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[@1wakil540]

Marz : both players have deficiencies Pen: OMG WHY ARE WE PICKING ON JOKIC

[@Implementingdynamics]

😂😂😂😂

[@TheSage1123]

Every single Jokic fan like this

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

I find it fuckin hilarious how offended Jokic fans get when you try to compare Giannis to joker. The funniest shit 😂

[@MarzTalksSports]

this show wasnt even meant to be comparing them to eachother idk how we got there.

[@wolfof]

Jokic is objectively more skilled at the game of basketball than Giannis

[@excal1414]

@@wolfofGiannis clears

[@MikeLowrry]

@@wolfofyea but that doesn’t mean he’s better

[@kellywalter7488]

Hes way better than jokic wym

[@MarzTalksSports]

This was meant to be showing love to both giannis and jokic and it turnt in to whatever it turnt into.

[@drmagg666]

There were 15 minutes in the middle when peace was made but then @BIGOXMedia ruined it... purposefully. But that was clean hate ngl can't be mad about it

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@drmagg666W clean hate

[@damyataylor5544]

Gianni's is way better than joker stop overrating joker

[@Fab_rice95]

You & John D have tried, but i think once Pen mentioned Giannis FT % and Ron responded, it went left

[@DJ_Cash]

@marztalkssports random question but which defender of the past does Ryan Dunn remind you of ?

[@louissylvester]

Pen misses Marz's points like it's his full time job. We gotta understand people's points fully before just talking.

[@smgyro1476]

That Giannis spacing element Pen brought up was fking horrible lol! Giannis is guarded like he's a three point shooter because helping off of him is basically like handing him a free driving and cutting lane to the rim. If you help off of him, he'll 45 or baseline cut you to death and attack off the catch and score two points automatically, not to mention his athleticism making him a lob threat. I know because I've seen it this year. He's extremely consistent at punishing people for helping off of him. Giannis does generate cutting and driving lanes for his teammates because of him ability to get to the rim, especially for teammates on the weak side of the floor. Pen was trying to bring the offense/defense being connected point, and trying to question if Marz knows ball off of it, but then pretends on purpose to act like Giannis isn't a floor spacer because he doesn't shoot threes well. Lol

[@paniqdoe]

Pen acting like he cant give Giannis anything over Jok is sick idk why he can’t just give him his props where he deserve it.

[@Matthew-xl5bc]

W episode but I kind of thought this episode was going to be a more positive about both players. It’s weird to me that Jokic and Giannis are having historic peaks but the media doesn’t really treat as they are historic player. People still to busy talking about LeBron and Curry, into talking about the talent in the league today.

[@InnGee]

its cause curry and lebrons star power severely outshines any other player in the leagues star power (besides maybe kd)

[@MarzTalksSports]

that was the intention it just went left

[@tayluc777]

Giannis vs Jokic debates will feed generations, just wait until Luka and Embiid start having success ( 🏆) 😂

[@MarzTalksSports]

embiid wont let me down

[@WadleyMarcelin]

Embiid will be retiring in the next 3 years he's always injured

[@factsonly6903]

Gotta be trolling mentioning Embid lol

[@tayluc777]

@@factsonly6903I am but if he translates he will jump legacy spots because he’s actually generational just can’t hold up

[@Alamoe1]

Embiid won't be in that conversation.

[@trevon444]

Honestly as a basketball head I like when the nba ratings are down. Cheaper tickets and jersey sales, and the ppl who watch will tend to be more committed fans. W for me

[@SamGibson-bn1jh]

Another jokic yap session

[@Fab_rice95]

Pen on one hand, you want people to contextualize when pointing out Jokic's flaws (which is fair btw), but you've not done it once in this stream for Giannis. You seem to have small digs for him like "he is in the east", "it's harder to build around him", "terrible shooter", etc... Marz & John D think Jokic is the better player, but they presented both players' qualities and deficiencies without glazing or bashing one of them. When talking about Jokic, you are slowly becoming the quiet version of Swipa.

