Plant Based or Carnivore Diet? If I HAD To Choose. | Educational Video | Biolayne

[@mcfarvo]

I love my omnivorous, well-balanced, mostly whole foods diet, that does include some more processed food products, and the occasional highly-processed, hyper-palatable food products; therefore, as long as the normies and carnivores and vegans all allow for the food market to carry my diet staples, then I'm good.

[@DiaJasin]

See food diet I see

[@shaftofwisdom]

I switched to almost exclusively eating easy to digest white flour baked goods with margarine and a soy protein isolate shakes with high fructose corn syrup and I literally never felt better.

[@DiaJasin]

@@shaftofwisdom sounds yummy to my tummy

[@Cowboys09WM]

Some people like to unnecessarily complicate things.

[@spaceman51974]

Balanced = lots of trash as well

[@miracoli16]

It is definitely not just the fiber but also the plants and their valuable ingredients as such, which all contain fiber.

[@owenturko2375]

I don't know if it is a good or bad thing but I just went off of carnivore after following this diet for 8 months after watching some of your video's. So yesterday I ate junk... sugar, carbs...etc... and woke up this morning and pooped easy for the first time in 8 months! Feel like I have more mental clarity as well today. Not that eating the crap food was good for me but think my body definitely needed the carbs and fiber no matter how my body got it at this point! I am very thankful for the carnivore diet as I did get my blood sugars down to normal on it and am no longer pre diabetic. also lost 60 pounds on it. But I think that you are absolutely right that it should be used as an elimination diet and that is all. I'm happy I realized that this was something that I probably should not do for the rest of my life. So today will be meat, maybe eggs, some veg and fruit and will see how I do with that. Thanks Layne:)

[@Umisaki46-ev6fc]

How did it went?

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

I can't do full carnivore either... which is a downer as I have autoimmune. I eat at least 50% meat. Went from 90% to 70 to 50. I have to be able to poop... and sleep!

[@doddgarger6806]

Learn from Dr Bikman about insulin and you might understand better why you healed eating properly 😅

[@engineeredinsanity585]

I would love to see biolayne do a colab with plant chompers... both highly scientific and respectful, but with differences of opinions.

[@NewEnglandInSeattle]

That would be amazing! Great suggestion.

[@vashlash6870]

Plant chompers is amazing.

[@peterfialka5315]

Wow that is such a great idea. How to make Layne or plantchompere see this comment?

[@scratchfg212]

I’d like to hear the arguments on the need for protein intake. As far as I can tell, Layne advocates for extremely high protein diets, and Plant Chompers is more on the Dr. Greger camp (I.e., reduce protein intake to the dietary recommendation of 0.8 per kg)… I’m thoroughly confused

[@devvyas6751]

@@scratchfg212 its bodybuilder high protein vs longevity athlete low protein debate. would be very interesting to see

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

I'm starting this new diet where I only eat foods that start with the letter "s." Spinach, Sour Patch Kids, sweet potatoes, Swiss cheese... Its gonna give me great results, I'm sure

[@hata6290]

Xd

[@kellyhoesing2573]

You have to try the new All Chips Diet. Have to be careful of entering Cheetoh-acidosis though, it's Dangerously Cheesy

[@nicoleallen3079]

😂😂😂

[@warrenrae32]

Have you guys been ‘associating’ with Matt Stone of ‘180 degree health’ fame. Sounds like you picked up his humour 😂

[@carneades4409]

brb just loading up on samosas and sopapillas

[@DrewBaye]

"The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it." - Alberto Brandolini I hope most recognize and appreciate the effort you put into these videos.

[@grth3929]

You didn't say eating meat is the holy grail of life. Carnivores everywhere are now very upset.

[@joe1071]

Blackballed by the carnivore cult

[@davidcottrell1308]

not really. opinions are like.....well...ya know.....

[@roberthoug7864]

I will say it for him meet is the holy grail of life. eagle Bunch of bull just to make a video to make money. He also has a video I see right on side of me. I was wrong about artificial sweeteners. well that isn't the only thing he's wrong about but then again, I haven't really watched his videos Because two minutes is all it takes to turn it off eagle again

[@roberthoug7864]

Sorry about the voice typing that's meat, not meet. Eagle

[@newfiesig]

Why?

[@John-mw3jf]

This man is the most logical diet person by far. One problem with the entire diet discourse is that humans tend to think in binary terms. A is good, Bis bad. but few consider that one of the big reasons we are still around is that we evolved as omnivores. eat what you can find. It is a huge evolutionary advantage to be able to survive on a wide variety of foods. embrace it.. b

[@R055LE.1]

It's almost like we're designed to be omnivores and eat a wide range of foods

[@paulhailey2537]

LMFAO LOOK AT PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND THINK THAT IS WORKING FOR ANYONE

[@paulhailey2537]

@@NoumenonAndPhenomenon IT ABSOLUTELY HAS CHANGED. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE JAW BONES AND TEETH OF HUMANS AND ALSO DECREASE IN HEIGHT

[@paulhailey2537]

@@NoumenonAndPhenomenon LMFAO BLESS YOUR HEART ❤️ IN THE MOST SOUTHERN WAY

[@RedScareClair]

Shhh! The zealots will hear you!

[@RedScareClair]

​@@paulhailey2537lol... Someone watches Joe Rogan

[@Pazuzu-]

Layne, a few things I would like to see you talk about: 1-Mercury content in fish. 2-Pork consumption, is it safe? Is it related to multiple sclerosis? 3-Omega 3s/Omega 6s, does it matter? 4-Organic meat sources vs conventional meat sources, does it matter? Thx.

[@amandabousheley3189]

Pork, I'm also curious about scientific pros and cons of consuming!

[@arvidlystnur4827]

Good suggestions. Supposedly grass fed beef has the proper, or better omega balance, than grain fed beef, but is it all that much better, to justify the cost compared to salmon?

[@CryptoKeeper36]

Hi. I am a biochemist. I can touch on this, but I am not an expert. Take what I say with a grain of salt. I am a stranger:) 1. Mercury - hard one to answer. It depends on where you live, do you mean canned fish or fresh, what type of fish etc etc. Lots of variables. I can say it would take ALOT of high-level mercury fish to get mercury poisoning. Certainly possible, if you like eat 3 cans of tuna a day or something. But fish as a regular part of the diet, in moderation. Not a concern. 2. I actually have MS, so I have looked into this. It is basically false. There are certain papers or articles from far in the past that haunt science, and this is one. The pork/MS theory comes from a paper from 1986. It doesn't hold up as more data became available. Canada has the highest rate of MS per capita in the world but it isn't even in the top 15 when it comes to pork consumption per capita. 3. MASSIVE difference between Omega 6 and 3. A typical western diet has far too much Omega 6 and that isn't good. It also has far too little Omega 3. Omega 3 and 6 are used by the body for different things. The naming is confusing and make them seem very similar.

