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[@EverythingElectricShow]

Could these electric micro-mobility options be the solution to urban travel? Tell us what you think...

[@klaxoncow]

You need to run a "high pass filter" on the audio, Robert. There's some fluttery bass rumbles in the audio (not entirely sure what from, but it's there). And, yes, Mark unhelpfully started hitting his chest next to his microphone - and actually hit the microphone - with his hand. I think the first hit could probably have been edited out, without losing dialogue, but he screwed you on the other ones, talking as he hit it. But even if you can't remove those, you can take some "impact" out of it by filtering out lower the frequencies. The male human voice doesn't go lower than 85Hz and the female voice not lower than 165Hz. Where it's just humans talking in the audio, then you can "high pass" it at 85Hz to trim out anything below that because it's only going to be bumps of the microphone, bumps of the desk where the microphone's sitting, etc.. Indeed, a microphone I bought before actually had this built-in - just turn on a switch and it automatically cuts out all the very low bass, as that's usually, when just recording conversation, just unwanted "bumps" getting picked up on the mic. Yeah, sorry, just bought some new "DJ" headphones with excellent bass response, so these things are coming through very loud and clear for me. p.s. Also, the location you're shooting at sounds like a cathedral.

[@LiamE69]

I think the 250w limit on ebikes could be legally challenged on the basis of disability and gender discrimination. 250w is fine for an average person with decent lungs in a reasonably flat area. It is not fine for large men with disabilities such as lung or heart condition... exactly the sort of people that need to be getting out on bikes.

[@davidcardill4607]

Every Saturday and Sunday in the City of Ottawa they come and block off Bank Street, beginning on Friday evening and this street is the central north south connector road right through Ottawa beginning at the Parliament Buildings and all the way down to Gladstone Avenue such that vehicular traffic can only cross Bank Street but not drive down it. They have been doing this for years now, actually, beginning with a Pride Week event many years ago. And it's awesome, the street is full of pedestrians with a lot of families and lots of kids walking Bank Street all through the days and evenings :) And there have been, of late, packs of these people, mostly younger adult sized persons but all age groups represented riding the single platform electric scooters :) :) :) And E-Bikes and full size electric scooters with seats and/or saddlebags, right across the board I'm seeing more and more of this all the time, of course. What is not to like of the electrification of everything? I don't know, you tell me!!! hahahahahaha

[@davidcardill4607]

"Like pedalling through syrup" yeah, no kidding!!! I've ridden lots of bicycles lots of miles and the ones with the street bicycle tires, the thinner high pressure tires, i pedal once and then can coast for a while and the phat mountain bike tires i just don't stop pedalling pretty much, and i guess it depends on several things but certainly the level of workout that I am seeking while riding a bicycle IS also dependent on the actual tires.

[@davidcardill4607]

Aaaaaaaaaand next up!!! Remember heelies? Shoes with wheels in the bottom of their heels? Step and glide kind of action?

[@eBoard3R]

*Great feature!* The good people at PET are tryin their level best to get regulation and legislation in a place that is fair and makes sense.

[@shohid1234]

I think this should be on the main channel

[@sebaphone]

Mark congratulations !!! You are the ambassador of electrics by pushing things forward. Thanks 🙏

[@PHXRenegade]

It shouldn't matter whether you're sat on an e-bike or stood on an e-scooter / e-unicycle. The regulations should be the same. The fact that e-bikes are the only ones shown there that are legal to ride on the roads is ludicrous. And it doesn't matter if an item of transport is electrically powered or not, people are killed every day using the roads and pedestrians are injured by idiots on regular bikes. The powertrain is irrelevant. User education and training is the key. But they need to be legal first and foremost.

[@johnsshed995]

The people selling these scooters are in it to make money , they don't care if they are illegle as long as they are makeing a quick buck or they would not be selling them.the law should treat them like any one else selling illegle items .

[@PHXRenegade]

@@johnsshed995 They're not illegal to own and ride on private property. They're not like firearms and the like. The point is, they "should" be legal to ride on the roads (preferably in a cycle lane) and not the pavements which should be for pedestrians.

[@fredbloggs72]

The regulations are the same, you are allowed 'power assistance', with a new road legal e-bike you have to pedal to use power, if it was power without pedalling it would be illegal

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@johnsshed995 hi John (again). I have now spoken to you a number of times and replied to your rather distasteful comments which you have chosen to ignore. Do I really come across as someone who simply 'sells scooters for a quick buck and doesn't care that they are illegal'? I mean really? It strikes me that your total lack of observational skill defines your argument against e scooters in general!

[@darkkevind]

@@shaffermarkshaffer don't worry, people like John are almost always the kind of people that think cyclists should cycle single file and that they should pay "road tax"! Even though "road tax" hasn't existed since 1937, and that they should be 'made' to use cycle lanes if they're available, and that they have 'more right' to use the roads in their 2ton metal killing machines. They are old and very much past it, and only believe what they read in The Sun, Mirror or Daily Star. They almost definitely voted "for" brexit and their narrow-minded opinions really don't matter.

[@pulpopelirojo68]

The UK gov attitude is so archaic, they need to embrace the new technologies, make infrastructure fit for purpose and take a common-sense approach.

[@manlykscorpa]

They're trying find a way to make money from it which is why the rentals are legal cos someone is paying money to the government

[@snowstrobe]

You're asking this lot to show some common-sense!?

