Phase 3 Rogue Best in Slot Gear | Classic Wow

In this video, I cover the best in slot gear for phase 3 as a rogue.
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[@Zatar]

Here is the page discussed in the video - www.classicwowbuilds.com/build/view/e829ed97-3e75-4540-945e-0df64b93f124/bwl-rogue-bis-gear/0

[@silevo3724]

If you had r13 gear available to you what would your bis pvp set be for daggers?

[@sirenioftheaxisorder1800]

@@silevo3724 Depends entirely on how you play, assuming you premade WSG 5/8 NS Boots, Belt, Gloves, Bracers, Chest 2/6 R12 Pants R13 Shoulders Bfang Hood freeswap Stealth Goggles, Rocket Helm, MC Cap(Undead Only) Same Weapons , Same Jewelry This is designed for defending flag room basically.

[@chadswood]

I got CTS lastnight, lets gooooo

[@aramgarabedian1452]

I lost CTS to loot council on Tuesday. I have half blues n half epics. My MH is brutality blade and I offhand Mirah's Song. The guy I lost it to had almost every BiS for fury warriors with Deathbringer MH Brutality OH (aka he OFFHANDS my best weapon). I parse very high for my lower lvl of gear and consistently higher than him (Top 3 in our guild). He was awarded the literal 2 dps upgrade, whereas for me it would've been a 23dps upgrade total. Safe to say I'm very butthurt.

[@aramgarabedian1452]

Also, grats >_< I'm glad a rogue got a CTS somewhere!

[@chadswood]

@@aramgarabedian1452 oof. Feelsbadman, what server?

[@johnnybravo9633]

I'm next in line on my raid team for CTS when it drops, we do dkp and I have double the next guy, so it's all mine baby! And Grats on yours, great to see a rogue get a weap, rogues don't get weaps in my guild cuz they just don't ever drop.

[@aramgarabedian1452]

@@chadswood Smolderweb alliance side. One of the loot council later said "I'm sorry man I didn't know how undergeared you were" and the guy who got CTS said "sorry bro I just thought you were geared cuz of your parses." #sadpanda

[@Dreamtoberich]

So as a human rogue... we will use bruteblade/cts? even tho mala has better dmg? curious

[@chilly22]

dont underestimate the 3 set bonus of bloodfang in pvp. having 5 nightslayer and 3 bloodfang was always the go-to for rogues back in the day.. 5% extra poison application in pvp can be life or death.

[@GODLIEK]

Implying that Ive got viskag and band of accuria.

[@CDirk1]

Yea a roge guildie has been waiting for almost 3 months to get one

[@goguthegod]

I see shitty rogues with weapons all the time and I didn't see viskag drop even once, we got maladath and Dft on first run at least

[@jeffparker4840]

Got a Vis'Kag on my 2nd or 3rd ony, been 3 months.. haven't seen a 2nd one and we got 3 more rogues waiting. Had 4 bands drop, all the tanks got them first. MT also got the only perds we've seen. We're still farming MC, hope to see more bands drop. In 3.5 Months of farming MC we've only seen 1 brutality blade so I'm still waiting on that too. :-/

[@goguthegod]

@@jeffparker4840 omg dude :( hope you get lucky we just gave both perds and gutgore to offspec rogues cuz we all got weapons already, swords will always be a problem tho but so rewarding when one drops

[@arkjiang]

hey zatar. will u make one for phase 4 ?

[@NlNE16]

Cap of the black baron or the honor guard cape from Arathi Basin? What do you think?

[@Lee_B_Futures]

Zatar, with Hemo Spec you can already Cheap Shot > Hemo > Hemo without the extra 10 energy that the Nightslayer bonus give you. My favored rotation is Cheap Shot > Hemo > Hemo > Kidney Shot > Hemo > Blind > Stealth > then you can reopen, or Sap, etc. Just thought I'd correct you on not being able to do it without the extra 10 energy. Good video though!

