osu!mapping: mapping style

explaining what "mapping style" refers to by looking into a mapper and his development over three years
aka the deetz episode
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maps referenced:
Camellia - Routing by Shiirn: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Ayane - Azurite no Hitsugi by imoutosan: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Tomita Miyu, Onishi Saori, Ohzora Naomi, Hanazawa Kana - Gabriel Drop Kick by wcx19911123: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Electus - Whispers From The Sea by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
An - OrVid by RLC: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Traktion - The Near Distant Future by RLC: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
Infected Mushroom - The Pretender by RLC: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
nano.RIPE - Fault Finder by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
Aoi Eir - IGNITE (TV size ver.) by Guy: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
kemu - Wind-Up God by Eagle_Peak & deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/1...
Feint - Tower of Heaven by deetz
WOODKID - Iron by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/7...
Lifetheory - Daisy by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
Shano x 40mP - Natsukoi Hanabi by Frostmourne: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
Shano x 40mP - Kiritorisen by Frostmourne: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
Hanatan - Torinoko City by Frostmourne: osu.ppy.sh/b/5...
ChouCho - My dear friend by Frostmourne: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
ChouCho - Yasashisa no Riyuu by Frostmourne: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
ChouCho - Yasashisa no Riyuu by deetz
Rita - Alicemagic ~TV animation ver.~ by Frostmourne: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
Rita - Alicemagic ~TV Animation ver.~ by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
Receptor - Adrenaline by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
Aoi Eir - Sirius (TV size ver.) by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
Madeon - Pay No Mind (feat. Passion Pit) by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Porter Robinson - Flicker by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
MRVLZ - Her Name by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Nekomata Master - Far east nightbird by tsuka: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
M2U - Lunatic Sky by z1085684963: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Eru - Heian no Alien by Vass_Bass: osu.ppy.sh/s/1...
TrySail & TRUE - High Free Spirits vs. DREAM SOLISTER by Sotarks: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Rise Against - Prayer of the Refugee by EvilElvis: osu.ppy.sh/b/5...
Comp - Touchuu Aika by Mao: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
Infected Mushroom - Becoming Insane by Reiji-RJ: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
Yousei Teikoku - Deep Sea by La Cataline: osu.ppy.sh/b/2...
nachi - bellow by TicClick & Varjharta: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
La Cataline - Fade by La Cataline: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Yanni - November Sky by kazumikos: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
Ina - I wanted you by kazumikos: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Lindsey Stirling - Beyond The Veil by kazumikos: osu.ppy.sh/s/1...
Liviu Hodor feat. Mona - Sweet Love by kazumikos: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Little Boots - Remedy by kazumikos: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Comp - Higashi no Kuni no Waltz by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
T-ara - Why Are You Being Like This by kazumikos: osu.ppy.sh/s/1...
Ling tosite sigure - abnormalize by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Kana Nishino - Sweet Dreams (11t dnb mix) by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
paraoka - boot by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
Katakiri Rekka - Answer by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
Tanya Degurechaff (CV: Yuki Aoi) - Los! Los! Los! by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Shano x 40mP - Natsukoi Hanabi by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Camellia - dreamless wanderer by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
Brown Eyed Girls - Hot Shot by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...

[@condsy]

osu!mapping: the story of deetz

[@aldric2252]

deetz nuts

[@rovko819]

@@aldric2252 *5 years later*

[@aldric2252]

@@rovko819 you know it

[@majorehh]

"the deetz episode"

[@ATP980]

>mapper doesn't accept your mod >makes a 10+ minute explaining why he is actually right ayyy that's the boy himself right there

[@moonlitgalaxy5940]

Literally the life story of an osu!mapper featuring pishi as narrator.

[@zRunes]

I would want pishi to narrate my life story too

[@ZeldaMstr109]

more pishi narrations when?

[@ConspoLopes]

"People kept telling him his life was more important than circles. But at that point, circles were his life" Me_irl

[@kaaiplayspiano7200]

^

[@VINXIS]

dont udnerstand how ppl r saying this is an attack on deeeeeetz

[@phlana]

vinxis

[@MaemiNoYume]

ppl just watched the beginning

[@MaemiNoYume]

btw VINXIS, your music is awesome!!