[@tommyfred6180]

sorry are you new to british politics? :)

[@williamarmstrong7199]

Err common sense and our government? Remember that the minister in charge of the environment and climate change is a rabid climate change refusenik as are most of his appointments and staff.

[@cbromley562]

Been keeping up with this scooter oppression on Electroheads. Mark said it all really. Get it legislated, and in the twist of a throttle, city gents with their bowlers and umbrellas, will wizzing around along with everyone else…contributing in no insignificant way to cleaner air and cleaner, and quieter, towns and cities. Perfect COVID transport as well. Bloody hell, bureaucracy.

[@TheEVside]

Well done Mark, fully chargee for putting this front and centre, regulate and legalise, now for the haters in the comments lol

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Thanks, had a great day talking to Robert and the team! Almost missed the filming as I was stuck in a traffic jam for half an hour trying to get to the studio to film a piece on alternative forms of transportation!

[@Graveltongue]

I was in a band with Mark after we left school. He’s a pretty tasty guitar player!

[@stevencowles8419]

18 months ago I switched to using an ebike as my main form of transport, the advantages massively outweigh the disadvantages and these other technologies clearly have something to offer too. I like listening to Mark as he offers a voice of reason and accepts that inappropriate used should be punished, his views are hard to argue against. Totally agree with upping the power limit for cargo bikes too. If we are limiting speed why would we want to limit power as it just stops use on hills etc. Looking forward to change in the laws in this area as I believe it could make a real difference.

[@judebrown4103]

Would love to have seen more of those vehicles being ridden.... Sensible approach, totally agree.

[@marcsroberts]

I've a couple of videos on my channel of the Electric Unicycle, same one as the far right. It's great fun. Obviously illegal, but I'm not a lunatic on it and the local police don't seem to mind.

[@rollinraver6056]

Don't get to a sed to the cops turning a blind eye, they just giving you a false sence of security to ride such a vehicle, next thing you know, your being stopped by the cops & getting your wheel or scooter seized & a £300 fine with six points on your licence, don't trust the cops.

[@marcsroberts]

@@rollinraver6056 Oh I'm prepared for that. What other option do I have other than not riding it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@judebrown4103]

@@marcsroberts thanks, I had a look, they're nimble little things aren't they? How well do they survive the crashes? I would have loved to be on that ride, just the sort of place I used to play in as kid.... but I'm in my sixties now with serious balance problems and chronic leg pain so probably best to resist temptation and stick to my stealth mobility vehicle! 😂 I can use the motor on the e-bike to accelerate out of any wobbles so I get out and about on that. Enjoy your Wheel 🎡 Stay safe.

[@Nachbo1234]

Absolutely YES! Legalize and regulate. Focus on max speed not motor power. 250w is way too low for the wider population and range of use cases.

[@davesav1]

I have a small e-scooter which I use, as Mark states, in the same way as a bycycle and agree with his suggestion for an amnesty. I follow e-scooter groups on Fb and see all the time reports of local police have a crack down on there use and it is perceived as being a soft target for easy crime figures.

[@tommyfred6180]

i got stopped on my e bike. the copper was determined to find a reason to take the bike off me and simply could not find a lawful reason. he kept saying this bit of law or other was applicable. we ended up with ten, i kid you not, ten other coppers. all debating what they could pinch the bike under and trying desperately to get me to kick off at them. a very frustrated oldbill and a pissed off me. that was over a year back when the police round hear seemed to be going for the full nazi operation of the people. the last copper i dumped into didn't even bat an eye. in my experience when something new comes along most coppers instinct is to try to make it "unlawful" to have or use. same thing happened with paintball back in the 80s. or skate boarding in the 70s. or roller-skating back in the 1890s.

[@83DR]

In the Netherlands e-bikes are allowed (till 25 km/h), and also cargo bikes. You have also e-bikes which can get a speed of up to 45 km/h. These bikes need a license plate, insurance and helmet. Only the smaller steps and one wheels are still illegal.

[@nickmassey9104]

Mark talks sense. Straight to the point re the scooters and legislation

[@johnmckay1423]

Key point for me was the suggestion to raise the speed limit. If they're expected to mix with traffic 15mph isn't enough. Obviously I agree with the other points too. Just get these things on the road.

[@FlyingFun.]

100% this is the future NOT big heavy expensive polluting cars ( apart from obvious journeys needing more speed and actually carrying passengers fetc.). I've been building and riding ebikes for a few years and it is so much nicer way of getting around. I dont agree with forcing them off paths and onto roads though unless there is proper areas on the road for them which is fully segregated from cars because cars and these things really dont mix but not do these things and pedestrians so proper cycle ways are needed. What's needed is to prosecute bad dangerous riding , educate bad riders a bit like the speed awareness courses and only repeat offenders should get big fines and points on licence etc.

[@ProfessorHamer]

I have a cargo ebike (radpower radwagon 4) and I take my kids to school and daycare on it, and can carry 6 full grocery shopping bags, it completely replaced a second car for most of the year. For the rain I put a scooter rain cover on the back so the kids and their stuff stay dry. In morning traffic it is quicker than a car, saving time as well as money. The potential for cargo ebikes in cities is huge.

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

[@kaygee1623]

Very nice, well presented and spoken .

