Plant Based or Carnivore Diet? If I HAD To Choose. | Educational Video | Biolayne

I get this question all the time in my Q&As. "If I had to pick plant based or carnivore which diet would I choose and why?" The answer might surprise you.
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[@engineeredinsanity585]

I would love to see biolayne do a colab with plant chompers... both highly scientific and respectful, but with differences of opinions.

[@TheRealJackMahoffer]

That would be amazing! Great suggestion.

[@vashlash6870]

Plant chompers is amazing.

[@peterfialka5315]

Wow that is such a great idea. How to make Layne or plantchompere see this comment?

[@scratchfg212]

I’d like to hear the arguments on the need for protein intake. As far as I can tell, Layne advocates for extremely high protein diets, and Plant Chompers is more on the Dr. Greger camp (I.e., reduce protein intake to the dietary recommendation of 0.8 per kg)… I’m thoroughly confused

[@devvyas6751]

@@scratchfg212 its bodybuilder high protein vs longevity athlete low protein debate. would be very interesting to see

[@mcfarvo]

I love my omnivorous, well-balanced, mostly whole foods diet, that does include some more processed food products, and the occasional highly-processed, hyper-palatable food products; therefore, as long as the normies and carnivores and vegans all allow for the food market to carry my diet staples, then I'm good.

[@DiaJasin]

See food diet I see

[@HauptmannGallenstein]

I switched to almost exclusively eating easy to digest white flour baked goods with margarine and a soy protein isolate shakes with high fructose corn syrup and I literally never felt better.

[@DiaJasin]

@@HauptmannGallenstein sounds yummy to my tummy

[@Cowboys09WM]

Some people like to unnecessarily complicate things.

[@spaceman51974]

Balanced = lots of trash as well

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

I'm starting this new diet where I only eat foods that start with the letter "s." Spinach, Sour Patch Kids, sweet potatoes, Swiss cheese... Its gonna give me great results, I'm sure

[@hata6290]

Xd

[@kellyhoesing2573]

You have to try the new All Chips Diet. Have to be careful of entering Cheetoh-acidosis though, it's Dangerously Cheesy

[@nicoleallen3079]

😂😂😂

[@warrenrae32]

Have you guys been ‘associating’ with Matt Stone of ‘180 degree health’ fame. Sounds like you picked up his humour 😂

[@carneades4409]

brb just loading up on samosas and sopapillas

[@grth3929]

You didn't say eating meat is the holy grail of life. Carnivores everywhere are now very upset.

[@joe1071]

Blackballed by the carnivore cult

[@davidcottrell1308]

not really. opinions are like.....well...ya know.....

[@roberthoug7864]

I will say it for him meet is the holy grail of life. eagle Bunch of bull just to make a video to make money. He also has a video I see right on side of me. I was wrong about artificial sweeteners. well that isn't the only thing he's wrong about but then again, I haven't really watched his videos Because two minutes is all it takes to turn it off eagle again

[@roberthoug7864]

Sorry about the voice typing that's meat, not meet. Eagle

[@newfiesig]

Why?

[@R055LE.1]

It's almost like we're designed to be omnivores and eat a wide range of foods

[@paulhailey2537]

LMFAO LOOK AT PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND THINK THAT IS WORKING FOR ANYONE

[@paulhailey2537]

@@Hrotiberhtaz IT ABSOLUTELY HAS CHANGED. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE JAW BONES AND TEETH OF HUMANS AND ALSO DECREASE IN HEIGHT

[@paulhailey2537]

@@Hrotiberhtaz LMFAO BLESS YOUR HEART ❤️ IN THE MOST SOUTHERN WAY

[@RedScareClair]

Shhh! The zealots will hear you!

[@RedScareClair]

​@@paulhailey2537lol... Someone watches Joe Rogan

[@liftswithback4602]

This video reminded me I needed to subscribe. Among the clearest most even handed nutrition info on KZbin

[@AislingDonohoe]

Having followed your content for years, this doesn’t surprise me at all! 👍

[@slonly8355]

a very good video and a good reason to subscribe to the channel. Love the content

[@miracoli16]

It is definitely not just the fiber but also the plants and their valuable ingredients as such, which all contain fiber.

[@Corrans]

Thank you for this!!!! This is a great video!!!!

[@NishutiP]

Layne, your videos have helped me understand nutrition immensely. The pure science, no-bullshit way of information communication is so refreshing to see today. Thank you so much for all your videos!

[@thedoc5848]

I'd use the word "science" loosely here

[@slee2695]

Like when he promoted BCAAs..oh wait

[@scamdem1c]

take a look at bart kay. hes an actual scientist and has made a response video to this.

[@mas-udal-hassan9277]

He sells supplements 😂

[@westfieldartworks8188]

I did STRICT 18 month long plant ONLY based diet; Low protein, high carb, low fat. My cardio workouts were very good, but I looked horrible and everyone told me so. I lost a lot of fat and a lot of muscle. My hair started to really shed...and I was becoming depressed and experienced a lot of mind fog, along with heart PVC's, which I no longer experience now that I'm off the Plant based diet.. I learned a LOT from the Plant based diet. I've learned to incorporate MORE plants and good vegetables in my diet now...but, a little meat or whey protein now and again is a good idea.

[@nathanbaylot2754]

Meat all the time and less veggies

[@teresahunt5521]

I eat some meat and a lot of beans and lentils. I drink about 2 cups of milk a day and have a few eggs every week. I'm with you on the hair loss issue. If I start seeing hair in the bathroom sink, I know I need to increase my protein.

[@SLude480]

Low protein is always terrible idea. Don’t let the longevity/mtor boogieman scare you, either

[@hata6290]

@@SLude480 so you think 250 grams of protein is just fine and dandy? You’re out of it man

[@SLude480]

@@hata6290 mtor is more stimulated by exercise than protein. So exercise is bad?