[@Pazuzu-]

@@CryptoKeeper36 Nice. Thanks for the info :)

[@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek]

Good quality pork is great

[@pietpadda593]

Omnivore all the way. If I had to choose though, I'd go plant based. But choosing either seems dumb when can just have the best of both...

[@hata6290]

But suffering tho

[@westfieldartworks8188]

I did STRICT 18 month long plant ONLY based diet; Low protein, high carb, low fat. My cardio workouts were very good, but I looked horrible and everyone told me so. I lost a lot of fat and a lot of muscle. My hair started to really shed...and I was becoming depressed and experienced a lot of mind fog, along with heart PVC's, which I no longer experience now that I'm off the Plant based diet.. I learned a LOT from the Plant based diet. I've learned to incorporate MORE plants and good vegetables in my diet now...but, a little meat or whey protein now and again is a good idea.

[@nathanbaylot2754]

Meat all the time and less veggies

[@teresahunt5521]

I eat some meat and a lot of beans and lentils. I drink about 2 cups of milk a day and have a few eggs every week. I'm with you on the hair loss issue. If I start seeing hair in the bathroom sink, I know I need to increase my protein.

[@SLude480]

Low protein is always terrible idea. Don’t let the longevity/mtor boogieman scare you, either

[@hata6290]

@@SLude480 so you think 250 grams of protein is just fine and dandy? You’re out of it man

[@SLude480]

@@hata6290 mtor is more stimulated by exercise than protein. So exercise is bad?

[@liftswithback4602]

This video reminded me I needed to subscribe. Among the clearest most even handed nutrition info on KZbin

[@NishutiP]

Layne, your videos have helped me understand nutrition immensely. The pure science, no-bullshit way of information communication is so refreshing to see today. Thank you so much for all your videos!

[@thedoc5848]

I'd use the word "science" loosely here

[@slee2695]

Like when he promoted BCAAs..oh wait

[@emris12]

take a look at bart kay. hes an actual scientist and has made a response video to this.

[@AshleyGrahamcracker-oq3pf]

@@thedoc5848why?

[@AshleyGrahamcracker-oq3pf]

@@slee2695what are you talking about

[@Undertaker93]

I like being an omnivore I love food regardless

[@TheDaveGaminG98]

All food is great and I enjoy everything

[@lew3733]

"Fiber is so important for a myriad of different reasons" - what about people doing carnivore (no fiber) for years and seeing significant improvements in health? How are they improving if fiber is so important? Would you say all these cases are just exceptions or they're straight out lying? The problem with these studies is that they're always looking fiber diets against junk diets. Yes, replacing junk food with fiber rich whole foods will give you health improvements but that doesn't mean fiber is "so important". If people can go for years without (or low) fiber and feel great, one has to question the importance of fiber.

[@learntoswim9050]

Anecdote obviously: The less fibrous grain and veg foods I eat, and the more animal, fish and dairy i eat, the more energy and better bowel movements i have. Personally I'll go with the quality of my movements, they convey health. That being said i do not restrict completely. I eat some fruit and veg, rice, potatoes, broccoli, at least a few servings of one everyday, just a focus on meat, my body is telling me this is the best for me. I suspect as a woman the increased iron consumption did wonders, so many are lacking.

[@gene5237]

Yeah just look at Paul and his carnivore diet…. Oops that didn’t last long. Here’s the thing, we need both, cutting out either is a bad idea. If you aren’t getting enough fat and protein, you switch over to carnivore and feel better. After some time you’re not feeling good again you switch back to carbs, basically not being balanced and giving your body what it needs periodically. We need everything, eat enough of both and you won’t have to keep switching back and forth.

[@xabierazpiazu2679]

But Layne, the WHO claims meat is a carcinogen and therefore unhealthy. What do you have to say in response to that? I would like to hear your opinion on that

[@sportysbusiness]

Actually, the WHO claims red meat is a 'probable' carcinogen. And that 'probable' link is statistically insignificant and based on very poor epidemiological questionnaire based studies. When you realise that the study classified a meat pizza as red meat, and asked participants to remember how many meat pizzas they ate over the last 10 years, the data is worthless. Same for burgers, hot dogs etc as we know that processed carbs (ie the base/bun and sauces) are the problem, yet the meat gets blamed.

[@gunit3617]

@@sportysbusiness dont forget that lasagna is classed as red meat too!

[@UnCoolDad]

Carnivore diet means eating the whole animal. Not just the lean protein cuts, but also offals, organs, intestines, and potentially the contents of them.

[@SaltyLobster]

Unless you are Mikhaila Peterson. All she eats is meat (beef and lamb only), salt and water. She can do what she wants, if you asked me. But don't let me start about how unresponsible it is to advertise this kind of diet.

[@UnCoolDad]

@@SaltyLobster she has specific disabling autoimmune issues which this diet fixes for her. Probably not the best diet, but the lesser of two evils in her case.

[@hata6290]

@@UnCoolDad actually she’s been caught lying about that shit dude, she’s just a loud mouth

[@thedoc5848]

@@SaltyLobster she looks great though. Lean, happy n beautiful.

[@SaltyLobster]

@@thedoc5848 And good for her. I hope it stays that way for as long as it can. I don't want anyone to suffer, and according to her story, she suffered more than enough. That said, her autoimmune issues, current wellbeing and looks - none of it dismantles my point. She is selling her diet (skeletal muscle meat, salt and water) as cure for all, best for everyone. She doesn't even eat organ meats, and doubts they are that important. Like I said before, girl, eat what you need to, but keep it your own bussiness and don't encourage others to do what you are doing (like your father does). Selling this 'lion' diet does more harm than good. It's irresponsible and dangerous.

[@robertiafelice1438]

My concern is that he doesn't factor in age. Sure, younger adults may get away with PB, but older adults have to deal with anabolic resistance. Thus, they really need animal protein to maintain muscle. Relying on plant protein for an older adult? Not a wise approach. Why risk losing the most important organ for longevity - muscle!

[@orenelbaum1487]

Or eat more plant protein? Or do you think that plants just have 0 of certain amino acids and quantity doesn't matter?