[@Zatar]

You cannot cheap shot -> hemo -> hemo -> EVISCERATE without the 10 energy.

[@Lee_B_Futures]

@@Zatar LOL... oh... I should pay attention to what you're saying huh?

[@daaaannk4362]

+10 energy also is incredible for pvp daggers

[@mmikepatriot]

Great video! If I have mala sword, shoukd I take 1 less point from hit talents and put it somewhere else like imp sprint? Currently don't have imp sprint bc I have imp backstab for vael

[@benjaminghazi787]

I'm gonna get 8 piece bf with daggers and do some testing on the actual damage difference between that and dagger off pieces.

[@goguthegod]

Same

[@Taylor-ip6ek]

I feel like whatever the damage loss is, is so small that it is not worth not looking like the alpha chad in full t2

[@ojs93]

I was told that Warblade of the Hakkari is better in offhand with +15 agility instead of Brutality Blade for swords rogues? Anyone know if thats true?

[@Zatar]

It is just as good as brutality blade.

[@perry8460]

Has phase 3 (or phase 4 since its just around the corner) changed much about pre raid bis for rogues? I'm approaching level 60 and I'm trying to figure out which pieces to go after

[@dthmatter4559]

When did you start playing Wow? People keep saying in your twitch chat it was WoD, but I think they’re meming

[@lfgubrs]

So what is the best enchant for OH with sword spec. Crusader or 15+ agility

[@bjarnipallpalsson1522]

What about Perdition Blade and Felstriker in offhand? Is it better offhand than Core hound tooth due to the insane proc or slightly worse?

[@phillewee]

As a dagger rogue is it worth switching crusader enchant on CHT compare to crusader enchant (since i have crusader atm from p1)

[@Notoriouzzz]

What are best pve enchants for dagger rogues ? I see a lot of people saying different things.

[@lmann7427]

Very well done

[@eddie4691]

Hey, why do you think that HoJ is better than Blackhand's Breadth for dagger pve rogues? isnt 2% crit better than 2% on just one more hit with dagger?

[@ericschnelzer3858]

From my experience Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom has outperformed Blackhands Breadth in PvP, and its actually quite equal to it in PvE while raid buffed (if not better unless you crit cap)

[@eNv3n0mX]

Elaborate please how did you came to this conclusion.

[@AllAboutKnives1]

yo I’m confused so I saw for dagger u added r10 gear but not for swords . Isn’t R10 Head and Shoulders with Boots of shadow flame rest BF better than 8/8 I’ve simmed n also got told it’s better

[@AllAboutKnives1]

please help cus I’ve passed on my 8/8 cus of what I’ve gotten told

[@HattoriYakuza]

So are the Rank 10 Blue Set not nearly as good as the PvP item sets mentioned in this video ?

[@Brettsauces]

Just the 2 piece rank 10 swt

[@yeee321]

I dont know that i agree that running the r10 head is better than t2 head, if you look on shadowpanther there is about an 8 MAEP difference between that and t2 helm, the r10 shoulders have 3 less MAEP than the t1 shoulders as well, i feel like the raw stats of those items may outweigh the 40 AP bonus of the blue pvp set

[@Zatar]

40 attack power is worth 20 agility on shadowpanther

[@hurricaneh123]

Hey Zatar, I recently got claw of the black drake and have Perds blade and Gutgore ripper for daggers, for hemo spec should I MH claw of the black drake and OH perds blade until I get a core hound tooth?

[@Zatar]

For hemo yes, I would use claw perd.

[@faintbelgium8771]

Hi, im currently using lobotimizer MH and glacial blade OH, i just got em, Which are The best enchants to put, i guess +5 Weapon damage MH and offhand Crusader? or 15 AGI offhand? Would be nice if you helped me out

[@Zatar]

For main hand your options are Crusaders and plus 5 weapon damage. Most people, including me use weapon damage. For off hands Crusader and Agility are really close. Pick whichever you prefer, in general more people go with agility.