[@owenturko2375]

I don't know if it is a good or bad thing but I just went off of carnivore after following this diet for 8 months after watching some of your video's. So yesterday I ate junk... sugar, carbs...etc... and woke up this morning and pooped easy for the first time in 8 months! Feel like I have more mental clarity as well today. Not that eating the crap food was good for me but think my body definitely needed the carbs and fiber no matter how my body got it at this point! I am very thankful for the carnivore diet as I did get my blood sugars down to normal on it and am no longer pre diabetic. also lost 60 pounds on it. But I think that you are absolutely right that it should be used as an elimination diet and that is all. I'm happy I realized that this was something that I probably should not do for the rest of my life. So today will be meat, maybe eggs, some veg and fruit and will see how I do with that. Thanks Layne:)

[@sat1sh]

appreciated your vid...smashed like. I like the logic and reason.

[@JimiHL]

There is no protein deficiency where individuals are getting sufficient calories.

[@JOHNNY34A]

Great video. It's exactly what I would have also chosen and for all the reasons you mentioned. But like you said, we don't have to choose, we can have the best of both worlds.

[@Pazuzu-]

Layne, a few things I would like to see you talk about: 1-Mercury content in fish. 2-Pork consumption, is it safe? Is it related to multiple sclerosis? 3-Omega 3s/Omega 6s, does it matter? 4-Organic meat sources vs conventional meat sources, does it matter? Thx.

[@Kwildcat13]

No MS is genetic, now flare ups may be controlled better with organic food but it doesnt cause MS

[@amandabousheley3189]

Pork, I'm also curious about scientific pros and cons of consuming!

[@arvidlystnur4827]

Good suggestions. Supposedly grass fed beef has the proper, or better omega balance, than grain fed beef, but is it all that much better, to justify the cost compared to salmon?

[@CryptoKeeper36]

Hi. I am a biochemist. I can touch on this, but I am not an expert. Take what I say with a grain of salt. I am a stranger:) 1. Mercury - hard one to answer. It depends on where you live, do you mean canned fish or fresh, what type of fish etc etc. Lots of variables. I can say it would take ALOT of high-level mercury fish to get mercury poisoning. Certainly possible, if you like eat 3 cans of tuna a day or something. But fish as a regular part of the diet, in moderation. Not a concern. 2. I actually have MS, so I have looked into this. It is basically false. There are certain papers or articles from far in the past that haunt science, and this is one. The pork/MS theory comes from a paper from 1986. It doesn't hold up as more data became available. Canada has the highest rate of MS per capita in the world but it isn't even in the top 15 when it comes to pork consumption per capita. 3. MASSIVE difference between Omega 6 and 3. A typical western diet has far too much Omega 6 and that isn't good. It also has far too little Omega 3. Omega 3 and 6 are used by the body for different things. The naming is confusing and make them seem very similar.

[@Pazuzu-]

@@CryptoKeeper36 Nice. Thanks for the info :)

[@examinator72]

The coolest thing I learned from this video is that for every 10 gram increase in my fiber intake, I decrease my risk of mortality by 10%. So I just need to eat 100 grams of fiber per day to become immortal. I’ll spend the rest of my life on the toilet, but I’ll live forever! 🤪

[@Wanker527]

Yeah I don’t like how he criticizes other claims that are only shown in one study, then cites a study that hasn’t been replicated. 😂

[@rijokripto3633]

@@Wanker527 he does that all the time... Why hasn he said anything about harvard carnivore diet?

[@brainlessoaf]

@@Wanker527 This particular effect might not have been, but most of the benefits of fibre are well established with plenty of evidence behind them. Including, crucially, a reduction of all cause mortality risk (albeit not necessarily to this extent). And then there's the wealth of general research regarding consumption of fruits and vegetables. Eat your greens, kids.

[@TheBwithers]

@@brainlessoaf Further adjustment for lifestyle characteristics and dietary factors attenuated these associations, but the pooled hazard ratio remained significantly invers

[@brainlessoaf]

@@TheBwithers Yep, 'attenuated' being the key word there. Healthy user bias is definitely a thing, but this has been considered many times before and the effect remains. I assume that's what you meant by "inverse" hazard ratio (less than 1 presumably), just clarifying that a little.

[@malangx]

Thank you sir!

[@saraatppkdotpt8140]

Very good video!

[@socrateszayas6298]

Where are these studies that he claims? Why wouldn't a "scientist" take the time to attach the links to research where he's opinionating on? I mean he took the time to attach his link to his supplements... #redflag

[@SWLion16]

Thank you for this video. Your point about a 10% reduction in all cause mortality for every 10 g of fiber added is amazing. Sufficient protein and fiber are probably the two most important components of any diet we choose. Thanks again.

[@Butmunch666]

Well fuck if we add infinity fiber then we get infinity all cause mortality reduction. We get to live forever. VAMPIRES BABY!

[@strikefirststrikehard780]

I posted this a while back as a poll on my ig. Couldn’t believe it was 50/50 for me.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

I just don't do extremes unless you have a health reason. I like verity and fiber, so I could never just eat meat. Just upping my fats and meats took some time for my body to adjust and had to uptake my (already high?) fiber. I feel bloated with not enough fiber.

[@emailjwr]

Man, I'm really impressed with Layne. For some reason i thought he was historically a bit dogmatic on the pro meat and low carb side, but now on multiple topics I've recently seen him really focus on evidence, we love to see it.

[@mas-udal-hassan9277]

He sells supplements 😂

[@crossfittx1]

Yep, and he sells suppis. To counteract all the broccoli and spinach he munches on

[@Joseph1NJ]

@@mas-udal-hassan9277 Who doesn't? Every influencer with a few letters after his name sells supplements. Why? The margins are good, and no one really produces supplements, all they do is label them.

[@2Truth4Liberty]

I am less than impressed but maybe I missed something. What kind of evidence are you talking about? Anecdotes and opinions are weak evidence. Cherry picking studies is also a poor method of research.