[@pensarebasketball]

Nah, I just think the gap between them is larger than those 2 (probably) do, and while I can easily point to Jokic's rim defense and switchability as clear issues, I can point to 20 things with Giannis as well. The issue I have is we present both as having equal weaknesses and that's simply NOT the case. Jokić is a better defender than Curry. He does as much defensively as Magic. Those two are top 10 all time for most and yet I'd argue Jokić is better offensively than both. Why does defense become 50% of the equation when we do Jokić vs. Giannis but it's NOT 50% of the equation when we do CP3 vs. Curry? That's the gap in the argument and it's stupid to me. If offense is indeed 70% of the game, Jokić clears. If it's 50% Giannis clears. But if it's 50% then Kawhi clears Kobe and Curry so keep it consistent.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@pensarebasketballnoone has pretended offense and defense are equal in fact we had a whole segment discussing exactly that yesterday. maybe youd enjoy it idk

[@pensarebasketball]

​@MarzTalksSportsI watched it friend. The gap between these two is exactly on offense and defense. No one thinks Jokic is the better defender. So we agree there's the gap there. But some of us are massively disagreeing on the offensive gap between these two. The entire equation then comes down to 3 variables. 1. What is the offensive gap? 2. What's the defensive gap? 3. What is offense worth vs. defense Hypothetical: Jokić 10 offense, Giannis 8 offense.. gap 2. Jokić 5 defense, Giannis 9 defense, gap 4. If offense is 75%, defense 25% they're basically equal. But then some of us can't even agree Jokić is better offensively. Some of us on the other hand think there's a seismic gap offensively. Which then comes down to the bigger philosophical question of what makes a player great offensively? It's not the checklist argument. It's not the volume argument. It's not the efficiency argument. It's not the consistency argument or the clutch argument. It's all those arguments. That's why we have such a hard time comparing these 2 players. We can barely even agree on what we're even measuring.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@pensarebasketballvery nuanced

[@pensarebasketball]

Marz cooking water saying Jordan didnt CLEAR Robinson in terms of aggregate value in the 90s. He said Jordan lost the VORP argument but this really is a dumb argument since Marz knows damn well 1) VORP is a derivative of BPM 2) It's greatly influenced by total minutes played 3) Aggregate value when speaking on superstars INCLUDES playoffs. Jordan VORP in the playoffs from 1989-1990 through 1998-1999 = 19.2 David Robinson VORP in the playoffs from 1989-1990 through 1998-1999 = 6.6 Regular season VORP through the 90s Robinson: 67.5 Jordan: 67.3 Combined playoffs PLUS regular season VORP: Jordan - 86.5 (in 7 seasons) Robinson - 74.1 (in 10 seasons) That's not the only reason Jordan clears. But since you wanna talk aggregate value, you might as well talk facts

[@MarzTalksSports]

my point was the aggregate value stuff was stupid within the context of the conversation everyone was having lmao. the david robinson>mj stuff is trolling the stupid point. Jesus christ

[@drmagg666]

Brother, let it go... you werent arguing the same thing. That's why he lashed out at you.

[@pensarebasketball]

​@MarzTalksSportsyou said Robinson cleared Jordan on VORP as a response to me saying Duncan's aggregate value was more than Shaqs through the decade we're speaking on. Context matters here. I had a valid point. And I will make the Duncan vs Shaq point in another comment.

[@hjalmarskytnielsen9383]

Just so everyone knows in the 90s playoffs plus regular season Jordan Played 37 fewer games than David Robinson. (89/90-1998/99) David Robinson played 764 total games that span And Vorp is an accumulated value. And Robinson has the highest single season Vorp and BPM from the 90s

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@pensarebasketballthe point was stupid to the context of the conversation everyone knew was happening except u apparently

[@pensarebasketball]

Duncan vs. Shaq in the 2000s from 1999-2000 through 2008-2009 Duncan regular season VORP: 59.2 (+12.2 playoffs) Shaq regular season VORP: 42.2 (+10 playoffs) Duncan: 2 MVPs Shaq: 1 MVP Duncan: 10x ALL NBA Shaq: 8x ALL NBA Duncan: 10x All Defense Shaq: 3x All Defense Duncan: 3 championships Shaq: 4 championships Duncan: 10xAll Star Shaq: 9xAll Star Context of playoff performance, Duncan posted the 12.2 VORP to Shaq's 10.0 VORP in 134 games vs. Shaq's 137. Shaq even played more minutes. Duncan was CLEARLY better. If the argument is rings, Duncan never played with a single player in his life as good as peak Kobe OR peak Wade. Ever. He was definitely the best player on every championship team he was on, including the 2014 chip where the gap closed a bit for Tony/Manu but Duncan remained the best. Cut it out and respect Timmy D.

[@MarzTalksSports]

no way this is still going

[@pensarebasketball]

​@MarzTalksSportsoh it be going. Respect Tim Duncan.