[@robertiafelice1438]

More plant protein. If you consume at least ~ 120 grams of protein per day (whether plant or animal), you pretty much have your needs covered. TOTAL protein matters the most. The problem is that most vegans consume less total protein compared to omnivores. @@orenelbaum1487

[@SWLion16]

Thank you for this video. Your point about a 10% reduction in all cause mortality for every 10 g of fiber added is amazing. Sufficient protein and fiber are probably the two most important components of any diet we choose. Thanks again.

[@Butmunch666]

Well fuck if we add infinity fiber then we get infinity all cause mortality reduction. We get to live forever. VAMPIRES BABY!

[@grahamchan4266]

The health industry needs your voice more now than ever. Thank you for your opinion and all the effort you put into your videos. Im subscribed!

[@calebandrews3271]

Might be cool if this guy understood the difference between correlation and causation.

[@gene5237]

You do you, and let others do themselves. Let’s all circle jerk each other

[@danielgallant4986]

That fiber point is because you're eating less processed foods and overall fewer calories. It's not the fiber itself.

[@philip9650]

Citation needed

[@hata6290]

And

[@thedoc5848]

@@philip9650 yes, we need a citation that can establish a cause and effect relationship between fibre and better health outcomes

[@emris12]

@@philip9650 bart kay made a response video to this. he talked about the fibre issue. hes an actual scientist btw.

[@ernahrungeinfachgemacht3016]

@@emris12 He is a clown and his views are not in a line with nearly all scenctists. To be honest i never heard anyone before claiming so much nonsens

[@KevinStock12]

So you'd try and supplement your way out of the poor amino acid profiles of plant-based foods, but it's a bit tricker than that if you're trying to replace meat ....what about vitamins like B12 and B6, minerals like zinc and magnesium, fatty acids like DHA and EPA. Choline, carnitine, carnosine, cholesterol, taurine, and creatine mostly found in animal products. Are we just going to ignore the metabolomics, meat having 40,000+ compounds unique to...meat. All because of...fiber 🤔

[@thomas-josephbowen1261]

Supplements.

[@thomas-josephbowen1261]

+ The majority of what you just listed can be found just as plentiful in plant-based foods.

[@hata6290]

@@thomas-josephbowen1261 YES

[@thedoc5848]

@@thomas-josephbowen1261 what plants did you eat yesterday for your b12,d3, epa and dha?

[@mandom4486]

If you want more more planted based b12 - duckweed, algae. Omega 3- chia seeds, flax seeds, walnuts

[@robjohn6943]

There is no physiological need for fiber. For that matter, there is no physiological requirement for any exogenous carbohydrates.

[@randytongue]

Are you sure that the Fiber studies are showing causation and not correlation? People eating higher fiber are probably eating less processed foods, so it might not be the fiber that’s making the difference.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

Eh, no one likes to bring up the healthy user bias. Honestly, all cause mortality studies aren't that great, or I'm too dumb to understand why they are. They are "all cause mortality", which as far as I am aware is your heart disease and strokes, your diabetes... but also your car accidents, murders, people who die from falling from a mountain, etc... I'm unclear on how you can glean anything but the slightest correlation from this type of information. I think most studies show that when you remove the processed crap with any diet, you get way better health outcomes, and that would include an all meat diet as well.

[@randytongue]

@@BaresarkSlayne Good points.

[@hata6290]

And? Who cares? Fiber is still really good for you so what’s your point? Fiber isn’t useless much less harmful, so eat your vegetables

[@randytongue]

@@hata6290 Any evidence for that statement?

[@thedoc5848]

@@hata6290 why is fibre good for you?

[@MetalSlug-ev5wu]

Here’s (not a) novel idea! A healthy balance of both as generations have done before us. Done

[@JOHNNY34A]

Great video. It's exactly what I would have also chosen and for all the reasons you mentioned. But like you said, we don't have to choose, we can have the best of both worlds.

[@Obligate.Carnivore]

I haven’t watched yet, but I am a carnivore. Since I started back in January I have lost 65 pounds and reversed my diabetes! Also why are so many vegans turning carnivore? And why did carnivore work for me? I’m disabled and do nothing all day?

[@carl-gormstenhaug7892]

Did you watch the video?

[@Obligate.Carnivore]

@@carl-gormstenhaug7892 did you read the comment you’re commenting on?

[@woodsonjohnson5106]

Hi Layne! What about all of te gmos and pesticides in plants? n

[@kimdawcatgirl]

And oxalates.

[@elizabethelias1005]

And what is the main diet fed to the animals you eat?

[@elizabethelias1005]

​@@kimdawcatgirlweird. I've only been eating vegetables for 36 years. Still alive!

[@TeamYouphoric]

I know what I'd choose.

[@hata6290]

What is it :0

[@hashiramasenju2776]

How can you acquire protein powders like potato protein isolate Corn protein isolate

[@hata6290]

Shopping online. Just send me your credit card info and I’ll buy it for you :)

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

I just don't do extremes unless you have a health reason. I like verity and fiber, so I could never just eat meat. Just upping my fats and meats took some time for my body to adjust and had to uptake my (already high?) fiber. I feel bloated with not enough fiber.

[@austinphillip2164]

To me, they aren't comparable enough for this question. It's an extreme elimination diet compared to a moderate one. The moderate one will come out on top no matter what just because of micronutrients.

[@iamcorneliu1097]

Been pescatarian for many years and I feel great;

[@K0YOT3]

I tried pescatarianism a few years ago, but I'm mildly alergic to fish. I've been lacto for 5 years and lost a lot of weight (108kg to 68)

[@jcrhea001]

Can't you supplement with fiber?

[@hata6290]

No :(

[@p7reston777]

Yes. I’m surprised he did not bring that up 🤷‍♂️

[@jcrhea001]

@@hata6290 how so? I've taken powdered fiber drinks.

[@micamack]

Have you ever read Eat to Live? If so, I think it could be interesting to hear your thoughts on why your opinion on overall health varies some from that book. One of the main points made in the book is in regards to meat and dairy consumption. The book claims that meat and dairy consumption correlate heavily with some of the diseases you mention in this video (namely cardiovascular health). The book recommends a maximum of 1 or 2 servings per week of meat and/or dairy. Just throwing it out there, I've been following the advice of that book and my body is transforming just as the book said it would. I went from being on the cusp of diabetic to having within range of normal blood results in just 2 months. I was also able to pick up physical exercise beyond my imagination from just a month ago (capable of running 10kms and such in under a month of running training). I do enjoy your videos and your thought process and presentation, which is why I bring this topic up. I would value your opinion, as I am sure others would too, in comparison to a health strategy that I know to be working (at least it is working for me *shrug*).