[@ChadLuca]

Its because he has muscle and talks with authority right? 😭

[@woodsonjohnson5106]

Hi Layne! What about all of te gmos and pesticides in plants? n

[@kimdawcatgirl]

And oxalates.

[@hawkforce4295]

I haven’t watched yet, but I am a carnivore. Since I started back in January I have lost 65 pounds and reversed my diabetes! Also why are so many vegans turning carnivore? And why did carnivore work for me? I’m disabled and do nothing all day?

[@bergudav]

Just subscribed, because you asked so nicely.

[@24killsequalMOAB]

Associational studies? Seriously?

[@Seanonyoutube]

Perfect linearity is still an interesting signal

[@TeamYouphoric]

I know what I'd choose.

[@hata6290]

What is it :0

[@eyeofsauron2812]

Intresting

[@lew3733]

"Fiber is so important for a myriad of different reasons" - what about people doing carnivore (no fiber) for years and seeing significant improvements in health? How are they improving if fiber is so important? Would you say all these cases are just exceptions or they're straight out lying? The problem with these studies is that they're always looking fiber diets against junk diets. Yes, replacing junk food with fiber rich whole foods will give you health improvements but that doesn't mean fiber is "so important". If people can go for years without (or low) fiber and feel great, one has to question the importance of fiber.

[@iamcorneliu1097]

Been pescatarian for many years and I feel great;

[@K0YOT3]

I tried pescatarianism a few years ago, but I'm mildly alergic to fish. I've been lacto for 5 years and lost a lot of weight (108kg to 68)

[@micamack]

Have you ever read Eat to Live? If so, I think it could be interesting to hear your thoughts on why your opinion on overall health varies some from that book. One of the main points made in the book is in regards to meat and dairy consumption. The book claims that meat and dairy consumption correlate heavily with some of the diseases you mention in this video (namely cardiovascular health). The book recommends a maximum of 1 or 2 servings per week of meat and/or dairy. Just throwing it out there, I've been following the advice of that book and my body is transforming just as the book said it would. I went from being on the cusp of diabetic to having within range of normal blood results in just 2 months. I was also able to pick up physical exercise beyond my imagination from just a month ago (capable of running 10kms and such in under a month of running training). I do enjoy your videos and your thought process and presentation, which is why I bring this topic up. I would value your opinion, as I am sure others would too, in comparison to a health strategy that I know to be working (at least it is working for me *shrug*).

[@sonja4164]

I read that book yrs ago, and I think there's some valuable info in it.

[@sportysbusiness]

"The book claims that meat and dairy consumption correlate heavily..." Those claims are based on very poor evidence, questionnaire based correlation studies. There are NO causation studies to back up that claim. That's the problem with the plant versus meat argument, there are overwhelming studies to back up plants, but they're all correlation studies, or study meat eaters who also eat plenty of carbs. In other words, the studies are next to useless because there are no studies just looking at meat eaters, not omnivores. Humans have eaten mainly fatty meat for 100,000s of years. To believe that meat is suddenly bad for us is laughable.

[@vashlash6870]

Check out, "How not to diet" by Dr Micheal McGregor. You'd enjoy it.

[@aslam7952]

I have been eating less (meat/veg/fruits/junk) and sleeping more, I was able to pick up my physical exercise beyond imagination. Gym/run on a daily basis. It's probably because you are eating less.

[@geno5169]

I did keto for years ! Years ago! I have clogged arteries now.! I switched over to eating plant based! Plus I bought organic plant protein powder with my fruit smoothie! I’ve never looked or felt so good since I’ve been doing plant based

[@kbkesq]

Great job

[@mosin9105]

Thanks

[@jasbhachu549]

Brilliant - Exactly why I love Layne's videos.So much knowledge imparted in an easy way to digest (!)

[@Greybeardfit]

"...to digest" 🤣🤣

[@p8ntblr1]

Can you please link the meta analysis you mentioned that concludes fiber lowers all cause mortality. Thanks

[@swisscarnivore]

Another random useless epidemiology study twisted by healthy user bias. Nothing to see here...

[@donewittit6607]

@@swisscarnivore yeah just like that questionnaire the carnivores were going around touting from Harvard claiming it proves the carnivore diet is good, it's funny epidemiology is okay like the Epic Oxford study that said vegans were at a higher risk for fractures hip fractures and other types of fractures this is a study carnivores were using

[@dinoideas]

Hey, Do you take video requests?.. This video had me thinking ... if you could make a video where u discussed the differences between dairy protein ( whey /casein) vs plant protein vs egg white protein vs animal protein. The pros and cons of them..

[@xabierazpiazu2679]

But Layne, the WHO claims meat is a carcinogen and therefore unhealthy. What do you have to say in response to that? I would like to hear your opinion on that

[@sportysbusiness]

Actually, the WHO claims red meat is a 'probable' carcinogen. And that 'probable' link is statistically insignificant and based on very poor epidemiological questionnaire based studies. When you realise that the study classified a meat pizza as red meat, and asked participants to remember how many meat pizzas they ate over the last 10 years, the data is worthless. Same for burgers, hot dogs etc as we know that processed carbs (ie the base/bun and sauces) are the problem, yet the meat gets blamed.

[@reallymakesyouthink]

I consume a well balanced diet made up mainly of cereal and coffee.

[@user-ou1ok7fd8t]

Well balance!? 😂

[@kbkesq]

One question that comes up based on the Dr. Greger videos, are aminos like methionine actually harmful? Are BCAAs harmful in terms of insulin resistance, cancer or other diseases?

[@thomasmaroney1892]

Great video

[@tonywong8134]

I'm sure you can do well on both, but I read a few studies where it is protein consumption (not necessarily calorie consumption) is associated with increased mortality. The more animal protein you eat the shorter your life span. This isn't to say animal protein is bad. I eat a lot of meat. But the studies said lysine and methionine and some other amino acids that I forgot that were most closely associated with higher risk or mortality. I think it's similar to a lithium battery...if you use the battery more and more with a lot of discharge and recharge cycles it shortens the battery life. I think that is probably similar to how our body works.