[@Frenzy]

erehT olleH

[@pishifat]

thee

[@karamboubou8579]

iboneK lareneG

[@leg912]

niffirG reteP

[@Yvax99]

lol and you used world map that is from before 1993. Czechoslovakia still together... haha

[@CooOOookiez]

pishifap

[@silvercola9155]

pin this

[@dawgeez]

I'd honestly love to hear more about the mapping styles of different countries

[@ssaturdayss]

deetz: the documentary

[@shreedz3642]

holy shit this video is so passive-aggressive

[@Okoratu]

i think this only applies if you don't know both pishi and deetz as people lol

[@pishifat]

that could probably apply to all my videos at this point lol

[@Kingkevin30]

It could've been very interesting to see a Mapping Style Video about Osuplayer111/Andrea in the early 2010's :^) Copy+Paste |Copy+Paste |Copy+Paste |Copy+Paste | you get the point...

[@AnarkyCrazy]

This is Pishi's video style

[@fuwameanssoft]

Kotori is a great example of a mapper with a “style”. Every one of his maps focuses on repeated streams, usually the same length, and you really get into a rhythm while playing them. I can’t explain it very well, but it is very easily recognisable

[@cavemann_]

Every now and then when I feel lost I come back to these videos, and they help me regain the control over my path and process of thought. Thank you for these videos, really :)

[@acanalesc]

"Oh gosh, somebody didnt accept my suggestion.... ... i need to make a video.... now!"

[@pishifat]

three months later*

[@silverdrag0n_]

Having a mapping style is like having an art style: it takes years to develop and you're always learning new things

[@mestevesx]

6:42 At this point, circles were his life! The epitome of an Osu! Player life, you can evolve no further.

[@eddaren92]

Do you have any opinions on someone like HW's maps? I really love her maps even though they melt my brain sometimes.

[@pishifat]

hit or miss for me usually. i like most of his easier maps more than the mlg ones

[@gaiussangma5006]

Smulan HW doesn't have a singular style, all her maps are somewhat different I would say

[@eddaren92]

It's true, but even if most of her maps are very distinctively different they all go towards the "non-standard movements". I haven't played all maps below 4* so I can't say for sure but, I can play 3 seconds of a map and more often than not I know it's hers.

[@gaiussangma5006]

she basically tries to bring out a different kind of readability and flow in her maps which i personally enjoy, her flow on the expert diff of Nanatsu was one of the godliest i've played, sometimes it gets ridiculous tho, like sentimental skyscraper, personally i didn't like that one but that's just my opinion

[@eddaren92]

I liked skyscraper, probably because it's the only hard one I can pass lol, it doesn't feel all that confusing to read compared to the other ones. Expert Nanatsu is Godly, probably one of my favourite maps in general. Feels very balanced. Least favourite for me is Deconstruction star. Just feels messy.

[@KAIMAN420]

Deetz nuts

[@Nicti987]

KAIMAN I was wondering if anyone said that XD

[@EvilFunBoy]

thank dadz

[@lmt_osu]

Surprised you actually got the right gender for kazumikos :D

[@soritari]

kazumikos is beautiful

[@draxarchivingservice]

Feel like this can be applied to things like art as well. Good vid. :3

[@Sleezgaming]

Just had your video recommended to me and I must say your videos are awesome. Makes me really want to get into mapping but then again I'm gonna get bashed by all elite mappers and probably fuck up the timings lol. Keep up the good work!

[@kanikencc2698]

lol.... everyone gets bashed, don't worry bout those things....

[@SoulMadness33]

Watching pishi's videos makes me want to map ffs

[@radim440]

Hello there

[@izikblu]

Hello there

[@okinakaijuu]

I N T U I T I V E

[@bhyldir6818]

Hello there

[@naki2034]

Hello there

[@wintersky1352]

hello there

[@nickleeb336]

This video was actually *really* good. When's the movie come out?

[@slydoespie]

i just want to say thank you for everything you thought me the video's help me a lot you just got a new subscriber :)

[@wozza_dev]

Because of this video, when ever I see deetz's name anywhere I just go "Oh look its deetz!!"

[@arrdune]

Canadian mappers.... Triangles? 🤔

[@MedievalFluff]

Why did you make this video so rambly? How does an attack on Deetz prove anything? What does Deetz have to say about this? oh wait. Its Pishifats video style

[@serjin2008]

prntscr.com/exead9

[@tealsekai]

utterly savage m8

[@Wisoven]

Styles: Sotarks jumps Reform maps Russia Modern(?) (commonly changing slider velocities with very unique shapes and crazy gameplay) 2011

[@snugmarshmallow]

in description, brown eyed girls - hot shot is said to be mapped by deetz but it's mapped by kazumikos this is very important and needs to be fixed

[@Oqwert]

this deserves a full length movie

[@cashiix]

That image in the start was from a map that was ranked in 2021, or 2022. I am wondering since this video is from 2017, what is the map?

[@WowzackElite]

I have a question. If it possible to properly map a lofi hophop song? and how would you prevent it from being a boring map?