[@sonja4164]

I read that book yrs ago, and I think there's some valuable info in it.

[@sportysbusiness]

"The book claims that meat and dairy consumption correlate heavily..." Those claims are based on very poor evidence, questionnaire based correlation studies. There are NO causation studies to back up that claim. That's the problem with the plant versus meat argument, there are overwhelming studies to back up plants, but they're all correlation studies, or study meat eaters who also eat plenty of carbs. In other words, the studies are next to useless because there are no studies just looking at meat eaters, not omnivores. Humans have eaten mainly fatty meat for 100,000s of years. To believe that meat is suddenly bad for us is laughable.

[@vashlash6870]

Check out, "How not to diet" by Dr Micheal McGregor. You'd enjoy it.

[@aslam7952]

I have been eating less (meat/veg/fruits/junk) and sleeping more, I was able to pick up my physical exercise beyond imagination. Gym/run on a daily basis. It's probably because you are eating less.

[@geno5169]

I did keto for years ! Years ago! I have clogged arteries now.! I switched over to eating plant based! Plus I bought organic plant protein powder with my fruit smoothie! I’ve never looked or felt so good since I’ve been doing plant based

[@pinnymusic]

What about heme iron, IGF growth hormone as well as casein linked to cancer?

[@TheSoyestToEverSoy]

I would choose carnivore for the micronutrients and essential fatty acids. Micronutrients and essential fatty acids are poor in plants, when it comes to bioavailability and bioequivilence. Also, I don't think those benefits from plants are that important, if you already at a healthy body fat, exercise, optimal sleep, etc. Also, You're missing oit SIGNIFICANTly more by cutting you're eating animal organs, seafood, diary, etc, compared to eating veggies, legumes, fruits, etc nutrition wise. You won't micronutrients as bioequivilent and bioavailable anywhere else. Also, weaker reason is thar there could always be the chance that there's a micronutrient that hasn't been discovered yet and I think animal are most likely to have it than plant. My concerns would be for my stool and vitamin C though; however, I think plant based would have SIGNIFICANTLY more concerns than that.

[@donwinston]

A micronutrient is just vitamins and minerals. Meat and dairy do not have more vitamins and minerals per calorie than fruits and vegetables. Plants have phytonutrients. By definition meat and dairy do not have any phytonutrients. It is obvious that fiber is very important for long term health. There is no fiber in meat and dairy. The evidence is very strong that you are likely to live significantly longer and be healthier eating just plants than just meat and dairy. You are wrong.

[@TheSoyestToEverSoy]

@@donwinston phytonutrients, in case you didn't know, inhibit micronutrient absorption. Also, have you missed like half of what I said. Can you get calcium, iron, copper, etc from plants, yes; however, it's often significantly less bioavailable and less bioequivilent. Do you know what that means? It means what's on paper on nutrition facts is not all going into your bloodstream, let alone used nearly as easily by required functions in the body, such as enzymatic processes. For instance, there's probably 100% of your DV of vitamin A in sweet potato; however, a lot of that doesn't get to your bloodstream due to bioavailability issues and there's significantly less bioactive actual vitamin A, once that beta carotene is converted into retinal. Also, fiber is important and I never it wasn't; however, I'd give that up, if it meant I can have high quality animal based nutrition. Lastly, I don't know WTF you're talking about. Organ meats are EXTREMELY nutrient dense, especially calories equated to literally ANY plant food on Earth. You do know people actually worry about organs, right? Because there's an actual risk of overdosing, because organ meats are so extremely bioavailable and bioequivilent micronutrients.

[@emris12]

my parents had a plant heavy diet and had numerous health issues till the end. plant based isnt good. vitamin c isnt a big issue on a meat heavy diet for as long as youre not eating too much carbs. glucose and vitamin c compete with each other in the body. also, meat has alot of anti oxidants which can do the same stuff as vitamin c. liver for example, also has vitamin c, in addition to uric acid(a powerful anti oxidant, also water soluble just like vitamin c), has purines(which your body will use to produce uric acid), has taurine(another anti oxidant. works in the gut and at your heart and arteries), and has glutamine, glycine and cystine(used to make the master anti oxidant glutathione). as for your stool. it will actually improve by removing the plants. also, taurine helps with gut motility. when i tried carnivore i had loose stools for days until i started getting more taurine from lightly cooked meat(taurine is heat sensitive).

[@donwinston]

@@emris12 Vitamin C and glucose do NOT "compete" with each other. The evidence is overwhelming that plant based diets are healthier than diets with large amounts of meat and saturated fat. You might as well argue that the earth is flat.

[@emris12]

@@TheSoyestToEverSoy speaking about nutrient overload from organ meats. the trick is to no1. not overconsume them, and no.2 get more muscle meat and fatty meat. vitamin a, iron, and copper overload from liver can be dealt with by getting more vitamin d(antagonistic to vitamin a), vitamin k(balances vitamin a & d), exercise & taurine(helps prevent iron/mineral overload), and zinc(antagonistic to copper). basically its simple. just eat like normal. eat mostly muscle meat and occasionally a small amount of liver. i have heard of a carnivore before who got iron and copper overload. also, he stopped working out. thats another reason. there was also a bunch of adventurers decades ago who ate polar bear liver and got too much vitamin a.

[@Eline_Meijer]

I dont like carnivore but they raise a good point, whats the value of fruits and veggies if we can get all the nutrients from liver and multivitamins?

[@AislingDonohoe]

Having followed your content for years, this doesn’t surprise me at all! 👍

[@dyderich]

Before I even watch this video, I will call it. Between the two, plant based is better for your over all health. I subscribe to variety is best.

[@Pancajayna]

incorrect...

[@slonly8355]

a very good video and a good reason to subscribe to the channel. Love the content

[@yanwain9454]

i keep hearing veganism compared to carnivorism or just eating fast food everyday but no one seems to want to compare it to a clean, healthy omnivore diet.

[@examinator72]

The coolest thing I learned from this video is that for every 10 gram increase in my fiber intake, I decrease my risk of mortality by 10%. So I just need to eat 100 grams of fiber per day to become immortal. I’ll spend the rest of my life on the toilet, but I’ll live forever! 🤪

[@Wanker527]

Yeah I don’t like how he criticizes other claims that are only shown in one study, then cites a study that hasn’t been replicated. 😂

[@rijokripto3633]

@@Wanker527 he does that all the time... Why hasn he said anything about harvard carnivore diet?

[@brainlessoaf]

@@Wanker527 This particular effect might not have been, but most of the benefits of fibre are well established with plenty of evidence behind them. Including, crucially, a reduction of all cause mortality risk (albeit not necessarily to this extent). And then there's the wealth of general research regarding consumption of fruits and vegetables. Eat your greens, kids.