[@tusharbisht6832]

@@pensarebasketballwe just gonna overlook kg having a vorp of 70.5 in that period with a vorp of 5.6 in only 61 games in the playoffs? Get these bums out of my face and respect the real goat of the 2000s

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@tusharbisht6832mmmmmm

[@pensarebasketball]

​@@tusharbisht6832playoffs count. Say what you want about KGs roster, he has some bad playoff moments himself. But he's up there for sure. 04 KG is an all time peak season.

[@PBMFromThaJ]

Pen tends to argue with nobody but himself it’s sad

[@wolfof]

this panel is horrible for basketball

[@kiwavy]

k then don’t watch

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

To bob’s point about them in the playoffs, i would probably take Giannis because i think at his peak he had the better series. Like finals for finals i think Giannis’s was clearly better and then that 2022 series against the celtics i would say is right behind it for me.

[@MarzTalksSports]

2023 jokic vs phoenix?

[@drmagg666]

@MarzTalksSports if we going only by numbers i agree. but i think he was better in next two rounds considireng quality of defenses and amount of attention he got. vs Suns it seems like nobody hard focused on him. maybe it cause of ayton aloofness...

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@drmagg666i think he was better against phoenix than the lakers. but i can see miami>phoenix. I didnt even know jokic averaged a triple double until someone said it in the chat

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

@ i think thats comparable to the 22 series. You can say Jokic’s series was better for sure. I value 2022 because he was by himself, against a team that was built to stop him and he dominated and took it to 7. Even with that suns series for jokic i don’t think thats better than the 21 finals. Also think in 2021 vs the nets is very underrated for Giannis

[@drmagg666]

@MarzTalksSports Suns series is what happens when Jokic gets single coverage whole time and you got 1.5 quality frontcourt players. its why i think its disengenious to argue that you just let Jokic score and stop others and thats optimal.

[@ForeverVibez]

L PEN L QUANTUM PHYSICS

[@jahwehsbsideandrarities6162]

I really hope these guys see each other in the finals. And we can settle this.

[@MarzTalksSports]

what would milwaukee vs denver settle

[@Popskillz]

Chat i said about a month ago get familiar with the word PEDANTIC. I swear it's like Pen and Swipa have the same condition of tryna get a one up on Marz and wind up going for anything and sounding completely out this world. Pen please step outside your world view from time to time and also read the room

[@Senseicjj]

I thought pen was growing on me but nah I was wrong, forgot this is the same guy with that sabonis bullshit, kinda getting tired of his voice

[@InnGee]

Yo Marz, I’ve heard you talk about there being a difference between a level 9 and a level 10 rating, and reaching higher levels is very difficult, and therefore it shouldn’t be the same as the jump from a level five to level six, for example. But to the opposing defense, how much of that is impactful? Could one argue that you already can’t guard a level 9, so a level 10 could be overkill? Hypothetically, if a level 10 could bring their production down to a level 9 and transfer some of that effort to an increase of defense from, let’s say, 5 to 7, which would impact the opposing team more? The defensive jump or the offensive decline?

[@MarzTalksSports]

imo the offensive decline. but i think its an interesting topic

[@MrAcedelux]

Pen shaking his head thinking of arguing why Giannis is not a better scorer than prime PG is all you need to know, can't criticize Jokic' flaws god forbid but Giannis can't shoot free throws and threes he can't be better than Jokic, some BS

[@paniqdoe]

Shoutout Ron for being da only Giannis defender on da panel.

[@MarzTalksSports]

i like to think i defend giannis

[@desaunisimmons1397]

@MarzTalksSportsyou do but everybody else up there is crazy for thinkin jokic “clears” giannis

[@BIGOXMedia]

@@paniqdoe I guess I just don’t exist 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@BIGOXMedia u know u be hating. u just be hating on both

[@BIGOXMedia]

@MarzTalksSports I show Giannis so much love but i get called a hater for telling the truth

[@OEuKnowMe]

Yall let Ron move the goalpost like crazy He was arguing efficiency the whole time then said he wasn’t

[@rashonduswashington4025]

Can’t say Jokic got flaws still. It’s madness

[@PrinceDJj]

See, I told y'all Penn can say the most philosophical things, which is amazing, and you're like, "Wow, this guy is something else." But then Penn starts arguing the most useless points, which makes you wonder about his basketball knowledge. I'm with Marz; when we do decade conversations, I thought it was consensus that the 2000s belonged to Kobe/Shaq, but Penn started talking about aggregate points or whatever he said, and you think, "Penn, why are you like this?"