[@faintbelgium8771]

@@Zatar wow thanks for the fast response, think im going with +5 mh and 15 agi, since im lacking agi already atm

[@petermuno1235]

I’ve been hearing that you only need 4% hit If you are at 305 weapon skill and even less hit if you are above that, would you still advise things like band of accuria and shadow flame boots?

[@Zatar]

Who is saying these things? 6% soft cap at 305 weapon-skill. 9% at 300. Weapon skill past 305 doesn't make any significant difference in your hit chance. Regardless you still want hit past 6% in PVE because a lot of your damage comes from Auto attacks.

[@zepho100]

Can you do warrior too? A lot of people say BRE is BIS...

[@karlittos]

Yo zatar, I got a question for you, I've seen alot of people talking about gear, but im wondering for enchants as a dagger rogue player. What are the best enchants you can have for daggers? striking/agility ? Or double crusader? or Crusader and agility ? thanks in advance

[@Zatar]

For main hand your options are Crusaders and plus 5 weapon damage. Most people, including me use weapon damage. For off hands Crusader and Agility are really close. Pick whichever you prefer, in general more people go with agility.

[@karlittos]

@@Zatar so for offhand allways 15 agility right?

[@Zatar]

I use crusader. Crusader and agility are really close. Pick whichever you prefer. Most people go agility.

[@masknecr]

Hey Zatar, thank you for the quality content! I got one doubt for the dagger set, I’m not sure how much of AP, 1% hit chance should be equivalent to (and thus the gears are truely bis). Especially after reaching the soft cap. This is particularly concerning, as dagger rogue’s dps largely depends on the crit of backstabs, which will not receive any damage increase with hit chance after 6% hit + 310 weapon skill.

[@Zatar]

Hit is still good for dagger because over 50% of their damage comes from auto-attacks.

[@Zatar]

Dagger's also hit the crit cap faster because of dagger specialization, making hit have more value.

[@masknecr]

Oh thank you for the clarification :)

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa8128]

@@Zatar what is the crit cap for dagger ?

[@alessandrotoledo2632]

u sure that the 2 pieces of rank 10 are better then t1 or t2 ones? we loosing like 50 agi (that is like 2% crits) that for daggers rogue is pretty important.

[@Zatar]

Both pieces of ranked 10 have crit on them. You end up losing less than one crit, and you gain attack power and hit.

[@CoreyFiasco]

Thanks for making this videos Question though I can’t find any answers about. What if I don’t have Brutality blade. But have CTS, Viskag and CHT. Viskag or CHT in OH? Human

[@Zatar]

I would use viskag.

[@dakkoreaan]

Will you make an in depth assassination build rogue?

[@xtaziz8032]

Hey there Zatar, just found your channel, good job on the videos! I just got my rogue to 60 some weeks ago, been going swords but some people keep telling me daggers is way better. Human rogue btw, is there a concensus on which is better? Should I stick swords or swap to daggers? Havent gotten any raid weapons yet so...

[@Zatar]

Swords do more damage in PvE. I prefer daggers in PvP. Go with what is more fun for you.

[@Greynth]

In a vaccum, the specs "swap" top DPS in each raid tier. Daggers MC, Swords BWL, Daggers AQ, Swords Naxx. In reality, both specs are so close in DPS that it will come down to the player's execution. Most important is to determine which playstyle you prefer and stick with that.

[@HS-oz1pj]

Been swords for months in classic - and I agree with James B. here. The good thing about daggers though is the compatibility to switch to a pvp spec on command and not having to worry about weapons. Swords is hella fun though! In pvp it's too slow however...

[@daaaannk4362]

just fyi anyone who tells you combat daggers is better in pvp than combat swords has obviously never played both in pvp. you dont even get ambush crits with a combat dagger spec lol. your stunlock is the same with either, and you will always feel gimped without prep and other sub talents, so just play whatever you find more fun in raid.