[@darkkevind]

My only concern for the legislation is that, in no other vehicle category do we limit the speed the vehicle can go, other than that of the highways speed control. Why should the vehicles be limited to a speed, the rider should be responsible for sticking to the speed limit outlined. 🤷‍♂️ A car can be capable of going 200mph, but can still drive on UK roads... the driver just has to stick to the 70mph (max) speed limit on motorways, and 30mph on residential streets 🤷‍♂️

[@scruf153]

put a 60nph speed cap on cars or get rid of them in town

[@connclissmann6514]

Post office in Ireland now using cargo e-bikes for parcel delivery in urban areas.

[@AlexOnABoat]

Just to correct things. Cargo-bikes are perfectly legal, and e-assistance is perfectly legal too, as long as it meets the regulations of 250w and assistance cutting out at 15.5mph. Bicycles done have to just have two wheels.

[@MarkyMarkJ]

Makes a lot of sense. The only reason I can think of delays in getting PET and cycle parity is the government trying to work out how many billions they will lose in fewer taxes for fuel duty, road fund licenses, congestion charges, reduced use of public transport etc. They can’t figure out a way to justify a new tax or license charge on PET to recoup the loss in revenue.

[@andytrewin]

Thanks Robert

[@Jimages_uk]

This would have been so much better if Robert had shown us his riding abilities on all the different equipment while holding the interview.

[@melcragg7814]

I bought a scooter from these guys. Great service.

[@PersonalelectrictransportUk]

Thanks Mel!

[@julianshepherd2038]

I think the ebike standard has worked well. More powerful ones have caused accidents and led to bans in some places.

[@pulpopelirojo68]

Nope, the riders have caused accidents, not the device themselves.

[@tommyfred6180]

@@pulpopelirojo68 in some cases you are correct. but the back wheel will kick out uncontrollably in many situations. this is simple to recover on a 250w unit. but needs a lot of skill on, say, a 1000w unit. most people simply don't have that skill. result accidents. the speed needs to be reasonable and to be assist only on the bikes for road use or we will lose a lot of the support from the public. but thats just my experience and view on the matter.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@tommyfred6180 you should consider the drive system and gearing before making assumptions on control. Also, if you look at the current regulations on e-bikes, they are pretty much all illegal. 250w maximum power means peak power output. You will find that this is a lot more than 250w... Also, consider how dangerous kinetic sensors are when metering power. I have been on cheap Chinese 250w bikes that push max power through the front wheel if you so much as breath on the pedals. A throttle would be a lot safer. In short, the current regs were written by bureaucrats and stunted the industry. Needs urgent attention in my opinion.

[@TheMirandaSquad]

Ever since my family got EBikes we have used them for commuting and for leisure more and more. Less need for the vehicles.

[@jimbunyan]

All good info. I would have loved some close ups to see the products more clearly though. Next time.

[@andrewwalsh2755]

I have an EUC, it's great fun and much like a bicycle it is best suited to cyclepaths... So build cycle paths!

[@scruf153]

get rid of cars in town

[@buzzofftoxicblog791]

I went on one so cool 😎 just need to ban old toxic ice this

[@fourbypete]

P.E.T have a great range of vehicles for the UK. Hopefully the government gets serious about modern urban mobility. The Australian government just follows the UK so if you guys get it right, so can we.

[@sbl17jackson37]

The UK's 15 MPH E-bike regulations are ignorant. They should adopt a 20 MPH speed limit like we have in the USA.

[@MrRobket]

09:45 Road tax hasn't existed since 1930. But yes, these shouldn't incur a Vehicle Excise Duty as they are emissions free.

[@metalhead2550]

2 years on..... Trials still ongoing, still no new legislation around electric scooters

[@flitsies]

According to the dpt transport a twist and go is legal to use so long as it complies to the other rules, on one sheet it says no but on another sheet it says yes, under EU law no under British law yes, so in the UK it's yes under UK law.

[@DougGrinbergs]

Suggestion: acoustic treatment and/or tighter mic pattern to reduce reverb, improve intelligibility

[@Bucksturdie]

The UK Government don't like these modes of transport because they've yet to figure out how to monetise them. That's about it. It's nothing to do with safety or antisocial riding. They'll deem them illegal until they can make money from them.

[@manlykscorpa]

Why not allow car drivers to add escooters to their insurance policy. They have the means to operate a vehicle and know the highway code

[@ablacknambercat]

What about people who don't own cars? Insurance against what though? These are about the same as a pedal bicycle as far as speed and impact are concerned, perhaps we should extend the requirement for road tax and insurance to bicycles.

[@daviddenley3512]

I've no problems with this Mode of Transport just as long as they are fully insured and the user has passed a Competency test before hand.

[@terencereeder9830]

Do you need the same for a bicycle?

[@daviddenley3512]

Ideally Yes! If you use the Highways then you ought to be fully insured! Cycling tests were part of getting a bike at one time and anything that can help to prevent t accidents ought to be seen as a positive thing rather then seen as a nuisance. As for Insurances, why not?

[@djneils100]

@@daviddenley3512 because kids use bikes!

[@nm3488]

Great video, terrible echo

[@andyhilton3359]

The Riese Muller truck bike are brilliant. Why not have them on the next PET programme.