[@hata6290]

Yes, animal protein is less healthy than plant protein :(

[@tonywong8134]

@@hata6290 I don't think it's less healthy per se...it does help the most when you eat a low protein diet. But the study I read did mention methionine, which animal protein is the highest source of, increased mortality risk if consumed in high amounts. It's probably why so many body builders die of heart attacks.

[@Garrlick417Slacker]

@@hata6290 how?

[@sheadoherty7434]

@@tonywong8134 the reason bodybuilders die of heart attacks is due to excessive PED use

[@thedoc5848]

@@tonywong8134 association can not establish causation.

[@suefitness5613]

I’ve actually watched you enough to actually know you’d pick plant based diet lol interesting to hear the reasons again nonetheless

[@skrivtillpeter]

Totally agree if forced to choose I go for plant-based luckily I don't have to 😀 its Friday so can't wait for next what the fitness video

[@davidjones5570]

What fibre amount would you say not to exceed please ? Also what ratio of soluble and insoluble

[@danielgallant4986]

That fiber point is because you're eating less processed foods and overall fewer calories. It's not the fiber itself.

[@philip9650]

Citation needed

[@hata6290]

And

[@thedoc5848]

@@philip9650 yes, we need a citation that can establish a cause and effect relationship between fibre and better health outcomes

[@scamdem1c]

@@philip9650 bart kay made a response video to this. he talked about the fibre issue. hes an actual scientist btw.

[@ernahrungeinfachgemacht3016]

@@scamdem1c He is a clown and his views are not in a line with nearly all scenctists. To be honest i never heard anyone before claiming so much nonsens

[@jofortin22]

I am a 135lbs vegetarian and I find it honestly VERY EASY to eat enough proteins. In fact, I have to focus on not exceeding 150 grams of proteins daily to make more place for carbs.

[@Joy80JJ]

I do both...

[@JoshuaKeel]

Really appreciate this, Layne. Gotta get that fiber in. :)

[@priscillamichelle1889]

Not for me! Fiber seriously hurts my gut and my butt (yes literally). To each their own, but I won't poop for a week if I eat a lot of fiber 😫

[@whiteman2371]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@hannahb2383]

@@priscillamichelle1889 maybe look into the possibility of SIBO?

[@vashlash6870]

Agreed. Beans according to the world health organization is the single most effective food item at reducing death.

[@vashlash6870]

​@@priscillamichelle1889 Doesn't sound like fiber is the problem in your case. You should be able to handle fiber. Also what type of fiber cannot you not handle? Got to be specific. People claim carbs are bad, which is a massive generalization. Is all protein bad?

[@jacksparrowx1196]

I get 70-100gr of fibre most days. Am I immortal?

[@hata6290]

Holy fuck that’s awesome

[@joejoe850]

That's amazing. I get about 45g of fibre daily on 3k calories. You must be eating a lot

[@jacksparrowx1196]

@@joejoe850 not really just whole foods. Broccoli. Beans. Loads berries. Etc.

[@Normie_Normalson]

must be a regular mucus-dripping, fart factory.

[@thedoc5848]

Not immortal, you'd win any farting contest though

[@mtd7546]

Very interesting about the fibre.

[@tsebosei1285]

I started introducing carbs and yho I am feeling great I am more firmer now and hey I am starting to see six packs so grateful. My shape has drastically improved

[@geno5169]

We’ll I did keto for years. Years ago! It had me afraid of carbs! I eat eggs everyday for years! Pizza! I have clogged arteries! Had 2 A/fib! I switched over to plant based! So much healthier then any! Specifically keto! I did buy organic plant based protein powder! I’m enjoying oatmeal again! Great topic! I’m still at with my journey on plant based! Besides salad

[@thelastroar]

Oatmeal is the fucking best thing in the world!!!!

[@sarabennett6295]

Keto gave me constipation! Fiber is super important!

[@pietpadda593]

Omnivore all the way. If I had to choose though, I'd go plant based. But choosing either seems dumb when can just have the best of both...

[@hata6290]

But suffering tho

[@pinnymusic]

What about heme iron, IGF growth hormone as well as casein linked to cancer?

[@littlevoice_11]

Topic request... how to restore healthy weight with an emphasis on increasing muscle without increasing cellular aging through excessive mToR and suppressed autphaphy. Also connected to this, meal timing - how to still reap the benefits of I.F. and protein requirement e.g. should it be 1.5g protein per kg of current weight or goal weight? I presume plant protein would be a higher recommendation

[@Slappy17206]

Haha the more I come back to this video and read comments, the more I want a fat T-bone steak 🥩 with some butter on top while it rests. 😋

[@randytongue]

Are you sure that the Fiber studies are showing causation and not correlation? People eating higher fiber are probably eating less processed foods, so it might not be the fiber that’s making the difference.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

Eh, no one likes to bring up the healthy user bias. Honestly, all cause mortality studies aren't that great, or I'm too dumb to understand why they are. They are "all cause mortality", which as far as I am aware is your heart disease and strokes, your diabetes... but also your car accidents, murders, people who die from falling from a mountain, etc... I'm unclear on how you can glean anything but the slightest correlation from this type of information. I think most studies show that when you remove the processed crap with any diet, you get way better health outcomes, and that would include an all meat diet as well.

[@randytongue]

@@BaresarkSlayne Good points.

[@hata6290]

And? Who cares? Fiber is still really good for you so what’s your point? Fiber isn’t useless much less harmful, so eat your vegetables

[@randytongue]

@@hata6290 Any evidence for that statement?

[@thedoc5848]

@@hata6290 why is fibre good for you?

