense since, as far as I am aware, the common language of Jesus' day was Greek. So it makes sense.

[@itsjustnotrue]

It's not an attach on Christianity it simply acknowledges that most of the world does not follow Christianly and there for would never use the term BC

[@DavidWalls-sr1pg]

​@@itsjustnotruethe term bce makes no sense

[@cowtoyscbc]

Note : Amenhotep II and the Historicity of the Exodus-Pharaoh by Douglas Petrovich.

[@GGable]

Right on, Petrovich is the man!

[@unrealuknow864]

Ahmose 1. The Exodus is the same as the Hyksos expulsion. 1550bc

[@itsjustnotrue]

@@unrealuknow864 correct the Canaanites (jew's) were the invaders not slaves

[@peteperkins3859]

There's only one reliable witness to ancient history. I'll believe Him before listening to men.

[@johnf4531]

Thank you for providing truth, or at least another possible truth, in a static and bias world which only teaches one side of a perceived truth. The attempts to keep people locked into one way of historical presentation have been successful in another negative outcome. Our lack of critical thinking and problem solving has been destroyed by pounding these highly suspect "facts" throughout our education of the youth, our future teachers and leaders!

[@clarekuehn4372]

It's the truth

[@justanothercomment416]

Egypt is roughtly 13,000 years old. That's why both the mainstream and biblical accounts are confirmed as completely wrong and don't align with what we can confirm. The Great Flood was 11,800 years ago. That's today called the Younger Dryas Event. The geological and archaeological record we substantiates this position. As does stellar alignment. As does building alignment. As does building position. Anything which doesn't align with roughly 13,000 years ago is a fabrication.

[@Stupidityindex]

Gunnar Heinsohn established a blind test for testing archeology chronology & proved 700 years was fiction inserted into the first 1000 years AD.

[@outlawedmedia4336]

@@clarekuehn4372 Theories. It's not truth just because it sound delightsome.

[@Laura-dc3vi]

Very well stated.

[@M0rmagil]

Adjusting the timeline would negate a lot of work done, and we can’t have that. That 300 year shift solves a lot of other problems throughout the ancient world, and pretend it that it doesn’t because it would upset your established work isn’t intellectually honest. It is, however, very human.

[@ShannaNL]

On the other hand, shifting a timeline from the established timeline to fit your beliefnarrative is just as dishonest and human.

[@M0rmagil]

@@ShannaNLstop projecting, I made no such assertion. I’m saying that I agree with Roehl’s alternative interpretation of the data, because it fits with so many data points. There is a good explanation of why the normative timeline was established in error, with the specific error identified. Remember, science often advances one funeral at a time.

[@ShannaNL]

@@M0rmagil Hahahaha aren't you full of yourself. When you state something it's all good and intellectual. When I can take your 'intellectual' remark and show the other side of it, it's projecting. No sweety. It was a dumbass remark by a shortsighted person thinking he's smart.

[@maszkalman3676]

@@M0rmagil Yes you did in your comment.... it's not jsut need to fit soo many??? how much is that so many 3-4 it needs to line up with almsot all the datas times every discovered artifacts and it's not so the "mainstream" is still closer to that....

[@1969cmp]

This most important chronology is the Biblical timeline. The genealogical records in the Bible are well ordered and we have a reasonable timeframe for David, Solomon and the first temple.

[@memine3704]

LOL. There's 2 in there, and they differ. Hardly 'well ordered'. Smh.

[@PompeyBoy66]

I'm enjoying this. A fair examination. The bible chronology and archaeology chronology have to agree: its reasonable to say an ancient chronology is 200 years out.

[@carolrosecarlson5585]

I love this series! The devil is definitely influencing those scholars who refuse to see what is plainly before them. It is how he spreads false (incorrect) knowledge in order to discredit the Bible.

[@jperez7893]

It is more and more important to dig up and publish all astronomical observations recorded by the ancient world. Namely, the assyrian, hittite, Egyptian, greek and every near East astronomical data so as to synchronize the dates of historical events accurately

[@WhirledPublishing]

That's not necessary because the true timeline for our stars and for our Earth's history and the true timeline for our human history is documented in hundreds of historic records, written in dozens of languages from all across our Earth - that timeline is then corroborated by thousands of other independent sources - but since most prefer their programming and indoctrination - since most prefer to life a life of lies that's so detached from reality as to render them insane, very few care about the truth.