[@thegee-tahguy4877]

Besides my fat Ebike, I've been driving a 1500w escooter since 2016. It still works perfectly and goes 30-40mph with my giant ass on it. I ride it on the local bike path where I have seen EVs grow tremendously since I've been riding there. I feel like an EV Ambassador.

[@suchdevelopments]

Are available in Australia

[@robitmcclain6107]

The scooter manufacturers would make the front wheel a larger diameter it would greatly increase the safety. One of them could likely buy Sbyke for a song. Interesting story on Slate about the Segway flop ending up with Segway being owned by the manufacturer of Lime and Bird scooters after the prior owner rode his Segway off a cliff.

[@robertocabras9604]

Most scooters now have 10" tyres, large enough for almost any type of road.

[@robitmcclain6107]

@@robertocabras9604 I Googled the electric stand-up scooters being sold. Only a very few had larger wheels than the typical. Some by Razor and Zumaround have 16 inch wheels. 20 inch like the Sbyke would be safer.

[@robertocabras9604]

@@robitmcclain6107 Those are a slightly different concept and they are great, definitely. I'm sure they would sell very well in the UK if the whole micromobility situation would change. With my previous comment I just wanted to say that even with smaller wheels electric scooters can be safe. I rode my modified Xiaomi m365 with 10" tyres for 5000 miles around London and I have never felt like being in danger.

[@robitmcclain6107]

@@robertocabras9604 And you never took a tumble from the front tire locking up on a curb or In a hole? Apparently lots of riders do.

[@robertocabras9604]

@@robitmcclain6107 Well I always rode my scooter on the road so curbs have never been a problem for me. Regarding pot holes as long as you avoid the worst ones that even cars or motorcycles tend to avoid you are totally fine. Knowing the roads obviously helps a lot, but also keeping a safe distance from the vehicle ahead is very important. I really don't think that pot holes are a problem for an electric scooter, in general.

[@rollinraver6056]

I read a post on London electric where a guy got his EUC seized but he was only pushing it.

[@foxylady1048]

Why are we still building these when we are not allowed to ride them on British roads, and paths. Let’s sort this out people and stop trying to push these out to the public who are not allowed to ride them.

[@buzzofftoxicblog791]

Agree 👍 with you please stand for government we have clowns 🤡 🙄 in power and TOXIC OIL IN POWER 😥😥🔥☠

[@michaellupton1593]

This is a difficult issue to resolve. I’m in favour of Mark’s regulatory suggestions...I’m not against these scooters etc...just...I don’t think our urban environment in the UK ,at least ,has the infrastructure to cope...and you have to find a way to deal with the anti-social/ inconsiderate use. We have to restrict car use in our cities to create the space for other means of transport.There has to be an overall strategy for green transport ...fat chance with this Govt. I predict we will get complicated unworkable regs , random enforcement and people will just use them in any event ...cue media stories about old folks taken out by “e-scooter yobs “and the usual media moral outrage leading to knee jerk legislation... Ok I’ve changed my mind just ride them.

[@au18ert]

Our towns and cities have to change to make this really happen. The infrastructure just isn't there or it's sporadic, just like the EV charging system. The trouble is we live in a country where everything is pretty much left to the private sector and as we all know the private sector just wants to make money. It comes down to us how we want to live. We can live in an oppressive state where everything looks right from the outside or here where you can do pretty much whatever you want and not really care about anyone else. We should have learnt from the pandemic but we haven't, it's got worse. I hate to be a doom munger but it's probably all too late anyway. We are on a massive ship flying through space and there's no brakes and no way to turn around. We could all do our bit everyday but we don't. I drive an EV and ride, E-Skate but drive an HGV for a living. Yes I've slowed down you won't see me bomb past you at 60mph like some. I do 50mph and I'm saving my firm. My mpg has gone from 18 to 22 mpg. I know have a 45min break rather than 60 mins but I feel less tired. I do 55 mph 60 tops in my EV which gives me 3.4kwh in winter and 4.8 kWh in the summer. I live in hilly Devon. I'm 47 and E-skate for when i charge. I've no charge point at home and use the free network. I'm not doing this because I'm a Saint, I actually enjoy the change in lifestyle. If it makes a difference great if not then least I did my bit. I'm waiting to be told to make changes. There are no rules on the E-skates and one wheels probably because you have to have skill to ride them and they ain't cheap. I think most people who ride them know they are ambassadors and do try to respect pedestrians. But pedestrians don't help themselves, constantly on their phones or walking with headphones. All the headline says is pedestrian killed by.. nothing about they were on their phone and had headphones on. Whatever you do you have to think about your own personal safety whichever form of transport you take..

[@andymoss4285]

E-bikes are a fab replacement for the pointless car journeys. The problem is nobody does anything about bike theft. This is the reason the other forms of transport are popular. They’re small enough to take inside wherever you’re going.

[@elektrischerwiderstand]

Hi. Have you got a cap in your merchandising store with the fully charged logo? That would be great and would do great advertising for your channel. I surely would want to have those.

[@james.telfer]

The skiing analogy with mono wheels is apt - it normally takes place on a smooth wide piste with hundreds of meters visibility and everyone going the same direction. The complete opposite of an urban environment. They're only safe in parks or dedicated bicycle lanes - that applies to both riders and bystanders.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Hi James, guessing you have never ridden an EUC (monowheel) and you do not know anyone who does? Obviously point, skis do not have brakes and really can only go downhill - pretty sure that is why everyone is going in the same direction! Also, in colder EU countries, cross country skis were originally used for practical transport...