[@hashiramasenju2776]

How can you acquire protein powders like potato protein isolate Corn protein isolate

[@hata6290]

Shopping online. Just send me your credit card info and I’ll buy it for you :)

[@hyunkim1223]

10% reduction in all-cause mortality per each 10g/day of fiber intake is the craziest nutritional statistic I've ever heard

[@DaPokeBoss]

Can you please do a full video on fiber??

[@jeandenishaas]

2nd that! Curious to know how much fiber a day he recommends.

[@SirAlexanderdeLarge]

@@jeandenishaas yes! I think eating too much fiber can cause intestinal obstruction?

[@ProFow]

@@SirAlexanderdeLarge it does plumbing obstruction from personal experience 😄

[@joejoe850]

@@SirAlexanderdeLarge increase your fibre slowly slowly and your body will get used to it. You will poop more often but you will poop much easier too.

[@BobFosterMedia]

The most restrictive diet that has worked for me is meat (fish, beef, eggs, chicken) and fruit (mostly berries and other higher fiber lower calorie and easy to chew/digest). I have reactions to some veggies, and grains and veggies cause the most bloating and skin irritation. Protein + fiber = high energy and very difficult to overeat. Plus easy and clean BMs.

[@philmstud2k]

I don't see how eating all the meat you would normally eat for a carnivore diet and then adding balanced whole fruits, vegetables, dairy, nuts, and grains could possibly be worse for you.

[@RSYLIGHT]

Which one is better for surviving a severe COVID attack and cytokine storm?

[@jasonwheat5242]

I'd like see a conversation between you and Dr. shawn Baker!

[@1man1year150]

once you have done plant based for a bit, it's mindlessly easy to get protein. I hit all AA's daily and get over 200g. I've put on muscle almost entirely plant based also and im in my 40s. More Fiber means more full and better poops lol. It's hard to argue against plant based as more and more research comes out.

[@AustrianEconomist]

Yeah the biggest argument though is that it tastes like absolute shit and eating a grass-only diet would make me want to throw myself off a cliff in 5 days lol. Look man, there are certain benefits to a plant-based diet. But food is one of the biggest pleasures in life, and most humans (if being honest) will tell you that there are few things more delicious than a well-prepared steak or some fresh sushi. Asking people to give up on one of their major sources of happiness does not seem like a wise plan IMHO. I'd rather live till 70 with my current omnivorous diet than gamble on gaining 5 more years by having to give up one of my favorite things in life. So no, it's really not that hard to argue against plant based lol. Not everyone is a robot that sees food as a mere source of energy and nutrients. Food is a social activity and a major source of pleasure. Disrupt that and you'll find yourself a lot more miserable, even if you don't want to admit it's due to your diet.

[@hpcam1]

My experience too.

[@animatedmvs8818]

@@AustrianEconomist Well written. Balanced diet all the way. Fk fad and unnecessarily restrictive diets

[@Akihito007]

EXCEPT your "protein" is not nearly as nutrient dense as a carnivore/ketovore diet. You can't get heme iron from a plant based diet and you can't get as much cholesterol as your body needs compared to eating saturated fat, which your brain ALSO needs to run well. Most of the nutrients in plants are locked in and CAN'T BE DIGESTED, unlike meat. You ALSO don't need fiber for your digestive system nor do you need to poop nearly as much as almost ALL of the food you eat is digested when eating carnivore. Plus you have FAR LESS inflammation from the poisons and toxins that plants naturally produce in order to protect themselves since they also don't like to be eaten. The ACTUAL research not bought by Kellogg's and Pepsi Co clearly show that saturated fat is GOOD and needed as the primary fuel source for humans and that we absolutely DO NOT NEED carbs as fuel, let alone it be our PRIMARY fuel source. That's why everyone is so fat and diabetic today with their HbA1c so dang high!

[@1man1year150]

@@Akihito007 here come the keto zealots.... Literally look at WebMD, your body runs on carbs. I didn't say eat sugar. Yes you can get iron from plants, that's just a lie..... literally what? Your body produces as much cholesterol as it "needs". Not a lot of your comment makes much sense nor is it right.

[@RedScareClair]

I used to watch your content from several years ago and I remember you always talking about the importance i fiber. Also as a science guy, there was no way you were ever going to say carnivore. I honestly can't believe people take the carnivore diet seriously.

[@rijokripto3633]

Did layne do a video on Harvard carnivore study? i cant find it anywhere?

[@Dave-lx3vt]

Helpful as always. Thanks. Just out of curiosity, are there any studies on bioavailability of plant protein after it's cooked?

[@onemanswrld405]

Eat everything raw like Liver King🥴

[@manuelmontouliu830]

Hello, I am a pharmacy student. I think this is a great question. If I'm not mistaken (and if I am please feel free to correct me), heating proteins will "denature" them; heat will change the shape of a protein. It will not remove the amino acid "building blocks" that make up said protein. In the acidic environment of your stomach though, pepsin will break apart the peptide bonds (the connections that hold amino acids together to form a protein), but the amino acids are still there. Amino acids then get absorbed in your small intestine. Essentially, bioavailability of amino-acids should be equal whether you are heating proteins or not. Heating proteins should not influence the bioavailability of the amino acids you want to absorb from them. For anyone looking at this answer, if I am wrong feel free to correct me (ideally with sources). Hope this helps. -Thank you. P.S. I think there's actually an argument to be made that cooking meat decreases the energy required to digest it. I'm not too sure about this, but if this is the case then heating the proteins in meat could lower the energy required to absorb amino-acids. I don't think this counts as INCREASING bioavailability though. I'm not too sure about this last statement though, so take it with a grain of salt.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

There is this idea that the studies around this concept only tested uncooked plant protein. That isn't true, both cooked and raw were checked in most, if not all, of the studies. From my understanding, the bioavailability was pretty much the same in both groups.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

@@onemanswrld405 I think that guy is a nut, but I don't think he eats things raw. If you look at his videos and whatnot, he is essentially shit tons of cooked foods. Burger patties and giant trays of french fries, things like that.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