[@Standing.W.Israel]

People can't accept the truth based on all the proof we have now, no astronomical evidence is going to change anything. To think otherwise is being intellectually dishonest.

[@GhostScout42]

I assume its there and published ...

[@digitalnomad9985]

@@WhirledPublishing "not necessary" Any more OBJECTIVE verification of the chronology is welcome scientifically. There are gaps in the chronologies and anomalies. People can make mistakes and lie. Cosmology works flawlessly like clockwork.

[@WhirledPublishing]

​@@digitalnomad9985 There are no gaps - the entire timeline is documented - including the true timeline for the "prehistoric" creatures and the explanation for why they suddenly appeared and rapidly disappeared ... The true timeline for the eruption of Yellowstone is also documented, along with the eruption of dozens of other supervolcanoes - all in the same night - as thousands of smaller volcanoes erupted across five continents ... The true timeline for the eruption of Santorini and Vesuvius is also documented - by numerous independent sources... The true timeline Mexico's Copper Canyon is documented, the true timeline for Tibet's Great Canyon is documented and the true timeline for the Grand Canyon in the usa is also documented, along with the forces responsible ... The timeline for the Yucatan Peninsula is documented, along with the forces responsible, the timeline for the Arabian, Italian, Iberian, Floridian and Olympian peninsulas, etc. The true timeline for the ice sheets is documented - the true timeline for our Earth's expansion is also documented, the true timeline for the continents, oceans, mountains, cataclysms ... it's all documented by our ancestors... All you have to do is study the historic documents ... which includes the timeline for the Siberian and Deccan Traps, the timeline for the cataclysms known as Nuuanu and Eltanin and the cataclysm that formed the Red Sea, the Persian Gulf and so on ... If you're not a Doctoral Scholar with over 50 years of research, if you haven't compiled thousands of independent sources, documented in dozens of languages from all across our Earth, if you don't have a high level genius IQ and dozens of impressive achievements that corroborate the test scores, you shouldn't expect to know about the evidence - because you haven't done the research - and you shouldn't expect your evil overlords will tell you the truth - since they've siphoned 99% of the world wealth into their control while relegating billions of babies and children, teens and adults into horrifying suffering in the tortures of poverty without a decent bed to sleep in, without a decent bathroom, without adequate nutrition, without clean drinking water and without transportation ... Since the billionaires have exposed themselves as evil incarnate, you shouldn't rely on their books and magazines and movies to tell you the truth.

[@michaelduffer7015]

They dont even mention that egyption history were guilty of not disclosing what actually happened because of the narrative of their national history. The exodus was a major embarrassment to this Egyptian nation.

[@curious968]

So, if the Exodus happened, where are the bodies? The Bible describes a very large cohort wandering the desert for 40 years and some incidents with large death counts. But, even ignoring that, it's a lot of people and unquestionably a lot of death. Bodies in uncounted numbers should be turning up all over the desert. Evidence of latrines and cooking, garbage disposal as well. All well beyond the ability of anyone to erase. Where are they? I never hear about their discovery. Especially when the Israelies ran the place.

[@clarekuehn4372]

Velikovsky was the FATHER of this position. Don't put him down. Just because he might be a bit wrong, that is not a reason to hate Velikovsky. HE RAISED IPUWER PAPYRUS. Rohl separately confirms in large part, but superficially discounts and does not credit with the basic insight, I agree with Rohl and also am horrified, disappointed that Velikovsky is not named. ❤ You need to read Velikovsky! He was approximately correct in the big ideas AND fascinating.

[@ThrashLawPatentsAndTMs]

do you have a link, Clare? By the way, this video is not David's video or editorial work -- my understanding is that he was interviewed for over 70 hours for this brief appearance. He's been advocating this issue since the late 1980s.

[@ks5553]

@@ThrashLawPatentsAndTMs The best summary of Velikovsky's ideas (other than his own books, which change a little over the years as he updated his theories) is a book called "The Velikovsky Heresies" by Laird Scranton. It takes many of his theories and predictions, and compares them to many more recent discoveries. Turns out he was right about way more than he gets credit for. The few things he got wrong were used to dismiss his entire body of work.