[@radiophone3965]

Finally!! Yeah

[@RIDEGLIDE]

🤘

[@CycleCalm]

"None of them are designed to do 60mph or something like that" He says, standing in front of the NAMI, lmao

[@SlayerEddyTV]

Why is the UK government so slow in sorting out this legislation, not that it has stopped me in getting an electric scooter but there are people out there riding these things like idiots in the middle of town centres who need locking up as they present a danger to all people. The governments slow pace will not stop me from enjoying it, it is the law that is going to change and not me, these vehicles from electric bikes, scooters and more are the future they just need regulating so people know where they can be used.

[@benj5386]

It is regulated so people know where they can be used (nowhere) and yet people still ride them like dicks. Why would more regulation change that?

[@johnbow100]

Do you plan on reviewing cheap electric motorcycles in the future?

[@solentbum]

I had an electric moped 12 years ago, with number plates, insurance , free 'Road Tax'. need for a proper driving licence and skid lid. The legislation is already there for the use of most modes of transport in an appropriate place. The problem comes when some fool tries riding a virtually invisible scooter in amongst traffic, or at speed amongst pedestrians, or similar. The same problem as with bicycles and skateboards. If the general public could be relied upon to ride in a manner which did not endanger others I am sure that there would be no ban on 'new ideas' . unfortunately the public have consistently shown that they cannot be trusted. Or should we return to the horrific number of deaths and injuries to riders of small motorcycles of the 1960's and 70's?

[@WoodStoveEnthusiast]

Oai! You got a loicence for that scooter?

[@martinpigott1398]

Oh and modify law or 3rd party insurance on bicycles

[@marcof.3056]

You can get an electric Moped for the same price these days and it’s completely road legal. So what’s the problem?

[@robertocabras9604]

The problem is the right wing sensationalist propaganda that always needs to find the next enemy to feed people with lies and hate.

[@ronaldusher39]

If you can ride a horse surely ebikes should be the same 750w. Which would be great for cargo bikes carrying 2 children with 250w is stupid!

[@jonathankeenan5163]

I agree with almost all of this. My main concern is about limiting speeds (not power) on tech that will inevitably be used on cycle infrastructure. This infrastructure needs to be welcoming, safe and accessible to everyone from age 8 to 80 so anything much over 15mph is simply too fast for such infrastructure. This is the reason some cyclists stay in the road; they are fit and want to travel at 20mph or above. As an ex-motorcyclist I know it seems slow and 20mph is still reasonably safe for the individual but the greater good will come from everyone of all ages and ability being able to chose alternatives to driving (or being driven) everywhere.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Hi Jonathan, I agree with you but you will find that most cyclists travel at between 17-20 mph. Therefore, a limit of 20mph seems reasonable and shouldn't create dangerous speed differentials. Any lower and you will discourage adoption. E-bikes, for example are not used by many younger riders (legally) as 15mph is simply too slow.

[@jonathankeenan5163]

@@shaffermarkshaffer I'm sure many of the enthusiasts that currently cycle do that sort of speed, sporting, younger commuters and experienced lifelong cyclists (not me though) however this isn't about them. This is about getting other less confident people cycling. I've cycled in many cities but in the cities like Amsterdam, Berlin, Copenhagen that have taken cycle infrastructure seriously you start to see kids on their way to school, retired people out shopping and general folk pootling about. I'd bet the average speed is more like 10mph.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@jonathankeenan5163 we need to focus on those who are likely to use bicycles, e-bikes and scooters for their daily commute. None of these groups are doing 10mph (unless they are jogging to work). By the same token, driving at 40mph on a Motorway is problematic. I believe it is more important to encourage people out of their cars as, ultimately, this will save more lives.

[@JustinParksandRides]

Would love to work for that company but I live in Wales, so it’s not going to happen yet. I’ve had to get fully comp insurance for my Rad Runner just to fend off the police 👮‍♀️ in my village, as they didn’t like me riding it around town on the roads for some reason, god knows why.

[@davidgiles9751]

I traveled to Taipei for work a few years back. Seems like 2 million of the 2.65 million population of Taipei rode gas powered scooters. Noisy and stinky machines, a number of which could be replaced by products highlighted in this video. Many large Asian cities would be well served by such vehicles.

[@Wombat-blue]

Just wonder how long it will take for these Jamokes to mention Tesla.

[@martinpigott1398]

The presenter imo was evasive about electric scooters. I understand them currently to be illegal if not part of a rental scheme. If they are legal I’m not sure why the Police have confiscated several thousands. I may be wrong but I also understand there have been prosecutions, although I have not seen any stats on this. My issue with them is the lunatic behaviour of some riders in London. In particular on pavements. If they are to be licensed they should only be allowed on production of a driving license, they should hold 3rd party insurance and be constrained to cycle lanes (empty enough) not pavements, oh and helmet of course. I would suggest 3pts on license for driving on pavement, or loss of license with a provisional. I would not use one as having seen an idiot come off one in Islington as a result of a pothole and been carted away in blood wagon, they are too unstable when encountering potholes.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Hi Martin, not sure what you thought I was avoiding saying but please feel free to ask here. It was all a bit of a rush that day (I actually was stuck in a traffic jam 2m before filming was due to start - couldn't write this stuff)! Totally agree with you that antisocial behaviour on scooters needs to be targeted and penalised through sensible policing. Regarding pot holes in London - it is true that they are a menace to bicycles, scooters and any other lightweight vehicles. Good suspension actually is more useful than wheel diameter for accident avoidance. Although perhaps paying attention and avoiding them altogether is better advice!