[@dyshaunheslop4474]

I don’t know if this makes sense but how i see if someone is reliable on defense is, if you can hypothetically make basketball sort of like football where you can switch defense and offense per possession. How often would that offensive player would get subbed out for that defensive presence matters. So if on offense if Giannis is on the court, and the bucks score, then it goes to a defensive possession, i don’t think Giannis would get off the court vs jokic would definitely be in the offensive possession but they would probably sub jokic on the defensive possession if they had a decent defending big which

[@itszaaaamzeh]

Remember, Peak Clyde still better than SGA

[@BIGOXMedia]

FACTS… this shouldn’t be a conversation

[@MarzTalksSports]

peak clyde>steph

[@TR-uo7qv]

@MarzTalksSportsstop that shit Marz!

[@lbp6233]

How

[@lbp6233]

Genuinely how

[@nykareem2001]

Floor raising and Ceiling raising is such a stupid basketball argument only 2nd to portability Also….MARZ DOESNT KNOW BALL

[@MarzTalksSports]

I appreciate ur dedication more than u can imagine

[@MOE__]

Marz is the Goat of debates respect my glorious king

[@rashonduswashington4025]

Can’t praise both players I see. An even bigger point tho is how swipa and pen will diminish these other players when it comes to Jokic and act like it’s not even a possibility for them to be close. They bring up advanced stats because they know it benefits him to make it not seem close.

[@rashonduswashington4025]

When Ron loves a player it’s hilarious lol. He be glazing crazy and sometimes don’t listen to the points and reacts to a small detail

[@jahwehsbsideandrarities6162]

And 1s are worth just as much as threes and Giannis is the best there is in that regard

[@MarzTalksSports]

u gotta actually convert the free throw for that to be true

[@BIGOXMedia]

@@jahwehsbsideandrarities6162 COOK

[@hjalmarskytnielsen9383]

2:03:00 Ron was making crazy straw man arguments there. No one said they didn’t like how it looked.

[@PrinceDJj]

But chill, you're arguing a moot point because Penn believes Jokic clears. Now, I believe Jokic is the best player, but the reason why I can't have the same conversation I have with the whole Patrick Mahomes thing is that I don't believe the gap between Jokic and Giannis is large, but that's just me.

[@desaunisimmons1397]

Exactly they act like it’s a gap when it’s not coming from a giannis fan I agree that jokic is the best in the world but he doesn’t “clear”!

[@hjalmarskytnielsen9383]

The best players of the 2000s is probably 00 Shaq and 09 Bron

[@kiwavy]

53:15 😹😹😹😹😹😹 Ron is the funniest bruh

[@zuridurham3727]

2000 Duncan or 2000 KG who y’all got?

[@drew6-gx1kl]

If you cant be a be a consistent go to guy down the stretch in close games and you have to defer to your second option or a top 75 player, dont even bother.

[@ayoomisope6563]

So who was the closer on the Nuggets when they won the championship?

[@EMCAndrew383]

Runing out of topics? seems like we do this jokic talk every other day lmao

[@NostradamussSchalke]

Big OX standing on business for GIANNIS? Holy fuck ox is the GOAT lmaoo

[@tyriswilliams7862]

28:40 if joker was a positive on defense im sorry but that’s the best player I ever seen play basketball. Ima jump off the highest cliff and say it’s not close 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@pensarebasketball]

Just wanna congratulate John D for crossing 1k subs over at @atthebuzzersports Huge milestone for any content creator as YT allows you to monetize once you hit this milestone. Go follow him over there and help him grow his platform. youtube.com/@atthebuzzersports?si=S3tlPTMJbcM8cOyU

[@drmagg666]

W positivity.

[@Atthebuzzersports]

Thank you so much pen, small shit like this always means a lot to me

[@pensarebasketball]

​@@Atthebuzzersportsmy pleasure man, keep doing your thing. Gonna be at 100k in no time.

[@MarzTalksSports]

Major W

[@phreshboyswag_]

glazing my boy john bc nonody else bar chill actually fw you

[@tyriswilliams7862]

Is it really that difficult to understand in a team sport a player can be better and lose?

[@theheart9681]

Didnt kno Pen was just an adamant Giannis hater lol, must be having a bad year so far

[@desaunisimmons1397]

Giannis is a better scorer than jokic lmao😂😂

[@rashonduswashington4025]

Haven’t watched the whole thing yet but john d back from load management

[@tayluc777]

Marz we talked about this in the live chat, but you aren’t about to change the standard of what it takes to be the best. Chips matter, only because of translation, not pure accolade, it’s a fine line. Realized Pen talks bullshit mostly unless it’s about a Raptor or a Canadian, or a European player.