[@curious968]

Velikovsky wasn't "a little bit wrong", he was almost completely wrong. I was alive when "Worlds in Collision" had its moment. It was torn to shreads in multiple ways by multiple people. It was amazingly wrong while sounding plausible to lay folks. Accordingly, I have heard little about him for 40 or 50 years. If I was making an argument that even accidentally agreed with any of his, I would double and triple check my work.

[@v1e1r1g1e1]

Well said! Brava!!!

[@NONANTI]

These guys are debating a 200 year discrepancy while others are talking about a 20,000 year discrepancy in accepted history.

[@maszkalman3676]

which is bulslhit it has 0 factual evidence for that

[@ToddSauve]

I am now 65 and have been a Bible believing Christian for almost 40 years. The problems I have found with "academics" from almost every university and archaeological institute is that they are above all vain people seeking the approval of their peers. For them to say they believe the Biblical sequence of events and dates would leave them feeling embarrassed in front of their fellow "academics" and they seek the approval of men and not of God. So they are idolaters. They will howl in outrage at such an honest appraisal of how craven they are but it is not merely me saying this, it is the God of the Bible. Just read what the apostle Paul wrote about these types in Romans chapter 1:23 "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools." Moreover, David Rohl remaining an agnostic is not a position God will accept as an excuse from _anyone!_ Again, the apostle Paul reveals what God's view of this is in Romans chapter 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse ..." A creation _demands_ a Creator and I sincerely hope than anyone who thinks it doesn't will turn around and admit they are completely wrong. 🤔🤷‍♂🤨

[@KimberlyMorrisonMcClintock]

I agree! Bravo🙏

[@ToddSauve]

@@KimberlyMorrisonMcClintock Thank you Kimberly. I hope your day is going great!

[@itsjustnotrue]

The problem with Christians is they are vain people seeking the approval of there fake god. The Bile is a book of fantasy, written by men

[@csmoviles]

Thank you for your ministry 🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖🙏

[@manfrommaine]

I find it amazing how these archeologists and historians will speak in absolute terms. The study of the past is NOT a hard science. Even in the hard sciences, we learn that things we once thought were fundamental often turn out to be otherwise. These people are not speaking from a place of dispassionate observation but from a place of ideological belief.

[@maszkalman3676]

Still even if it's wrong your new theories needs to be supported with evidence not runnig around like a headless chicken screaming bloody murder that historians lying to yout thousands of years.... because that's the energy i saw almost all of these alternative history videos...

[@timhazeltine3256]

​@@maszkalman3676Absolutely correct

[@AndthenthereisCencorship-xc6yi]

David spells it out exactly right! It is that way in other disciplines, too. anything considered "unorthodox" or at odds, is maligned.

[@tauniafemrite2963]

The issue is ppl will do anything to deny God & the words of the Bible. Just as it says in His word. It's not even worth arguing w/ these ppl who are on disproving the existence of God. Sadly everyone, no one is exempt, will learn the truth of God upon death. Strange how the religion must attacked is Christianity. It doesn't really matter what twisting or torturing of the truth is done cuz truth is truth. It's too bad that these over educated scientist don't allow themselves to believe what is true. Believing what is in God's word allows everything to fall in perfect placement.

[@talmania1]

All we need to do is look for all the nations in Egypt's region, and what their history tells us about those Egyptian dark ages, and we'll know the names of all the Pharos that ruled Egypt in those "dark days", which can't be dark if they continued to have Pharos rulling them in that period. The ipwar papyrus is a lamentation and grief about the destruction of Egypt and the open possibility of a foreign invasion, after God has destroyed Egypt in a series of natural catastrophies one after the other, and it is written at the same period of the exodus, just after the Israelites left, and before the conquest of Egypt by the Hyksos, which took the opportunity when they saw that Egypt is vulnerable.

[@gerrythorington7332]

Honesty and scholarship, especially as it relates to Egyptology and study of the so-called Levant, has always been incongruent concepts.

[@Mr05Chuck]

Don’t know the final answer, but Hoffmier is who I disagree with most. The 1,200 BC Rameses date is really easy to refute.

[@v1e1r1g1e1]

''They're looking in the wrong place!'' - [You know the movie. ]

[@lme2152]

This video is a great example of scholars being stuck in the box. ..."too much work, Plus we'd have to admit we're wrong."