[@VladyslavKL]

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[@zjzozn]

Rocket powered flying scooters is the future 😂

[@tommyfred6180]

ya the future of very many accidents and much profit for insurance companies ;)

[@scruf153]

hover board

[@gathonar]

I would not like people to be fined if they are on the pathment, I have a friend with MS he has balance issues and it just not safe on the roads, not everyone is proficient and comfortably on the roads.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Powerful motor needs a heavy battery which needs a heavier frame Hit a pedestrian on one and its not pretty at all. Go to Amsterdam where urban cycling is part of the culture and people take it easy and don't crash or terrify the foot traffic.

[@tommyfred6180]

ya you are completely correct an e bike at any speed hitting someone would not be good. i have an e bike and its way heavier than a normal bike. i would dread to think the damage it could do if i hit someone.

[@SlayerEddyTV]

If that were the case then electric bicycles have larger frames and in some cases larger batteries too compared to electric scooters, then electric bicycles would be illegal which they are not, so the likes of PET and others just want parity for smaller electric vehicles like scooters. It is the law that is going to change because these types of vehicles are coming, and for me is already here whether it is legal or not.

[@mraidymaddful]

Electric bikes by definition are motorcycles and as such should be treated as such. Every day I drive around in my diesel car I see cyclists abusing the rules of the road and then crying when they ride under the wheels of cars, trucks etc. If you ride on the road you should have proper training like we motorcyclists have to. It's not about fairness or anything else you haters are now thinking about, it's about common sense, using all around observation and giving at least 'one shit' about other road users around you. I have no sympathy for cyclists who ignore the road rules and then complain when they crash or get run over. A friend of mine has a 2000w ebike that has a sticker on the motor hub that says: 'Restricted to 250w'. He's had it for over 2 years and has never been done for it. That's how it should be done! Oh, and the reason these vehicles are illegal, is because the government don't make any money out of it. If road going ebikes were taxed like motorcycles are (by engine/motor capacity), the govt. wouldn't be able to complain because they'd be getting their Kilo of flesh. If you go to them with empty hands, you'll leave with the same. It's simple economics...........

[@will4may175]

Mobility scooters have to be registered, and unless its a class 3 invalid carriage registered you don't have to pay tax, which means if it's not you have to tax it, and it's recommended you have insurance and you need to be able to read a number plate at the required distance. first I don't understand why it would need taxing as wouldn't it come under the same rules as an electric car - tax free ?, mobility scooters have been around for decades and have been charged road tax on certain models for that time, including road/pavement restrictions, what makes them different to E-scooters/bikes etc ? isn't road tax to do with emissions ? What I'm saying is there's a fight for rights to use E- scooters/bikes etc on the roads, but it just shows how messed up our system is and hasn't been properly looked at for decades, hopefully this new wave of EV changes will have a positive effect on kicking the Gov backside into doing something, but not by one of the parliament members we have now as they're clearly out of touch with RL.

[@coniow]

I do have very mixed feelings around these vehicles. Yes, good to get folks out of cars. BUT, they are proving a MAJOR issue for Blind and Partially Sighted pedestrians, who can't hear these things coming, by definition can't SEE them, and a terrified of being hit by a projectile at 15 mph +. Just ask "Guide Dogs," and they will give you chapter and verse. www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/breaking-girl-3-suffers-life-24579322 'Nuff said. The Isle of Wight is one of the areas used for the Scooter Trials. To date there have been THREE cases where riders have been arrested for Driving over the Drink / Drive limit. At a guess the (impaired) thought process goes something like: "Hey, I think I've had a bit too much to drink. Maybe I had better leave the car here. But how do I get home? I know! I can use a scooter! Safer than a car!!" If the Plod have caught 3 over the limit, how many others have they missed? (Nothing against the Police, they can't be everywhere at once, and half of them now come over from Hampshire anyway!)

[@peterhendry2154]

Bicycles cost that much and way more.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

The problem we have in Stafford is the Ginger electric scooters. The scooters are not the problem however the assumptions made by council and the company are. Why paint them dark brown so they cannot be seen in poor light? Why do the lights not turn on automatically at night? How come children as young as 8 or 9 can bee seen riding them (frequently 2 up) at night? I have yet to ever see anyone wearing even the most basic of PPE while riding. Why is there not a curfew on their use? Finding 2 or 3 being ridden all over the roads in the early hours of the mornings by youths wearing blacked out ninja style clothing with no lights on the bikes makes avoiding killing them a real problem. I have no problem with people having fun.. far from it. But Darwin will have his day and I do not want to be the cause. The paperwork and police interviews would take ages. Not to mention the damage to my MG5 taxi! Unfortunately we are also not allowed to use video camera's to record their stupidity by the Council! So we are not allowed a key defence against prosecution.