[@ChillFantasticFive]

@@brainlessoaf Further adjustment for lifestyle characteristics and dietary factors attenuated these associations, but the pooled hazard ratio remained significantly invers

[@brainlessoaf]

@@ChillFantasticFive Yep, 'attenuated' being the key word there. Healthy user bias is definitely a thing, but this has been considered many times before and the effect remains. I assume that's what you meant by "inverse" hazard ratio (less than 1 presumably), just clarifying that a little.

[@SJD2013]

I went from practicality vegetarian to strict carnivore. Cystic acne, gone. Joint inflammation, gone. Insulin resistance, gone. Headaches, gone. 13lbs of weight, gone. IBS, gone. I have energy. I feel pretty damn good. I think clearly. All in 2 months. I won't argue with something I EXPERIENCED with my own eyes.

[@DaPokeBoss]

Can you please do a full video on fiber??

[@jeandenishaas]

2nd that! Curious to know how much fiber a day he recommends.

[@SirAlexanderdeLarge]

@@jeandenishaas yes! I think eating too much fiber can cause intestinal obstruction?

[@ProFow]

@@SirAlexanderdeLarge it does plumbing obstruction from personal experience 😄

[@joejoe850]

@@SirAlexanderdeLarge increase your fibre slowly slowly and your body will get used to it. You will poop more often but you will poop much easier too.

[@williamodell8634]

where is the links to all this evidence data you talk about??

[@24killsequalMOAB]

Associational studies? Seriously?

[@Seanonyoutube]

Perfect linearity is still an interesting signal

[@jourdanhamme3426]

I wanted to say thank you. I am sad and tired of the extreme emotions behind food. Diet means food. People should be eating everything but you must make sure the quality of your food. Mercury and heavy metal poisonings is in both plants and animals. Vitamin bioavailability in both animal and non-animal sources.

[@delanaveirs3411]

Thank you. I was a Vegetarian for 25 years, a Pescatarian for 5 & started eating all meat in 2020. Since adding animal protein to my diet my LDL has give up. I don’t blame the meat per say because my diet over all has been less desirable but in the last year I’ve started cooking again & eating healthier. No improvement on my LDL with low Vitamin D & high B6. I was following a high protein, low carb diet & adding in more carbs every 3 weeks. As I research lowering LDL I am begs to understand that increasing fiber & good fats while lowering saturated fat seems to be the consensus. It seems eating a variety of foods to get healthy fats also is a good idea. I’m adding more soy back into my diet as well. I keep wondering if going back to full Vegetarian would be my best bet.

[@princessl.d.g.]

Why did you stop being a Vegetarian? I'm a Pescatarian. 🙂

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

I cannot follow strict diets other than cooking my own food at home 95% of the time. If I go carnivore, I'll want some broccolis, edamame and carrots. If I go plant based, I will mis my salmon and chicken. Also, I'd like to know how people on plant based diets get their vitamin B12 intake.

[@asherasator]

Beer! B12 is overrated and only need for higher amounts of methionine and homocysteine metabolism, which both are carcinogenic and very toxic in high amounts. Methionine is angiogenic creates blood vessels to tumors and other toxic complications. A vegetarian diet with cheese, eggs and/or seafood gets plenty of B vitamins, and many modern foods are fortified.

[@p8ntblr1]

Can you please link the meta analysis you mentioned that concludes fiber lowers all cause mortality. Thanks

[@swisscarnivore]

Another random useless epidemiology study twisted by healthy user bias. Nothing to see here...

[@donewittit6607]

@@swisscarnivore yeah just like that questionnaire the carnivores were going around touting from Harvard claiming it proves the carnivore diet is good, it's funny epidemiology is okay like the Epic Oxford study that said vegans were at a higher risk for fractures hip fractures and other types of fractures this is a study carnivores were using

[@billytcat]

With all you say about how we're in a fiber crisis, I was not surprised to hear your answer.

[@reallymakesyouthink]

I consume a well balanced diet made up mainly of cereal and coffee.

[@ReflexionesparaelDiariovivir]

Well balance!? 😂

[@Unique_Monk]

Where do you get your protein from on a plant based diet, and your nutrients given science shows that day eating corn won’t release the vitamins they say are contained in the corn

[@739jep]

There’s plenty of protein sources on a plant based diet. Takes two seconds to google it yourself. And no, science doesn’t show us anything of that nature.

[@SMF89]

The insert on the importance of fiber was well said sir. When people eat fiber they don't understand that it is best to consume their vegetables blended. It prevents the bloating and an uncomfortable feeling. I would enjoy hearing you touch on the importance of the plant diet at the gut microbiome. Especially, with current research reflecting their symbiotic relationship.

[@stellasternchen]

Hm, bloating happens also if you go from low fiber to high fiber. So it is also worth a try to do it gradually, so the microbiome can adapt to the new diet.

[@psychoelectric]

Yeah like we've been doing for thousands of years

[@RedScareClair]

I used to watch your content from several years ago and I remember you always talking about the importance i fiber. Also as a science guy, there was no way you were ever going to say carnivore. I honestly can't believe people take the carnivore diet seriously.

[@conworldus8310]

I must disagree with his take on fiber. Fiber helps but it is absolutely not essential.

[@jofortin22]

I am a 135lbs vegetarian and I find it honestly VERY EASY to eat enough proteins. In fact, I have to focus on not exceeding 150 grams of proteins daily to make more place for carbs.

[@tsebosei1285]

I started introducing carbs and yho I am feeling great I am more firmer now and hey I am starting to see six packs so grateful. My shape has drastically improved

[@1man1year150]

once you have done plant based for a bit, it's mindlessly easy to get protein. I hit all AA's daily and get over 200g. I've put on muscle almost entirely plant based also and im in my 40s. More Fiber means more full and better poops lol. It's hard to argue against plant based as more and more research comes out.

[@AustrianEconomist]

Yeah the biggest argument though is that it tastes like absolute shit and eating a grass-only diet would make me want to throw myself off a cliff in 5 days lol. Look man, there are certain benefits to a plant-based diet. But food is one of the biggest pleasures in life, and most humans (if being honest) will tell you that there are few things more delicious than a well-prepared steak or some fresh sushi. Asking people to give up on one of their major sources of happiness does not seem like a wise plan IMHO. I'd rather live till 70 with my current omnivorous diet than gamble on gaining 5 more years by having to give up one of my favorite things in life. So no, it's really not that hard to argue against plant based lol. Not everyone is a robot that sees food as a mere source of energy and nutrients. Food is a social activity and a major source of pleasure. Disrupt that and you'll find yourself a lot more miserable, even if you don't want to admit it's due to your diet.