[@maszkalman3676]

Also a great example that alternate historians can handvawe away any criticism they get by saying oh you are government shill or sheep etc. but they give you 0 factual evindence or find ruins or any phisical items to date or be per reviewed this is jsut trust me bro nothing else.

[@cjf800]

The solution - that Rohl and Kitchen work side by side and together establish and re write what the real history is that’s in line with archaeology!

[@Logic807]

A scholar commented that it is important to look at patterns as timelines fluctuates. For scholars, students who have already committed their years of studies and careers to certainties in their dates, rethinking will be a big problem. Follow the money.

[@richardsherman9963]

The lengths some people will go to trying to make history conform to their pre-conceived beliefs rather than starting with the observable evidence, reliable recorded dates (written or excavated remains) and archaeological science rather than admit they had it wrong

[@bobthebuilder9553]

The truth is somewhere in the middle of all these experts. I tend to side with the hypothesis backed by Egyptologist David Rohl. As an agnostic he is also more interested in the evidence and less, perhaps in making the bible fit into the events of the official narrative. His is an interesting hypothesis.

[@leeguest1664]

My grandfather love this stuff he believed in god but not the bible he told me you would not belive whats out there an how long mankind has been around an he drove me insane but i do miss our chats this reminds me of him👍

[@sheystolz1960]

How very exciting!

[@JamesArnold-g9e]

It is so weird that presented with excellent evidence, most will dismiss it out right. Present them with a triangle 🔺and they look at it and say, "No it can not be possible. Every body knows it's a square 🟥. "But your looking at it. Don't you want to reconsider?" "No, it is a square🟥".

[@MR2Davjohn]

One of the biggest reasons for the Egyptian timeline is that there are errors in pharaohs, the times they reigned, and whether they ever reigned. Archeology will tell us that the Exodus occurred in 1280-1310 B.C. A Biblical timeline is not as clear as we would want it to be. A counting of phases of times indicate the Exodus to occur in either 2001 B.C. or 1450 B.C.

[@clarekuehn4372]

What about the Philistines "problem" with Rohl's chronology? Please cover that. (Byant Wood)

[@ThrashLawPatentsAndTMs]

Please define "the Philistine problem"?

[@kingdompreparation6943]

Maybe a stupid and ignorant question, but why do they "pin" history past to Egyptian history? Especially if it has gaps and other histories, just as detailed, have to be "adjusted" to fit the Egyptian chronology, there is a problem right there.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

Egyptian chronologies are by far the most complete and consistent. Only natural to pin other chronologies to Egyptian history rather than the other way around.

[@thomasdykstra100]

@@sirrathersplendid4825 , rather presumptive now, aren't we?

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

@@thomasdykstra100 - I didn’t say the Egyptian chronologies are correct. Just that they’re a pre-existing measuring rod, whereas for most of the very ancient world all we have is short sections of self-consistent chronology. Hopefully, as more datum points are found in Near Eastern records it will be possible to correct errors in the Egyptian chronologies.

[@curiositycloset2359]

@@thomasdykstra100 it's pretty obvious that you would use the longest continuous civilisations history

[@stevethomasbrown]

Excellent Video!!!

[@MrFreezook]

What a way to put it! He said wait for old scholars to die out !? & then says he's not a rebel ? LOL

[@surrenderdaily333]

Even if one was raised from the dead, they will not believe... THEY do NOT have a chronology that is set in "stone" because everything that is not planted by the Father shall be rooted up. The ROCK will come and break into dust their, "sacred stone of Egypt's chronology". Wonderful work you all are doing in this field. Trying to break up the fallow ground of Egyptology is a lot of work, but I see progress! Praise God!

[@maszkalman3676]

The oldest verisons of the bible there is no resurrection story at all

[@AndthenthereisCencorship-xc6yi]

Pharaohs and Kings was great series!

[@leefoster4133]

The exodus occurred around 1500 bc during the reign of Ahmose I. It was called "the expulsion of the Hyksos". Bronze Age Jericho fell in the 16th century at the end of the Middle Bronze Age, the calibrated carbon remains from its City-IV destruction layer dating to 1617-1530 BCE. Then you have Minoan eruption of around 1570-1546 BC to 1539-1514 BC. If you tie all of that together and narrow the date scope then you will have it. Because all three of these events are tied together.