[@kernalmusterd]

I've got that one that goes like stink

[@Teapode]

Not a 1000 scooters from one F150 electric :) F150 has 125kWh battery. Nami, Vsett 10+, Gotway has a 1,5-2,5kWh baterries. So more like 70 scooters from one F150. Scooters and Ewheels are less inefficient than cars compared by weight, because they try to make them as cheap as possible. Poor motors, poor controllers. Also drag is much higher with a scooter with rider than with a car. But all in all. 30kg scooter/ewheel + 90kg rider = 120kg would use 15-30wh/km 2000kg electric car + 90kg rider = 2090kg would use 150-300wh/km but with much higher speeds. Scooters and Ewheel consume about 50wh/km at speed of 50km/h. Drag is the main reason. Same thing is about cargo ebikes. With heavy fully loaded cargo ebike with speed 25km/h it could use up to 50wh/km. Small electric truck with much higher payload with low city speed of 35km/h might use 150wh/km. So it just might be electric cargo bikes are not as efficient as they look on a first sight.

[@howardsly6174]

I’m sure its orange…..

[@andymccabe6712]

What - that pink bike ...?!

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[@shawng5799]

Did he say half a ton cargo bike???🤣🤣🤣

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Erm... Fully laden with cargo, yes. You find that incredible? 🧐

[@davidwebb4904]

Theres no law banning powered scooters….. Tell that to the hundreds and hundreds who had theirs seized by the police in London in July.

[@benj5386]

I'm assuming the e scooters that have been seized weren't taxed, insured and registered as per the law.

[@davidwebb4904]

@@benj5386 There is no mechanism to tax, insure or register such gadgets. If there was, then most people would.

[@benj5386]

@@davidwebb4904 exactly. The scooters were seized because they're illegal to use.

[@davidwebb4904]

@@benj5386 A competent lawyer could challenge that.

[@benj5386]

@@davidwebb4904 and yet they don't. Are there no competent lawyers?

[@hood182ie]

I think they’re brilliant machines but they don’t mix well with pedestrians or traffic in a level beyond issues with cyclists… I’m not sure what the solution is

[@nerosapien]

the guy seemed like he cant be asked to elaborate on each item ,,,,

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Eh? Can't be asked are can't be... ahem, bothered?

[@chazonbikes]

Very misleading there is legislation against using most of these and you could be prosecuted. You may get points on your driving licence and a hefty fine. Also no insurance is the worst endorsement you can get when trying to insure something else. Is the way the law being applied stupid and out of date - yes but you really need to advise your viewers of the risks they are subjecting themselves to legally. And campaign to get rules and laws changed or put in place

[@james.telfer]

I've seen a lunatic riding a mono wheel downhill at 30mph following traffic on a main road. No idea how you'd perform an emergency stop on that and he wasn't even wearing a helmet. 🤷🤦

[@TheLondonCyclist]

You just bend your knees and lean back. They stop quick, just like a bicycle

[@MUNRO13]

Landfilling millions of lithium batteries is not sustainable in any way.

[@MrHSIE]

Horrific audio. 🤢

[@karencarbonanusturner3622]

CRIMUNICIPALITY s viscously oppose nonfelonious green mobility

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Ha ha ha... So criminal society opposes legal green mobility? Right. So thieves don't cycle? Drive electric cars... Don't take the bus? I don't get it... Could you please assist? Perhaps consider using more words of fewer syllables to allow dullards such as me a chance to comprehend your point!

[@karencarbonanusturner3622]

Local CRIMUNICIPALITY support Local felonoxious fuel global warming device retailers, Green for life uses diesel equipment, installed methane extraction infrastructure, and boasts of it,though it is inoperable, local transit,runs 95% empty,diesel,Canada pension just invested a further 2 billion in fossil fuels, etc

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@karencarbonanusturner3622 sounds like you are getting overly hung up with pension funds etc. Life tends to make hypocrites of us all eventually.

[@tonybarton3746]

Hate to say this , but what’s wrong with people walking , if there going to be late fir work , leave earlier. E scooters etc won’t help this country getting fit again 🤓😎😊

[@timscott3027]

Nothing wrong with walking but I don't want to walk 10 miles but it's doable on a bike

[@philabrahams383]

So you don't want to be taxed insured or registered. So when you get hit and knocked down by a e-scooters you will have no way to get any compensation for your injuries.

[@iandowwright]

I've never understood this argument. If the e-scooter rider were obeying the rules as suggested in this video it would be exactly the same as being accidently hit by a cyclist. Cyclists don't have to be taxed, insured or registered and for the most part there's no outcry about that. Personally I don't have an e-scooter but I don't have a problem with them being treated like bicycles as long as the speed is restricted and they respect the highway code in the same way.

[@pulpopelirojo68]

And what about mad cyclists who knock down people - not registered, insured or taxed either.

[@snowstrobe]

He very pointedly said that the more powerful ones should be required to get third-party.

[@ottawasenator9267]

The interviewe is not very communicative.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Apologies. What would you like to know?

[@Wombat-blue]

Oh shitbag they’re illegal!!

[@alexmckenna1171]

They are being used on pavements and other pedestrian passages, which is dangerous. I nearly got knocked over by one in a pedestrian subway recently.. very close indeed..

[@julianshepherd2038]

Cargo bikes carrying 1/2 ton are not the same skill level as bicycling. Insurance and a helmet seems reasonable and not a huge cost to business We should be slowing cars to 20 in cities not speeding the bicycles up This guy wants to sell Electric motorbikes which are great but not bicycles.