[@69camaro19]

My experience too.

[@animatedmvs8818]

@@AustrianEconomist Well written. Balanced diet all the way. Fk fad and unnecessarily restrictive diets

[@Akihito007]

EXCEPT your "protein" is not nearly as nutrient dense as a carnivore/ketovore diet. You can't get heme iron from a plant based diet and you can't get as much cholesterol as your body needs compared to eating saturated fat, which your brain ALSO needs to run well. Most of the nutrients in plants are locked in and CAN'T BE DIGESTED, unlike meat. You ALSO don't need fiber for your digestive system nor do you need to poop nearly as much as almost ALL of the food you eat is digested when eating carnivore. Plus you have FAR LESS inflammation from the poisons and toxins that plants naturally produce in order to protect themselves since they also don't like to be eaten. The ACTUAL research not bought by Kellogg's and Pepsi Co clearly show that saturated fat is GOOD and needed as the primary fuel source for humans and that we absolutely DO NOT NEED carbs as fuel, let alone it be our PRIMARY fuel source. That's why everyone is so fat and diabetic today with their HbA1c so dang high!

[@1man1year150]

@@Akihito007 here come the keto zealots.... Literally look at WebMD, your body runs on carbs. I didn't say eat sugar. Yes you can get iron from plants, that's just a lie..... literally what? Your body produces as much cholesterol as it "needs". Not a lot of your comment makes much sense nor is it right.

[@Rickalicious]

Rare to get such honest, well backed info. Also re. Plant protein, if you eat legumes (beans, lentils, peas etc), dark leafy greens, nuts and seeds, you really can get adequate protein, considering their low calorie content. Add 1 scoop of protein, and you're A for away!

[@geno5169]

We’ll I did keto for years. Years ago! It had me afraid of carbs! I eat eggs everyday for years! Pizza! I have clogged arteries! Had 2 A/fib! I switched over to plant based! So much healthier then any! Specifically keto! I did buy organic plant based protein powder! I’m enjoying oatmeal again! Great topic! I’m still at with my journey on plant based! Besides salad

[@thelastroar]

Oatmeal is the fucking best thing in the world!!!!

[@sarabennett6295]

Keto gave me constipation! Fiber is super important!

[@arth8265]

I'd choose plant based too. I'd miss mainly fishes and seafoods.

[@K0YOT3]

There is also the pescatarian diet

[@damien2198]

I prefer zero fibers (I love no constipation & no bloating). meta analysis evidences for fiber is too weak to use it as factor.

[@Crixx909]

+++

[@redragna3648]

"Meta analysis evidences for fiber is too weak to use it as factor." - Talk about the equivalent of closing your eys and putting your head over your ears and going lalalala.

[@G-G-G-YES]

@@redragna3648 Fiber is the "next new thing" in nutrition right now. People talk about it being good for you but you can't really feel the benefits. I do low carb in cycles, which automatically comes with low fiber. Digestion? Normal, if not better. Mood (some people talk about gut microbiome)? Excellent. Energy? Never been better. Then I eat high fiber foods (like legumes, whole grains) off cycle and I get stomach pain. Feels real "healthy" and "normal".

[@G-G-G-YES]

@@redragna3648 I believe fiber is more important depending on other foods you eat, especially carbs. It's benefits are almost perfectly in sync with what you would expect from something that controls blood sugar (which carbs raise). On low carb, you do not need as much fiber at all.

[@vashlash6870]

​@@G-G-G-YES yeah cool story but there are multiple randomized control trials putting a whole plant based diet vs a keto diet. It's not looking good for your team lol. If you guys were so concerned about being in a state of ketosis, you would encourage whole plant based people to do a plant based ketogenic diet. Man I'm so tired of arguing about Macros, which is completely pointless.

[@michaelevans3942]

No doubt the person asking the question understood, as everyone does, that there are other choices besides 100% carnivore vs 100% plant based, it is simply a hypothetical question therefore it is not a false dichotomy.

[@suefitness5613]

I’ve actually watched you enough to actually know you’d pick plant based diet lol interesting to hear the reasons again nonetheless

[@jasonwheat5242]

I'd like see a conversation between you and Dr. shawn Baker!

[@MrCalyho]

What really got me on the fiber discussions was that guy with the ostomy bag. If he eats pure meat only liquid makes it into the bag. So why would you need fibre? Why couldn't they check this before coming up with the all the fibre recommendations? Have they even bothered to check this at all?

[@aaronkiviranta]

Hmmm 🤔 so you would recommend a plant based diet on a population level but must include supplements X & Y to get your complete proteins? What about people that just eat vegetables and people that only eat meat and don’t consume supplements?

[@No-limits-]

💯

[@colefiegel5847]

I think the idea is that a plant based diet has significantly less nutrient deficiencies (aka less supplementation) than a carnivore diet. He said in the beginning that he wouldn't choose either.

[@Crixx909]

+++ I've been searching for that comment

[@thedoc5848]

@@colefiegel5847 what essential nutrients are missing from the carnivore diet?

[@emris12]

@@colefiegel5847 nonsense. there are more nutrient deficiencies in a plant based diet. prove me wrong you liar.

[@socalfriend6985]

Carnivore diet, or the elimination diet helped me so much. I have reduced inflammation, my skin is better, my gut is better and the extra weight is coming off quickly. I feel so much better. Plants do very little for me.

[@Slappy17206]

Say what!? This surprised the heck out of me! Did flexible dieting for years after hearing you, and did really well, made it so easy to live life and meet goals. Transitioned to carnivore this year not that I had any medical issues or take meds, but its easier for me to eat this way and have two meals a day. I don't care for many veggies/plants, fruits, yes, just havent had any thus far to see how this actually goes to stay consistent. But bacon and eggs every morning has never gotten old, and a steak with butter or some ground beef with butter and sour cream always hits the spot. Bowel movements are just fine. End of the day were all different in some ways some things may be better for others, do what works.

[@Seanonyoutube]

I’m pretty sure your diet is not going to be great for your arteries long term. Remember that for most, the first sign of heart disease is a heart attack. Unless you do some advanced testing, you likely won’t know if you have arterial issues.

[@loganwolv3393]

Yeah, i mean perhaps some people are very sensetive to lectins and phytoestrogens and certain plant chemicals, that should explain why some people feel great on carnivore diet.