[@Jefe-rv3kx]

Nah, because you disagree don't make something wrong. cant we have thoughtful and constructive talk. and pen has talked a lot of bad about raptors players and european, lol. stop with this nasty behaviour

[@tayluc777]

@@Jefe-rv3kxthe point of discussion is progression and a sense of objectivity though so not everyone can be right. That’s my point, he can only talk about topics he feels he is an expert in and even that leads to unnecessary discussion. He’s a grade A yapper.

[@MarzTalksSports]

im not changing the standard. im sharing MY opinion on it and challenging the standard with my opinion. i understand i wont change generations of conversation that doesnt mean i have to concede and partake in it. i will always say why i dont value accolades and i will NEVER say player A>B cos of accolades. I understand (kinda) why people do it tho

[@drmagg666]

But it does changing. We speak a lot differently about basketball legacies than we did 30-20 or even 10 years ago. Collectivelty i mean.

[@tayluc777]

@MarzTalksSportsit ain’t solely about the accolades more so how you GOT them, no? At least I see it like that, to acquire the awards your play has to separate you from the pack

[@Dennisscrotum]

Ron, Mars, Ox, Pen, Swipa, Chill need to go. I know thats pretty much all of them but they need to go

[@MarzTalksSports]

the John D show

[@BIGOXMedia]

I won’t fight this logic 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@pensarebasketball]

John D has a show. Go follow him. He's making dope content! youtube.com/@atthebuzzersports?si=S3tlPTMJbcM8cOyU

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@pensarebasketball W pen

[@Senseicjj]

Ox’s analysis of anything hoop but especially player evaluation is just terrible, waste of oxygen when he says anything

[@trytv7716]

Pen your confusing me what side are you on with Joker. One side your saying it’s different when your going against Hartenstein/Sabonis then going against David Robinson/Zo but then you said Joker would be top 2 in every era

[@pensarebasketball]

Jokić isn't great because he can score on the box. He's great because he processes the game like a PG at 6'11 and can basically outthink everyone. He has the Magic/Bird/Rondo/CP3 processing and that's valuable in all eras.

[@desaunisimmons1397]

Btw jokic has never and I mean never had a series as good as giannis finals…

[@RobartTheTerminator]

Chill and Marz are the 2 worst panelists and I have constructive reason as to why. They honestly need to be kicked off this show

[@StreetmoneyRae13]

Man stop 😂😂😂

[@RobartTheTerminator]

@@StreetmoneyRae13 Okay "StreetmoneyRae13". Go touch your money

[@MarzTalksSports]

Ur probably right,unfortunately for u i dont think itll happen

[@drmagg666]

Its matter of taste. Marz is good for prolonged back and forth. Chill is oldhead who is willing to listen and share. You cant be right or wrong preferring whoever. Its only your opinion.

[@bigmo3692]

@@RobartTheTerminator we cancelling Marz now? About time

[@jasonboyd4823]

The bias and glaze sometimes on this show is crazy especially from ron

[@T2CTalkZ]

I wish my dawg Zion could stay healthy.. because if he does he’s the best player n possibly that face of the NBA that everyone is looking for

[@pensarebasketball]

He's really not but he'd be top 15.

[@marcusfrm6263]

He wouldn’t be close to bein the best player. We saw the ngga healthy last year and he wasn’t shi

[@lughano5253]

is pen just here to ruin the good convos

[@pensarebasketball]

It's in my contract.

[@lughano5253]

@@pensarebasketball let the convo develop organically and wen its dying down, pose your "bait" question as a final alternative/ending to the convo, cuz its just leading to trollin and disconnect tbh, but good work.

[@bigmo3692]

Idk which Yap session was worse Pens or Rons

[@DrMDterrifier]

Marz

[@ninoboom2453]

Ron was cooking today lol

[@bigmo3692]

@@ninoboom2453 only thing Ron was cooking was his microphone

[@drmagg666]

It's always ron...... he is THE reason Marz arm is sore.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@DrMDterrifiermmmmmmm

[@Senseicjj]

If you think Giannas is a better scorer than Jokic you are a casual fr

[@MrAcedelux]

Giannis is a better scorer than Jokic, idc how many ways Jokic can score, give me Giannis every single time

[@Senseicjj]

@ awesome

[@MarzTalksSports]

aggregate value david robinson>mj in the 90s yessir!!