[@tommyfred6180]

ya i'm not keen on sharing a cycle path with a 1/2 ton cargo bike doing 20mph.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@tommyfred6180 so you would rather share a road with a ten tonne truck? 🧐

[@tommyfred6180]

@@shaffermarkshaffer no and you miss my point. i would rather NOT share any road if something so heavy it will kill me if it hits me.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

@@tommyfred6180 the unfortunate truth is we all have to run along together. So it makes sense to equalise speed and weight has far as possible. After all, relative speed and weight kills, not speed or weight in itself...

[@tommyfred6180]

@@shaffermarkshaffer i get your point. i just don't like the idea of "cargo" being on cycle ways and foot paths. delivery drivers are always in rush. they account for a disproportionate number of road incidents. also the idea of a 1/2 ton load vehicle built to the standards required for a push bike is not inspiring concept from a safety point. i would also point out that weight is very much a factor. its been over twenty five years since the last farmer was killed by a sheep crushing him. but we lose one or two farmers to cows doing the same thing every year. simple physics. bigger the mass bigger the forces needed to move it or stop it. its called conservation of energy, i think. but i could be wrong on the name as its nearly fifty years since i was at school. so being hit by a 1/2 tone of cargo plus bike plus body. is going to way worse than just the bike and body.

[@johnsshed995]

Sorry, but there is ledgeslation against E scooters .you risk a fine ,points on your licence and getting it impounded . They are actually illegle . Someone that sells e scooters should know that. You are in theory aiding and abetting someone by selling them. unless you tell this to the buyer.

[@TheLondonCyclist]

No, there is not. The legislation is for motor propelled vehicles and the 1800s act relates to carriages on the pavement aka a push chair (which is illegal) but it's looked over. There's nothing for escooters like there is Ebikes.

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Hi John (again)...(and again)... Still doing the rounds? Might I ask, who exactly is financing your career as an anti scooter keyboard warrior? And if you are not being paid, then why exactly are you grinding this particular blunt axe? Did you fall off one when you were a lad and now have some kind of rare scooterphobia?

[@robertbench4664]

Normally I really enjoy these videos,but although it is mentioned about pedestrian safety,the salesman blatantly promotes "offroad" electric bikes that are not legal on British roads.There have already been withdrawals of e-scooters in the scheme for the west midlands to try to upgrade them to not run on pavements,but there are still plenty of privately owned ones being badly driven on pavements.I have been nearly knocked over by one coming from behind me in Coventry,and he was moving so quick I didn't even get to see his face.I have broken my leg a couple of years ago,and I fear worse could happen in the future.Please do not promote these types of machines without a bit more research with disabled and safety organizations!

[@shaffermarkshaffer]

Hi Robert, I am 'the Salesman' you mentioned. Sounds like you had a tough time of it and your recovery has not been helped by antisocial riders on pavements. Worth knowing that you will struggle to meet an advocate for electric scooters that suggests using them on pavements. Like bicycles, we advise people to use minor roads and cycle infrastructure, keeping off pavements entirely. Pedestrians and faster, heavier vehicles should never mix. Perhaps, you should consider trying one before dismissing out of hand?

[@StuartLomas]

"It does not pollute" REALLY? The bug factory that makes the construction materials? The big factory that makes the batteries? The power station that supplies the power to charge the battery in the scooter/bike/wheel ? Yep! Zero pollution.

[@markparker5585]

They pollute a lot less than an internal combustion engined car, which it seems is the main advocation for their use. Unless your only mode of transport is to walk everywhere barefoot, there is a degree of pollution in any mode of transport. For anyone considering lowering their car miles, or even getting rid of a car, it's good to have options such as these.

[@StuartLomas]

@@markparker5585 Let me offer clarification for my comment. The owner of the company said the 'vehicles ' he makes were none polluting, that does not mean they are free of global pollution. I wager that anyone who cycles or uses one of these vehicles to commute will do so when the weather is good, the rest of the time they will revert to Trains, Buses or the best transport if all, the car especially if it's powered by a V8.

[@robertocabras9604]

@@StuartLomas The only one that needs clarification here is you. Why would you even make such comments when it's obvious that when talking about electric vehicles it's the absence of an exhaust that makes the difference? Yes the production of the vehicle, its batteries and the energy to power it are not pollution free generally, but that is still true for basically any item we produce and use. We need to be able to differentiate, it's not that hard.

[@StuartLomas]

@@robertocabras9604 The owner of this company or indeed any EV evangelist conveniently forgets the pollution created during the manufacture of EVs. All I ask is that any EV user or maker makes it clear that pollution was caused during manufacture & will be produced during any recycling of the materials used in the EV & the batteries.

[@robertocabras9604]

@@StuartLomas That is a lie. Nobody with even the slightest amount of intelligence would forget or neglect those facts. ''The owner of this company'' is a very intelligent and educated person and I can assure you that nobody here is an ''EV evangelist''. When it comes to PLEVs the focus changes a lot, it's not just like the infinite debate between conventional vehicles supporters and electric vehicles supporters. I personally love cars since I was a child and if I were to buy one today it would definitely be a conventional one, for a number of reasons. PLEVs are a totally different matter, which is what a lot of people seem not to be able to understand.