[@Seanonyoutube]

@@mr.wicked8697 yeah, because the dead ones can’t tell stories. Most people feel great up until they have a heart attack. How many 80 year old carnivores do you know who have eaten that way for 15+ years? Even the meat hunting tribes in Africa eat a ton of plants in reality (most hunts are unsuccessful). Arteries get damaged slowly, not overnight. Saying you feel good really doesn’t tell you much about your heart disease risk. Only wrinkle is that if eating meat allows you to stay leaner and more active, then you are probably ameliorating the risk to some degree. But the data shows that all else being equal (body weight, smoking, genetics, etc) a whole plants rich diet does tend to decrease heart disease risk. Do we know everything? Nah. But the data does repeatedly and consistently point to that direction.

[@kbkesq]

One question that comes up based on the Dr. Greger videos, are aminos like methionine actually harmful? Are BCAAs harmful in terms of insulin resistance, cancer or other diseases?

[@knockingseeker]

Can confirm, was able to progressive overload at about the same rate on a plant based diet but on carnivore a few years back could hardly get through a workout. And feel loads better plant based vs carnivore.

[@cringeproof100]

Were you tracking your calories and macros? And how long were you on carnivore? If you weren’t eating enough fat or calories, or didn’t get fat adapted, that would explain it.

[@knockingseeker]

@@cringeproof100 On plant based roughly tracked calories to 3-4000, lots of good carbs from whole foods like fruit, quinoa, chick peas, lentils. Protein 125-175. Fats at around 50-70 but whole foods like activated nuts seeds and avocado. Was On carnivore only a week but fat adapted was not the issue. Have done 40-50 day water fast and lots of smaller ones and got “fat adapted” the issue was that after eating fatty meat or lots of fat in general I feel terrible and lose energy. I feel better fasting and working out rather than eating carnivore style meals so it’s not carb withdrawal. Saturated fat also flares up a lot of inflammation in my body and jacks up my ldl which is definitely an issue despite these nonsense claims that only small ldl blocks arteries, that’s been proven wrong.

[@unknownunknown-hj6bf]

But plant based means no protein powder it’s whole foods

[@ThomasAT86]

Would be super interesting to see a study with a bunch of carnivore and plants only folks in terms of gut, microbiome and other health parameters. Love that you point out individual stuff compared to recommendations/study findings on a population level or on average. I think that's important. Love and strength, Thomas

[@lightzpy8049]

Vegans will have a better nutritional profile as long as they are not eating a lot of carbs and sugar. Although they will have much worse protein synthesis, they will need supplementation in some areas although not as much as carnivores and will have fibre. Saturated fat will be lower and calorie per volume of food will be higher. Additional vegans have to boil or steam all their vegetables most of the time to get the best result for inflammation, or germify their nuts, ferment their carbs and grains or seeds. I love carnivore and did it for a while but I can’t lie that my cholesterol was at higher risk and by fibre intake was horrible, dairy became more inflammation as you eat more of it to compensate and acne gets worse. Honestly eat health carnivorous vegetables, berries, seeds and nuts with some grains, additional for protein eat health fish and meat, reduce saturated fat increase your hdl while reducing your ldl.

[@jacksparrowx1196]

I get 70-100gr of fibre most days. Am I immortal?

[@hata6290]

Holy fuck that’s awesome

[@joejoe850]

That's amazing. I get about 45g of fibre daily on 3k calories. You must be eating a lot

[@jacksparrowx1196]

@@joejoe850 not really just whole foods. Broccoli. Beans. Loads berries. Etc.

[@Normie_Normalson]

must be a regular mucus-dripping, fart factory.

[@thedoc5848]

Not immortal, you'd win any farting contest though

[@sarabennett6295]

I am not rich enough to be doing carnivore everyday. And I need my fiber

[@bigz5262]

You actually don’t need fiber and you can do carnivore for around $12 a day. But eat whatever makes you feel your best!

[@bill_monty]

I actually would've been surprised if you said carnivore honestly given that if you have a flexible (and thus more well-rounded) approach, plant-based is obviously much more conducive to that than carnivore is. I love having freedom in both what and when I eat so y'all have fun with the restrictive diets ✌🏽

[@awemanyfit]

I'll also chose plant based. So many plant foods but no so much animal foods. Just that without supplementing😤 vitamin B,calcium,Iron e.t.c

[@hata6290]

You don’t need to supplement anything but b12 and maybe omega3

[@janboreczek3045]

@@hata6290 And vit. D if you live outside of the tropical zone, but that's a concern for everybody, not only vegans

[@BobFosterMedia]

The most restrictive diet that has worked for me is meat (fish, beef, eggs, chicken) and fruit (mostly berries and other higher fiber lower calorie and easy to chew/digest). I have reactions to some veggies, and grains and veggies cause the most bloating and skin irritation. Protein + fiber = high energy and very difficult to overeat. Plus easy and clean BMs.

[@mayen67]

are the fibre studies causation or correlation? because it could just be the people who eat more fibre are more likely to exercise regularly.

[@MichaelHplus]

The link between health and fiber has been well established in so many ways, and yes, of course human outcome studies will correct for potential confounding variables. Unless you have a specific disorder, of course you should be eating fiber. It’s critical for good health, and all healthy societies eat plenty of fiber.

[@samalamad774]

Dear Dr Norton, Can you please talk about the benefits of eating organ meat? Would it be sufficient to get fibre from fruits/oats? I really don't like green vegetables and I believe organ meats offer loads of nutrition that greens can't and at a higher bio-availability. Your thoughts please

[@Crixx909]

people r so stupid.. Why make things more complicated.. Just google the nutrition facts of any animal food sources and compare to veggies.. this is just ridiculous, most plants are toxic, bioavailability of nutrients is phucking poor! And all dat plant "milk" stuff enriched with toxic seed oils..(sighs) it can't be as nutrient dense as raw dairy...

[@samalamad774]

​@@Crixx909 You need to calm down and stop hurling insults. If nutrition science is as easy as google search, there will be no need for scientists and research. It is more complicated than just simply reading nutrition facts. Fibre is very important for the function of guts, and it only can come from plants.

[@Crixx909]

@@samalamad774 ok, but why so much people feel way better without fiber? me included (no constipation when I cut all fiber) even after eating 2pounds of meat my stomach is flat, but if I add plants to my diet I look like a balloon and feel tired... I don't want to supplement with tons of pills to help me digest food lol so I think everyone should listen to their body, and if they feel like shit..that means they should change something

[@samalamad774]

@@Crixx909 "Feel better" and anecdotal evidence doesn't fare well in the science. Sure if someone can't digest fibre, they will feel better without it. This doesn't mean that their problem is solved and their bodies are better without it. The root cause of the problem need to be addressed. A lot of people feel great after eating chocolate and junk food. It doesn't mean it is good for them. Dr. Layne here stressed on the importance of fibre siting studies and meta analysis. I'm convinced of its importance, but would it be okay to use fibre from fruits and oats instead of veggies. That was my question to someone who is much more knowledgeable on the topic than me.