[@liangzima4197]

Awesome video zatar. Love all your videos. Could you post more often? Can’t wait for your next video

[@v0xyTV]

In my eyes as rogue player www.classicwowbuilds.com/build/view/4a7c1339-4e7b-4709-a30a-14f4a6e7f957/pvp-dagger-rogue

[@romberkovic]

Great video as always, any changes to dagger enchants in this phase or still +5 dmg and crusader? Also, might be a noob question but what is the crit cap and is it possible to go seal fate in this phase and be viable? If so, what items would you change?

[@tuborg38]

I play seal fate, and i do good dmg, especially on vael because of the backstabs proccing extra c-points, my only problem is that I do not have the tooth yet, only the gut gore ripper, so the poisons do not procc as often, and i have not bothered enchanted my OH with crusader, because I intend to swap it with the 1.6 speed tooth 🙂

[@chazfernandes9840]

15 agi on offhand, +5 dmg to main hand.

[@Greynth]

double crusader for min/max PvE. If you're scared of RNG then do +15 agi in offhand. Only do +5 on MH dagger if you think you'll PvP BY CHOICE. If you're a PvE hero then put Crusader on the MH.

[@daaaannk4362]

@@Greynth i would still take crusader for pvp for the heal and burst, has the potential to swing fights really hard.

[@yeee321]

@@Greynth no min/max pve daggers is +5 wep damage on MH and crusader on OH

[@Darkdeaths994]

Yea I would just upgrade the dagger just because it looks cool

[@peterpolakovic870]

Yeey! Made my day

[@TheFitDragon]

I got the neck and bracers so far. We are dong rogue tier in my guild based on performance and building full t2 for one rogue at a time. Swords being the prio as long as performance matches need. I am curious how long it will take to see the swords... /drool -- also the chance of a rogue getting half the items in this video is highly unlikely. They are just to good for druids/ wars

[@MS-pw6jx]

Will we replace R10 legs/head in ZG?

[@PaddyBcummins]

Could you say something about Enchants on weapon for PvE? 2x Crusader or MH Crus, OH 15agi (as Combat Swords non-human)?

[@shadowdragon8168]

Paddy C. Duel crusader is the best, but the 15 agi in offhand is ok. If you have both bis swords, use duel crusader, but if your offhand isn’t the best, I would say use the 15 agi if it’s cheaper then crusader.

[@daaaannk4362]

pick what you like better. I like crusader's glow and burst potential - popping cooldowns on a crusader proc is fun and the proc is also really good in pvp.

[@Flohrd]

Hi Zatar, Hi everyone! Could some explain me/give more info about why Maladath is not that good for Humans? I've heard weapon skills cap at 308, but I'd like to know more about the topic

[@Revmemphis]

Humans rogues have +5 sword skill as racial and you also get +5 from the spec (2/2 Expertise) which puts you at 310 weaponskill. So you do not need the +4 from Maladath. Human warriors does need it as well as non human sword rogues. To reach 309.

[@daaaannk4362]

after i think 308 weapon skill, you will no longer get glancing blows vs a boss, thus capping out the usefulness. i think it will still give you some hit % after 308, but that cutoff is super important because you will stop seeing glancing blows altogether. Its not so much that its not a good sword for humans, its just that its a tiny upgrade for them and a huge upgrade for everyone else.

[@DonPaluso]

im daggers. u say 15 agy in main hand or what enchants i had +5 on perdition and crusader on offhand

[@stab7576]

Offhand

[@wolfgangfierce9559]

Mint

[@60rsch]

Nice video, dude! Meanwhile, what do you think of a rogue using Thunderfury as OH in raids? Let’s pretend the rogue is able to control threat.

[@989896123]

Its not a that good sword, its incredible for tanks but thats because of the effect generating so much threat. The pnly way a rogue could use this sword effectively is in pvp

[@kramnik666]

"lets pretend the rogue is ale to control threat" how in the world are you gonna control RNG based chance of stealing ALOT of threat, its simple - you cant.