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

Sorry, the israelites were no rulers who were driven out of egypt. It is more likely that the hyksos came when the israelites had left and egypt was down and defenseless.

[@itsjustnotrue]

@@fiktivhistoriker345 Archaeologists scoured the Sinai, looking for evidence of the Israelite wandering, which during a period of forty years must have left evidence, especially as every Israelite who left Egypt as an adult supposedly died and would have been buried there. This search was another puzzling failure. Meanwhile, archaeologists were looking for evidence of the Israelite conquest of the Canaanite cities. Kathleen Kenyon’s excavations at Jericho, during the second half of the twentieth century, proved that there was no destruction resulting from a Late Bronze Age invasion. Gradually, other archaeologists, working at other sites, reached similar conclusions. The ultimate conclusion was that there was no unified conquest of the Canaanite cities at any time in the Late Bronze Age. By the early years of the present century, most historians were beginning to realise that there had been no biblical Exodus from Egypt and no Israelite conquest of the Promised Land. Archaeologists were even reporting evidence that the Israelites were rural Canaanites who had left the region of the rich coastal cities to create a new life in what had been a sparsely populated hinterland. History now leaves no room for the legendary Moses, except perhaps as a leader of a small group of escaping slaves whose story, if he existed at all, was blown out of proportion to make him one of the founders of the nation. Nearly all historians` now believe that there was no Exodus from Egypt as portrayed in the Bible.

[@jonathanquiles82]

That's the voice of Kevin Sorbo......

[@Jack-vy2vx]

“Scholars” seem to think that because they’ve studied a subject in depth, it simultaneously sharpened their “logical aptitude and sharpness”, far from it. Their “knowledge” often masquerades itself as indubitable truth. Because you “know” something doesn’t necessarily mean you understand and have the correct conclusions.

[@RussellStrosnider]

The bottom line is that most archeologists don't want to trust the Bible as a reliable source for the same reason that society at large doesn't. It would require them to acknowledge God's existence and they would become accountable. Any archeologist who calls the Bible a collection of myths doesn't deserve the time of day. As Paul said, "they willfully close their eyes and refuse to acknowledge God."

[@donmills2167]

Amen , my friend, exquisitely eloquent in simplicity!

[@scheibs556]

Very well put

[@richardho8283]

Messenger not important. Message is important. The biggest deceivers deceive themselves and then capable to deceive others.

[@sidekickbob7227]

Any archeologist that trust the bible as a reliable source, doesn't deserve the time of the day.....

[@hannobaali_makendali]

The TOP line is that the bibLIE is a fraudulent document compendium. Especially that first few books called the Torah. Cain was the real original Adam. AND it was Ab'EL (Set) the Younger Shepherd who assaulted Khain (Osiris) the EL'der FarMoor, not the other way around.

[@ReRe-yl6dq]

use the Septuagint dating for anything older than Joseph not the masoretic text dating and alot more lines up as well as pushing Egyptology dating up 200 years.

[@mospeada1152]

I believe the Bible is a book of 'history' containing a collection of stories passed down through the ages, so to compare it to an actual dated time line is fanciful at best. That said, there is likely a lot we still don't really know about the Egyptian timeline as they only ever seem to focus on the more recent period and not the previous eras.

[@curious968]

Have you been to just about any museum anywhere in the world that covers Egyptian history? A few specialize, but a surprising number cover the whole history. As far as I know, scholarship continues in all areas of Egyptian history. It's just that more recent times have more surviving artifacts. But that is true everywhere.

[@skepticalfaith5201]

If you really look at what the Bible *says* it reads like a genealogical history. It is probably the most accurate timeline, yet secularists refuse to acknowledge it. Even as alternative historians are agreeing on the Flood, the 3 branches of DNA, the origin of wine from the area around Mt Ararat I think it even accounts for Bright Insight’s contention of the Eye of the Sahara being Atlantis. Genesis records that ~500 years after the Flood “the land was divided”. Seeing as how it is very close to the Atlantic, I can easily imagine how the division could have caused a tidal wave that wiped out the city and much/most of Atlantis Kingdom.

[@christinelavoie2830]

Question everything who’ve been taught/told. It is in ‘ not knowing’ that truth reveals itself. Innocent mind. Forthgiving mind, right mind.