[@arvidlystnur4827]

I'm an omnivore who eats all kinds of fruit, vegetables, whole grains and mostly fish and whey for protein, after each meal I have a fiber chaser, a Shaker with water, wheat bran, oat bran and sugar free psyllium powder. Carful though, introducing fiber into the diet must be gradual at first.

[@adim00lah]

As someone who has been vegetarian for almost 20 years, I can say with a clear conscience you do NOT need to eat this way to be healthy. I mainly eat this way for ethical reasons. I personally believe that eating wild fish is one of the best proteins out there for humans, even though I don't eat fish. Your beliefs shouldn't get in the way of objective truth.

[@maxlarocquefit]

Hey layne, do you have a link for the studies broken down in this video?

[@RSYLIGHT]

Which one is better for surviving a severe COVID attack and cytokine storm?

[@DeePBurnouT]

Supplementing on B12, heme iron, vitamin D, creatine, carnosine, vitamin D3, taurine oh and DHA! Either diet is extreme but one gets you closer malnourishment...

[@Normie_Normalson]

on a planet of heroin addicts, not injecting needles daily would be considered 'extreme'. it's a meaningless term.

[@ChillFantasticFive]

B12 is needed only on plant based. D3 needed for everyone. Rest arent necessary

[@KonnaIRL]

@@ChillFantasticFive Most People would benefit from B12 supplements not just plant based eaters

[@kevinshaw8655]

@@ChillFantasticFive whether taurine and DHA are essential in your diet or not has nothing to do with how much better you perform, for your brain as well as heart.

[@imacarguy4065]

You can get B12 through nutritional yeast. Creatine is a supp. D3 is a supp too. Taurine? Red bull.

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

I have felt great and crappy on any diet, so I choose my diet meanly based on my values. For me personally the carnivore diet would be the cruel choice seeing I do not need that amount of animal products (non at all it turns out) to be healthy.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

This is the best way to decide a diet. If you eat a diet and you feel like garbage, can't sleep, make frequent trips the bathroom, have poor energy levels, etc., that isn't a healthy diet for you. Eat what makes you feel good when you eat it. What diet prevents you from over eating? What one makes you sleep well? What diet doesn't give you gastrointestinal issues?

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

I agree that the personal effects of a diet are the most important, though they can be very subjective. I would only add that how you feel about the environmental and ethical impact of a diet is just as (or more) important as a subjective effect of a diet. In my personal case: I can prosper on any diet so this factor is most decisive.

[@pAceMakerTM]

I’ll go with eating what I want when I want. Life is short and at the end we all die. Meat is delicious!!!

[@davidjd123]

thank god we dont have to choose.....Yet

[@josephascencio-parvy7805]

It seems obvious to go with the overall healthiest, most compassionate and environmentally friendly diet no…?

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Yup. Carnivore, baby!

[@AberrantArt]

I wonder if anyone know how many rodents, birds, bugs etc get killed in plant farming.

[@qwertyuiopasdfgh9328]

i feel ya, but what’s obvious to some isn’t to others haha

[@rebella5769]

NO

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

​@@AberrantArt that and gas for transportation. Though, honestly would like more local fruits and veggies around me.

[@philmstud2k]

I don't see how eating all the meat you would normally eat for a carnivore diet and then adding balanced whole fruits, vegetables, dairy, nuts, and grains could possibly be worse for you.

[@tonywong8134]

I'm sure you can do well on both, but I read a few studies where it is protein consumption (not necessarily calorie consumption) is associated with increased mortality. The more animal protein you eat the shorter your life span. This isn't to say animal protein is bad. I eat a lot of meat. But the studies said lysine and methionine and some other amino acids that I forgot that were most closely associated with higher risk or mortality. I think it's similar to a lithium battery...if you use the battery more and more with a lot of discharge and recharge cycles it shortens the battery life. I think that is probably similar to how our body works.

[@hata6290]

Yes, animal protein is less healthy than plant protein :(

[@tonywong8134]

@@hata6290 I don't think it's less healthy per se...it does help the most when you eat a low protein diet. But the study I read did mention methionine, which animal protein is the highest source of, increased mortality risk if consumed in high amounts. It's probably why so many body builders die of heart attacks.

[@Garrlick417Slacker]

@@hata6290 how?

[@sheadoherty7434]

@@tonywong8134 the reason bodybuilders die of heart attacks is due to excessive PED use

[@thedoc5848]

@@tonywong8134 association can not establish causation.

[@karlamarx5954]

Which diet is best??? THE ONE THAT WORKS BEST FOR YOUR BODY, HEALTH , BUDGET AND LIFESTYLE. so simple ugh

[@RaiderDave42069]

it would be Plant based for me too, a strict Carnivore diet sounds dreadful and my gut hurts just thinking about it

[@KobyMathews]

My gut hurts thinking about only eating fiber lol

[@RaiderDave42069]

@@KobyMathews when I tried a super high protein diet with low fiber, taking a shit became so painful, lol I never want to feel that again

[@nicereviews5151]

Plant based will have you farting and in the bathroom a lot and if you travel for work this may not be ordeal

[@Golfr2020]

When I look around me as I am out and about, it is not difficult to spot people who are on unhealthy diets. I see middle to later aged people, many out of shape, walking difficulties e.t.c and you know that most of them could be in a much healthier situation if they only chose to eat sensibly such as a WPB diet.

[@MrRJPE]

I'm on a full carnivore diet and have reduced body fat, reduced inflammation, and reduced depression. A WPB diet doesn't sound anywhere near sensible to me. I'm in my 40s and feel better than I did in my 20s by cutting out all plants.

[@cringeproof100]

How is it sensible to avoid the most nutritious foods and instead eat plants which are inconvenient and make you bloated and tired?

[@TheStruggler101]

​@@cringeproof100 Thats the thing, if you feel bloated and tired after eating fibrous foods then the issue is with you. The majority of people don't have that reaction. Could be a digestive issue, or a mental health problem, the two are highly correlated if you look at the research. There could be multiple reasons.

[@spicybbqtasty3960]

worrying about protein is dumb, it converts to glucose. carbs are cheaper....