[@Greynth]

​@@989896123 Incorrect. Thunderfury is BiS offhand for rogues until Final Naxx sword combinations. Gressil/Iblis for Humans and Gressil/The Hungering Cold for every other race. If you're in a guild with your other DPS pulling nice numbers and a tank that doesn't suck, you won't have threat issues. edit: This is for any level 63 mobs and fully world-buffed; as soon as a mob is under 63 then TF is by far the bis offhand for rogues.

[@Greynth]

@@kramnik666 Yes you can; it's called not having a dogshit tank

[@GthangMan]

your combat daggers build has ~15% hit; are you still taking precision talents for the hit (bringing you to ~20% hit)?

[@Zatar]

Yes

[@GthangMan]

@@Zatar ty, and how much crit are you sitting at unbuffed?

[@caradrin]

What about mugger belt +5 dagger is it worth consider going 315 dagger is impact so big ? :)

[@Zatar]

308 weapon skill is all you ever want. After that, weapon skill has little effect.

[@Cynsham]

After 308 weapon skill the DR is so large you're basically just losing damage. Better to just use a belt with better stats if you're already using core leather gloves and enough hit.

[@lastcasttv1421]

Another sick video man can’t wait for macros!

[@stab7576]

The dagger set has 14% hit isn’t that too much ?

[@Myreset]

Wait, why do u not use 2 set for pvp for pve then? Oh cuz 8 piece set? What if u dont have 8 piece set yet?

[@andreascosta4251]

Whats the crit cap for dagger rogue

[@Acepitcher95]

You da man - acepitcher95

[@mrshmitt4583]

Hey Zatar! What do u think about seal fate daggers build? Is it more profitable than combat dagger for BWL and MC?

[@CDirk1]

Combat sword>c dagger> seal fate in terms of dps. It will always be that way in Classic

[@Greynth]

@@CDirk1 incorrect. In a vaccum, the specs "swap" top DPS in each raid tier. Daggers MC, Swords BWL, Daggers AQ, Swords Naxx. In reality, both specs are so close in DPS that it will come down to the player's execution. Most important is to determine which playstyle you prefer and stick with that. In regards to Seal Fate vs. Combat. In a Vacuum as well, Combat will outperform SF at all raid tiers. However, if a "shitter" is playing combat while a "pro" is playing SF, the SF player is going to step all over the combat rogue. In AQ40 and beyond, Seal Fate is nothing to scoff at. At majority-Naxx gear it's very very good. SF absurdly fun compared to combat too.

[@Flohrd]

@@CDirk1 Playing Seal fate for months and usually among the top 5 dps of my raid, totally doable! :)

[@AllAboutKnives1]

soooo CTS is better than viskag in MH?

[@666evo666]

I dont agree with the pvp best in slot gear, Full Champion gear is better than the pve gear. You wont last too long with very little health unbuffed as a rogue in BG's unless you plan on waiting out every vanish cool down. The NS braclets are fine but even the blue pvp gear offers more stam and belt i guess could be optional depending on your existing stats, molten belt is a good option. I am very thankful to all the rogues that go into a Bg with 3k+ life, free honor.

[@Zatar]

The blue set only has 11 more stamina and you miss out on the nightslayer set bonus, more DPS stats, and resistances.

[@Zatar]

Also, I have not completed all of the best in slot yet for PVP on my rogue, but I'm sitting at 4.5k hp right now. The gear I'm suggesting will result in nowhere near 3K health.

[@666evo666]

@@Zatar sorry but the time it takes to get all that gear for a pvp player just isnt worth it. Unless you being fed all the set pieces in your guild I would suggest that any pvp player go for champion gear instead. I am simply not basing my choice on stats alone. Do you think rankers want to spend all that time in a dungeon. My friend has champ gear with 5k health mace build. Im sitting on 4800 sword build unbuffed.