[@pensarebasketball]

So glad you posted this to get COOOKEDDDDDD in the comments. Jordan VORP in the playoffs from 1989-1990 through 1998-1999 19.2 David Robinson VORP in the playoffs from 1989-1990 through 1998-1999 6.6 Regular season VORP through the 90s Robinson: 67.5 Jordan: 67.3 Combined playoffs PLUS regular season VORP: Jordan - 86.5 (in 7 seasons) Robinson - 74.1 (in 10 seasons) That's not the only reason Jordan clears. But since you wanna talk aggregate value, you might as well talk facts

[@drmagg666]

Pen all you had to say was that 10 years of great Duncan is better than 6 years of great Shaq. and 7.5 years of Jordan is better than everyone else and less of gap than Shaq. And that you werent talking about peaks or who was the better FROM THE START. I disagree with Marz lashing out but he was right to emotionally because you arent listening to what he is saying.

[@pensarebasketball]

​​@@drmagg666but I don't think Duncan was GREAT for 10 years. I think his 10 years in the 2000s were GREATER than Shaq's 10 years in the 2000s. That's all. So I said aggregate value. That includes health, that includes peak, decline, playoffs, regular season, consistency Shaq, KG, and LeBron all peaked higher in the 2000s than Duncan. So did Wade. But when you say who was better for a decade, you can't cherry pick 6 years.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@pensarebasketballplayoffs..... we dont care ab that 🥱🥱🥱

[@drmagg666]

@@pensarebasketball i agreeing with you. i said 6 years of great of shaq because for the next 4 he was whatever. the initial argument was about eras i thought that was what you arguing not who peaked higher in decade.

[@justinjohnson861]

Jokic deficiencies are right in your face you don’t even need to look for them lmao. He’s starting to become overrated to me all time idk, still by far bitw tho

[@stablsed309]

I know the brothas on the panel can't say it because they don't want the show to head that direction, which I respect, but Penn capes for Jokic so hard because he sees himself in Jokic. Jokic has become a PASSABLE playoff defender in recent years. He's an abysmal rim protector. Why to try find nuance in a poor defender? Why say Jokic "clears" Giannis as a playoff rebounder when he only averages .1 more? The answer is obvious and has nothing to do with basketball.

[@farhansarkar2394]

He was too biased for the convo but he was also joking about the rebounds

[@pensarebasketball]

Jokić literally comes from my country. I was born in Yugoslavia. So hell yes. But I don't just cap for players from Serbia. I've never been a loud advocate for Jovic or Bogdanovic at all. I do love Topic tho.

[@stablsed309]

@@pensarebasketball Jovic and Bogdanovic aren't on a level where they would merit any type of caping, so that's a null point. Again, as I've stated elsewhere, you constantly bring up "court processing" as a way to denigrate black players, imo. This is a racial trope as old as time. It's just my opinion but I've seen this rhetoric from you on a consistent basis and since the brothas on the show can't call it out because they don't want the show to head in that kind of direction, I am. Just my opinion man.

[@stablsed309]

@@farhansarkar2394 Perhaps I missed the wry humor on that one. That's possible.

[@MarzTalksSports]

ur saying hes racist?

[@1wakil540]

Pen is becoming unbearable

[@pensarebasketball]

Becoming implies I was ever bearable. I was BORN unbearable

[@Senseicjj]

Ron is putting on an all time stinker just doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about. Listening to this shit is stupid bro

[@MajorInternet]

41:47 cooooooooook!!!!

[@MOE__]

W Show

[@VanessaStewart-s6c]

L Cringe MOE

[@MOE__]

@@VanessaStewart-s6c how am I cringe?

[@MOE__]

No need to debate Jokic > Giannis respectfully

[@aboudramanediomande1075]

The gap is closer that people think Even as a bucks fan I still have jokic at number One but the gap ain’t that huge no more

[@MarzTalksSports]

i got jokic too but both doin atg things and i think should be recognised as such

[@MOE__]

@MarzTalksSports that’s fair

[@malikwilson7387]

​@@MOE__Giann is better because he plays both size of the Ball

[@ninoboom2453]

Giannis better

[@Senseicjj]

I wonder if Ron gets a bonus for interrupting with shitty jokes. He has to.

[@BeanHoopz]

knew pen was gonna be on bs this episode when he said within the first 8 minutes that peja stojakovic was considered top 10

[@OEuKnowMe]

Yall let Ron move the goalpost like crazy He was arguing efficiency the whole time then said he wasn’t