@@manuelmontouliu830 You are, respectfully, incorrect. But only because your knowledge seems incomplete. So, you can't just consume amino acids and your body uses them. The protein for your bodies use actually has to have it's proper shape (protein folding) in order for it to be utilized by the human body. Like, if you buy a big sack leucine, you can't supplement your leucine needs with this, your body actually functionally breaks down different complete proteins and takes what it needs. So, whey protein isn't just a bunch of amino acids from whey, it's actually formed proteins from whey. When you look at the amino acid breakdown, that is what your body can take and use from a protein source. If you have ever baked chicken you have seen that gross white stuff that comes out of it (spume). That is denatured protein. If you were to eat that (which you can) your body cannot actually utilize any of those amino acids. When something in denatured, as the name implies, it loses it's "nature", that is the function of what it does. When you denature a protein, you are breaking it's bonds and turning into simple amino acids, which cannot be utilized by a human body because it's not made to process protein as simple amino acids. Think about it this way: You eat protein to get protein. Imagine you have a machine that is designed to only take ping pong balls that are connected by little sticks. So you get these little things and you throw them in and out the other side you get two separated ping pong balls. For reasons of this demonstration, someone is at the end and this is the only way to get them their desired product, and the process is time consuming, it takes a minute for each little connected pair. You say to yourself, "it would be much faster if just pull them apart myself and throw them into the machine". But when you do this, they don't come out the other side because the machine isn't designed to pass individual ping pong balls, only paired ones. The human body is much like this. It's designed to breakdown proteins and extract the amino acids it needs. There have been studies demonstrating that bioavailability of amino acids (vs proteins), is non-existent.

[@knockingseeker]

Can confirm, was able to progressive overload at about the same rate on a plant based diet but on carnivore a few years back could hardly get through a workout. And feel loads better plant based vs carnivore.

[@cringeproof100]

Were you tracking your calories and macros? And how long were you on carnivore? If you weren’t eating enough fat or calories, or didn’t get fat adapted, that would explain it.

[@knockingseeker]

@@cringeproof100 On plant based roughly tracked calories to 3-4000, lots of good carbs from whole foods like fruit, quinoa, chick peas, lentils. Protein 125-175. Fats at around 50-70 but whole foods like activated nuts seeds and avocado. Was On carnivore only a week but fat adapted was not the issue. Have done 40-50 day water fast and lots of smaller ones and got “fat adapted” the issue was that after eating fatty meat or lots of fat in general I feel terrible and lose energy. I feel better fasting and working out rather than eating carnivore style meals so it’s not carb withdrawal. Saturated fat also flares up a lot of inflammation in my body and jacks up my ldl which is definitely an issue despite these nonsense claims that only small ldl blocks arteries, that’s been proven wrong.

[@jayrezvani3821]

Are there any brands that have a good plant-based protein blend that has the proper balance of amino acids? If not, maybe something to add to the Outwork line?

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

have you tried solent? the drink

[@cringeproof100]

@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannelbro are you kidding 😂 look up seed oils

[@kevind4383]

"Well, an apple a day keeps the proctologist at bay" certainly has a nice ring to it.

[@antoniaz]

Thanks for the video. I have been trying so hard to convince friends and family about the importance of fibre (I read "Fibre Fueled" by Will Bulsiewicz M.D. but I am of Greek heritage and always ate a Mediterranean plant-based diet.) I have also attempted to dissuade everybody from fearing soy. Everybody thinks that it either gives you breast cancer (women) or pours estrogen into your male plumbing. That said, I a, not sure what you mean here by "carnivore die." At one point you say "only meat." Is that how you define it? Is that the comparison? Because who does only meat? My keto-Atkins-caveman dieting friends eat nuts and lettuce and drink vodka. So it's kind of a false dichotomy to compare apples'n'oranges with beed'n'pork, no?

[@charleskhan5450]

Apparently there are people who literally only eat beef, liver, eggs, chicken and etc. No veggies, fruits or nuts. Some even go as far to say that some plant foods are poisonous to us.

[@Poogoo701]

a carnivore diet is literally only animal products, and for some only meat itself. Shawn baker is a popular carnivore diet advocate and he only eats beef ans eggs.

[@vashlash6870]

Atkins died of heart disease or a stroke In his 60s. He also died penniless sueing people who challenged his ideas. Plant chompers did a great video looking at the most influential nutritionists and who lived the longest.

[@jg5755]

@@vashlash6870 Do you mean he cherry picked a few long lived nutritionists? And Dr Atkins actually died of a traumatic brain injury after slipping on ice.

[@chrism746]

@@vashlash6870 Atkins died from a blood clot in his brain that he sustained when he fell on ice.

[@bill_monty]

I actually would've been surprised if you said carnivore honestly given that if you have a flexible (and thus more well-rounded) approach, plant-based is obviously much more conducive to that than carnivore is. I love having freedom in both what and when I eat so y'all have fun with the restrictive diets ✌🏽

[@billytcat]

With all you say about how we're in a fiber crisis, I was not surprised to hear your answer.

[@austinphillip2164]

To me, they aren't comparable enough for this question. It's an extreme elimination diet compared to a moderate one. The moderate one will come out on top no matter what just because of micronutrients.

[@DeePBurnouT]

Supplementing on B12, heme iron, vitamin D, creatine, carnosine, vitamin D3, taurine oh and DHA! Either diet is extreme but one gets you closer malnourishment...

[@Normie_Normalson]

on a planet of heroin addicts, not injecting needles daily would be considered 'extreme'. it's a meaningless term.

[@TheBwithers]

B12 is needed only on plant based. D3 needed for everyone. Rest arent necessary

[@AntonJirout]

@@TheBwithers Most People would benefit from B12 supplements not just plant based eaters

[@kevinshaw8655]

@@TheBwithers whether taurine and DHA are essential in your diet or not has nothing to do with how much better you perform, for your brain as well as heart.