[@torahtimes5380]

The date for the entry into the land is 1592 BC . It requires no revision of Jericho carbon dating, and no revision of conventional Egyptian Chronology for the 12th dynasty downward. The the long biblical chronology was known by Josephus and has 612 years from the Exodus to the building of the Temple. The question to ask is WHY DOES NO ONE CONSIDER JOSEPHUS' LONG CHRONOLOGY?

[@sonofyahweh8]

The Exodus came to pass in 1,500 BC. 50 Jubilees from creation.

[@HayatSherzoi]

I love what you said ❤ thank you so much ❤

[@surferdude4487]

"This is the way things happened" Oh really? Were you there? How do you know? "Evidence seems to indicate" That's the scientific method at work. Also, I'm pretty sure that there are written records that have not yet been found. Keep looking.

[@adriaanbertdeveldeharsenhorst]

Imagine the Sahara desert once was lush, green and inhabited. The size of the USA. And only a few square miles have been dug into near the river Nile. On millionth of one percent.

[@johnnyb7628]

With some logic, I can explain very easily why we have "little evidence" of the exodus. Yes, Egypt was great at keeping records. However, if the plagues happened and the phararo was killed by drowning in the red sea, it's very safe to assume Egypts society was on the verge of collapse. People would be fighting for food, not writing down events. Even scribes get hungry. It's simple logic. The bible also says Egypt was heavily damaged after the Exodus. After Egypt recovered, it makes sense that they would want to forget that chapter of history.

[@blusheep2]

Actually this wouldn't necessarily be the case. First, the Bible never says that Pharaoh himself drowned in the sea. The story suggests that his chariots arrived before his foot soldiers did. The troops of chariots pursued the Israelites into the sea and were drowned. It never says Pharaoh died. Second, the plagues were short lived and didn't effect all of Egypts food supplies. Egypt had multiple food sources, so at best Egypt went on a skinnier diet until the next harvest cycle and they would have been back to normal. Now the reason we don't have anything written down is more likely this... Most of the inscriptions we have from Egypt come from their temples and palaces. Temples were made to honor their gods and Palaces to honor their kings. They didn't record failures on these walls. Papyrus was plentiful in Egypt and they used it often but it rarely lasts more then a 100 years or so. The Egyptians would record their day to day activities on what are called day scrolls. We have very few Egyptian day scrolls. For instance, in Ramese II's reign, which is one of the longest in Egyptian history, we have ZERO day scrolls. We don't have records of the plagues and the Exodus because they didn't survive.

[@paleogeology9554]

A painter is proof of a painter, a building is proof of a building and you are proof of God. How you can think that this just all happened for no reason is truly sad. people with these ways of thinking are missing a life they could only dream of. The greatest lie Satan ever told man was that he isnt real! As it is written : Many of my children shall perish because of lack of knowledge!

[@SheikhN-bible-syndrome]

Talk about moving the goal post

[@braudhadoch3432]

See, in the academic world, your whole life relies on your ability to be right and correct. They have much to lose. But these people, are not governed by those odds and consequences, so when it comes down to it you have to go with academia solely becuase of the culture that rules over it.

[@danielabbey7726]

Gerald E. Aardsma, a Christian biblical chronologist, has evidence that the Exodus occurred in 2450 BC. His main point is that the Judges period is really 1,000 years longer than currently accepted, due to a transcription error in the Old Testament. Strange that his research was not mentioned!

[@Dave183]

Through levering a conflation of of people and events- it is possible to link the history of Egypt with Israel. Some juggling of dates and events. The Battle of Kadesh would be a good focus... Sarah, obviously, was both the wife and the sister of, Abraham. Joseph was pivotal too, a generation ahead of Abraham...

[@palehorse24681]

Simcha Jacobovici came out with a special in nat geo over 10yrs ago saying that you had to shift the time lines in order for the exodus to fit properly. Must be true because you never saw him on television again. They did the same thing to Scott Walter when he started talking about pyramids and templars in america.

[@curious968]

How does one tell the difference between a brilliant idea that is suppressed from a crackpot idea that was so embarrassing, it never got a second broadcast?