[@ryansmith3651]

@@666evo666 Not everybody wants to rank. You do you, with your time.

[@blakekwasnicki1868]

what is crit cap ?

[@daaaannk4362]

depends on a variety of other stats on your character, but it usually caps in the mid-high 30s. if you have characterstatsclassic its a little easier to see when drinking that agi pot no longer increases your crit.

[@mumot]

Regret making undead rogue. Should've went orc. Hopefully they do race change soon.

[@vliv2609]

gay

[@JSalonsky]

Can you talk about the new info about HOJ apparently not being the meta for rogues anymore ?

[@TattierFob10366]

poison build when?

[@Cleavemonsta]

Why wouldnt humans want +4 skill? Its useless without any extra wep skill cause you need 5 for the extra hit, and +8 wep skill is what you should aim for to reduce glancing blow dmg reduction.

[@Zatar]

Combat talent gives weapon skill. You get 308 without Maladath.

[@thatfreshnerd6020]

Is Being over 9% hit capped bad ?

[@Zatar]

I know you still increase your auto attack damage. Until 25% hit you gain damage from hit.

[@wolfgangfierce9559]

Moar vids pls!

[@TrueLoser]

Is hoj still that good?

[@daaaannk4362]

scales with you as weapons + gear get better, so it stays good for a long time

[@Dreamtoberich]

hmmm i believe ur wrong man BF shoulders are junk from what i heard

[@Firescout23]

Maladath is still about a 2 dps upgrade for humans. Still shouldn't be using it unless everyone who actually needs it has it

[@proxsea7496]

An upgrade is an upgrade. Sitting with krol & mirah's double crusader, I'd still roll on it.

[@Firescout23]

@@proxsea7496 Brut blade is a 20% drop chance. You're probably going to get that before you even see Maladath

[@SamSam-bg6ok]

@@Firescout23 and its better for humans :)

[@proxsea7496]

@@Firescout23 You would think.

[@timmyboy321]

Most reliable resources I’ve seen have shown that brut is better for humans, what’s your source for that!

[@agelaaast]

Don Who?lio's

[@zacrion]

For pvp 5/5 r14 set or 8/8 t1 are still the best and will be the best untill the nax.

[@zmm9650]

daggers Slightly better for rogs atm tho :s

[@bobpatrick9580]

The most of what you say is wrong ... sorry for the 20k rogue who saw that.

[@Zatar]

Could you expand on what you think is wrong?

[@bobpatrick9580]

@@Zatar full t2 bis pve???? what you need more xD

[@dahemion]

@@bobpatrick9580 yes we do need more info. A smart and polite person will ask for a proper explanation. A dumb one will answer him own comment with a pointless question.

[@bobpatrick9580]

And a guy who dont care to answer you or this men because they cant think on they own way

[@bobpatrick9580]

@@dahemion everyone who can think by himself will think About full t2 is shit sorry for you monkas

[@StashMc]

Your BWL parses are terrible.

[@Zatar]

What do you mean? One of them I got a 3. So I am the 3rd best player in the world on that boss.

[@StashMc]

@@Zatar no a 3 means bottom 3 % lol you want a 99%

[@Zatar]

Ah well, at least I don't have a 1 then.

[@StashMc]

@@Zatar I want to see 99s Zatar full raid consumes. The WORKS!

[@Shipley002]

LMAO 8/8 bloodfamg bis!?!? awful info

[@Zatar]

It is, if dark mantle is not out

[@quinngerrard6428]

What are good dagger rogue head and shoulder options if you dont intent to do pvp whatsoever

[@Zatar]

Nighslayer Shoulders and Bloodfang Hood

[@SamSam-bg6ok]

T1 shoulders, T2 helm or T1 helm for extra crit.

[@Greynth]

In full P3 bis and with world buffs, T2 head/T1 shoulders instead of the 2p blue pvp set only sims about 7-8 DPS lower. R10 for daggers is min/max, but nobody is going to fault you for sticking to the tier combo