Phrozen Wash and Cure Kit - which also dries 😁

It seems everyone has a Wash & Cure station now, but Phrozen has gone one better. Their new Wash & Cure Kit actually Dries prints as well. Here I take a quick look at this innovation.
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[@UncleJessy]

Oh nice!! Glad it’s see they put one out! Great to see that they added some way to dry prints!

[@vogman]

Good to hear from you buddy. Yes, it's a nice bit of kit. 😁

[@Sharpevil]

Good news! I just picked one of these up, and it looks like they updated the firmware at some point. As long as you don't cycle the power, mine automatically remembers the last dry and cure times, and will default to those instead of 30 mins.

[@ItsAweeb]

These wash and cure machines are heaven on earth, i cant believe i used glass jar + sunlight for so long..

[@vogman]

Yes, but that's much more economical 😁😁😁

[@LoopeeDK]

Hey Vog on a totally seperate note, i had a tiny stroke of a great Idea i think you should try in regards of IPA recycling, iv personally started using an old aeropress to seperate with after doing the classic bottle in the window setup and it works AMAZING!

[@screenrec]

Thanks for posting. Very informative.

[@vogman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@juanofthekind]

All in Juan. That’s a fantastic option.

[@vogman]

Well, all in two, but yeah 😁😁😁

[@noxious_nights]

Helped set these up in my CAD class yesterday. Piece of cake - they use the same power adapter and there was basically no setup other than moving some stuff around on our tables

[@catnamestaken]

Cool

[@jod3000]

Fantastic idea, I love my anycubic W+C but internal fans are genius

[@vogman]

Many thanks 😁

[@tonywharton5220]

I really love these machines. Lights under the turntable and a drying option. I don't think the timer would put me off for the amount of printing I do. Must print some ghosts for Halloween 👍

[@vogman]

Glad you like them!

[@naddyice5399]

Thanks for the great review Vog! I have a question I don’t think was addressed; but does this cure station get the top of the minis? The bottom is bit but I am unsure about the top of them.

[@chickynugs]

Interesting, was thinking of getting one of these kits, as an upgrade to the pickle jars I'm using so far. Either this or maybe wait for that all in one. Model that was on KS a while back.. Choices. .

[@vogman]

There's always options and choices 😁😁😁

[@hollt693]

Thank you for this. The question(s) that occurred to me was, are you supposed to run the dry cycle with the orange cover off? If not, where is the air drawn from, and how is the vapor exhausted from the chamber? My apologies if you covered that in the video and I missed it. I'll re-watch it just in case. If the cover is acrylic (or polycarbonate, or probably most high-clarity plastics, idk), I'd also worry somewhat about the isopropanol vapors degrading it, unless they had the forethought to coat the inside with something to resist that. Edit: Okay, it seems all the examples show the fans operating with the cover on, and I believe I even heard you say that they're to "blow air around the enclosure". So then, does the alcohol just evaporate and stay in the enclosure, hitting you all at once when you lift the cover off? I have no idea why I'm so confused by this, but yeah.

[@Mrshyguy775]

Is the fan worth the $100 upcharge over Anycubic and Elegoo options? Other differences im missing? Would love to match my phrozen printer, but not sure if worth

[@svaarcaldersson6628]

I believe the reason for slow start up is to ensure that the motor doesn't engage too quickly and burn out.

[@vogman]

Absolutely. Stirring a liquid takes more force than folks realise 😁

[@hollt693]

The motor isn't going to burn out, as the agitator is coupled magnetically. The reason for the slow start is to avoid disengaging the magnetic coupling, which happens when the magnets on the motor get too far away from the ones on the agitator due to drag on the latter and lose their pull. Twenty-five seconds seems like a heck of a warm-up phase, but eight litres is a *lot* of volume to move, and perhaps they're expecting you to reuse it a few times, which would result in resin sludge at the bottom and more drag on the agitator, possibly requiring that slow of a start. Better safe than sorry, I say.

[@johngrant5749]

Seems a logical route having 2 units to save time. Do you think the 4 UV LEDS at the bottom are adequate for curing 100% of the base of the print?

[@vogman]

4 on each side may have been nicer, but it's better than just a reflective strip. Of course, if you saw my Better Cleaning & Curing video ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX2chXagqbWVrZY ) you could always add more reflective surfaces 😁

[@johngrant5749]

Thanks, surprisingly I had missed that video!! 😱😫 Just checking out UV leds and the beam angle of similar leds is 150* so the UV should in theory hit dead centre, but as you say reflectors would help. Aluminium duct tape?

[@morgaj21]

I have just looked at the shipping cost to Wales in the UK. I know we are basically off the grid but the shipping price is laughable - a total non-starter!

[@icullen1]

Dang I thought this was big enough for my AC M3 MAX but it does look really nice

[@vogman]

No... you need a car wash for those 😁😁😁

[@J.D.Vision]

Is there any wash & cure station big enough for the M3 Max?