[@mas-udal-hassan9277]

He sells supplements 😂

[@devonjon]

Bro, fiber wrecks me on every level. I hate the taste of vegetables. But I like fruit. Interesting input - thanks.

[@hanssmith8901]

Start in small amounts

[@scamdem1c]

@@hanssmith8901 why?

[@sonja4164]

@@scamdem1c gives the gut micros an opportunity to adjust to the additional fiber.

[@scamdem1c]

@@sonja4164 yeah, but why even go out of your way to eat fibre? if peopIe have some fibre in the diet(weather a small amount or more) and they dont have issues. why try to "start in small amounts"? unless if your goal is to increase fibre intake... but then again.. why? if peopIe are doing fine with less fibre. why bother increasing fibre intake. if peopIe do horribly with fibre, why should those same peopIe go out of their way to increase fibre intake? i find that i do better with zero fibre in my diet. should i force myself to eat something that wrecks my health?

[@sonja4164]

@@scamdem1c many people have improved health markers the more fibrous foods they eat. If you're not used to eating much fiber, and you want to up your intake, it is recommended to do it slowly.

[@yjk7676]

Thats what I do 💯 and feeling pretty good too literally reveserd my age by 5 years thats basically similar to the medditerain diet right?

[@vssj91]

What are your thoughts on the ethics or lack of it when it comes to use of animals for food, fashion and entertainment?

[@HB-zt1ed]

There are two possibilities. Option A: There is no consiousness, only a mechanical world. Therefore killing animals is ethical no problem (because they are only machines). Option B: The fundamental basis of everything is consiousness. Therefore killing animals is ethical a problem (because they are consiousness sentient beings). But: in this case, also plants have consiousness. How can you know that they feel less than animals? Just because animals are more similar to us than plants would be a very bad argument. And therefore you are not allowed to kill them either. This would mean that you have to starve an die (or maybe just eat fruits that have fallen down from a tree - but also they could still have counsiousness and feelings.) If you think on all this from a ethical perspective, there is only one conclusion: If you want to survive you have to hurt living beeings. Life is hurting others. This does probably not fit at all in the wonderful worldview of many vegans, but it is the sad philosophical truth. To live you have to hurt other beeings...

[@jg5755]

Plant based foods are no less harmful to animals and may actually cause more harm. Millions of insects, birds and rodents are deliberately poisoned to protect plant crops for human consumption. Using pesticides and herbicides are killing ecosystems because it's killing off the foods that animals eat. In England bird populations in rural areas have halved in contrast to a 17% reduction in urban areas. Petroleum based fertilisers cause pollution in waterways from run-off, killing ecosystems in lakes, rivers and oceans. Sediment run-off is also a big problem, contributing to the deaths of underwater ecosystems. The way we cultivate food is not good for the environment.

[@ssj_gabe]

Fiber is not important Lane... at all, but I digress

[@hata6290]

It is important Gabe… but I guess you’ve been in the carnivore echo chamber for too long

[@ssj_gabe]

@@hata6290 neither, I do eat vegetables but not because of fiber. Fiber is not even digestible, so it does NOT matter at all. Period, end of argument!!!

[@thedoc5848]

@@hata6290 fibre is so important you flush 99% of it down the toilet

[@kevinshaw8655]

@@ssj_gabe there are people everywhere who will disagree with you and literally laugh at you for saying that on pretty much any platform. It is believed everywhere that fiber has been proven, to be beneficial in so many ways. Of all the ridiculous things to believe the idea that it helps with constipation is the most amusing. When it actually does the exact opposite. The only studies ever show any benefits to fiber were when it’s added to a standard American trash diet. Eat a diet that puts your blood sugar to the moon and fiber will blunt the effect. Make it not quite as bad. That’s about it. If fiber helps you your diet sucks.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@ssj_gabe vegetables have fiber so there for you are eating fiber even if your intentions are for the nutrients instead

[@damien2198]

I prefer zero fibers (I love no constipation & no bloating). meta analysis evidences for fiber is too weak to use it as factor.

[@lillol9279]

+++

[@redragna3648]

"Meta analysis evidences for fiber is too weak to use it as factor." - Talk about the equivalent of closing your eys and putting your head over your ears and going lalalala.

[@NinjaSloth69]

@@redragna3648 Fiber is the "next new thing" in nutrition right now. People talk about it being good for you but you can't really feel the benefits. I do low carb in cycles, which automatically comes with low fiber. Digestion? Normal, if not better. Mood (some people talk about gut microbiome)? Excellent. Energy? Never been better. Then I eat high fiber foods (like legumes, whole grains) off cycle and I get stomach pain. Feels real "healthy" and "normal".

[@NinjaSloth69]

@@redragna3648 I believe fiber is more important depending on other foods you eat, especially carbs. It's benefits are almost perfectly in sync with what you would expect from something that controls blood sugar (which carbs raise). On low carb, you do not need as much fiber at all.

[@vashlash6870]

​@@NinjaSloth69 yeah cool story but there are multiple randomized control trials putting a whole plant based diet vs a keto diet. It's not looking good for your team lol. If you guys were so concerned about being in a state of ketosis, you would encourage whole plant based people to do a plant based ketogenic diet. Man I'm so tired of arguing about Macros, which is completely pointless.

[@michaelevans3942]

No doubt the person asking the question understood, as everyone does, that there are other choices besides 100% carnivore vs 100% plant based, it is simply a hypothetical question therefore it is not a false dichotomy.

[@laaneychoonz1330]

Rare to get such honest, well backed info. Also re. Plant protein, if you eat legumes (beans, lentils, peas etc), dark leafy greens, nuts and seeds, you really can get adequate protein, considering their low calorie content. Add 1 scoop of protein, and you're A for away!