[@helgeevensen856]

wow... fantastic video... 👍

[@elijahhodges4405]

Science, including the science of archeology and history is not science if you are unwilling to investigate the problems.

[@mrstevecox7]

If there is a "new Egyptian chronology", not based on accepted dates of 200 years ago, but based on evidence that we have today, perhaps we could see it becoming more widely discussed? It is a complex construction, but could it not be done "as if there had never been a chronology known about"? It would be best to date these ancient events using independent means (e.g. carbon-dating, dendrochronology) rather than building backwards so the whole structure depends on one or two dated events.

[@thomasdykstra100]

Steve, those two "independent means" you reference--"carbon-dating, dendrochronology"--are themselves only hypothetical 'standards'; they are not reliable hard sciences, which prove regular and consistent in practical method and outcome but, rather, depend upon a soothsayer's cajolery to "properly read" their troubling variability in laboratory results. You must pursue two paths in establishing what is objectively true: Within the critical counsel of others, you must admit corroborative witnesses, however "disturbing" they may be to an hypothesis, and you must evade any and all concessions to hypotheses made without diligent trial.

[@garyjene9146]

Simca Jacobovici goes through all that what you talk about in his show 'The mystery of the Lost Ark of the Covenant' and The Exodus. Part of the evidence he says that helps date the time of the exodus was when the volcano on the island of Santorini blew and the exodus went through a sea of reeds and NOT the Red Sea (which was due to a mistranslation) and there was a connection to Hiksos which the Egyptian government is covering up the evidence. The evidence he found suggests the exodus happened around the timeline of 1400-1500 BCE

[@TheCrystallineAnunna]

Every African I've known have been polite and dignified. African-Americans...it's a roll of the dice. And not all non-black people hold negative opinions...and not all white folks had slaves. Southern Democrats had the corner on that. Historical fact.

[@owezone4804]

Thank you Abba for removing the scales from my eyes & giving me the faith to believe or I'd be Nebbachanezzer wandering in a field eating grass.. I'm not referring to Tim Mahoney as I know he's a born again believer

[@agnesjasmine1054]

I just love them.

[@johnrathbun2943]

I seen a video about the history of Europe and in that video they stated that there is 300 years that are unaccounted for. That their time line doesn't add up. And there is alot of writing back then that can account for what was going on. Than in other countries that didn't do alot of writing all the time and we are trying to figure out when they happen exactly. Well I say that is an improbability. I believe if we can get it down to 10 years then we should call it good enough and accept that thats as good as it will get. Its not like what happened 600 years ago will drastically change today!

[@michaelduffer7015]

They need to forget all that they were taught and start with a fresh opened mind.

[@mark.J6708]

Much, much older than people think.

[@rogeralanguitar296]

The Exodus Pharoh Explained video should put this all to redt.

[@rainerlanglotz3134]

David Rohl tried to shorten egyptian timeline in order ot fit it with the (shortened) masoretic text. Why not taking the septuagint as the correct biblical chronology and leave the egyptian timeline as it is?

[@jeandiatasmith4512]

I would love to see what it looks like if we take the other histories, that are based on the current Egypt timeline, and shift them along as well. What's the picture look like then? And do any of the so called anomalies fit in the gaps and/or confirm the timeline?

[@canadiankewldude]

Most of the Bronze Age Collapse would simply disappear.

[@westwoodnik]

@@canadiankewldude 'Disappear'? How so do you mean?

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

It works with Troy and the trojan war. In the established chronology it goes together with the roaming of the sea people during the reign of Ramses III. and the end of the bronze age kingdoms. But sources indicate that after the war the mycenean kingdom still existed. Now it is plausible that there were two wars. The "homeric" trojan war around 1200 BCE and the second around 900.

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

​@@westwoodnikHistorians wondered what happend during the following centuries, the "dark ages". Now these dark ages were much shorter.

[@freyahah290]

Hi, please google "Bronze Age Collapse" and you'll find the answer to your central question in re the period between 1150 BCE and 800 BCE.

[@grahamkearnon6682]

There is so much more interesting and, much earlier human history then the usual half truths spun by the 'experts'.

[@totttrax]

Hercules narrating...I'm in

[@BeYeSeparate]

De-Nile is at flood-stage in Egypt these days.

[@manfrommaine]

I used to call my Ex "Cleo" because she was the queen of denial.