[@Deforser]

They should make this into a movie

[@ezekielleveriza4071]

I would just tell the mod “Idk jack shite about mapping... id even know how you found this map.”

[@АртурАлексеев-к6в]

deetz' mapping is nuts

[@waidi3242]

So, what's your job? _I make maps in some rhytm game_

[@grizzly0304]

Hey, pishifat! Is there a way to contact you aside from waiting for you to come online in osu? I would like to leave a request

[@asmylia9880]

grizzly0304 write him a pm on the board/forum.

[@pishifat]

or twitter

[@furball_vixie]

Really Obvious & Recognizable Styles: Gero, literally everything is symetric in some way.

[@fuwameanssoft]

I like Kotori’s mapping style, it’s quite distinct.

[@42tai-chan]

when a map doesn't look bad, but you hear pishifat call it garbage

[@managMent_]

Wow, this analysing is scaring me... I just map and check if it sounds and feels good and thats it. Long way to go... xd

[@ZeldaMstr109]

that was a different video.... wowo. FeelsGoodMan

[@kruk0]

what is that skin

[@Nozhomi]

random stuffs sometimes makes the map better

[@danielyuan9862]

yes but chaotic randomness usually doesn't

[@xXTheRelaxedXx]

"takes advantage of players expectations" *misses the next note as he said it* beautiful :')

[@Dasky14]

Wait... I see peppy's name in the patreon thank you ending. Nice.

[@lithium820]

new mic, sick

[@pishifat]

not new mic, but definitely sick. nasal congestion beyond normal limits in this video

[@dennisdkim]

What's your favorite map from this year?

[@rudyramadhana4127]

Frostmourne is one of my inspirations! ~theramdans

[@Harmoniou-s]

So is monstratas slider jumps the same kind of thing with style?

[@pishifat]

dunno what monstrata's slider jumps specifically are :( i've got a video talking about some monstrata stuff coming soon though

[@Loaskdngs]

pishifat will we be seeing more videos highlighting different mappers and their growth over time? I would love to see more of these.

[@pishifat]

not in this exact way, but yes

[@พัสกรรัตนวงศ์นรา]

Can you make the video osu!mapping: Monstrata? (just a joke)

[@paulakorber1482]

It's like drawing: Say that "It's my style" don't change the fact that is bad.

[@tennesseetransit]

yesyesuesurwyesyesyesyesyrsyesyesyesyesyes

[@Jmannorway]

mapper styles matter

[@Jakob7539511]

Hope that cold gets better ^_^

[@pishifat]

it's gone now actually wew

[@Jakob7539511]

oh, that's great :D

[@BigBeanBilly]

13:34 what map is that?

[@pishifat]

second to last in the description

[@BigBeanBilly]

thank mr pishi

[@craezy5602]

What's your least favorite "Mapping Style" then xd

[@thotsi]

make a video on why xanandra is objectively the best map in the game

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

I dont agree with you. RLC's Pretender is a perfect example for someone who is new to mapping and still got an even influential style. It was his first ranked map and it got voted the best map of 2013 and for me it is still one of the best maps out there. But when the map got ranked, he never perticipated in other ranked maps, had several unraked maps (i am not quite sure though) but no other mapping experience that i would know of. And still his new ideas and his own style influenced many new maps. I think modders shouldnt "destroy" a map but help the mapper to find what he really intended to do and help him express this.

[@pishifat]

i don't know much about rlc's maps before pretender, so i can't say if you're right or not. if he really did have his own style from the beginning though, i'd say he's an outlier when compared to the majority of new mappers

[@carlosdumbratzen6332]

Yes now I am sure. Pretender was his first beatmap he uploaded. And I think my last sentence even applies if he is an outlier. we should try to get new mappers to fully use their new ideas so maybe we get more interesting game elements

[@asmylia9880]

carlos dumbratzen so you want to help me? I mean, it even seems like you're German, too, so we can communicate better...maybe? :3

[@CXuOtaku]

It's probably better to ask him directly about it, but from what I remember I think Charles445 was helping him out in the beginning with mapping.