[@amandabousheley3189]

Hey Layne! Maybe someone's already asked and I know this might not be DIRECTLY related to fitness, but I'm betting a lot of people interested in fitness might also be wondering... What's your opinion on the safety of tanning beds? They're often a perk at your local club and I can't be the only person wondering about stepping under the bulbs before summer hits.

[@Alias-gj8et]

It is extremely unhealthy, increased risk for skincancer

[@nicoleallen3079]

I love watching these videos and learning so much. I always have to chant to myself that I’m the anomaly. Don’t comment, you’re the weirdo outlier. As someone who’s allergic to entire food groups, I had youthful dreams of being vegetarian. (I’m not giving up honey!!) When you find out your body doesn’t digest legumes, it’s legit sugar in my gas tank. Besides, extremes on anything can lead to serious complications.

[@ChefFauthful]

I think it depends on personal experience they both can be beneficial

[@womp6338]

Thanks phd doctor layne norton phd

[@ThomasAT86]

Would be super interesting to see a study with a bunch of carnivore and plants only folks in terms of gut, microbiome and other health parameters. Love that you point out individual stuff compared to recommendations/study findings on a population level or on average. I think that's important. Love and strength, Thomas

[@teresahunt5521]

Financially, I was forced to go primarily plant based. It's not so bad really.

[@davidjd123]

Funny how poverty no at just a personal level but at a national level forces its people to eat cheap plant bases, not only is animal protein prized in modern world it was prized in the times we all lived in Tribes.

[@teresahunt5521]

@@davidjd123 I still consume some meat but I find ways to stretch it with lentils or beans. I buy high protein milk and I still eat eggs. It took me 10 months to find the job I start on 3/28 so I HAD to eat on the cheap. I'll definetly be taking my lunch to work. Probably a sandwich and fruit.

[@hata6290]

@@davidjd123 what the fuck are you talking about. Nothing you’ve said is true.

[@billywolf5958]

Forced to go full retard makes sense 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@davidjd123]

@@teresahunt5521 nice, yah eggs and milk are the best bang for buck in terms of getting good proteins

[@TheBwithers]

I had no doubt which you would pick

[@yanwain9454]

i keep hearing veganism compared to carnivorism or just eating fast food everyday but no one seems to want to compare it to a clean, healthy omnivore diet.

[@samalamad774]

Dear Dr Norton, Can you please talk about the benefits of eating organ meat? Would it be sufficient to get fibre from fruits/oats? I really don't like green vegetables and I believe organ meats offer loads of nutrition that greens can't and at a higher bio-availability. Your thoughts please

[@lillol9279]

people r so stupid.. Why make things more complicated.. Just google the nutrition facts of any animal food sources and compare to veggies.. this is just ridiculous, most plants are toxic, bioavailability of nutrients is phucking poor! And all dat plant "milk" stuff enriched with toxic seed oils..(sighs) it can't be as nutrient dense as raw dairy...

[@samalamad774]

​@@lillol9279 You need to calm down and stop hurling insults. If nutrition science is as easy as google search, there will be no need for scientists and research. It is more complicated than just simply reading nutrition facts. Fibre is very important for the function of guts, and it only can come from plants.

[@lillol9279]

@@samalamad774 ok, but why so much people feel way better without fiber? me included (no constipation when I cut all fiber) even after eating 2pounds of meat my stomach is flat, but if I add plants to my diet I look like a balloon and feel tired... I don't want to supplement with tons of pills to help me digest food lol so I think everyone should listen to their body, and if they feel like shit..that means they should change something

[@samalamad774]

@@lillol9279 "Feel better" and anecdotal evidence doesn't fare well in the science. Sure if someone can't digest fibre, they will feel better without it. This doesn't mean that their problem is solved and their bodies are better without it. The root cause of the problem need to be addressed. A lot of people feel great after eating chocolate and junk food. It doesn't mean it is good for them. Dr. Layne here stressed on the importance of fibre siting studies and meta analysis. I'm convinced of its importance, but would it be okay to use fibre from fruits and oats instead of veggies. That was my question to someone who is much more knowledgeable on the topic than me.

[@arvidlystnur4827]

I'm an omnivore who eats all kinds of fruit, vegetables, whole grains and mostly fish and whey for protein, after each meal I have a fiber chaser, a Shaker with water, wheat bran, oat bran and sugar free psyllium powder. Carful though, introducing fiber into the diet must be gradual at first.

[@JustMe-pq7je]

When I look around me as I am out and about, it is not difficult to spot people who are on unhealthy diets. I see middle to later aged people, many out of shape, walking difficulties e.t.c and you know that most of them could be in a much healthier situation if they only chose to eat sensibly such as a WPB diet.

[@MrRJPE]

I'm on a full carnivore diet and have reduced body fat, reduced inflammation, and reduced depression. A WPB diet doesn't sound anywhere near sensible to me. I'm in my 40s and feel better than I did in my 20s by cutting out all plants.

[@cringeproof100]

How is it sensible to avoid the most nutritious foods and instead eat plants which are inconvenient and make you bloated and tired?

[@TheStruggler101]

​@@cringeproof100 Thats the thing, if you feel bloated and tired after eating fibrous foods then the issue is with you. The majority of people don't have that reaction. Could be a digestive issue, or a mental health problem, the two are highly correlated if you look at the research. There could be multiple reasons.

[@dountoothers]

Assuming healthy diets are equal, make the ethical choice.

[@Cloppa2000]

So glad I saw this one. Has put my mind at rest once and for all.. Layne does not have a clue! Dunning-Kruger much!!!

[@gnir81]

Ah the confidence with which you say that😅

[@buttmuddbrooks]

He would choose plant based because you can supplement with powders and what not where you get deficiencies. You know supplements, the stuff he sells for money.. 🤦🤣🚩

[@kbkesq]

You didn’t watch. He said potato protein is one of he best. He doesn’t sell that.

[@maxlarocquefit]

Hey layne, do you have a link for the studies broken down in this video?