[@coulterjb22]

Nice! I missed the sale on day one. I hope Santa placed me on the ‘nice’ list. Is it advised to clean the tank after most cleanings so the vortex spinning thing doesn’t get too dirty?

[@vogman]

Keep the fluid as clean as you can. Pre-dipping in a container of dirty cleaning fluid can easily remove the vast majority of uncured resin and help in this regard. Have a look at this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX2chXagqbWVrZY

[@capnjazz2858]

The plug on my wash and cure machines doesn't fully go in but they power up and work fine. I noticed that was the same case for your wash machine; is it supposed to be like that? My Sonic Mighty 8K and Sonic Saber have the plug go in fully so just wanting to make sure I didn't get a defective unit.

[@Throgmoyd]

As always, a tremendously helpful and fair review (thank you). I don't suppose that you have any assessment, opinion or figures on the costs of running 3D printers, or wash & cure stations? Given the current energy crisis and increased costs, I am wary of those hidden costs. Thanks and keep up the amazing work!

[@vogman]

Sorry, no. I've never looked at them in that regard.

[@hollt693]

@@vogman Didn't you mention energy consumption in your review of the... I think it was the Anycubic Photon D2? I could've sworn you said that DLP printers use less energy than LCD ones. Something like that. At any rate, I'm sure resin printing (including post-curing) *must* require less electricity than FDM, as keeping a nozzle and build plate heated can't be terribly energy efficient.

[@kumarsalib722]

Physically, it looks like a great product. The cure machine could stand to have a better interface. What would be the use case for running the cure for hours?

[@svaarcaldersson6628]

To over cure resin waste or resin that resides in water/IPA.

[@vogman]

It will cure for a maximum of 2 hours, then you'd need to restart it 😁

[@kumarsalib722]

@@svaarcaldersson6628 I feel like outside in the sun would be easier for that.

[@svaarcaldersson6628]

@@kumarsalib722 definitely, however may not a option if people have pets/kids/wildlife or otherwise may not be able to do so.

[@ccatlett1984]

I'm curious if the fans are actually explosion proof, since IPA vapors are no joke.

[@vogman]

I can't imagine that there would be anywhere near enough vapours to achieve that. 😁

[@SestoMazzanti]

Very informative video and excelent video editing skills.

[@vogman]

Much appreciated!

[@DeepVeinThrombonus]

Dear lord, these 3D printer companies are putting out new (or upgrading older) products faster than I can keep track of them. Seems like every time I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on a purchase something new and shiny comes out and distracts my fickle monkey brain. On an aside, have you by any chance looked into hollow casting? It seems like it would be quite a challenge with 3D prints but would save quite a bit of metal for larger prints

[@hollt693]

Why would hollow casting be any more difficult with 3D prints? (Other than having to design the models accordingly.)

[@scotthendricks79]

Surprised it doesn't do both at the same time

[@rbrentw]

Looks great but $150 shipping to the US kills it for me.

[@svaarcaldersson6628]

Wait until it pops up on their Amazon site. Right now the pre-orders shipping was free, and I doubt they have built enough to supply warehouse companies like Amazon.

[@vogman]

Maybe it will hit Amazon soon 😁

[@J.D.Vision]

Is this a better option compared to the Anycubic Wash & Cure Plus?... By the way, KZbin un-subscribed me from your channel, just found it again by looking for a Phrozen Wash & Cure Kit review.

[@imuz8644]

Do you think the cleaner will hold the Sonic Mighty 4k build plate in it?

[@andrewg9996]

It doesn’t. Mine arrived today and the gap is slightly too big for the Mighty 4K. Vaguely annoying😂😂but hey, I’ll use the basket to wash the minis, and then use it again to wash the plate.

[@ShapingSilver]

It sounds like a nice piece of kit.... *sigh* Now I want one, but know I don't have the space. 🤣 What happened to the printer-heater video? I'm looking forward to seeing that one. have a nice one, buddy!

[@vogman]

Well it's basic. It's simple. But it works... we're not all Electronic Engineers 😉😁😁😁 Coming in the next video.

[@Zacavelli]

when are we getting a siraya tech cast true blue review? give the people (me) what we want!

[@vogman]

Well, this wasn't an in-depth review, but there's plenty of info there kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKbMhpqQbtdmr8k

[@kongyiu]

I wish I can buy the curestation separately.

[@vogman]

Maybe they'll make that happen 😁

[@pradeepjewelsmith6671]

Photon m3 prime review .when it's coming

[@vogman]

Very soon 😁

[@Faux03]

This fits the Saturn 2 built plate right?

[@svaarcaldersson6628]

1:20 shows that the Saturn 2 build plate does sit on the basket just fine.

[@vogman]

Yes. You saw it on the video 😁

[@TheKdcool]

They should just have minutes and allow people to put in a hundred minutes or more if they want to

[@philoleson1780]

Phrozen has a horrible site.. if they are running a sale.. you cannot order the part at full price at all.. especially if they have run out of the # of units they have allocated for a region.. just cant buy it. They lost a sale because of this earlier in the month..