[@VINXIS]

this isnt true rlc has been mapping since early-mid 2012 rofl and theres stuff like THIS gem puu.sh/vmQwT/04f470ca65.jpg that was made WAY before the pretender rofl rlc takes MASSIVE influence and inspiration from nakagawa-kanon/dksslqj much like how deetz takes inspiration from kazumikos

[@mezelyus-]

you should change the title to deetz' biography x d

[@baeguette8125]

Now I'm scared to upload my beatmapps ._. (I see the shitstorm from those "pro mappers" incomming)

[@baeguette8125]

Tatsuo I will upload my beatmaps to receive feedback of course, but I hate it when people tell you whats right and whats wrong. I am open minded for feedback, but when people tell you that what you do is wrong and only theirs is good it pisses me off and thats not what I want if you understand what I mean. I wanna keep my spirit :/

[@Plaudible]

Seems a bit contradictory, feedback is bound to be a bit more subjective than you'd like it to. However, experienced mappers have seen and interacted with a variety of styles, concepts, and ideas through mapping and modding, so naturally, they will have more experience, and I wouldn't expect them to act as if everything else is wrong and only they are correct. If you can get over that slap to the face that your mapping is faulty in many areas, you can improve a lot faster by building on that feedback :)

[@FrostxE]

Respect pishifat for not even giggle a bit the whole video lol

[@danielyuan9862]

How do you know that this was his first take?

[@guscandes]

osu!mapping: deetz

[@LicensedContractor]

wheres nacht round 100 dad?

[@surite2573]

Good video........who's deetz?

[@asmylia9880]

I came here to see pishifat while he's roasting deetz :^)

[@fidelcashflow5976]

your morning: good morning my morning: HELLO THERE

[@9throchannel659]

Actually now i want to try to use a circle as a cursor

[@Dannya]

I would want someone to pick apart my map like that ;w;

[@kanikencc2698]

should make a new episode entitled osu!mapping: how to get mods? (lol)

[@hacccchan]

I want the deetz tower of heaven map :c

[@xDe3tz]

no you don't :(

[@hacccchan]

but I do though :3

[@Madgoblinn]

why? it's a pretty terrible map

[@hacccchan]

I like playing terrible maps. It's my style.

[@xDe3tz]

i dont even have the map anymore tbh, ask pishi

[@collinmclaughlin2293]

A true rags to riches story my guy

[@kuyaanima]

Didn't know mapping is competitive, probably TOO competitive.

[@danielyuan9862]

Considering anyone who plays osu can map, it's only expected that mapping is _that_ competitive. As pishi has said, many mappers in deetz's situation would have quitted, but deetz was just persistent and worked hard to become a sufficiently good mapper. That's really all you need to be successful in mapping and in general.

[@faizyusuf2470]

deetz VS pishifat

[@xDe3tz]

why we gotta fight

[@TequilaWolf]

i miss pishi

[@TheJor27]

Pack-A-Podcast-2-Osu ?

[@oxey_]

Monstrata: from bad, to good, to meme

[@Nevertary]

deetz nuts

[@legecy14]

im starting to think pishi doesnt really like deetz

[@ユイェン]

deetz

[@deso2]

soo nacht 100?

[@pishifat]

still soon

[@TheJor27]

so 2020?

[@pishifat]

hold your horses there

[@TheJor27]

2025? In transit

[@okinakaijuu]

I N T U I T I V E L Y

[@fabianrojas7223]

7:34 Sadly, I don't know anyone that plays osu in Argentina :'c

[@darkcrox]

Hello th- Hai awak... aums~

[@pachicore]

hmm probably not a good idea to take inspiration from HW and Blue Dragon, since they only know how to make their stuff work

[@rarebeeph1783]

I want to watch the video, but I'm actually just focusing on the voicing of consonants and vowels in the background. Hmm hmm hmm HMM hm hmmm HMMmmm, hmm hmmmm HMM hmmMMM.

[@int501]

alternative guide kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZLXiq18iN2DiMU

[@faxmachine1162]

I think I just gave up mapping O-o. I dont often have accses to a computer (or even then a chance to use the game), and clearly this is too much of a time investment for me. It apparently requires a ton of forum posting, studing other's maps, and then such. I know none of these people nor will I so I think you've just killed my hopes to mapping. I don't know why I am commenting to be honest. Oh well, I'll still like the video to leave something for you.

[@lev7994]

heyyy do you still map? or not? i might be able to "fix" requiring alot of forum posting by modding your maps intensively and giving alot of feedback! well i cant promise i will do that but if i like your maps ill for sure do it

[@Amrani964]

HELLO THERE

[@fidelcashflow5976]

pishideetz i ship it

[@forna4090]

Stalker.

[@smau5220]

deetz X pishi doujin please.

[@zuzumita]

*Hello There*

[@kurabee7109]

нет

[@Kofja]

0:00: "Hello there! so incest criticism isn't easy to handle" Ummmmmmmmm ok?

[@Kofja]

Also, i'd like an "experienced Modder" to mod my maps lol XD I like making maps but they usually just get graveyarded :/ XD

[@trojanleague2024]

a.k.a flow

[@Caesarsal4d]

i still don't know why u play with such a weird skin that looks impossible to lay woth

[@toky878]

lay woth

[@wilupp]

patreon money harem represent